Imagine wanting to be a software engineer in current year
>>106476138>One fewer decent career opportunity for a reasonably intelligent middle class young personHaha lol
>>106476176>still believes dead boomer memes
>>106476138two men boat up river in russia propeller gets stuckluckily a navy diver, a ship engineer and a language speaking scholar happen to be at river bank
I just took $400k tc remote job.
>>106476304Doing what?
>>1064763041. You are in the minority2. You are miserableYou can try and gas light yourself but that's the truth :3
>>106476500Taking it up the ass on camera
>>106476304same but 250ki live in south america so it's king money basically
Graduated like a week ago with a degree in it. I knew it was a bad idea halfway through but I wasn't about to pay for even more schooling to change the degree. Maybe I should have just dropped out but I stuck with it anyway. Future feels very bleak.
>>106476569you know that after CS you can do about million other things that arent just monkey coding? if you for some reason insist on software engineering go embedded, no way AI can ever replace you
>>106476138Imagine watching anime as an "adult".
I understand it may not be as good as it used to be because of AI and jeets, but as someone who's currently graduating in a meme field (philosophy) I'm jealous because on job searches IT is like the most common word. Doesn't matter if it's internships, entry-level jobs or whatever, it seems like companies are always looking for someone of that field. Meanwhile I have to look hard for any position in my field and I'm not even qualified enough for any of them.So if you feel bad remember there are retards like me who are 25 y/o with nothing to show for it. My only hope is to pursue my ambitions in writing or get some half-decent masters degree. Other than that I'm doomed, fucked, and would happily trade places with any average cs grad.
>>106476827What are some of these things?
>>106476569Why do you think it was a bad idea?
>>106476915if you can't answer that question yourself after 5 years of learning in CS, maybe you should actually switch your major halfway through.
>>106476872What is a position in your field?
>>106476872Doesn't philosophy translate fairly well into studying law?
>>106476827my degree was specifically in software engineering since my school didn't have a general compsci degree lol
>>106476138THAT'S ALL THEY CAN DO - IMAGINEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>106476138stop making fun of me :(
>>106476940So, you don't actually have an answer then.
>>106476944Obviously being a philosopher is not a real position and so nobody would write "philosophy" on their job offer, so the options are very broad, abstract and kinda depend on something else you're good at. But the most straightforward career would typically be academic research at a university, which sucks because they're usually restricted to one or two years with shitty pay and often require a masters. Career in humanities is notoriously difficult, extremely competitive and is rarely worth the price unless you're lucky and good enough to become a professor.I've also heard of philosophy grads working as a consultant or "in media" (whatever that means), which kind of baffles me because from what I've seen they want someone with real experience and a background in finance, project management etc. I suppose it does depend on good connections too. >>106476956Perhaps it does, but studying law would be another 5+ years at the very least wouldn't it? I'm not sure if I have the capacity for it. My friend has studied law and it's brutal.
>>106477157You are here, are you technically literate? Somebody who can write code and has a philosophy degree is still nice.
>>106476138imagine not larping as a freelancer in the current year
>>106476872But at least you know the Frege-Geach problem.
>>106477182I suppose I'm "good with computers" for normies but nope, I can't code. I'm open to learning it and have been meaning to get into cyber security more seriously which is something I delved into just a little bit, but I don't want to assume I could get a job with random certificates just like that when there are millions of others that are more qualified with real degrees and experience. I'm taking a gap year between now and my masters next year. My plan is to wage slave while focusing on getting more practical skillsets and maybe internships if I'm lucky, so I do have the time, but I don't wanna half-ass things. I'm still unsure where exactly I wanna go in the future. >>106477237Philosophy was cool for a bit, but at some point I really lost all interest in 90% of what it has it offer. All of these "dilemmas" are so pointless and the only philosopher I still care for is Hegel. Who knows, maybe I could go to Asia and become a layman expert for German idealism. Only upside to studying humanities is the amount of women in your courses. But I suppose that only means something for people who aren't autistic retards like me.
>>106477353Why are you getting philosophy degrees if you see no future utility in the degree. Like, can’t you just study philosophy on your own
>>106477395>Like, can’t you just study philosophy on your ownnigga you can study almost anything on your own
>>106477353>I really lost all interest in 90% of what it has it offer.You are right.Just looked up the Frege-Geach thing the other anon mentioned.That's what passes for "philosophy" these days?That's not philosophy.That's mental masturbation.
>>106476872Just curious, what do you think would happen?If your only real career options are in academia, that's the very definition of a ponzi scheme.Not to demean philosophy, it is extremely important and we are who we are because of it, but sadly our current world is not ancient Greece. You really didn't think this through, did you?Get a masters with value. Monetary value.
