The state of the smartphone market is genuinely horrific.>iPhoneLocked down children's toy.>Android1984 in your pocket.>Graphene Borderline pointless because Google doesn't GAF about open source anymore and only ever updates the AOSP with the absolute bare minimum they can legally get away with.Where do we go from here? How do we fix it? Can we fix it? Or is it too far gone?
uhh buy a jolla phone?
Freedom has a cost. We have to carb through the pain, unite our efforts and contribute towards a better future, breaking the shackles of the digital gulag. Together, towards the future of Linux smartphones!
>>106443955>picWould. Fuck copper thieves. t. electrician
Stallman warned us about this.
>>106444232I was thinking the same thing. Based desu
>>106443955Why can't they fork android? It's apache 2.0
>How do we fix it?avoid using a smartphone, or at the very least, reduce your dependence on it as much as possible.consider leaving it at home with only the bare minimum of communication apps. Phones becoming proprietary walled gardens is only half of the problem, glowware is the other half, so you may want to minimize your exposure to spyware as much as you can and use your smartphone as if it were a landline. I'm not even joking.CHAD MODE: only turn it on for a few minutes each day to check for new messages or missed calls that you might want to return, then turn it off again for the rest of the day.if you want to have games, music, media apps, maps, etc, use a separate phone or tablet exclusively for that purpose, without a SIM card or cellular network of any kind, just wifi at your home router. prioritize apps that store all necessary data locally (e.g., OsmAnd for maps), and disable network permissions for any apps you do not trust.
>>106443993maybe
>>106443955man, I miss liveleak
>>106443955It doesn't matter, since ALL phones track you and update your location every couple milliseconds. Doesn't matter what phone you have, you are being tracked.
>>106444444
>>106444377Uhoh stinky
>>106444459If those are the apps in f-droid, imagine the ones in google's playstore...You may as well avoid smartphones altogether and call it a day.
>>106444459Is this osmand? On lineageOS you can turn off network per app (don't know about other androids) do that after downloading the maps you want, that way you "fix" the last two anti-features...
>>106444377I think that we should be allowed to have nice things and that the answer government overreach is not to just give up.
>>106443955at this point all we can do is to hope for first worlders to pressure their authorities into sabotaging this lockdownit's getting to a tipping point, it was a terrible idea to let the main browser engine, the main video platform, the main mobile operating system and the main search engine of the entire world be operated by a single silicon valley corporation from the US of A.
>>106444594>if I ask for permission, they might allow me to have nice things.This mindset started this nightmare, brainwashed cattle thinking, herded toward the slaughterhouse.If you want the nicest things, take them. Never ask if you're allowed, especially if you've paid for them. As kids nowadays say "If paying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing."I acknowledge it’s harder this way. True freedom isn't for the masses, but pathological mass complacency. Only true DIY schizos can break free. The rest are okay not knowing better and being slaves, it’s their own affair. I watch them suffer while I eat popcorn, so I gain the strengths necessary to later install gentoo.
>>106443955what about lineage or crDroid?
Get a maid phone
>>106444232we get you work and that's your thanks?
>>106443955we need to monitor your device to protect the children
>>106445114You're a moron.
>>106445448Don't talk to me, slave.
>>106445691>the government said that if you drink water you have to surrender all of your worldy possessions, so simply I stop drinking, unlike you sheeple.
>>106445114>Never ask if you're allowed, especially if you've paid for themBro... fuck man... this hit a little too close to home
>>106445849Yes he decided to collect rainwater himself rather than rely on the government yoke. Why are you this obtuse?
>>106443955maybe just don't own a phone?
>>106445849>>106446913He's likely a pajeet yes-man beatmeat, the perfect slave, genetically unable to challenge autority, always owned by others, never ever by himself.I cannot think of someone more mentally enslaved than these creatures.
>>106447168You are not challenging authority by running away from them. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
The real issue with smartphones is it's mostly opportunists making apps for them, as opposed to Windows where you'll get real software.
