>>106481242
How do you launch wine apps from a TTY, without a DE? I know you still need a display server, but what do?

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How long can I go on using Debian 11 for? If companies pay for extended support, doesn't that mean you get the updates too?

>>106481298
I doubt it. What are you using Debian 11 for btw?

Is there a system tray "box" like there is on Windows 7? I am using Mint. The icons on the right just spread all over the place rather than stacking into a toggeable box like on Windows.

>>106481584
There is on any distro with KDE Plasma. The sooner you get rid of Mint, the better.

>>106481597
I did try KDE with Fedora but it's genuinely ugly as sin no matter how i config it. A genuine eyesore like Gnome.

>>106481297
you could run it with a display server, like "gamescope wine <something>" will work from a tty, because gamescope is itself a wayland compositor, it can be run standalone

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>>106481628
Plasma is highly themable, so if you really like Cinnamon's flatter look, it ain't hard to replicate. But for me, it's gotta be AeroThemePlasma.

>>106481669
That's a lot better. I dislike modern flatshit so much. Will try aero!

>>106481662
I've got a mad scientist experiment planned with a Raspberry Pi and box86. Should I use Wayland instead of xorg?

>>106481298
Until the end of time
https://snapshot.debian.org/
You won't get any updates after they scrap it from regular mirrors

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I've seen people ricing the steam deck of all things since it runs linux. I read it's based on arch and it uses kde but can you really run a wm on top of kde? isn't kde in itself a wm?

>>106481678
Glad you like it! There's a guide to install it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9EM1VbbXLY

>>106481798
SteamOS is an immutable fork of Arch that uses KDE for its desktop mode. The main mode is the Deck's big picture mode, but you can switch to the desktop mode quite easily and install things to it via Discovery installing Flatpaks.

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>>106481807
So i get to the part with
$ chmod +x compile.sh && ./compile.sh
$ sh compile.sh
But all i get is pic rel no matter what i do. I am confused.

>>106481866
No cmake compiler could be found? Did you install all the dependencies first? The pinned comment lists all the dependencies for Arch, Fedora, and Debian/Ubuntu.

>>106481885
What if i am on opensuse?

>>106481844
right but what happens to plasma once you install, say, i3?

>>106481946
You're gonna have to look at all the dependencies and find out what the equivalent packages on OpenSUSE are called.

I'll do my damnedest to sort this out for you, gimme a tic.

>>106482007
I'll see what i can find. Thanks for the help. Hope there are equivalents at all.

>>106482046
So far, I'm finding that most of the Fedora dependencies are similarly named on OpenSUSE. The two distros share RPM roots after all.

Try installing the Fedora dependencies, and tell me which ones could not be found.

>>106481866
the 2 lines you posted are equivalent, you need to run only one

Trying to install linux. I've downloaded the debian dvd and used rufus.exe to put it on a usb. I've rebooted, and in the boot menu selected the usb. Now I have a black screen. I suspect it's running on the onboard graphics (ast2600 bmc), even though there's nothing connected to the vga. I have my monitor connected through hdmi to a displayport adapter to a nvidia quadro rtx 4000.

What can I do? I do not have a vga cable or vga capable monitors.

>>106482304
Okay, nevermind I just connected to the bmc instead and will install through there. One question, though, is there a way to force it to use the nvidia card? I'm worried during installation it'll take the current configuration as the default and not bother installing display drivers, so even after installation I'll be left with a black screen.

>>106481866
I believe this should sort out your dependencies:

sudo zypper install --type pattern devel_basis && sudo zypper install cmake extra-cmake-modules gmp-ecm kdecoration6 plasma-framework kf6-karchive kf6-kcmutils kf6-kcrash kf6-kglobalaccel kf6-kguiaddons kf6-ki18n kf6-kiconthemes kf6-kio kf6-kirigami kf6-knotifications kf6-kpackage kf6-ksvg kvantum-qt6 kwin libepoxy libplasma6 ninja plasma-wayland-protocols qt6-qt5compat qt6-multimedia qt6-svg qt6-virtualkeyboard qt6-wayland wayland

>>106481669
Can you make it look like Windows 2000? If so, how because I'd love that.

