So, it happened AGAIN. We can blame paper launches, we can blame scalpers, we can praise AMD's efforts but the truth is it's simply not enough. MSRP, steam survey figures, you name it, it all stinks.Don't get me wrong, I still have full faith in Lisa Su and the lads, but MASSIVE restockings are desperately needed in September. Otherwise I'm not very optimistic about the RX 9070 GRE, or it outselling the RTX 50 Supers for that matter. Not shipping like this. What do you think, /pcbg/? #RadeIN or #RadeOUT?Some helpful links to numb the pain:https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/9000-series/amd-radeon-rx-9070xt.htmlhttps://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/desktops/radeon/9000-series/amd-radeon-rx-9060xt.htmlhttps://www.instagram.com/amdhttps://jlingz.comhttps://www.youtube.com/@Hardwareunboxedhttps://reddit.com/r/Amd/
>>106467720>Hassan MujtabaOP is indian. It's confirmed.
The 5060 Ti is the 16GB is the first GPU worth buying in over 8 years. That probably has something to do with it.
> NVIDIA’s Discrete GPU Market Share Swells To 94%, AMD Drops To 6%PC gamers are mongols that want only one vendor and fucking it up for everyone else.
>>106467720I don't care my 9070 xt did rape me on price but it was worth it. couldn't waitfag long enough for the 9060.
>>106467720It doesn't help that AMD is willingly rigging the market in NVIDIA's favor by constantly dropping the ball and being a generation behind. Reminder that Lisa and Jenson are cousins also.
>>106467747>mongolsyou mean mongrels
>>106467746Sorry for this typo I was masturbating.
This is good, the more marketshare Nvidia has the less non-compliant and proprietary, anti-innovation bullshit AMD can throw at the market.Hopefully they lose consoles too.
>>106467752>dropping the ball and being a generation behind.no they are a generation ahead or just above par. they also dominate CPUs now. the GPUs could just use a 50 dollar price shave and more stock.
>>106467759Yes.
>>106467775>This is good, the more marketshare Nvidia has the less non-compliant and proprietary, anti-innovation bullshit AMD can throw at the market.I have to give nigvidia kernel access to use their cards. what?
>>106467778> they are a generation ahead or just above par.Ah yes, which is exactly why they keep dropping in market share and failing to meet even AI demands. lmao Of course you pivot to CPUs to deflect lmao
>>106467790>AI demands. lmao Of course you pivot to CPUs to deflect lmaohow are u gonna run your nigvidia server farm without threadrippers
>>106467720At this point why don't AMD and Intel just bow out of the GPU market long enough to force Nvidia into a monopoly, break them up, then start back up again making more GPUs? Sounds simple enough...
>>106467720Oh well. Not my problem. AMD had the opportunity to ship GPUs at MSRP but decided against it.
>AMD decides to charge basically the same price for their inferior cards>Even poors stop buying AMDWow what a surprise
>>106467898I wanted a sapphire nitro 9060 xt but had to get a 9070 xt because it just didn't stock when the 9060 xt came out. I also had a 9070 regular in my cart when that came out for the first 10 minutes but didn't pull the trigger. I really wanted that orange box art but settled for the blue. I guess I at least have a few more raytracing cores.
>>106467870It's hard to believe but AMD is still making money on graphics
>>106467828>continues to pivot to CPU because he knows their GPUs are trashIt's Epyc also retard. No datacenter is running threadrippers lmao.
>>106467720/rug/ bros...
>>106467720this shit isn't real. ask any game developer who tracks the telemetry it's closer to 25%. this is just speculation based on units sold, which most are going into AI datacenters.
It seems a bit crazy to me that AMD and nVidia both use TSMC for their products, since it means they're basically fighting over a finite resource to produce cards while in direct competition for market sales. It seems like the bottleneck - and thus the lack of stock, above-MSRP price gouging, etc - is down to the lack of competing fabrication facilities.
>>106467720KWABOTY
>>106467720Imagine willing participating in creating a monopoly in something you care about. I'll happily run my 9070 XT for years.
>>106467720DLSS was the final nail in the coffin. AMD realized that it needed an equivalent too late.
