The way things are going in tech and gaming, I'm starting to genuinely wonder if I'm ever going to move away from the am4 platform. Anyone else feel this way?
9800x3d is still much faster than any am4 cpu
>>106442146Until it catches fire, yes
everything is going the same way of Win 7development software and possibly hardware (anti-cheat) is going to require TPM or Secure Boot on top of Win 11coincidentally just in time for payment processors to crush creative freedom after years of chilling
>>106442131The PC market has heavily degraded into marketing to the most unserious people it can find.You could let it slide if the stupidity didn't otherwise stop regular people from just building stable and reliable systems but things are so fucked up that you can run a system stock and have it degrade, become unstable, or just not boot after a few months.The market is arguably an utter failure at the moment.
>>106442131Fuck no. AM4 was shit but we used it because that's all that there was. AM5 is a massive upgrade. Look up the physical properties of AM5.
>>106442146Sure, but for what purpose?My 5700X3D isn't particularly limiting me in any games.
>>106442146>8 cores for $500gaymers are retarded
>>106442389>he doesn't have a local microcenter.
>>106442379many games require 9800x3d just for 1% lows greater than 120fps.
>>106442408Considering I just delt with someone who G.Skill sent 3 defective kits to, you couldn't give me that garbage for free.
>>106442436LolLmao evenThey're all buying ICs from the same fabs, RAM is RAM.Not to mention, you can upgrade to corsair for $25
>>106442408Remember with motherboards cost under 100 bucks without rgb bullshit ?
>>10644243560fps is fine.
>>106442518>60fps on a 144hz screen
>>106442131Yup. This has been my thoughts for quite some time, too.
>>106442146For doing what, exactly? The same exact shit that has been done for over 30 years? Spending 99% of the time in a fucking browser?
>>106442131I stayed on x99 until 2023 when i upgraded to AM5 was on a 5820K with 32GB's of ram and a 1080ti FE this system hasn't been bad at all honestly i think I've had one shit windows update that's about it other then that it's extremely stable
>>106442484>ram is ramIt's still up to them to bin, solder and actually test the shit. 3 kits in a row wouldn't even pass memtest the default JEDEC profile on two different systems>corsair Still garbage The whole Taiwanese cottage industry of OCed RAM is garbage, only good for tickling your epeenIDK why people have faith in it at all.
>>106442336duuuuurrrrr upgray'd. Again, FOR WHAT???
>>106442562Because millions of people use the RAM from those companies 24/7/365 for years on end without issue.Every company will have lemons and QC issues to a certain extent.
>>106442436annoying but g.skill does have a lifetime warranty on their ram
I stayed with my FX8350 until ryzen 3000 was on the way out the door. Ill keep my 5900XT probably as long.
>>106442604Decent system bro honestly i don't think i will be upgrading for a long time might do a case upgrade possibly soon lan cool 2 mesh performance is a dust catcher
>>106442581Are you under a delusion people are deploying gskill and corsair shit in their servers?
>>106442627I just put mine in a rack mount and called it a day. I use both of the 5.25 bays, and dual 120mm intakes and dual 80 exhausts are good enough for me, its a relatively low powered system.
>>106442583Leaning on warranties is why the market is so shit imoJust make shit that works. Some leeway is permissible but if your trying to filter garbage through your customers in the hope that you can salvage a few good kits out of a bad batch, you can fuck right off.
>>106442131Years ago I went straight to 5900X from 1200 as my last AM4. I had 1200 before because previous one broke and needed anything asap cheaply. I don't see viable upgrade still. Not worth the marginal improvements. I might either skip AM5 altogether or wait for final gen and buy higher end one if it actually gets massive boost.
>>106442131I literally just built a am5 desktop just now so I'm not wondering about that.
>>106442661Are you under the delusion that everyone here is running a server and not a gaming desktop?
>>106442408Not my fault they would rather build a third store in NY than a first one in my state.
>>106442581>Because millions of people use the RAMNTA but a good chunk of them never enable XMP/EXPO>24/7/365 for years on endMost people building their own PC only use them for a few hours a day and for a few years. Prevents some nasty surprises when profile no longer holds.I've had it happen a few times back when I was neeting and had my PC on 24/7, I have a few kits from gskill, team and corsair that no longer hold their xmp profile.The trust in overclocked RAM is super misplaced. It's fine for your unserious task of playing call of duty a few hours a day but it's not for systems you want to be reliable.
>>106442571Obviously you didn't read the post or do as advertised. Don't reply to me again you fucking moron. You lower the IQ of the entire thread just by your presence. Try learning what you're talking about before making an ass of yourself.
>>106442737So your already admitting it's not up to snuff for 24/7 dutyIt's only "reliable" if you don't use it
>>106442781Meanwhile I've had a gskill kit running XMP since 2011 until 2021 when it got replaced with another gskill kit that has had no issues running it's XMP profile for the last 4 years.Oh and I do have my computer on nearly 24/7/365.
