>>106459517
Vibe coding is great if you have half a braincell. The problem is people `trust but do not verify`, which is terrible. You end up with broken products, etc. Testing, unit testing, etc all becomes far more important when you vibe code. I still find agentic assisted coding to be an enormous productivity boost, even if I have to spend time making unit tests for everything to ensure it does as I wanted.

and yes there will be times when it's flat out wrong and you go in circles with it and most likely the issue is the context has turned it retarded and you need to simply start over, use a different model, or modify your prompt to be more specific.

Anyway, anti-AI tards are just as retarded as vibecoders who trust and don't verify. Both of you have no future.

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>>106459588
it introduces noise into a codebase, then it reads that noise, extrapolates upon it, and you end up with shit - like the grade school game 'telephone'. moreover, I fakes test results, compilation status, etc. It gets to a point where it's more efficient to just learn how to program efficiently in a given language than it is to use the tool.

>I still find agentic assisted coding to be an enormous productivity boost, even if I have to spend time making unit tests for everything to ensure it does as I wanted.
What are you working on? I find it helpful for front-end stuff, but I think I've learned it's very domain specific. And I believe I'm using it as intelligently as I can, and using non-AI tools like git pre-commit hooks and linters to aid in the process.

I don't think I'm anti-AI but at this point I'm so tired of it that I feel if my codebase was 100% coded by me it'd be a super power. I think it depends on what you do.

>>106459588
Lol, enjoy being replaced in a couple of months by vibecoding jeets who are paid less and don't bother themselves with such silly things as unit tests.
And in a couple of years society will end up in situation where every code base is a vibe coded unsalvageable garbage and most developers are stinky jeet vibe coders who have no idea how to debug or develop shit.

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>>106459909
>every code base is a vibe coded unsalvageable garbage
thats' why I'm trying to KICKSTART the term vibeware

>>106459909
Vibecoding is the new dropshipping. Cursor and Claude are the Wordpress and Shopify of appdev.
Zoomers selling courses on making money off a vibecoded app are already making millions. The big ones are making eight figures.
Expect Hustlers University dudebros to make it part of their FIRE grindset soon.

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>>106459965
that's why I said vibeware, the term needs to take off

>>106459965
Hustler's University, now known as The Real World 2.0, does have AI courses. Although I believe they're related to image and video generation rather than coding, but it wouldn't surprise me if they had vibe coding as well. Their recent ads went all in on AI for a while now, I still see them on YouTube as I follow the Tates' legal troubles out of curiosity.

In case anyone's unfamiliar with the Tate brothers (dunno how that's even possible), please don't pay for their scam courses, you can easily find equivalent stuff for free on YouTube or even the originals on torrent trackers.

>>106459517
I wonder if there's any stats about an increase in issue tickets on github

>>106461367
there are all kinds of data insights into this stuff.
i remember a primegen video where he talked about uhh "churn" basically code that gets submitted but has issues with it, massive spike in those issues.

>>106459771
We'll see >>106456275

>>106460246
I hope 30k is nothing to you.
Otherwise, please stop using leverage or you will lose all your money.

>>106459517
anon which language / libraries do you recommend for this

>>106459909
>enjoy being replaced in a couple of months by vibecoding jeets
two more weeks :)
By the way it's clear you're:
a) underage
b) clueless
c) upset artist/journalist still seething over the "learn to code" comment
The threat of jeets (outsourcing) is more than two decades old.
Vibecoding changes nothing, in fact, vibecoding is far more prevalent with personal projects, unemployed, and startups. Corporations all are much more strict with AI usages due to data ownership. Any respectable corpo isn't going to use a provider that will learn their models on your data. Furthermore, corpos are bound to have code reviews and policies and other measures in place that make vibe coding less of an issue.

Keep seething though. I'm sure all the programming jobs will go away one day if you cry about it enough. Maybe then you can write a blog post again it.

>>106459588
Today I spent all morning fixing a bug that got into my code back when I used AI tab autocompletion. A function parameter got its name changed slightly and that's all it took to make a whole department dysfunctional for a month without explanation.

NEVER have I used an LLM to generate code, no matter how much verification I did, that did not bite me in the ass days to weeks later. I've been at this decades, btw.

>>106459517
Should I vibecode a trading bot do I can get free money forever?

>>106464019
>A function parameter got its name changed slightly
>whole department dysfunctional for a month
Not buying an ounce of your story. A simple code review would have caught this and brought up why you chanced a functional parameter name for no reason let alone regression testing.

>>106464057
Especially the implication that humans don't make typos all the time.
People love to make shit up on the Internet.

>>106462394
Cope. Your people are being replaced as I write this.

>>106459588
>Testing, unit testing, etc all becomes far more important when you vibe code
It was always important.

>>106459771
>I don't think I'm anti-AI
>if my codebase was 100% coded by me it'd be a super power
Racial status confirmed, pajeet

>>106462394
Cope. The vast majority of companies already host everything on Azure or GCP. For them giving all their data to OpenAI (which is co-owned by Microsoft) is nothing let alone to Google. And the few companies that are ultra paranoid will just buy an H200 and run Qwen Coder.

>>106459588
>Testing, unit testing, etc all becomes far more important when you vibe code.
Anyone with a full braincell would use AI to generate said test and test input and manage the actual important part (aka business code) by hand with limited AI assistance.

>>106459771
>it reads that noise, extrapolates upon it
You're definitely right about this. I notice huge differences in quality between codebases. I'm always careful to proofread and edit it to keep quality up or it starts eating its own shit.
I think it works best for situations where the output you want isn't tightly defined. Say drafting out page layouts when I'm stuck, for me to revise.
If it's something I actually care about though it aint touching it.

Funnily enough my client made me sign an agreement that I wont use AI in my work since they were doing a lot of virtue signaling. That was a year ago though, they'll probably change their mind soon enough.