Host the planet edition.Previous: >>106433834.READ THE (temp)WIKI! & help by contributing:https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Home_server/hsg/ is about learning and expanding your horizons. Know all about NAS? Learn virtualization. Spun up some VMs? Learn about networking by standing up a OPNsense/PFsense box and configuring some VLANs. There's always more to learn and chances to grow. Think you’re god-tier already? Setup OpenStack and report back.>What software should I run?Install Gentoo. Or whatever flavor of *nix is best for the job or most comfy for you. Jellyfin/Emby/Plex to replace Netflix, Nextcloud to replace Googlel, Ampache/Navidrome to replace Spotify, the list goes on. Look at the awesome self-hosted list and ask.>Why should I have a home server?De-botnet your life. Learn something new. Serving applications to yourself, your family, and your frens feels good. Put your tech skills to good use for yourself and those close to you. Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.>Links & resourcesCool stuff to host: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhostedhttps://reddit.com/r/datahoarderhttps://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/wiki/indexhttps://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/FeaturesARM-based SBCs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGaVu0sPBEy5GgLM8N-CvHB2FESdlfBOdQKqLziJLhQLow-power x86 systems: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCISFF cases https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AddRvGWJ_f4B6UC7_IftDiVudVc8CJ8sxLUqlxVsCz4/Cheap disks: https://shucks.top/ https://diskprices.com/PCIE info: https://files.catbox.moe/id6o0n.pdf>i226-V NICs are bad for servers>For more SATA ports, use PCIe SAS HBAs in IT modeWiFi fixing: pastebin.com/raw/vXJ2PZxn (embed) (embed)Cockpit is nice for remote administrationRemember:RAID protects you from DOWNTIMEBACKUPS protect you from DATA LOSS
>>106465571Sweet setup OP, made me want to doxx myself as well
>>106459789>>TIL they removed the crab.The RTL8125B (no G) still has it. Suspiciously cheap 2.5G cards on AliExpress and such are usually this chip. The original, large RTL8125 should be hard to find, which is good because it performs like ass and has compatibility issues (not as bad as early i-225V's, but still).RTL8125 (large package, crab) >>106458690RTL8125B (small package, low power, crab) pic relatedRTL8125BG (also small, low power, no crab) >>106458677
>>106465853It's really not mine. My entire setup consists of a Orange Pi 5 sitting in a drawer.
Amuse me for a second /hsg/Is the Intel X520 and it's chip just going to live forever? It's been 16 years now.I bought a Sonnet thunderbolt 3 10G NIC and it's an Intel 82599 NIC inside, they still sell this with the same NIC.The seemingly legit looking X520 I got from ebay was made in 2019Are these ever going to be dropped from the Linux/BSD kernel? Or are they so well understood and bug free you can still use them decades from now?
This is pure sexWhy dont they make this as a NAS? Only the 6 bay
>>106466565Nevermind they do, but without the sexy handles, SAD!
Is there a way to automate the distribution of local SSL certificates among all devices and browsers on a local network? I already took care of HTTPS setup for my public xxx.com domain using letsencrypt and certbot, but how about a local xxx.lan domain? I know how to create local certs, but I don't want to have to import them manually on every device and browser I have, it's too much of a pain in the ass. Is there a way to automate this? Or am I overthinking it and should stick to HTTP instead? I'm running Debian 13 with pihole as default DNS for the whole network, and my machines include Linux, Windows and Android phones.
>>106465853I wish I had a full server cabinet, but I'm pretty fine with my little 10" rack so far.
Disk shelves are fucking expensive. Over $300 for a 20 year old backplane inside a metal box with just 15 slots.You can get an entire supermicro server, 2U, complete with mobo/cpu/ram for around the same price. It's just 12 slot instead of 15. What the fuck.
>>106466105Got a bunch of those cards, small package, surprisingly reliable.
>>106466647This is what a certificate authority is for. Sign all your https certs with a CA and import it manually on each device once.
>>106465571just upgraded to proxmox 9 and PBS 4.other than the installer grenading grub and me having to mount the EFI partition and reinstall, it's gone fine.don't really get what happened but whatever. I caught it before rebooting so didn't have to crawl under the desk and plug in the IPMI port so how mad can I be really?
