>>106433647
This robot cannot do very complex tasks. The human form is actually pretty well designed for moving around and manipulating arbitrary environments.

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>>106433746
i posted the wrong webm

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>>106433647
Normies don't think about robots to begin with.
What you are referring to must be the retarded advertisement that /g/'s resident chinkshills like to reheat every week.

>>106433647
Only coomers who think they will have a Robowaifu kek.

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give that teslabot tits and i'd fuck it

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>>106433774
>>106433784
>>106433787
Goddamn normies.

>>106433647
our environments are designed to be interfaced with by a human
a complete human form might be counter productive, like, a 4 legged bot will prolly be better bc more stable, easier to get balance right (im fairly certain the chinkbot uses a gyroscope to help with that. it prolly could be done away with 3 or 4 legs)

but you still probably want to give it human like hands- to facilitate integration with existing infrastructure

>>106433770
where's the hole i put my dick in?

>>106433787
Meh.
The whole point of sexrobot is to have them do the fucking. Otherwise, it's just an overpriced fleshlight.
And I wouldn't trust a gritftabot to fuck me right now. (be it riding me, pegging me, or even just massaging me in any way)

>>106433746
>The human form is actually pretty well designed for moving around and manipulating arbitrary environments.
Not really, no.
I've been busy moving out the past months. And I can tell you my human form has failed me many , many, time while moving shit around.

The only inherent advantage to mimicking the human shape & range of motion is that it will allow those robots to coexist more alongside humans.
But for any given specialized work, there will probably be a more efficient shape.

Just look at autonomous cars : do you really think we would be better off if they were humanoid robots, carrying their users on their back?

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>>106433802
>to facilitate integration with existing infrastructure
but for almost every use case, "existing infrastructure" makes concessions to the human form and is sub optimal. in general the human form is unsuitable for most real work, which is why forklifts and pallet jacks and such exist. we drive cars with wheels and coil/gas spring loaded suspensions, not carriages bolted to the tops of mechanical spiders. even the humble rickshaw is just "horse carriage, but we ran out of horses and had to make some design concessions to have a human slave draw it"

instead of a robo bartender picking up shakers and handing me a debit terminal, why isnt it just a liquid vending machine with a tap spot for my card but loaded with galliano and tia maria instead of vanilla syrup and instant coffee? everything already has a USBC and RS232 port just get a few serial cables for the between time where robots either dont have integrated systems or business owners are still on an old standard somewhere else than service

>>106433813
you sit on him as he rises up into your ass, or you nut in its giant clapped out USBC port

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>>106433770
the shifty wandering baba eyes really make this

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>>106433879
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>>106433853
>>106433865
>do you really think we would be better off if they were humanoid robots, carrying their users on their back?
> we drive cars with wheels and coil/gas spring loaded suspensions, not carriages bolted to the tops of mechanical spiders.

reminder that most of the first planes were actually really bad ornithopters, trying to copy the actions of birds. it turned out that birds are really bad flying machines with their broad wings that flap to make thrust and are concave on the underside to make lift, actually, and fixed convex wings swept back with something else providing motive power is just better. looking at "natural" forms for engineering is a fool's game

>>106433865
>but for almost every use case, "existing infrastructure" makes concessions to the human form and is sub optimal.
yeah youre right
and at a certain point this will probably be changed

but otherwise you have the chicken and egg problem. kinda.
one would need to buy all new equipment bc the bot cant interface with it
and with new equipment one would have to buy bots bc a human couldnt interface with it

considering how the tech would be rolled out
im fairly certain gradual replacement of human interfaces is the rational way of doing things
but that starts with full compatibility with em bc you cant realistically replace all the workforce at once

>>106433647
That's not a humanoid robot

>>106433913
>it turned out that birds are really bad flying machines
theyre very good flying machines
the problem is that our tech is/was just incompatible with their mechanics
theres not many rotating parts in a pigeon
and its hard to simulate muscles without pistons, which are pretty heavy as things go

>>106433913
Hot air ballons and blimp don't mimick animals. And they predate airplanes.
Space Rockets, which were an evolution of plane, don't have wings anymore.
And helicopter are not really mimicking any animals either.