AMD just straight up lied about MSRP so they need a continued kick in the nuts to stop playing the fucking -$50 on Nvidia. I bought two 5070 Tis and a 5090 at MSRP and I still haven't had a MSRP 9070 XT show up on my alert apps since launch.
>>106467778Is that why their cards have worse performance than Nvidia equivalents while drawing more power?
>>106468693nvidia hides power draw in the cpu. this is why nvidia has a cpu overhead.they also perform the same.
>>106467870i have to assume that the people involved are privy to more information than me and are making decisions that make sense with said information.
>>106467870They get plenty of graphics money from their APUs in handhelds and consoles. The discrete GPUs are secondary to that, but helpful.
>>106468689AMD has such a habit of snatching defeat from the jars of victory that it has to be collusion again
>>106467746How do you justify spending 500€ on a low-mid range card?
radv is like 30-50% faster than windows nvidia driver
>>106467746It isn't. It's a massive waste of money.
>>106469345yet it has never been quantified in a benchmark
>>106467720In other words, Nvidia is a monopoly and it's time to break them up or we'll get another Intel on our hands in a few years once the Chinese step their game up.
>>106469505amd windows driver is already faster than nvidias windows driver and the amd linux driver is even faster than the amd windows driver.
>>106469546notice how you didn't post a benchmark of radv 9070XT competing with a 5090 on average at 4k
>>106467720ITT SEETHEING AMDRONES
>>106467720Its will be close to 0% once super series drop. Its over...
>>106469502That's because you have not checked out Reflex 2 and multi frame generation, raster is close to being obsolete and that card will play anything for the next 8 years easily because of neural rendering
>>106467733I don't see how, indians love AMD just like they love Android, what's the saying?>sars AMD and Android are very good value sars!They're cheap so it fits
>>106467759Nyo he's correct. Nvidia has its mongol army.>NOOOO there's so much land around us, can't you share it peacefully with the rest of us!?>Mongol say "haha conquest!">don't you know that Genghis Khan will get all of the women and not you? It's not in your personal interest NOOOOOO
>>106467720How many Nvidia GPUs are actually in gamers PCs though? I know the company I work for has 25 5080s...
>>106467828Most companies still seem to be deeply I to Xeon servers though
>>106467720>not #RadeON or #RadeOFFOne job retard
>>106467870Monopolies in and of themselves are not illegalIf you're otherwise not doing anything (provable) anti-competitive to your competitors, then your competitors being incompetent and not being able to catch up does not make your monopoly illegal
>>106470217Are any of those computers partaking in the Steam hardware survey?It's the best we've got as a representative gaming PC sample
>>106467720diy market is just 1% or less of the total pc marketthe vast majority of pc enjoyers buy prebuilts where amd is absent
>>106468587tsmc has vacancy. big boy chips like nvidia's ai accelerators are bottlenecked by substrate and hbm supply
Turns out abandoning the high-end market eventually fucks you with the halo effect.Who knew!?
>>106467778>they also dominate CPUs now.especially in the house fire segment
>>106467720Discrete gayming SKUs are just not sexy. Even Nvidia doesn't give a crap. It is dying. /v/tards who can't see that iGPUs are becoming good enough for the masses in most stuff. Even power users are getting fatigue from trying to chase 4K and high framerates on content that is increasingly becoming lackluster.
>>106471188Nope, discrete GPUs are dying and don't make sense for AMD to retain at trying to make a high-end gayming SKUs all when they have little presence in since Hawaii. They rather spend their limited TSMC production lot on more profitable Zen4/Zen5 chiplets.Nvidia doesn't give a crap either and would rather sell more profitable ML/AI-tier SKUs for their production lot if the yields were better.
>>106469928>using framegenwhat does it feel like being a brown person?
>>106467720AMD should stick to CPUs. The only purpose AMD GPUs and Intel GPUs have is slight competition against Nvidia. Also>94%>6%>"Intel's market share for discrete graphics cards is effectively zero as of early to mid-2025."Kek.
>>106467720stop using ai to make the original post for you you lazy faggot
>>106469546Checks out, AMD GPUs are for poorfags and only poorfags still run 1080p or 1440p.
amd lostvulkan lostthat's what happens when you decide to save on programmers and hire indians.