>>106444232same, i'd make out with her at the spot. copper thieves are satan, they destroy your community infrastructure to make a quick buck and even bolster drug cartels when they team up in operations. they are destroyers of nations.t. chilean
>>106447529>come with meee! Let's form an Avengers-style team to fight evil!This is your brain in Marvel.I'm not running away, I'm running toward what I want/need at my own pace and in my own way.Regarding /tech/, this means planning and choosing tools to expand what I can do with my current or future gear.If you think freedom requires asking permission, it was over for you before it even started, that's your affair, not my problem. It seems our worldviews are diametrically opposed, so I get why my language is alien to you. I believe that if I want something, I must take it, whoever stands in my way. I'll grind if it's feasible, or choose a plan B if it's too costly. "The world is my playground, there are millions of possibilities."You seem to favor collectivist moves for a tiny, illusory freedom, and, to no one's surprise watching critically for far away, you end up handed a fake, gimped "freedom," like Android now or an IBM/Microsoft-ified Embraced™ Linux soon. A classic case of slow‑boiling the frog.
>>106444047you use to be able to log in to facebook and whatsapp via xmpp clients like pidgin. what the fuck happened?
>>106443993>can't access bankshit>can't chat with anyone>can't use shitty apps for other shit (e.g. public transportation, insurance shit, mobile network app, maps)>>106445114>"If paying is not owning, then piracy is not stealing."absolute cuckold mentality. buying is owning, and piracy is not stealing
>>106443955>How do we fix it?fix what? it's a goytracking/mass infotainment device and it does exactly what's advertised>Can we fix it? Or is it too far gone?"fixing it" would defeat the purpose of a goytracking/mass infotainment device>Where do we go from here?what do you need from a smartphone? see if you can do that on a different deviceif you need goytracking/mass infotainment than I'm afraid you'll have to use goytracking/mass infotainment device because you're a GOY who wants to be TRACKED and INFOTAINED
phone is for calls and texts. all the other tappy touchy stuff is slop that will rot your brain. touch grass instead and it will solve your problems
>>106448024Yes, we agree. Why do you quote me to brag about your poor reading skills?
>>106448051>it's a goytracking/mass infotainment deviceit didn't use to be. you can still run whatever apps you want, load maps, use it to draw, use it to read (drm-free) ebooks, run emulators, etc.
>>106448077>it didn't use to be.Always was like that, way before android even existed.>you can still run whatever apps you want, load maps, use it to draw, use it to read (drm-free) ebooks, run emulators, etc.a laptop is far better suited for all of that, or choose a tablet like >>106444377 point's out, if you're a lost cause.
>>106448109I can't use a laptop to review my flashcards while waiting in lineI can't use a laptop to send an email while away from homeI can't use a laptop to look up words quickly on the goI can't use a laptop to order stuff at a cafe or restaurantI can't use a laptop to pay at the checkoutetc.
>>106444266"Android" is not Apache 2.0. AOSP is.It's 2 very different things."Android" is a trademark that you must get permission from Google to use.They only give this permission to devices which pass the CTS (compatibility test suite) and have Google services installed on them with system rights. GrapheneOS will never be "Android" because it adds features (e.g. revoking network permission) that make it not pass CTS, and it will never preinstall Google services with system rights.>https://partnermarketinghub.withgoogle.com/brands/android/legal-and-trademarks/legal-requirements/>https://source.android.com/docs/compatibility/overview>Why can't they forkLiterally what GrapheneOS is. It's a fork of AOSP.>>106444047>Linux smartphones!AOSP is a Linux distribution. GrapheneOS, LineageOS, Android are all Linux distributions.Linux doesn't always mean systemd+dbus you retard.
>>106443955>>Graphene>>Borderline pointless because Google doesn't GAF about open source anymore>resisting google tracking by forking their OS is pointless"oh no!! smartphones are so bad!! i hate iphone!! i hate android!! grapheneos is ... uhhh ... well it's just pointless because google will stop updating aosp!! and grapheneos will fail then!!"forking literally exists so projects can continue after they're not supported upstream dumbass
>>106448398>t.
>>106448502>grapheneos is ... uhhh ... well it's just pointless because google will stop updating aosp!! and grapheneos will fail then!!Yes that's what I said. Thank you for rephrasing it for some reason.>forking literally exists so projects can continue after they're not supported upstream dumbassWho is supporting it if not Google? This is cargo cult mentality. Besides, Google locks half of the Android ecosystem behind their proprietary Google services that were never open source at any point in history.