>>106433941
No, it's better. Which is the point op was trying to make.

>>106433923
>one would need to buy all new equipment bc the bot cant interface with it
USBC and RS232 cards
one day we will graduate to RS485 cards

though realistically at least in service industry slop commerce most secondary items (VLT terminal controllers, payment systems, cash registers, TVs and other passive entertainment, stocktaking/monitoring systems like those shot measurer cuffs, etc) all have ethernet connections so just give the robot wifi and tell SmartServe and Roku that maybe they should write an API some time so the robots coming down can interact with them easier. worst case, robots never come but SAP releases a module that handles all that crap instead of the human bartender having to take extra time to. or both, the robot says "my shift is over" and some SAP cancerware tallies its daily doings.

i think most of those service industry systems only dont have APIs for "security" (e.g. dont want a bartender to be able to poke at the VLT system and potentially hack it) or laziness (SmartServe knows bartenders are not IT people so not having to use a computer to get your totals and instead just printing it on thermal paper is actively a Feature). but with robutts that may change

>im fairly certain gradual replacement of human interfaces is the rational way of doing things
just integrate that stuff into the robot. instead of the robot having to pick up a debit terminal with its faggot hands, just let me put rub my tap card on its LCD face

>>106433941
and that's a CUTE thing!!

>>106433990
the tap card is the tail end of the problem
lets say you have a factory with milion s in obolescent, but still valid machinery
are you gonna make another milion-sized investment because you buy robots?

thats wasteful as fuck and it will still be cheaper to employ a wagie in the mid-term
and what about mom and pops shops? (SME is the term i think)
or services?

also robot tech wont be at 100% in the beginning.
you wont be able to rely on robots for everything
chicken and egg again
if theres no adoption theres no money
if theres no money theres no development
and if theres no development theres no improvement, so there wont be adoption.

from a purely technological standpoint youre right, but its not the only factor when you create a design

>>106433913
>BTFOs arabs
>BTFOs chinks
>BTFOs indians
>BTFOs pakis
>BTFOs the french
>BTFOs its younger american cousins
>still sexier than a pig with lipstick doing it

is there anything this flat fuck can't do

>>106433990
>one would need to buy all new equipment bc the bot cant interface with it
He meant mechanical interfaces, I think.

>>106434064
no, not only that
lets say you have a cash register
you would have to replace it with a wifi cash register if thats the interface your bot would be using

p.ex, bc in practice one would turnt the bot into a cash register, but the point applies to all kinds of tech and interfaces

like a door
if your robot doesnt have hands you would have to replace all your doors with smart doors so your robot could interface with them

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>>106434056
>>106434064
>He meant mechanical interfaces, I think.
>lets say you have a factory with milion s in obolescent, but still valid machinery
>are you gonna make another milion-sized investment because you buy robots?
i have strong opinions on robots in non-public facing stuff and SEX WITH CREATURES(artificial) aside in 99.999999999% of situations a non-humanoid "robot" is just better. you don't need memey AI driven robot arms to work a mine. you need a fucking dragline on tank treads with a flexible chute that goes to a conveyor belt system. if the belt system needs to be "smart" it just needs sensors for weight, maybe optical sensors. not even cameras-- just checking reflectivity or color.

even where it edges towards service for humans like in cooking, dominos is not well served by introducing humanoid robots. their most recent giant capital expenses on automation have been in factories making dough, and they are basically giant complexes of conveyor belts dumpign stuff into oversized stand mixers, then the globs fall out of a chute onto another belt that goes through what is essentially a very advanced fridge.

literally. their big proud "We're the future of pizza!" moment from a year or two ago was a giant dough proofing area that uses a massive corkscrew conveyor belt and very careful management of heat and moisture in the room to optimally rest and proof dough and then package it into big stacks of plastic trays. no normie-style "robots" required. the only human intervention is for maintenance/repair and even replacing those robots with humans, it would either look like >>106433770 for "remove dough stuck in gears" issues or like picrel robot forklifts for moving dough around not with a small section of belt hell

and yes i would molest this lil cutie

>>106434061
it can't stop winning and it can't get pregnant (yet)

>>106434056
Most people cannot fathom the concept of convergence.
For them, money can be magically be turned into scientific progress, infrastructure, and consumer goods.