>>106471324actually true. amd have been pouring increasingly more resources into making more powerful APUs each year
>>106471537>vulkan lostVulkan and DX12 are the only APIs even used nowadays.
>>106471537>amd lost>vulkan lostVulkan isn't AMD though, it was based on Mantle but that's it, Intel and Nvidia has just as big of a say and development in Vulkan as AMD.
>>106471537i'm using vulkan in mpv and its also usable by billions of android phones
>>106471563It's even more extreme than that, with zink and dxvk companies don't even have to implement DirectX and OpenGL anymore to get games using those to run on their GPUs
>>106467909Here amd cards are generally cheaper for the same perf, also I will never ever give money to kikedia.
>>106468529>it's closer to 25%WOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO
>>106467720This all falls on AMDOnly way I'll buy an AMD card is if it's free.I started with an Nvidia card and the only time I experienced significant problems with any piece of PC hardware is when I "upgraded" from a GTX 560 Ti to an R9 380 based on a recommendation from AMD evangelists.Oh yeah it was faster but the CTDs and the visual issues in some games make it suck. I held on to it it because "muh AMD fine wine" but every driver just fixed one thing to bring another.>inb4 that was a decade ago, things are betterThey where supposed to be better then too.
>>106467720Don't care, still not using nVidia because it's unusable on Linux.
>>106467720AMD lost the GPU war when GeForce 8000 happened.
>>106467720Just another case of people buying what others have. Will only gain more traction the more we move to the drone-based-society era with India and China unleashing a demographical armageddon on everyone else.
>>106467870>thinking people still give a shit about monopoliesNigger, the number of companies that would've been considered monopolies over 20 years ago is insane. Nothing is being done because it's better for a country to make a ton of money than it is to think about consumers or freedom of choice.If America were to punish nVidia, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Cloudflare, etc. they'd lose the market war to China. Not to mention almost every single politician is either directly paid by these companies or has stocks in them. It's become unaffordable to go against monopolies.
>>106467746It isnt. Too expensive. Too weak.
>>106469531The americans haven’t been able to break up predatory monopolies since Reagan. It’s why they live in a corpo hellscape and will get gutted by chinks but I digress.
>>106467746This is why poors stay poor. Retardation.
>>106471813I had the annoying cursor corruption bug on my hd7950 and that series was generally afflicted with stuttering issues
>>106471813I’ve had black screens and driver hang ups on my 200, 600 and 3000 series cards. None on my RX 590 or RTX 4090, but I know that’s not the case with all 40/50 series cards.
>>106467720>wccftech I can only imagine what an absolute shitshow that comment section is
>>106467870monopolies are trivial to get around nowadaysNvidia would just claim it isn't one because of mobile gaming or some shit
I don't think people stopped buying AMD AMD just do not ship enough cards. Nvidia ship like 8 million for every 1 million AMD ship. Nvidia probably ship too many cards themselves. They have a grand total of two cards this gen and for some reason they thought this would get them to 40% market share? Fucking how. Then the 9070XT is $200 more than it should be.
>>106471954This is also why Nvidias pricing makes no sense. There's like 3x more Nvidia cards in stock than AMD yet they're all more expensive than AMD. You can find 3x as many 5080s but they're all $1000-1400 for the same transistor count as a 7900XTX GCD but that costs $600 now used.
>>106469326By not being poor
>>106469326that's the marketit is what it is
I can get picrel for just about 60€ more than the cheapest 9070xt, or for basically the same price as some of the other more expensive models.https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N507TWF3OC-16GDAnything wrong with this model of 5070TI specifically? im about to just pull the trigger to upgrade from a 3060TI (algo from gigashyte)
>>106467870Because starving yourself to death waiting for someone else dies from obesity is a retarded plan. Nvidia would just be broken up into multiple companies and those companies would be leading the industry.
>>106472270nVidia is in a higher demand. A small company I worked for had 200k nVidia GPUs, most of which were consumer grade. Almost no AMD GPUs.
>>106467720Its just crazy how some people will simply NOT EVEN CONSIDER getting an amd or intel card.I recently got help in /pcbg/ to make a build for a friend living in another country and the build HAD to be nvidiagpu+intelcpuHe has no idea at all about this shit but wouldnt budge an inch about getting an amd cpu or god forbid a gpu
>>106472395It's somewhat amusing how often tech-illiterate normies make better purchasing decisions than supposedly informed hobbyists (none of you redditors are actual professionals) do. Good on him for choosing the only viable option and not getting scammed by AMD.