>>106465853damn this and the OP is crazy. I want to be there.
You guys have cool stuff. I need a bigger house.
>>106467616>grubI hate grub so much I learned to use efibootmgr
>>106466494>>106465853I don't really get why people even want to run rack gear in the home.I get enough exposure to noisy rack gear being in comms room or setting up gear before I take it to the customer to install.I have a mikrotik switch inside my TV cabinet and a single ATX Supermicro.
I got my RAM in and the BMC is blinkingTime to touch the power pins...
>>106467695You really should rotate those heatsinks 90º.
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>>106467695I might get one of these too. I replaced my i5 3570k rig with AM5 finally and I still have the leftover gfx card..
>>106467679To quote someone, "Nerds don't want all this professional grade stuff to do something with it, we just wanna waste time"It's fun to play around with the stuff that's normally "behind the curtain".
>>106467723That would require redesigning the brackets, I'm probably capable of doing that but I'm also more likely to just to get noctuas if I get a new jobEverything seems to be detected and working.For some reason both the BIOS and IPMI is fucking ancient.
>install new nvme>put zfs on it>already 130GB written after just a few daysbros wtf
>>106467977>copyright 2015jesusalso that's a sick keyboard
>>106466647how do you create local certs? i've been trying to host simplex on localhost bit caddy from docker compose always fails
>>106468100openssl?
>>106468002trust btrfs
How much ram should I allocate to a vm that is used only for a samba server? Is 4gb enough or can I get away with less? The vm is running debian with xfce because I figured why not but I guess I could use something more lightweight instead.
>>106459801>Just hold them or are you CI/CD'ing?Just cloning/diffingBut that's a 2.2GB repo, using sqlite and running off an USB stick so YMMV
>>106468276>How much ram should I allocate to a vm that is used only for a samba server? Is 4gb enough or can I get away with less?i have a bananapi r3 mini that operates as a samba server as well as a fuckton of other things and it only has 2gb of ram
>>106467652>efibootmgrI hate efibootmgr so much I learned to use portable ZFSbootmenu.
>>106465571I am feeling the weakness of my lil' Chinese N100 nas board already.I want some dedicated horsepower for my home server, I was tinkering with buying one of the Aliexpress re-listings of a minisforum mitx board, what're the chances it will give everything in my house pc-aids?Price-point appears to resemble what the sold out refurb units were going for on the minisforums official storefront.If you have any other suggestions it needs to be an mItx form factor board - I want to make a 4U mItx multi-motherboard mount for the 10" server rack form factor, I think it would be neat.
>>106469026are you planning on sticking anything pcie in it?
>>106469055Thats kind of why I wanted it, the PCIE 5.0 x 16 slot is really nice, I could toss any modern Pcie hardware into it I want, so it could be flexible with my needs.
sorry for a basic question, i'm only starting to get into serving, is it better to fill drives one by one or spread the files (somewhat) evenly between them?
>>106469087>PCIE 5.0 x 16You are never going to need that.
>>106468013I actually have two of them just because I like the feel of them.The BIOS and BMC is updated now atleast and I have feature parity with my other Supermicro X10 board. You literally cannot use the KVM on a modern system without updating because Java will refuse to run the applet it originally shipped with.
>>106469088How many drives do you have and how big?
>>106469099he could be putting a 5090 in it, although given he's looking at lower pricepoints it doesn't seem likely
>>106469110planning to get 3 drives 4 tb eachwant to build a general jellyfin media server and also store game installers that i got from gog
>>106469099>>106469120I wanted to snag an Intel B60, was originally planning on trying for one of the Dual GPU's until I found out they're going to go for ~$1500, the cheaper board with budget friendly everything else helps me justify going all out on ram, GPU (or other accessories), etc.