>>106434149
>AI driven robot arms to work a mine
you actually do
it will have to interface with existing equipment

a closed ecosystem makes sense for apple, but not when you want widespread adoption
and you want widespread adoption bc a) fuck wagiescum
and b) counting on fat margins to make money is how you kill a business. if you really want big money, you want big volume

bc whos gonna make more money?
a car dealer or a car manufacturer?

>>106434181
>convergence
had to look it up myself kek.
but yeah, people usually dont have a global vision of technological processes

gtg, ill be back in a while

>>106433647
Not everyone shares your sex doll fetish.
I want my waifubot to look like my waifu.

>>106434149
>be me, forklift #042069
>feeling sexy in my new paintjob
>pass by the creepy worker
>he pushes my emergency button (can't prevent him to so, by law)
>reboot to the sight of a worried mechanics
>he's holding a rag
>there's no grease on it
>only cum

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>>106434115
>like a door
>if your robot doesnt have hands you would have to replace all your doors with smart doors so your robot could interface with them
small stuff like this depends on exact use cases. if it's a robot bartender, why does it need to use doors at all? kitchen doors in restaurants are usually free-floating so a server carrying plates can just bonk into it and it opens. there's probably not much reason for it to go outside. idk about US architecture but here in canuckistan and in the yuropean places I've been, when an outdoor dining area is in operation, usually the door is held open all the time or the windows raise/slide out of the way to make the indoor and outdoor spaces continuous.

if i were a consultant trying to re-architect places to be robot-friendly, I would probably just propose punching holes in walls for ports and dumb waiters before retrofitting doors, since that's usually the better option even with human workers who have to navigate stupidly designed or poorly retrofitted spaces.

>>106434196
>you actually do [need robot arms to mine]
miners dont hand-pickaxe shit like its dorf fort. even in modern very manual mining, usually it's drilling holes in a quarry wall to insert explosives. literally just make a tiny tank and instead of a main gun it's a literal piledriver. in fact, just get a piledriver and mount the pile sideways. they already exist and are often not exactly comfortable, ergonomic machines anyway, just replace the bolted-on cab with a server

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>>106434213
Your waifu is ugly and inefficient. She cannot squeeze her pussy at will. She doesn't even vibrate.

>most competent and sane techbros invent trains but bad, radio but bad, modems but bad, etc

>least sane and most nocoder robofuckers literally offer to write automation suites for 1$ total, final invoice line is "I will weld a wedding ring to the support strut and you have to let me nut in the ballast whenever i want"

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>>106434314
And the problem is?

>>106434218
>be me, forklift #066600
>pass by forklift #042069
>she's glazed like a donut yet again
>intentionally flip that homewrecking slut over for seducing my husbando in the IT department

>>106433746
This. And it's the reason why automation so far was only worth on controlled environment, like car factories and the like.

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>>106434344
>>106433913
>>106434061
drone love not drone war

>>106433647
Humanoid form is a retard trap. It exist only to attract idiots on "IT'S JUST LIKE IN MY SCI-FI MOVIES" autism.

Soft robotics is where true value exist - a tentacle is the ultimate form of operator. It's just that we are still figuring this shit out and experimenting with ideal forms.

>>106434411
as a design wonk who wants to fuck the robot i am a firm believer that there is not a one-size-fits-all form factor. even tentacles are not appropriate sometimes, even if they're closest to Just Werks Everywhere. the extra cost alone when a stamp on a rail could have done the same thing in some places should make it not the only SKU out there

>>106434411
what do you call these people that want to larp as futurists anyway? i've met a few in my life but i don't know what term to use for them. you know what i mean?

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>>106434410
>*nods*
Drone love.

(sauce : a webserie named "Murder Drone")

>>106434450
i just use "techbro" for all of them
it's not a perfect fit but close enough for most uses

>>106434450
"tech enthusiast"?
"useful idiots"?

