Why can't open source compete with closed one in general
Because other economies can produce your design cheaper and sideline you
>>106469966Aren't Bambu lab printers based on Voron instead of Prusa?
Bambu Labs won, Apple essentially won again lmao. Jeets on suicide watch.
>>106469966Free trade until you can't compete
>>106469966>shitskin corporation declares open hardware thing deadwho would have expected.
>>106469966These companies jumped on the open source bandwagon to please investors and draw talent. When the CEO realized that open source meant everyone, they panicked. If your company is grifting on a few open source designs for a while and suddenly others find out how to put them into production with marketing, then you're too slow. Open source rewards the rapid prototypes, you have to keep on pushing the boundaries and innovating faster than your competition can copy them.Open source has terrible marketing and closed source software will likely win in that aspect. People would rather pay for convenience than get the free option you pay with sweat equity. Even with ChatGPT, people don't want to sweat it at all and still would rather pay than having to troubleshoot why their Wifi isn't working.
>>106469986have yet to see anyone copy's latest garbage designs.
>>106469966Bambu paid for marketing, and released a robust first product that had learned from all the mistakes of previous models. People saw the marketing, bought it, and having never used another printer, will probably never buy anything else, because it’s tard-safe and they don’t care about tweaking it. Conversely, Bambu immediately had all its gimmicks stolen and recreated, and now they’re behind the curve on multi-head designs because they’re trying to keep their AMS thing useful. The laser-cutter printer they made was a joke and a stupid idea that never should’ve left planning.Ultimately, they have nothing hardware wise that other printer manufacturers can’t clone, what they do have is a very competent team of marketers (i.e. they pay YouTubers to shill it to normies, and send free printers to maker types that don’t already have one, so their printers show up fucking everywhere, and the people using them, who’ve only used those printers, and have heard of the tales of printers of old you had to manually level, go “Oh! its so easy to use, you just click a button and it goes!”, as if most modern printers can’t do the same.It’s all marketing
>>106470078It was also because lots of the big players in the industrial sector had patents on many key technologies so the companies in the consumer space tried using FOSS as a wedge against those patents. Failing that, it gave them a moral flavor to their explanations for why they weren't doing certain improvements.
>>106469986So you tariff that other economy. What's the problem?
>>106469966how about those scammers stop pushing for retarded plastic and get some real material like metal or ceramic? Why are we still printing fucking plastic a decade after 3d printing got popular.
>>106471564What if it results in a 2 day disappearance, swelling of hands, unstable gait, and loss of hair?
Because people with skills eventually realize the market his huge and they're doing all of the heavy lifting and actually want to be compensated for being so much better than everyone else.
>>106472041golfing can do that to you
>>106469966Most software we run is in fact open source so your assumption is false.
>>106470078foss and open source are not the same
>>106470003It's a coreXY but the overall design is based on the idea on mass production.>>106470150Bambu made a decent printer that was produceable at scale.To pretend that there was anything else going on besides the utter failure of open-source to materialize such a thing is an utter delusion.It's now understood that the bearded fuck Prusa was quite instrumental in holding the tech back with his "home user" philosophy that sees no one print faster than an Mk3 and that PETG is the most hard-core material you're allowed.
>>106469966i suspect prusa's failure stems from them producing the same garbage printer for over a decade rather than its open source nature
money and greed
>>106469986They do that with closed source just as easily. China is amazing at reverse engineering. Especially when everything is manufactured there anyway and they have free and unlimited access to all of the parts and most of the design.
>>106469966>Why can't open source compete with closed one in generalMoney.
>>106469966Open source is the skill floor, closed source is the skill ceiling. If you can't make a paid product better than what people can get for free your product is shit.Closed source should always be pushing the boundaries of what's possible and open source should always be pushing to improve the minimum viable product.
>>106469966Open Source and Closed Source are not mutually exclusive
>>106469966because instead of making quality products at the best price, he decided to build a meme 3d print farm and sell meme 3d printers made with meme 3d printed parts. all for the meme.
>>106469966>"open hardware (...)">Why can't open source compete with closed one in generalsasuga, /g/
>>106470027they learned from amerimutt
>>106476009In the case of 3d printing, what defines open and closed source is purely down to what can be reproducible.Bambu Labs for example could release all the CAD and software sources for their 3d printers but still be considered "closed source" because it's not practical for the hobbyist to put one together from "common" or easily manufactured parts. Prusa not providing sources on hardware is down to the fact that the design isn't reproducible easily. If you require a manufacturing line to build it or have things like lots of injection molded parts then there is no point in releasing the source.
>>106469986If you read their actual announcement, it's actually about abuse of the patent systems across three countries in a just-so manner that breaks the support for innovation that patents are supposed to provide.
>>106471959milling machines for metal already exist, they just cost way more.
>>106474558It isn't reverse engineering when all the tooling, production engineering, and actual production is done in China by Chinese people. That's just gray market production runs of the actual product that they make. I don't think people understand just how atrophied western manufacturing is and how much is actually done in China. Most western companies just email a CAD file to a chinese manufacturer, who actually figures out how to make it. Nothing real actually happens in the west for most companies aside from distribution of finished products.
>bambu>just werkz>prusa>tinker shitSimple really.
>>106469966Because innovators actually enjoy not starving to death.
so whats the best open source printer in 2025?
The "right place, right time" worked so well for Prusa, that he can be a basedboy midwit, have his management stacked with redditor manchildren and still make money. You wouldn't believe the actual state of their company, especially their IT infrastracture.t. applied for IT Infra Lead job there, bolted when I saw what I saw
>>106469966>companies close source shit> can't be open source company anymore cause shit patented.
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>>106479372Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZTGwcHQfLY>>106480353Sovol SV08 maybe (Voron-based)
Open source and free software relies on free trade existing without that, it won't happen.
>>106469966most software people use is open source
>>106472041>2 day disappearance
>>106469966>Why can't open source compete with closed one in generalWhenever open source beats closed source, then the open source just gets incorporated into the closed source and then the closed source can grow beyond it without contributing back.