>>106482366
>Can you make it look like Windows 2000? If so, how because I'd love that.
Nobody has made a notable theme for kde plasma that does that.

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>>106482366
>>106482376
Idk about Plasma, but there is xfce-winxp-tc for Xfce, which includes the Windows Classic theme.

>>106482400
That's XP not 2000, I thought 2000 has a different looking classic theme.

Is there something like msi afterburner for linux?

And how do I monitor my gpu and memory temps? I'm used to hwinfo64 in the corner.

>>106482471
>Is there something like msi afterburner for linux?
Yes mangohud.

>>106482492
Oh, sorry, I should clarify I mean for easily and conveniently changing power limits, clock speeds and fan curves.

What about something like hwinfo64 that resides in the system tray but has icons that tell you the temp at a glance?

>>106482530
I think you can change your clocks in your GPU vendor's control panel. Plasma also has widgets for temps and stuff that you can put on your system tray.

>>106482576
Very nice, thanks anon. Do you know how to make debian use my nvidia gpus? I just finished installing debian with kde, and I'm booting to a black screen.

>>106481063
summers over kids are back to school

>>106482576
Okay, connecting via the bmc, I can see the login screen, and after logging in, I've got display output. But how do I make it use my gpu first so I can actually see stuff before I log in?

>>106482599
Something with nomodeset in kernel parameters. Google can help.

>>106482599
>I'm booting to a black screen.
Apparently that's normal with NVIDIA. Just give it 5-15 minutes because it's doing some stupid first-time setup. If you still get a black screen then you might've installed the wrong drivers lol

>>106481242
imagine being at computers

>>106482615
Thanks anon, I have no idea where to start looking on linux troubleshooting so pointing me in a direction helps a ton.

>>106481669
what the fuck is this real

>>106481298
i think another 2 years or 4 years before it gets archived and drops all support
You might want to consider switching distro if you're staying on debian 11 for the i386 architecture. Or maybe someone will volunteer to maintain the missing pieces for debian 12 i386

>>106482622
It's seeing the ast2600 in my system and using that as the primary 'gpu'.

>>106482640
AeroThemePlasma is the real deal.

>>106482366
There's a chicago95 theme for xfce and some other desktops but its more for the win95 appearance than 2000 though the differences between them are minimal

>>106482636
iirc, first you gotta boot with nomodeset, then install the proprietary drivers/remove the foss drivers. Then it should boot normally.

Been a while since I have used anything but Intel iGPUs.

>>106481798
I wonder why he didnt use sway instead of i3

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>>106482678
Uh, okay, so I disabled the virtual monitor so that it'll display on my physical monitor, but everything has disappeared... How do I get the taskbar back?

>>106482701
Are you on plasma Wayland or plasma xorg?

>>106482718
I'm not sure. I'm trying to switch from windows to linux for performance reasons, but I haven't studied linux extensively. I just used the debian installer iso that's 4.7gb, and selected kde over gnome in the installer.

>>106482325
You can blacklist the onboard graphics

>>106482348
thanks, will try!

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Should I add myself to the sudoers file? Would there be any risk in doing that? I switched to a tty but forgot I disabled the virtual monitor so I can't switch back to it anymore.

>>106482744
Thanks anon, in the modprobe.d blacklist conf?

>>106482743
Tbh I'd rather use something else if I were you. Debian isn't the most user friendly for noobs. Start with Ubuntu instead, or Kubuntu. They have better driver support.

>>106482684
probably easier to find documentation and dotfiles for i3. with that said I don't know how that would work on wayland

>>106482701
maybe the panel and stuff were "tied" to that other monitor. try right-clicking on the desktop and see if there's an option to "customize widgets" or something, and there should be a "restore to defaults" button that should recreate the standard desktop configuration

>>106482796
Doesn't ubuntu come with a lot of bloat?