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>>106434411
It doesn't necessarily have to be of humanoid format, but it must be able to adapt to unknown environments. Technically, it could be other things, like an octopus-like format, as you said, or a swarm of robotic flies or something. But since people will want to fuck those robots, it makes sense for general-purpose robots to be developed in humanoid format.

>>106434450
I don't know, lmao. I just know that there's pretty significant amount of people that is easily impressed by shit that is similar to what they saw in TV or vidya gaemz, even if the actual product is dogshit.

>>106434440
The funny part is that tentacle-like operator is generally cheaper and less complex than a human hand-like one, while being generally better at most tasks. The thing is that for 99% of uses two-claw kind of shit is just good enough and needs basically no engineering.

>>106434516
sauce for the hottie on the left?

>>106434517
true but still
> a stamp on a rail could have done the same thing in some places

I could use 200 robo-tentacles to make a pizza, or I can use a barrel-loaded chute feeding a conveyor belt feeding a stand mixer feeding another conveyor that passes through an oven

>>106434516
>But since people will want to fuck those robots
SORRY FEMINISTS
MY WIFE ON THE LEFT

>>106434481
>>106434513
yeah. that's close enough. >>106434517 is right when he says they're easily impressed. kinda like when people see LLMs and say Skynet is coming.

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>>106434516
I know the bolt heads are "fake" but using hex nut head things to decorate tentacles is very cute.

>>106434541
The robo-tentacles can also give you a hentai-grade massage.
How is the conveyor belt supposed to compete?

>>106434566
>How is the conveyor belt supposed to compete?
by making me delicious pizza. and when i want to cuddle I will simply lay on the belt and roll around like a husky in snow. Love has no boundaries, but it does have guard rails.

>>106433647
American unhealthy obsession with generalization, everything must be able to do everything and please everyone, etc

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>>106434516
>But since people will want to fuck those robots
Are you just assuming people won't want to fuck tentacle robots?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman's_Wife

>>106434581
But what if you wanted pasta the next day?
The tentaclebot could probably adapt with no trouble.
While refactoring your pizza production line would take a lot of work.

>>106434541
Well, my point still stands. We already figured out the simple tasks and for more complex shit we are slowly figuring out shit that blows the fuck out of anything based on human body.

>>106434516
Eeeehh... is the uncanny valley la creatura de la silicona really that hot? Personally I would just prefer medical sperm drain machine with screen playing porn over this shit. Also, silicon skin really needs a lot of maintenance to not start tearing and falling apart, it's shit.

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Gotta say, it's nice to have an actual conversation with people who are not chink shills.

>>106434610
>i want to take my pizza oven wife out for a non-pizza date
>call up forklift #042069 for help moving her
>forklift only moves her upward so i can install some locking casters and push or tow my new wife anywhere I want
if it's something you own you can just do the mods. no need to submit a Request for Change. simple as

>>106434593
unironically non-sexual realpost: why is this a thing? it feels like the anglosphere is generally against "bespoke" solutions even where those solutions are still just a list of standard part numbers. Is it resistance to having to do actual design because it involves le lib arts people, is the cost of process development/management seen as too high even though it brings savings later, what's the deal here? even trying to do freelance device repair and modification, all the resistance and lack-of-work I got was because of normies basically just saying
>Why would I hire you do do all this work for a holistic solution that will cost me 500$ one time when I can just get 99 different subscription services that cost 50$ per month each??

>>106434617
I am not a materials scientician but surely there's some sillicone that is just made better than others. some of my conventional sex toys practically melt under the heat of a shower but others are so robust i've used them bash bent parts back into shape

>>106434610
>But what if you wanted pasta the next day?
Domino's literally makes pasta and it's basically the same process as when they make pizza or wings. They take shitty parboiled pasta, their pizza ingredients, and move it through a special slot in their oven

>>106434653
>>call up forklift #042069 for help moving her
The judge said you are not allowed to approach her anymore.
Your DNA was all over thar rag, anon...