>>106444377>CHAD MODE: only turn it on foranon, it's always on.it has been this way for 20 years.https://funnygurusdca.livejournal.com/785390.htmlIt's called a Roving Bug.There's a baseband backdoor.Unless specially designed to not do this, your baseband processor has DMA and can wiretap you at any time.The US Government interdicted and pozzed the ENTIRE WORLD SUPPLY of pinephones because they were specially designed to prevent this.https://archive.is/RWEP9
we thought linux desktop was the war but we have won. linux phone will be the psychic war
>>106449009>Thank you for rephrasing it for some reason.it was sarcastic, maybe if you read it again you will see how retarded it is>Who is supporting it if not Google?aosp? yeah google supports and develops it. grapheneos is completely independent though, the only relationship is it being a fork of aosp>This is cargo cult mentality.this is loser mentality of giving up on aosp because>"muh google no longer develops it !!"grapheneos is a hard fork that syncs down changes from aosp once in a while. if aosp stopped existing tomorrow, grapheneos would continue just fine and still get developed since they own all the code. open source projects don't just stop existing. you're the same type of faggot that buys a new phone the instant it has no software updates anymore>Besides, Google locks half of the Android ecosystem behind their proprietary Google services that were never open source at any point in history.works fine for me, i dont even have play services installed on my phone. all i use it for is phone calls, sms, email, telegram, signal, listening to music, sometimes maps, sometimes web browsing. everything else is retarded and better suited for a desktop.
>>106444047>carb through the painWhat
>>106443955must suck to be a zoomer and literally be unable to function without a smartphone >t. Motorola Razr v3 enjoyer
>>106449107>blah blah blah how dare you slightly point out that the Graphene/AOSP ecosystem isn't literally perfect in every wayWhat is your problem?
>>106449145im not saying its perfectwhat i am saying, is that it's completely retarded to think graphene will die because aosp stops getting updated
>>106449165>what i am saying, is that it's completely retarded to think graphene will die because aosp stops getting updatedOk. That's fine. I literally never suggested that but ok.
>>106449189>I literally never suggested thatyes you did, if you didn't mean to then maybe fucking write better>>106443955>Borderline pointless because Google [...] only ever updates the AOSP with the absolute bare minimum>>106449009>Who is supporting it [GrapheneOS] if not Google?
>>106449063Yeah, I didn't knew the specifics nor wanted to go full schizo in that post. I was about to add that you should also remove its battery if possible, or place it in an RF-shielded bag, in a noise-isolated room, or hack some contraption to disconnect the battery from the outside if it's glued in, which may require good soldering skills, etc, etc... Considering all of that, maybe the best course of action is to avoid using phones altogether if your threat model demands that much care.
>>106449215Ubuntu Touch still exists and is supposed in the form of UBPorts.It's pointless.
There is no contradiction.
>>106449295ubuntu touch at its peak supported pixel 3a about 4 years after it came out. it supports 26 total devices most of which are ewaste in terms of specsgrapheneos supports latest flagship google pixels, most of the time 2 weeks after they release, they are already working on the pixel 10 and it came out like 3 seconds agonot to mention if you need more, lineageos supports 200+ devices
>>106449333ok
>>106443955Waiting on the Librux NEXX.It's desperately needed.
>>106447994Freedom cannot coexist with dependence.
>>106448468Anon is talking about something with Open Source Hardware and Open Source Sofware for a true end user ownership.
>>106449474Ok, but then you should call it that, instead of a "Linux smartphone". It makes no sense since they share the same kernel as Android. We don't call iPhones "XNU smartphones" do we?
>>106443955this girl looks like she stinksi'd make out with her butthole
If phones glow as much as they do (I don't doubt it), how is that certain criminals go decades without getting caught even if they don't have good cybersec? Do those ones only exist to give the illusion that law enforcement doesn't know who, what and where those people are?
>>106449063I don’t believe this for a second, 95% of these chips are made outside the US and someone would’ve raised a fuss. And, a counterpoint for the case in which this is true, they’re not going to use it on you. The moment they use this to bust someone, the jig will be up, every country will start asking the US why it’s been spying on its allies without even letting them in on it. You are overestimating the competence of the government, and the RoI on such a system. It’s infinitely more convenient and reliable to just subpoena google or whatever company for shit on suspected crims. The only way they could make use of such a massive dragnet is with AI that doesn’t exist, and police robots. Otherwise it’s still gonna require Joe Bloggs to sit down, decide that person X is worth looking into out of the 10,000+ people “flagged” by shitty heuristics, and then work through the process of getting them arrested. Historically mass surveillance schemes have basically no impact on arrests made, so either they’re useless, or only used for very specific targets. The closest thing to this would be when the NSA tried to put a bug into every handset sold in the US in the 70s/80s
>>106449063Additionally, your cited references are both targeted attacks on a specific line of phones. What is more likely, the US, ever incompetent, had somehow managed to keep secret a multi-national scheme to compromise all baseband chips, including those used by countries actively hostile to them. Or that baseband controllers are black boxes that rely mostly on security by obscurity and have little scrutiny on their security, and that government actors collect exploits for use against high-value targets.