>>106465571So now that I have a homelab, I have servers for all the games I play for my wife and friends, we have self-hosted Jellyfin at a quality that surpasses any streaming service, we have self-hosted music streaming with literally every single album we could think of, we have an e-book server that has more books than any of us could feasibly read in decades, we have self-hosted wikipedia and wikis for random things so we can look up anything and we even have self-hosted Deepseek, I feel like I barely even use the internet anymore. When the internet goes down we barely notice because all of our entertainment and 99% of the stuff we use for learning or work is running out of an old server in the closet. I can't believe just a few years ago I was paying for multiple streaming services, over $100 a month, and constantly being annoyed at them removing shows that I enjoyed. This is truly the end for me, I don't know what I could ever possibly need that I would need to pay a giant internet company for ever again. I feel... fully content.
>>106469120pretty sure a 5090 never uses 16 lanes of pcie-5. I haven't seen benchmarks to prove it but it's been a theme for many generations now that you don't need that bus for video cards. there's other limiting factors in their performance.
>>106469123How important is your data going to be?You could do a Raid0 - all data is striped across your 3 drives, so you'll have one large "drive", and accessing data from it will be faster because its pulling data from across the 3 drives at once. (You probably don't need this currently, your hardware elsewhere is likely going to bottleneck you)However, if any 1 drive fails, all of your data is corrupted, no backups.Raid1 will create a mirror (in this case 1 or 2)So you will have your original files, which will automatically be cloned to your mirror drives.If a drive fails, you still have a copy of your data.If you had one more 4tb HDD you could do Raid 1+0You would have a set of drives that are stripped, with a mirror set of drives that are also stripped. Boosted transfer speeds, and a backup.You could also alternatively look into mergerfsIt will let you combine multiple drives into one pseudo-drive, I don't believe it stripes the data, just stores files across multiple drives but lets you access them in one location, if that makes sense. If a drive failed you would still have access to the files on the drives that are working.
>>106469120>>106469184The only realistic use of Gen5 x16 is 4-way bifurcation with Gen5 SSDs.Not that it matters anyway; unless you have perfect copyless I/O going on, you'd be slamming into the system RAM bandwidth limit way before saturating the 16 lanes (~63GB/s).
>>106467326You don't(and probably never will) need a full rack. A full rack is for businesses and/or people who have money and time to throw away.>>106467633W-what do you want to do in my office?>>106467679I don't want to run it in my home, hence no blinking lights. I just moved and don't have a better place to put the rack yet, going to be buying a garage soon.But I AM actually using it for business purposes(and the ~$7k(I think) in it was written off). Renting a cloud server cluster until I can get the rack back online.
>>106469165Based, this is my end goal too. I've been tinkering a bit in my spare time for a while but I just got my first "production ready" iteration of a server up and running. It's a little janky since I tried to reuse old hardware I had laying around as much as possible, but it works. I got a small form factor optiplex at my grandma's house running as an NVR recorder for some security cameras, and another box hidden away upstairs as a NAS to store the footage. I also use it for remote backups of my media collection, and I plan to also use the NAS as a torrent seeding box.Eventually I'll probably buy some kind of small system to run as a torrent box at home (and maybe a minecraft server too), and keep grandma's NAS just for remote backups. Baby steps...Also it seems your pepe was slightly cropped. Here, have the original.
Has anyone sold bigger servers here on eBay and was it worth it over trying to sell locally? I have some older servers I'm trying to sell to get some other equipment
>>106467616https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Upgrade_from_8_to_9#GRUB_Might_Fail_To_Boot_From_LVM_in_UEFI_ModeandThere were documents about grub.https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Upgrade_from_8_to_9#Systemd-boot_meta-package_changes_the_bootloader_configuration_automatically_and_should_be_uninstalled and and if you used the provided script pve8to9 it probably would have warned you too.
>>106468330Maybe the USB, same as the OS, right?
Jesus Christ it's being a pain to find a cheap and good Mini ITX components. Last time I made one it was half the current prices. Then again it was many years ago.