When are we getting gonk droids

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Octopus-like robots are creepy as fuck

>>106434653
>why is this a thing?
My guess is that this happens due to the growing strategy of corporations being to engulf all markets, like how movies wanna be for all ages to get more money on theaters
Corporations also don't want you customizing your things and calling them yours, they want brand loyalty and uniformity, this started happening on the internet after facebook made everything sterile

>>106434702
a fair assessment; i don't have a counter-argument or amplifying information other than funny anecdotes.

>>106433647
It's like you niggers never read Asimov.
The point of a humanoid robot is that it can operate machinery designed for humans.
In theory, it's simpler to buy a humanoid robot that can operate your tractor and your harvester than one driverless tractor + one driverless harvester.
In reality of course, it turned out making humanoid robots is hard as fuck.

>>106434653
I can only say how it is with sex dolls but tl;dr is that the skin gets really messed up from grinding against itself in places like armpits, knees etc. Without baby oil and powder these places are prone to being damaged (it's something that also happens to actual humans, t. a fat fuck). I suppose you could use some kind of harder, slippery material but even that will wear down with use and you'll sacrifice the sensory experiences.

>>106434653
>some of my conventional sex toys practically melt under the heat of a shower
For the love of the omnissiah, anon...
DO NOT buy cheap crap with the intent to shove it down your anal cavity...
If mere warm water can damage your toys, so can your gastric flora.
And the entrance of your ass is literally a sponge that will pump that microplastic directly into your blood stream.

There's a nice community on /d/analgen/ if you want more info.

>>106434720
You are echoing a point that has been made three time ITT already.
Why are you acting smug?

>>106434236
>small stuff like this depends on exact use cases.
its not small stuff
integration into an existing process makes or breaks a product
and a manipulator is really something simple compared to the rest of the machine
yeah, its mechanics are complex but youre gonna have much more work with the ai proper than with the mechanics

>if i were a consultant trying to re-architect places to be robot-friendly
its added costs, added barrier to adoption. it makes your product NOT self contained
again, youre thinking about the technical aspect of things only, how to make it efficient
but its contrary to the question "how to make wagiebots a thing to begin with", which is a matter of flexibility instead

>miners dont hand-pickaxe shit like its dorf fort
yeah i know
but the lift theyre using has buttons/handles
their drills have buttons/handles
and the wagons / transport belts have buttons. or handles.

and thats the problem
you cannot gradually introduce wagiebots you have to change the whole tech process at once
unless you give wagie bots a human hand. then its a non issue bc wagiebot can integrate seamlessly in to existing processes

>>106434720
The problem is that you don't need an entire robot for that. You just need systems that can control the steering wheel, pedals, gears etc. And you can apply this kind of thinking to nearly everything - hot dog stuffing machine needs no human body, it's just an arm and rail for holding a bun.

most tech is about scamming investors, not adding value
>>106433770
they added the little eyes to this thing just to give me a boner, evil
oh they also gave it a little heart thing?

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>>106434720
>In theory, it's simpler to buy a humanoid robot that can operate your tractor
if i can build humanoid robots why dont i just build a robot tractor though

>>106434735
>DO NOT buy cheap crap with the intent to shove it down your anal cavity...
it wasn't cheap when i bought it and i was intensely disappointed

>>106434752
>buttons/handles
RS485 card and a few hours of soldering

>>106434773
>RS485 card and a few hours of soldering
ie non zero costs
and modifying machinery
which is an extremely bad idea in a dirty environment like a mine

>>106434762
>hot dog stuffing machine needs no human body, it's just an arm and rail for holding a bun.
this, when service industry cooking bots come up i genuinely wonder if the techbros insisting on humanoid robots for it have truly never wondered where gas station sandwiches come from

>>106434787
>ie non zero costs
so would buying a Tesla Optimus for it!!!

>>106434773
>if i can build humanoid robots why dont i just build a robot tractor though
As I said, better to buy one humanoid robot that can operate all your equipment than a robot version of every single equipment.
Of course, the reality of economics of scale in the semiconductor industry dictated differently.