>>106482788
>Thanks anon, in the modprobe.d blacklist conf?
Yeah i believe so. I don't remember what name you need to use though.
And regarding your sudo question, do as root

usermod -aG sudo "$USER"

and log back in

>>106482797
Theres not much difference between i3 and sway in configuration its close to being 1:1 in compatability

>>106482743
Yeah Debian does take a little bit of work. While you can use it as a desktop OS, it's primarily made for servers in mind and everything else is kind of incidental. Debian for instance defaults to ext4, which is great for servers (and still superior to NTFS), but Btrfs is just better for desktop use. We'll help you get Debian up and running, so don't worry.

Since you've been playing around with multiple (virtual) monitors, perhaps your taskbar is drawing onto a different (virtual) monitor? Try pressing Start+P to pull up the video out selector; it works just like in Windows.

>>106482832
>Would there be any risk in doing that?
I imagine there's a reason they didn't put me in there on installation right?

>>106482848
A decade ago, I used debian for my hypervisor. But I spent most of my time in the guests, and I've forgotten nearly everything.

>>106482796
The whole Ubuntu family just isn't good, man.
>>106482817
Yep. If you want up-to-date distros with minimal manual configuration needed, CachyOS has some of the best onboarding of any mutable distro. Aside from not coming with Pamac preinstalled, CachyOS has absolutely 0 setup.

>>106481242
Fedora KDE newbie here, switched from windows about a month ago. Can you guys recommend some good kde themes?

Hello anons, I have a bit of a problem.
When I was a teen I inherited my mom's Nokia Lumia (Windows phone) after she bought herself a new Huawei phone. I used it for many years until I got a new phone and it has largely sat in a box, forgotten, since then.

Today I got the idea to check if the little machine still works and to retrieve any data I haven't already. The phone still works well and it has many old images that I haven't backed up anywhere, I forgot to do it back then because I was tired and lazy.

Now I have a problem, my system can't see the device, lsblk only shows the disk inside my laptop and its partitions - no external devices are recognised even though the phone is plugged into a healthy USB 3.0 port via an equally healthy cable and data transfer through USB is enabled on the phone. Even my file manager (Thunar) doesn't see anything except my laptop's filesystem.

I am running Arch Linux that is 2 or 3 weeks behind the latest updates, if that information is relevant. I didn't update because the mirrors were getting DDoS-ed, I wanted to wait it out.
I will do an update now, just in case.

What should I do, anons?

>>106482860
>I imagine there's a reason they didn't put me in there on installation right?
Its a bit of a legacy thing but the installer would've said that if you don't enter a root password it'll setup sudo and automatically add you to the sudo group

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>>106482848
After rebooting, I switched to 'laptop' screen, but there's nothing there.

I think I'll try to blacklist the ast2600 first, kde is make it very hot.

>>106482901
Thanks, that's good to know. Makes things a lot easier if I'm admin.

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>>106482879
I like klassy for window decorations, you can fine tune almost every aspect of it through GUI
take a look into a binary application style called vinyl as well

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does anyone have an idea about how to remove the shadow below the panel on kde plasma?

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Alright... I've made a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ called blacklist-ast2600.conf with the contents:
>blacklist ast
Since that's the module that was reported in lspci -k.
I then ran update-initramfs -u as root and rebooted...
But now I fail to boot properly, and it's still using my ast2600.

I think I'll go to sleep and install ubuntu tomorrow to see if that's any better.

>>106483113
Actually, now that I shut it down, I realized it may actually have worked in that it could have been using my quadro. Compared to >>106482908, you can see the monitor light on the lenovo connected to the quadro is white instead of amber. It's doing something. Just that something is a black screen.

>>106482885
Nevermind anons, I used the Android file transfer for Linux (android-file-transfer package on the official repositories) and it worked perfectly.
I spoke too soon.

Oh well, if anyone else will have this specific problem in the future, at least my solution will be archived by 4plebs and the like.

>>106483163
I never get any search results from here though. Write it as a reddit post or something for posterity's sake.