>>106467463So there's always going to be a manual certificate import involved? Fucking hell. Why can't it be like the letsencrypt certs, that are automatically accepted and recognized? Is it because they are a known and trusted entity?>>106468100>how do you create local certs?I've been using mkcert and it just werks
Does anyone have experience buying a wall mount rack cabinet? I am looking for something to hold my network gear in a closet, I was considering this but not sure of what other options are out there: https://www.legrand.us/critical-power-and-infrastructure/cabinets/server-and-network-cabinets/8ru-vertical-wall-mount-cabinet-split-door-42-in-h/p/vwmsd-8ru-42-b
I was looking into options for NASs on a budget but I've been getting quite annoyed by a few factors mostly being cost per drive and raid.I'm at the cusp of saying fuck it, removing the internal battery of my T460, sitting it on its dock permanently with life support, attaching a couple 4~8 TB drives (not sure if to have RAID as I will probably have it on clamshell, wake up from LAN and turn off when not needed) and making that my NAS.I looked at the power usage and it doesn't seem too bad from the image?Is this a bad idea or should I look into investing into a shitty NAS or looking at the local CEX for some mini PCs?
>>106469099Unironically the most annoying thing about AM5 server boardsGive me 2x 5.0 x8 slots instead.Wasting an x16 slot on an x8 SSD is a ballache
Lads, which are quieter, WD Red Plus, Ironwolf (regular) or Toshiba N300?Looking at 8TB models if that matters.
>>106467679>I don't really get why people even want to run rack gear in the home.If police-sims and crime shows taught me anything, it's that people who have racks in their home usually distribute 'za.
>>106471326either stay with that laptop and attach some storage to it or go all-in and build a server. don't bother with mini PCs, you'll probably end up with a dead end motherboard with little upgrade routes.I would not switch off the laptop though, part of it is setting up automation and forgetting it even exists, if you're switching it on and off every day - what's the point? just watch on your desktop thenwith the cost of drive - what I did is get enough storage to get me by for the short term (I actually just reused old 1TB drives) and wait for deals on good, big drives. ended up buying 3x 20TB Toshiba drives a couple of months later when they were around £12-14/ TB price mark
>>106471734I have both a WD Red and Ironwolf and I can tell you the Ironwolf is a bit noisier, but not by much. Toshiba drives are all noisy.
>>106472291How noisy would you say they are in the first place?My NAS currently is composed of a hodgepodge of 2.5" SSDs and HDDs and I can't hear it at all when they're idleing or I have headphones on or I'm in the next room over.
>>106472332>How noisyHave you ever heard a hard drive from the 90s? Toshiba never improved the noise levels.
>>106470468>same as the OS, right?No, I'm using Alpine in RAMhttps://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Diskless_ModeBut yeah the USB probably doesn't help with lots of small random writes, I'm also seeing 100% CPU usage so I don't really know where the bottleneck really is. But it's good enough for my use case and I only sync that repo once a day anyway.Normal use for my projects is pretty seamless.My only gripe with forgejo so far is that it's a bit of a pain to rice.
>>106472586Sorry, I meant the WD Reds, I haven't used regular HDDs in 10 years now.
>>106472880Red/Red Plus is still the classic "Caviar" design, so they should be fairly quiet assuming the firmware doesn't have PWL enabled (the clicking while idle thing).Ironwolf drives have a slightly louder idle, you can hear when they're on close by. Barracudas are dead silent, but, you know, SMR.All of them are silent if you put them in standby while not in use, of course.
>>106473197I currently have 8TB total split into multiple 2TB and 1TB SSDs but I'm slowly running out of space.I was planning on getting a 8TB WD Red to move my less accessed files to and free up some space, but the 16TB Ironwolfs have a better price/TB ratio where I live.But apart from the difference in makes (like you mentioned) I also noticed the 16TB ones are 7200RPM as opposed to 5640 on the 8TB WD Red, I assume that'd make them even louder, yeah?
>>106473649>16TBSorry I have no experience with Ironwolf Pro drives, but I would expect them to be a bit louder than the non-Pro versions.High performance/capacity anything always requires a sacrifice, either price, noise or power consumption.
>>106465571If your servers uptime is less than 311 days, lower your tone when speaking to me.
>>106473875How many unpatched holes?
>>106473887Doesn't matter because the server isn't accessible outside of my home network.
>>106473951uh mmm uh if your server isn't accessible outside of your home network lower your tone when when speaking to mehuhhuhh
>>106473982Check your tone, boy.