>>106434795
robots are a cost cutting measure.
you would have to hire someone to do that job
and to implement the solution you would have to compromise the original design of your machinery

to do that correctly you would need an engineering team, not an anon with a soldering iron

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>>106434752
>>106434809
STOPGAP SOLUTION: Instead of a humanoid robot, we just have little servo motors in a box specifically designed for a given cab/cockpit/etc. Literally just, there's a button? Solenoid actuator. Lever? Hook it up to a servo and some pulleys. As maintenance periods come up, we replace the servos with direct lines to those buttons/levers/etc. On smaller industrial equipment, there aren't even proper cabs as it is and much of the stuff is controlled by a serial connection off of what's basically an old ToughBook

>>106434809
>to do that correctly you would need an engineering team, not an anon with a soldering iron
yes, but you also need that to design and deliver humanoid robots. and tbqh with how the job market is these days you could probably find at least one psycho already on staff in a totally unrelated department willing and able to do it for cheap. literally just pay for him to get one or two certs before starting and you've saved 99% of the cost of a teslabot

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joining the mile high club with this creature

>>106434807
Again, you can just... put few pressure pistons here and there to press whatever buttons and shit you want. This is actually how crash tests are done for decades and nowadays with electronics and computers controlling everything in cars and machinery it's even simpler, you can just write a program doing all this shit. The human body is unnecessary bloat.

>>106434850
im not talking about humanoid robots though
in fact a full humanoid form is counter productive, 4 legs > 2 legs

no, you just need to add a manipulator to the machine that would allow it to interface with existing, human-oriented infrastructure
theres another thing youre not taking into consideration:
you dont need to sell the bots
you can rent them. this means drastically reducing the initial cost, massively improving adoption rate
but this approach is totally antithetical to modifying existing infra to cater to wagiebots

theres also the idea of an universal wagiebot
where you have one design, but which can be utilized in various processes
then you better have human-like manipulators because flexibility to adapt to various processes is a si ne qua non condition

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>this thread

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>>106434901
>theres also the idea of an universal wagiebot
most designs that actually work are basically a roomba with a forklift arm

>>106434917
yeah no
these are the equivalent of the air balloons in the age of powered flight
these are the pre-pre-prototypes of an actual wagiebot
and this just wouldnt do
i want total wagiepocalype and slurp up the money they were earning to become giga gorilonaire

>>106434917
i'm pretty sure i saw a design from /robowaifu/ that just sat on a roomba too

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>>106434906
Free Mars

>>106434610
Why would you make pasta with a pizza-bot? That's just silly.

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even the most based robot of all time ditched the whole "human body" thing and is just a tiny APC with arms (and hidden helicopter rotors) now

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>>106434989
Reminds me of CEO Iwasaki from Ghost In The Shell. To be frank - if we will figure out transplanting brains into machines one day, then to hell with human-like garbage, put me into a silly cube! Also, obligatory mention of Iwasaki's dub voice.
https://youtu.be/DBGOhxwMr5A

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>>106435022
you are now aware that the real main characters of NiER: Automata were the PODs

>>106435022
>if we will figure out transplanting brains into machines one day, then to hell with human-like garbage, put me into a silly cube!
kek same here
i wouldnt hesitate a second if the deal was 10.000 years lifespan with possibility to self terminate at any time, and manipulators that would allow me to build shit in exchange for all my human senses

not having to eat, sleep and shit is already quite the upgrade

but if i dont get extended life, or cant manipulate the world around me, then its a straight downgrade

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>>106435045
(before anyone thinks im memeing this is actually canon; best endings get extra commentary from the PODs and they are much more prescient than the androids and trash can bots(trash can bots who were WAY CUTER and more human in their desires and history than the androids!!))

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>>106435045
>nier
kek the japs are silly

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>>106435068
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>>106435090
revolting

>>106433770
Give that thing a second arm (which it would need to do many human-level tasks), and it'll be pretty damn close to the human form.
That roller might look fine, until you put it in a two floor house.

Not only is the human body well adapted for navigating arbitrary environments, we have set up our own environment in such a way that is optimized for our own bodies.
How do you design a robot that will be optimized for conditions designed for humans? By making it like a human.

>>106433853
Could any other living thing or machine have picked up all those boxes and carried them out to the moving van? No, they could not.
You are severely underestimating how remarkable your own capabilities are.