>>106442792See >>106442798I can pretty much promise you, I've got more running hours on my hardware than you.
>>106442782Huuuurrrrr upgray'd. Idz an upgrayyyy'd
>>106442798Doesn't discount the fact basically nobody uses xmp memory outside of gaymersThere is a very good reason for it but you'll never understand
>>106442820Apparently the reason is it makes you seethe
>gamingHow bout you grow up bud
>>106442553retard
>>106442826says the mobile retard
>>106442830Yeah I know you are. Still can't answer. Upppgraaayyyy'd for what, faggot?
>>106442528I don't own a 144hz screen so I don't see the problem
>>106442131Yeah, clocked my 5600X with a better cooling solution and it's keeping up no problem with my 9070XT.Only thing I might upgrade would be RAM 16 -> 32gb if I need it.
>>106442668Nice server case bro yeah im looking to downsize to something slightly smaller as im kinda over standard ATX mid tower cases
>>106442825I'm not seething, your the one who is apparently so offended i don't like your Taiwan dimm vendorsEveryone else but gaymers get their memory straight from DRAM fabs instead of filtering it through some weird ass companies trying to make memory do something it was never supposed to.
>>106442872>yourYou're
Upgray'd homo spends 99% of his Miley Cyrus faggot ass time in a browser, but talking about huuurrrrr duuuurrrr upppppgggggrrrrraaaaaayyyyy'd. The other times, he's watching faggot ass cartoons and playing overhyped benchmarker AAAss games
>>106442782You understand that in a conversation if you present a claim, a sensible human might ask you to verify your claim with facts or atleast opinnions instead of just "look it up".tl;dr You're fucking retarded, please kill yourself and make the world a better place.
>>106442560the only reason I moved to AM5 was cause I needed 3x m.2 slots.in retrospect I should've stayed on am4 since it has better bifurcation possibilities. 5600g has 16 lanes you can use as 8x4x4x, 8600g has 8 lanes you can't split in any way (but 7000/9000 can use 16 lines split as 4x4x4x4x....).in retrospect I should've gone a 9600x3d + 8x4x4x card + low profile 4060 or 5060, but that would have cost 2x as much. It also would've used 2x idle power usage.oh well.
>>106443102Your needs fit your use case scenarios i completely skipped AM4 at it was no benefit to me whatsoever the only reason i upgrade to AM5 was because i was willing to try AMD again after having used FX from 2012 to 2016 which was an absolute shit show
>>106442435How many of them are good? I'm still looking for a good modern game that actually uses this thing.
>>106443102I honestly just miss running dual gpu setups (FX 8350 dual gigabyte GTX 970 g1 gaming's running in SLI) photo is from 2015
>>106443102My x99 system was able to run dual Nvme drives in 2016 ryzen owners wouldn't even get this stuff till 2018 features that were already included on most x99 boards including USB 3.1 type A and type c
>>106443291My x99a board from 2015 had just 1x m.2 slots, but with the platform having that many PCIe lanes, I was able to run my GPU at x16 and still have x16 lanes available for a PCIe m.2 caddy that could fit 4 m.2 drives.
>>106443291>My x99 system was able to run dual Nvme drives in 2016my 5600g was matx and could run 5 nvme drives in total plus 8 lanes for a gpu or anything else, simply by getting a 8x4x4x splitter. If I don't use any other expansion cards, then 6x nvme.my 8600g can only run 3x nvme drives (all at pcie 4.0 though), plus 8 lines for a gpu, so total 4x nvme drives.if I used a 9600 I could have used 5x nvme with a 8x4x4x splitter plus 8 lanes for a gpu. Half of them at 5.0 and two in 4.0.However I use a power optimized SFF build so 8600g was a must if I wanted to play games.I really wish AMD did not gimp the APUs with only 16x PCIE lines.
>>106443412Sure, but that logic X99 boards could run like 16-20+ NVMe drives using caddies.
>>106443421could they use native pcie bifurcation? or only with expensive add-on boards that used additional logic chips?AM4 and AM5 can use bifurcation to split the lanes natively so you only need a $10 splitter PCB from aliexpress.
>>106443475Depends on your motherboard, on my specific motherboard they never released an official bios that allowed it, but you could flash a modded bios to allow it since it was supported by the chipset and other motherboards with the same chipset from the same manufacturer had the feature in their bios. tldr; yes x99 supported PCIe bifurcation.
>>106443532Sure but x99 was an extreme high end / server board. It's a Nehalem or a Threadripper/Epyc equivalent. I'm using a B850 which is a low end consumer board. Also, I'm on mATX, so double handicap. Given that, 3x m.2 (plus a free slot) or 3x m.2 plus a splittable lane for 3x more m.2 is pretty good, I'd think. Especially since my entire PC uses 20W.