Honestly it's fine by me. With low market share and low demand I can keep getting one generation old AMD flagships for cheap.
having an asrock b450 is fucking hell fuck you mean i cant buy any of the cheap 2TB nvme's because of this shit?
>>106469928Why do you need frame gen?
>>106467870the reason AMD exists is to shield nvidia from monopoly laws
>>106472395The real problem is the insistence on Intel CPUs since they're objectively the worse option these days unless you find something cheaply that hits some dollar/fps metricm Ive met somewhat computer savvy people who say stuff about AMD CPUs having bad drivers.
>>106472568>they're objectively the worse optionlolAMD *mouse disconnects* CPUs *wifi disconnects* are *I/O failure* garbage
AMD couldn't make great cards during two important hardware generations (Maxwell & Pascal), and they've never recovered since.
nobody wants to deal with shitty drivers
>>106472703This, which is why you should avoid Blackwell at all costs
>>106467720Saw this one, only desktop AMD is close to 30%, they couple Desktop and mobile. How the share would be if AMD used all APUS they sold.? they still have graphics. So in the end this is just data manipulation.
>>106472723i have zero issues with my 5090
>>106467870you haven't been following the Google case huh
>>106472583>things that don't happen.exe
>>106472766did they fix these issues already? last i checked, people were complaining for years about USB dropping randomly while AMD did nothing.
>>106472751yeah selling a few more steam decks is sure gonna change these numbers
>>106472772Never had anything like that on my current 5800x3d or the 2700 before that.
>>106472782No retard, every single laptop chip they sell is an APU.
>>106472824The GPUs in AMD APUs are captured in the survey; they are one of the generic Radeon GPUs.And those shares are shrinking.
>>106472824Oh yeah AMD laptopsTHOSE are gonna change the numbers
>>106467870Why would a monopoly ever be broken up? That sounds like communism!
>>106472983That is where the discrepancy is coming. AMD is 0.7 million Desktop shipments agains nvidias 2.4 close to 30%. them if you add 1.7 of mobile you get this absurd number. so yes the mobile changed the way that you can frame things. >>106472877this is not the steam survey this is DGPU shipings.
>>106473019The Steam survey shows those APUs won't change the fact that NVIDIA is dominating the PC market.
A 4060 Laptop GPU has a larger Steam install base compared to all the Radeon APUs & iGPUs added up.
AMD should invest aggressively in laptops with AI enabled with Radeon and discourage AMD+Nvidia ones.
Lol userbenchmark posting
>>106473071>>106473033The stream survey is showing up for amd users
>>106473130isn't*
>>106471954>the 9070XT is $200 more than it should be.ALL cards are more than they should be you faggot, the whole market is fucked. A 5090 is fucking $3600 in canada.
>>106473130And it's capturing the new Radeon dGPUs, they're just not selling well enough.https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/
>>106473071>A 4060 Laptop GPU has a larger Steam install base compared to all the Radeon APUs & iGPUs added up.NO the AMD APU will change this just you wait they're selling so many Ryzen Ai Max + 395 APUsand just wait until the Framework Desktop numbers come in
>>106473211Those are all too expensive for normie PC gamers.The laptop 4060 isn't even a real 4060 GPU.
>>106471954they shiped .7m to 2.4m from nvdia and nvidia shiped 1.7 in mobile where >>106473171AMD and intel sells APUS and DGPUS. where this graph neglegts that. every single nvidia sold is coulpled with either an intel or an AMD product that have graphics in them. so this graph shows a product already sold>>106473211is not a dGPU you realize that is the problem395 can sell 20 m and will change nothing. >>106473225but you can get a krackan or a lunar lakethat probally will ship more than those 1.7m these quarter that will not count for that number.
>>106473171It's optional and it's not showing up for amd users.
>>106467746>Barely better than a 3070>But saaar it has beutifool frame gen sar best technologyGet a load of this shitjeet
Are AMD's Linux drivers better than their Windows ones?