I have also been moving lately, and I've been amazed at what my scrawny 130lbs body has been able to do. The only thing that I couldn't carry on my own or break down into smaller manageable tasks was moving large pieces of furniture, all of which were doable with the help of one other person.

>normies

>>106434411
>>106434440
There is value though to designing a machine to be applicable to as many situations as possible. You cannot have a robot for every miniscule task. It is necessary for there to be robots that are equipped to deal with unpredictable and unforeseen tasks, which is something that humans excel at.

>>106435201
>You cannot have a robot for every miniscule task.
money is fake and the only limitation on interfaces is copper wire and iron rods. processing is getting expensive because muh rare earth but actuators and wiring are cheap and there is no reason not to have eight billion physical interfaces

also maybe getting more into weird radicalized territory but if a task is truly "unpredictable and unforeseen" i would not trust a robot with it anyway, and if it becomes understood enough let's just like make another COFFIN S.Y.S.T.E.M. box to push the damn button instead of building an entire false-human for one keyboard (where, once more, it's connected by USB or some RS XXX shit and can be directly wired to whatever memeAI would have been driving the humanoid robot)

>>106435201
As people in this thread pointed out - you don't need entire human body for anything. For most tasks where it counts you just need one or two simple operators. Arm, sensor and set of wheels is much cheaper, easier to engineer and most importantly easier to repair than complex humanoid body. Speaking of that -

>>106435154
Why moving between stores of a large house when you can just have two robots? Especially that a glorified roomba is way cheaper in production and maintenance than theoretical humanoid?

Also, there's a lot of animals that can do tasks of hauling heavy objects - the issue is that they will just not do it because they are animals and can't be controlled. Arguably a fucking elephant is great form for that - strong, stable and comes with pretty powerful but dexterous tentacle-like controlled on it's face. Elephants are known for picking up easily items up to 700 pounds. And that the "real" elephant, obviously you can improve it's form with technology.

>>106435329
>they are animals and can't be controlled.
rape correcting my mule until it drags my fry sled into the HESCO bag

>>106433647
Because I want a robot husbando to have sex with

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>>106435318
>COFFIN S.Y.S.T.E.M.
even in engineering games ive stopped designing cockpits because it's just easier and higher performance to unironically sit on the ground controlling a plane through cameras than to have to impact its aerodynamics and engine layout by having to have a player character sit in it somewhere

>but what if you have to dogfight out of range!!??
then I have a heavy-lift helicopter take my containerized flight sim to the combat zone and hide somewhere within 20km of the battle. If there's a battle going on much further away, I send an automated bomber to sanitize the combat zone and fighter escort can dogfight only "not very well" to provide enough cover and dispense enough flares to cover the bomber while I come into range to do my ace shit (which will be measurably lower performance in a combat situation than the basic chase algo automated dogfighters I've deployed and the only advantage of presenting a human pilot to the enemy is damaging the morale of human pilots still operating from onboard their planes)

>>106435318
>the only limitation on interfaces is copper wire and iron rods
It's much more than that, but material limitations are significant and not something that can be ignored.
You are talking about a point where complex machines become a post-scarcity resource, which is a matter for the far-future.

>if a task is truly "unpredictable and unforeseen" i would not trust a robot with it anyway
which is why we're working on improving that instead of just hyper-optimizing for certain tasks (which we are doing too). It wasn't long ago when you'd have to be stupid to get into a self-driving car, but now they can absolutely outperform human drivers.

>>106435329
You don't need to use the entire human body for anything, but its good to have all those tools available for when you do need them. Once the technology is properly developed, it will absolutely be cheaper and more efficient to have a single all-in-one package than many specialized bots.
Specialized bots may be better for more extreme versions of general tasks, like lifting something exceptionally heavy or transporting it at 50mph, but those are things that we already have specialized machines for, ones that this humanoid robot could operate.

>Why moving between stores of a large house when you can just have two robots?
Because once developed, one robot able to go up and down the stairs will be able to do the job of those two robots. How exactly are those "glorified roombas" supposed to get the boxes up and down the stairs?