>>106443412>my 5600g was matx and could run 5 nvme drives in total plus 8 lanes for a gpu or anything elseAM4 didn't exist in 2016 dude...
>>106443607and I wasn't on Ryzen in 2016 either. What is your point? Newer boards can do more than older boards? Congrats.
>>106443603People are paying just as much or more for their "desktop" boards as they where for X99 shit.X99 was cheap in retrospect
>>1064436035820's were cheap, it was equivalent to a higher end regular desktop CPU. The 4790k was $340, a 5820k was $390. And at microcenter a 5820k was like $299 within a few months of launch. (4790k was $279 at microcenter)
>>106443616>and I wasn't on Ryzen in 2016 either. What is your point? Newer boards can do more than older boards? Congrats.I wasn't even fucking talking to you faggot you just joined my conversation now fuck off cunt and go bother somebody else with your retardation
>>106443632ok, faggot.
>>106443623Yeah and what it costs to buy a loaf of bread today would have been enough for a three piece dinner in 2016. Inflation is a bitch.
>>106443623To be fair, the cheapest X99 boards in 2015/16 were like $300. Whereas that was a higher end Z97 motherboard price.So you were certainly paying a premium to get X99, just not as bad as you normally would, X99 was as cheap as HEDT ever really got.
>>106443691Price increases on components have way outpaced inflation.
>>106443203>I honestly just miss running dual gpu setupsdid they ever work properly? I just heard it was crazy microstutters in all the games
>>106443819>did they ever work properly?Nothough some people just aren't bothered by microstutter, so it "worked" for them.
>>106442270>TPM and secure bootDRM. nothing but DRMif they weren't they'd let you use your own self-signed endorsement key so YOU can decide what YOU want to run
>>106443785>Price increases on components have way outpaced inflation.No, it's inflation that outpaced the cost of living standards.
>>106443713Nah, there were cheaper boards.pic related is from november 2014.
feels good when what you have is sufficient.>>106442510yeah i'm pretty sure i got picrel for £60 and it wasn't even the cheapest option at the time. currently using it in my homeserver.
>>106443819In my experience Crossfire was the cause of like 90% of all issues, so after I got tired of turning it off as a first line of troubleshooting I just started leaving it off. In the rare cases where it didn't cause crashes or glitches, it worked fine and I never noticed microstutters.Blew my first paycheck on 2 GPUs just cuz I could. It was a cool concept but not worth the pain in practice.
>>106442146Yes goyim, spend $800 upgrading your 5800X3D setup to an AM5 one for 15% extra performance (in an artificially-created CPU-limited scenario)! Make sure to donate to the IDF too!
>>106445582Sour grapes
>>106446347Faggot
>>106442188Is this a thing that actually happens regularly?
>>106442826Amen to thatI do exempt myself for a few games though
AM4 can play every good game ever made at a great framerate.t. 5950X owner
>>106442798Sample size: 1
>>106442131>am4 platformAM5 is kino but they are more or less the same. there's really nothing to worry about except getting the best cut of the chips.
>>106448689just as valid as the other anon's sample size >>106442436>I just delt with someone who G.Skill sent 3 defective kits to
>>106442131Dunno anon, I have a few AM4's I built as media PC for sub $800 price tags, then built my new personal desktop on AM5 with a 7800XT and a 9700X for like $1500. It's about the same price I've been spending on mid-upper level desktop builds over the last 20 years.
I don't plan to replace my 5800X3D ever as it's the perfect CPU but I'm still glad AMD went the LGA route - I do everything correctly, but I'll never not be nervous regardless handling a PGA chip
>>106449251oh yeah, and there's the fact that AM5 CPUs have Microsoft Pluton, in case having an additional backdoor makes a difference to you
>>106449281>muh bakh dewsIf you were particularly concerned about backdoors you wouldn't have upgraded from a phenom ii
>>106449946you're right
>>106448653>AM4 can play every good game ever made at a great framerate.A Phenom 2 could do that - they haven't been making good games in a while.
>>106442131I think AM4 is great but I don't see what that's supposed to mean. AM5 is already a significant upgrade. I don't think you NEED an upgrade from AM4 yet if you already have a good AM4 system, especially if you're on Zen 3, but if you're buying new I'd definitely suggest AM5 today.
>>106443856motherboards do let you do this anon, companies do that all the time for their own signed images and then disable the microsoft key. amazon does this for computers in their warehouses to avoid tamperingi agree with your point for things like google play verification tho
>>106444174was haswell the last time computing was fun
>>106450628yeah
fucking hell just get a b650 garbage with a ryzen 9 7900nothing else gets better than that.