>>106469326The 7800GTX, which probably released before you were born, was $600 MSRP and it was not top of the line, that was the 7900 (or the 7950 if I remember correctly which was two sandwiched 7900s). That's almost $1000 in today's money, even by the bogus government inflation figures. If you go by gold price which is closer to real inflation, it'd be something like $5000.
>>106467720>NVIDIA’s Discrete GPU Market Share Swells To 94%, AMD Drops To 6% Anonymous No.106467720 [Reply]▶wow it must be true
Everything becomes a monopoly eventually--GPUs, browsers, all technology. And governments will do nothing to stop it as they are in the pockets of the corporations. Human civilization will end at the hands of the competency crisis.
>>106473355Blame the paranoid Radeon owners for declining the survey.Valve has no reason to rig the survey against AMD hardware.Funny how it's capturing Ryzen CPUs just fine.
>>106467720NVIDIA FO LIFE
>>106467720>jlingz.comRework your /sp/ post, sir
>>106469947>They're cheap so it fitsThey're cheap when providing service. They will go all out to show off like niggers though.
>>106473608wow 2.5 things to unpack herefirst "not top of the line" is not synonymous with low-mid range second argumant from inflation needs to classed as a formal falicy like yesterdaythe first video cars i buyded (sic) with my own money was a 7950GT also nta
>>106472277And not having a brain
>>106473650>>NVIDIA’s Discrete GPU Market Share Swells To 94%, AMD Drops To 6% Anonymous No.106467720 [Reply]▶>wow it must be trueAnd Intel vacillates between watching from the corner and licking cum from the floor. Sad really because their GPGPU software stack is more straightforward than anything that AMD has shat out.pic not rel. just the first one clicked
>>106467720>#RadeIN or #RadeOUT?Next time make it #RadeON or #RadeOFF
>>106473171I'm on a 3060, came from a 1650 and both are still on the charts. The market would be a lot less gay if Red and Blue got their shit together.
>>106467720DLSS4 has made non-nvidia cards feel pointless desu, at least for gayming
>>106473800its pronounced "ruh-DEE-yahn", nigga.
>>106473833>DLSS4 has made non-nvidia cards feel pointless desu, at least for gaymingOh they're pointless in other fields too!
>>106473845true enough
Why did everyone fall for fake frames?
>>106473904people like DLSS, framegen is more divisive
Why is DLSS4 available on ALL RTX cards but FSR4 is 9070/9060 Only?
>>106467870nearly all consoles and portable devices use amd gpu.
>>106473993Because they didn't care about upscaling or rt performance until sony wanted it.
>>106472530it's just shows the architecture is capable of nvidia own FIFO solution which allows you interpolate frames without the latent being degraded, based on the state of multiframe gen you can tell that in 3 years we'll get neural rendering ready.
>>106468689>I already spent multiple times more on nvidia then ai would on amd and they won't even lower the price to get my scrapsyou're all fucking retardedWant nvidia to stop fucking you in the ass? Stop buying
i fucking love monopolies, taiwanese ethno-mafia's and cartels
>>106475683this but unironically
AMD just need more time
>>106472378yeah gigabyte used goop on those instead of thermal padsit'll ooze out the bottom eventually
it is sorta funnyfor reasons of stupidity I have both a 5070 ti and 9070 xt and I have had numerous more crashes on the 5070 ti than the rx 9070 xtnot that anecdotes matter but if I am selling one it's the 5070 ti. probably better resale too. but for now my brother is using it
>>106467720I’m not buying another Nvidia card until i’m absolutely forced to. My 2060 had awful drivers, whereas my 7900 XT just works.
>>106467720>https://jlingz.com/Good job, OP
>>106472703This is a meme. It is a cover for fools overclocking their CPU and memory. Just because your CPU overclock endures Prime95/Linpack for 24hour doesn't mean it is "stable". The CPU can shit itself with executing certain code. Graphic pipeline is very sensitive to this and drivers will crash hard.
only an idiot would buy an amd card
As a gamer and ai user/pytorch dabblerWhy would I ever touch amd for gpu?For sucks ass compared to dssl4No frame genNo ai support No cudaNo pytorchIt just seems like a dumb buyMy rtx 2070 years after it launched is actually more powerful because of drivers and dlss upgrades
>>106471611AMD owns a decent amount of nvidia stock so buying an nvidia graphics card makes them more money than buying an actual AMD GPU.Welcome to capitalism.