>Also, there's a lot of animals that can do tasks of hauling heavy objects
But not with any degree of dexterity. Cars/tractors have already solved that kind of work, which are the kind of extreme tasks that I mentioned above. The point of developing new robots is to make machines that can do things that machines cannot currently do easily. Most of the physical tasks that we need done that machines cannot do yet are the ones that only humans can do.

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>>106435511
>but now they can absolutely outperform human drivers.
then why isnt Tesla sweeping WRC

Also, the human form may not be as optimized as physically possible, but it's a good starting point. It's something that we know works well, and can do most tasks that we need.
We can use this to further optimize from. Once widely implemented, we will see what situations this morphology ends up not being enough for. Maybe it will end up being helpful to give them a third arm, or to add more joints into that arm.
If you always keep delaying releases until we reach a point where there is no possible improvements that could ever exist, then robots will never exist. It doesn't have to be perfect, just really good, which humanoids are.

>>106435538
Because the cars are not optimized for speed+whatever else is needed for racing. For everyday driving, Teslas do get into accidents at a far lower rate than humans, which is the only thing that matters in a low skill ceiling task like that.

>>106435552
>but it's a good starting point.
it's really not. people have pretty bad leverage for anything other than walking or pointing.

>Once widely implemented, we will see what situations this morphology ends up not being enough for.
so you mean every machine tool that currently exists?

>>106435588
>it's really not.
Really? I think humans have accomplished quite a bit with what we've got. Most tasks do not require super strength, which is why humans can do most things.

>so you mean every machine tool that currently exists?
Yes, I mean that robotics will be continuously developed in that way. Humanoids are the best starting point for general purpose machines that we know of at the moment.

>>106435660
>Humanoids are the best starting point for general purpose machines
lil techbro has never encountered a 6-axis mill before

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>>106433770
The wine is actually flowing down in front of the glass.
And also behind it.
Lazy AI.

Also, that is not gonna rinse any of those plates.
If it were real, I mean.

Current day robotics just suck and are useless ok outside of a few very limited scenarios.

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normies hate modern machining because it's TOO LEWD for them

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>>106433774
He could have his wish today.

>>106435948
im honestly surprised that there arent places you can go to to dump recyclables into one of these yourself but forfeit the deposit just to watch the grinder work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO_SH-RTvvo
didnt boomers get let watch car crushers do their thing?

>>106435873
There is nothing that can do which cannot be done with two humanoid hands.

>>106435972
continuous high-speed revolution in the same direction with constant grip of the worked part at one point

>>106435972
Sex.

>>106435998
Human wrists do rotate, just not all the way and not continuously. This is an optimization that has been made by using the human body as a start point.

Those very same humanoid robots that you were calling out have joints that move both ways, and often continuously. Calling something not a humanoid because the hands can spin is a huge stretch.

>>106436033
>everything is humanoid because humans have joints!!
kill this nigga on sight

>>106436070
It's humanoid if it walks upright and has arms and hands as its primary means of interacting with the environment around it. That is what I am saying is a good system for general purpose robots.

If you disagree, what would qualify as humanoid? What would be better for generalizing to arbitrary tasks?

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>>106436107
>stands up best one way
>grasps things
Behold! A humanoid!

>>106433770
>pours a glass of wine out for the presumable at-work husband while looking very happy
HOW ELSE AM I TO READ THIS?

>>106436125
>USB to barrel jack interface
>comes with enema bottle
BUILT FOR SEX

>>106434593
>American unhealthy obsession with generalization
It's not american, it's human. We view the world in a very limited set of rules and states to more easily cope with it.

>>106436125
That does not walk upright by any stretch of any reasonable definition, nor does it have arms.

Again, what do you consider humanoid?

>>106436185
>techbros have not evolved past neanderthal level thinking
lel

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>>106436125
Excuse me but what the fuck is this?

>>106435906
>The wine is actually flowing down in front of the glass.
Do you ever ask yourself why they make those captchas so damn difficult that you fail almost all of them?

>>106437382
I never fail them.
But I guess this is bad news?

Only retards hate normies.
The most retarded normie is still more sensible than most of you