>>106449594Assuming all phones are fundamentally backdoored (which seems unlikely given the amount of resources the FBI and other intelligence agencies put into running their own “crime phone” ring with backdoored software), it’s likely a result of lack of resources and will. Doesn’t matter how much you know about someone if you can’t get a cop to their house to arrest them, or file the right paperwork to assure a prosecution.
>>106449669They'll use it for discovery and say they got an anonymous tip. It's not hard to use it and then lie about how you operated. In fact, one of the agents can be the anonymous tipper on record.
>>106443955for me, it's HarmonyOS
>>106449594If i had to guess, it's one thing to be able to access any phone and another to know which one is actually theirs.
>>106445216Does whatever this device is actually have the ability to make phone calls?
>>106444378>chromeyou are part of the problem
>>106443955>911she does not live in america
>>106448398Why not?
>>106449063wrap it in tinfoil
>>106443955>>Graphene>Borderline pointless because Google doesn't GAF about open source anymore and only ever updates the AOSP with the absolute bare minimum they can legally get away with.GrapheneOS will be partnering with a new OEM in 2026 or 2027 according to their official Mastodon.
>>106443955i think my next phone will be an eyefoam.>pixel hardware has sucked black cock for like 4-5 years now>pixel 4/5 were the last good fingerprint sensors>android no longer open source>each new version of android exponentially more niggerlicious than the last>google botnet integration a serious security concernat least apple hardware is usable and they tell the FBI to fuck off.
>Where do we go?Sailfish OSI have an old Xperia 10 III and apparently that is well supported. Evidently, it's not "real" linux however, since it can't run Docker.PostmarketOSI would try this, but everything I read seems to indicate it's too tinker tranny to use dailyLineageOSThis is probably where I'll go. Newer Xperias are supported, but somehow it skipped my old 10 III and 1 IVGrapheneOSIDK, maybe. It's shilled so hard here it seems like a honeypot and I have to give Google money for a phone with a hole punch and no headphone jack too. That's really just a bridge too far for me.
>>106453599Oh, and I can't forget.Pinephone Proit has a 8 year old chromebook cpu, but it runs actual Linux and you can even hook into the LoRaWAN with it, so that seems like a fun project but maybe not something I could carry and use for an actual phone.
>>106444377The problem is feature phones also use shit like Android. There isn't one that uses a system dumb enough to not have attestation capability while also being unable to track you. >>106444442This. We lost the last few phones that didn't have 24/7 knowledge on where you were when the 3G networks shut down.
>>106453643Isn't the pinephone an actual scam? Like fairphone levels of 'This is made with the cheapest off-the-shelf chinese parts and we don't even know if those are tracking you or not, but we'll sell it to you at an 8000% markup' scam?
>>106443955I miss liveleek bros
>>106453417>and they tell the FBI to fuck offAbout that...
>>106454005No, the pinephone runs the RK3399, which is the same CPU that shipped with the Samsung Chromebook Plus, which I purchased on launch in 2017 and used as my primarly laptop until it completely died. That was possibly my favorite laptop ever.It's also the same CPU that is in the Pinebook Pro, but unfortunately for me, the quality of the display on that device was horrid and I couldn't look at it for more than an hour without developing a headache.That put me off of buying anything from Pine64 with a display, pinephones included.The Rockchip CPUs are basically the best freedom CPU you can buy at that time. I was able to build and boot the Rock64 with fully open source blobless bootloader. I also managed to work out how to do full disk encryption on that same device. I still have a half dozen of those things. It's a glorious little device for software freedom.The only spying on the Pinephone Pro is likely whatever the NSA installed on them during their trip through New Zealand.
>>106455560>The only spying on the Pinephone Pro is likely whatever the NSA installed on them during their trip through New Zealand.Oh, I just realized, you probably don't know what I'm talking about.https://archive.is/RWEP9The entire world supply of Pinephone Pros was interdicted by NSA because they were just too free of spyware.
>>106445216Is this a TI-84 for phonefags?
>>106444232My spiritual brother. Gypsies do it too. Sex with Tomoko while watching gypsies getting electrocuted
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