>>106476138It feels comfy working from home
>>106477395You obviously can, but I had a general incentive to go to college and I was genuinely fascinated by philosophy at that time. It was only until my 3rd year that I realized it's not something I wanna build my future on. I had some classmates who were noticably more passionate about the whole thing and are probably pursuing a phd there. God bless them. But I can't see myself doing that. I have developed a distaste for academia in general overtime.>>106477429Mental masturbation is not necessarily a bad term because reading and writing about these texts does actually train your ability in logic and abstract arguments. A lot of them are tough to get through, so I wouldn't say it's easy. But yes the content itself seemed pointless to me, I never cared about ethics to begin with. I mostly focused on political philosophy, epistemology/science and some existentialism.Analytical philosophy at the very least can be a good crossover to STEM because it has a lot to do with formal logic and some maths and is usually a big filter for freshman students. I remember there was a online exam on logics during lockdown and almost half of the students cheated by discussing the solutions on discord, lol. >>106477457>Not to demean philosophy, it is extremely important and we are who we are because of itI would actually disagree with that.>Get a masters with value. Monetary value.Such as? I honestly struggle to think of any.
I think if you want to read a philosopher pick one cause otherwise its too much of a time sink. Luke smith is a philosopher and he doesn't impress me much.
>>106476827let me guess, sophmore year?remember this post when you hit your 1 year of unemployment after graduating. you are a moron.
Tbh people think creative but logical must be philosophy but really why cant it just be regular art.
>>106477623Ethics is literally about how to live your life. You don't need anything else. Academic philosophy is rotten but at least it's taught you how to read and think. Go back to Plato, Aristotle and the hellenistic philosophers. And if that doesn't do it go through Buddhist and Taoist philosophy. You will be happy, live a meaningful life and you won't need a "career" in programming to cope with existence.
>>106476872I've heard history majors have decent job opportunities even though historian jobs are rare.
>>106476304Didn't know onlyfan was paying that much
>>106477886That would be new to me, but perhaps they do have a decent chance working at archives and museums, which I personally wouldn't mind doing either. But you know how it is these days, a bachelors isn't worth shit in most aread. You're supposed to have at least a masters and three magical years of experience for entry level positions.
>>106477353Good idea. A few things, skip anything Linux and focus on Windows internals if you want to get serious about Cybersecurity. You can start now.Learn some C++, read the WinAPI docs. This will get you very far.Zoomers are too obsessed with Arch and whatever fancy thing is out.
>>106480073Ty, I personally don't have a big interest in Linux but I do notice it's becoming a bit more popular among public service and government agencies. I'll see what I can do, one step at a time
>>106477353>I still care for is Hegelvery based altbeit Kant and Heidegger are worth taking seriously too
>>106476872Am in a very similar situation anon, but academic phil (or at least the department I was in) was so depressing I dropped out after 2 years of undergrad and have been alternating between waging and neeting since. So am a 24y/o with even less to show for it than you. I also went into it with a genuine interest and desire to learn as well decent understanding of at least the broad strokes of most major stuff the history of western phil (or at least more than 75% of the people on my course at an upper russell group uni) and a vague "oh yeah I guess I'll do a masters in this" attitude, which, obviously, was not the wisest. I have been seriously thinking about getting some sort of qualification in cs or adjacent at something like the open uni here in the UK. But am also extremely aware of 1. how shit the job market seems to be 2. how bad the whole industry is here in the bong prison island 3. I will be coming at it from a significant disadvantage to your average cs grad. I do have an interest in cs as well, or at least tinkering with emacs, very much as a hobbyist though. I have been going through https://learnaifromscratch.github.io/accelerated.html and do find it satisfying and fun, but its hard to stay motivated with the above in mind. But, as you were saying, I genuinely can't think of another industry/field that offers (at least in theory) the level of problem solving and system building that cs or adjacent fields do, combined with the ease of access to high quality learning material (unlike law or medicine or smthng). idk, I am painfully aware to the extent that this may all be delusional cope and it really is over. But other choices aren't really forthcoming atm. what >>106480073 said is interesting though. As of now, my plan is credit transfer from my failson phil degree into https://www.open.ac.uk/courses/combined-studies/degrees/open-degree-qd, take maths/cs courses that seem the least shit, and do the learnaifromscratch course above CONT BELOW
>>106482498and https://www.mathacademy.com/ to patch up my shitty maths. After that idk, maybe try internships but idk where to really look for them. doing a masters in cs, if i am even able to get on one, seems like a very expensive gamble, dont want to be stuck in a rich jeet creche. I would very much appreciate any anons input, especially in britbongs, even if my best option is just to rope.
>>106482498Ig it's good to know there are other people like me out there, and I can assure you the job market in my country (Germany) is about as doomed as anywhere else. It seems to be a global and generational thing. Us zoomers are even worse off than millenials back then.I cope by thinking about how even people who put in much more effort than me are still struggling to find anything. The "just learn how to code bro" days seem truly over for everyone rn, but as you said what else can you realistically do? I'm not sure what it's like in the uk, but where I live internships for people that are not in college are very rare probably because companies would have to pay you in some way. So getting experience AFTER graduating is somehow even harder than during college, lol. 99% of internship offers say "must be enrolled". Fucking shoot me already. I've been semi-neeting this whole time while writing my bachelor thesis but I cannot afford that anymore because despite living with my dad I've got medical bills to pay and stuff like that. So now I have to find a wagie job asap just to not get anal fucked by the state and live like a slave. I truly hate this timeline.