>>106471548That's a pretty fucking clever strategy tb|h. Why sell a 9060 for $299 when you can sell a 16 core Ryzen 9 with an old 8060 on package for $1200.
>>106472583They finally fixed this issue this February for me. 3 years of random stuttering and usb disconnects.t. x570 + 5900X.
>>106467746For 1080p sure.
>>106467870Because they made almost 13 billion in profit last year? Up over 20% YoY from then?
>>106467770Your cum shall be blessed.
>>106467752AMD has nvidia agents in their radeon division.And it goes beyond “muh lisa jensen cousins” because the infiltrators have been there long before su took over.
>>106480746Why do people attribute overly complicated conspiracies when simple incompetence is the most logical and most likely answer
>>106480761>Nvidia engineer gets hired by radeon>Has more stock options in nvidia, also generally is more fond of his time at nvidia. >Decides to do a little trolling.Wow so complicated.Also your point about incompetence would only make them more likely to be disloyal if they’re coming from jensen’s tightly run ship to jeeteon.It can be both, simultaneously.
>>106480761previous experience, pattern recognition, being white. you pick.
>>106480761how do you suppose nvidia has thwarted amd's plans before they happen? like how did nvidia decide that it was the right move to use the biggest ga102 chip for the 3080 just right when amd has made their strongest gpu generation in more than 5 years with rdna2?
>>106480799>>106480784>>106480780But Nvidia has no reason to do any of that because no matter what ecelebs say about a graphics card most people are buying their gaming PCs from best buy or their local equivalent. The people AMD have to convince to use their parts are Alienware and HP, not us.90% of people wanting a gaming PC walk into their local store and ask the guy "whats good, I have $2000" and then get upsold on a $3000 machine.
>>106480799>like how did nvidia decide that it was the right move to use the biggest ga102 chip for the 3080 just right when amd has made their strongest gpu generation in more than 5 years with rdna2?What fucking schizo rationalization is this? Nvidia would not have made their traditionally strong high-tier card as good as it was if they thought that... AMD was going to suck harder that year?TRYNOTSUCKING
>>106480857>Nvidia would not have made their traditionally strong high-tier card as good as it was if they thought that... AMD was going to suck harder that year?That's exactly what they did for the 4080 and 5080. Both are hot garbage relative to what the 1080 and 3080 are.
>>10646774616GB are totally wasted by the 128 bits bus
>>106467720They have to get rid of Lisa. I can't stand listening to her low energy ass on another earnings call.
i was considering getting a 9060 xt 16gb because it's the cheapest card with decent vram. but i'm probably just gonna get the 5060 8gb because i have a feeling that AMD is going to have quirks that piss me off. for example i haven't played minecraft in years but there's a mod that only works on nvidia cards (because of nvidia's opengl) that vastly increases performance on high draw distance. i expect AMD cards to be disadvantaged in various ways similar to that.
>>106481419Well this can't be good for business
>>106482580Investors shorting AMD to sell to Intel
How long till AMD throws the towel and stops making GPUs?
>>106482019>most valuable goy.png
>>106467720Amd should quit the GPU market, fixing driver issues for 10 years and still no equivalent to CUDA. utterly pathetic. dont tell me "theyre fixed now" i had horrible issues on day1 games 5700xt and 7900xtx. last time i had no driver issues was the HD6950. switched to nvidia never looking back but the poors can keep coping
>>106482731do you expect them to just stop developing graphics altogether?if anything they're rushing udna because rdna got them in this mess, they tried to compete with the 3090 and they lost on features, so the 4090 had no competitor and rdna4 is low effort and monolithic
>>106482641Intel is gonna come out of nowhere due to government funding and some genuinely good ideas that have been starved of funds. Come on guys, we have a war with the Chins on the horizon.>>106482756>and still no equivalent to CUDA.This right here.
>>106482580that looks like a bottom signal 2me.
>>106482731probably not anytime soon since its free money for them. their gpu development is funded by sony and microsoft and will be/is funded by AI investors