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I got all of my work applications working through wine, open RGB added support for my fan's controller, my AIO screen works with coolercontrol, I no longer need a Windows VM. I am free

>>106483092
I think you can get a modified breeze theme without the shadow directly from that "get new" button on the system settings page, search for "no shadow" there

>>106483194
What do you mean anon? Is it the text formatting?
I'm sorry, but I don't really understand, I try to stay away from reddit as much as I can and I'm generally not too keen on mimicking reddit-style writing.

If you mean it as in posting my issue on a tech-related or Linux-related subreddit, then I'm afraid you're out of luck as I have no desire to create an account on that site. I had one briefly many years ago, but I deleted it when I saw the site was going to shit. However, you are correct in saying that if I did so, my solution would be way more visible on the internet.
Your suggestion is reasonable, so I will consider the possibility of creating an account on the Arch forum in the near future (I dislike everything requiring an account, as creating one often requires giving lots of personal information nowdays).

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>>106483209
thanks for the suggestion, but it's either the download links are broken or it just didn't work like how I expected it to be. I have found that it can be customized through panel colorizer though

>>106482366
There are a few win2k themes, but honestly the best I've seen were for Xfce and Trinity (fork of KDE 3).

>>106482879
This is a VERY subjective thing anon. Just go to the "Global Theme" and "Get new", and sort by downloads.
To me, the default "Breeze Twilight" theme is the best. But I prefer light mode over dark mode (for content).

>>106483427
>posterity's sake
>Oh well, if anyone else will have this specific problem in the future
Yeah, just anywhere that the search engines will scrape and return as results near the top. Arch forums are good too. 4chan doesn't really appear as search result for problems and solutions.

Is there an actual reason to use gentoo outside of meme reasons? I mean there obviously is but all I see are memes

>>106483668
It's just a meme and a waste of time

>>106483668
zfs works better because you're compiling it with the kernel anyway. I think picking and choosing what software you want to run untested is easier since you just change a use flag and there's less likelihood you'll run into incompatibilities since you're compiling it.

the cflags are kinda moot and the use flags are kinda necessary since youre compiling from source and don't want to waste time building features you don't want.
for the most part it's negligible benefit in terms of both disk/ram usage and execution speed.

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Why are GTK dialogs so dogshit slow?

>>106483668
What Google uses it for, semi-custom appliances.

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Who is using OpenSUSE on 32-bit these days? Why are they still supporting it with the latest kernel and packages? How is it viable? Even Debian dropped support for it.

>>106481966
You can't install extra packages like the i3 window manager (unless you build and install it in your home directory which is theoretically possible). The people "ricing" the Deck are likely using custom firmware which you can flash with ease because Valve doesn't lock anything down. It's basically a little mini PC in your hand.

>>106484164
Most likely they don't have the release blocking requirements Debian had. When Debian supports something they mean it. That means an architecture that has broken packages or build issues can prevent and block releasing updates for all of the AMD64 users most of which don't even own a single 32-bit system anymore.

Probably some hobbyist at SUSE is bored would be my guess. It's not hard to provide 32-bit images, supporting it and keeping everything building is the hard part.

is fscrypt (for btrfs) ever going to be done?

>>106481421
I have old computers.

>>106481752
I won't want to use it online once there's no more security support.

>>106482647
I'm lazy and generally stick to the same distro version for years. I am not sure if they will include i386 when they transition bookworm from security team to LTS team.

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>>106484260
Maybe but just use LUKS instead. Fscrypt is only useful in some niche scenarios.
https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/software/general-linux-open-source/1567117-btrfs-sees-urgent-fix-following-recent-reports-of-log-tree-corruption?p=1567307#post1567307

>>106484259
I'm curious how long it will last. It's not even the LTS version. I'd use it once Debian 12 no longer gets security updates.

>>106484164
I'm using opensuse aswell! very comfy distro, i'm on tumbleweed.

I want to learn to be a computer magician with self-hosting things, making scripts, connecting my phone to a desktop, windows manager etc. The problem is that at the moment I can only dedicate an old laptop to try it out. Which distro should I choose? Mint? I also need the support for various language keyboards

>>106484260
Not any time soon. Consider ceph or zfs if you actually need directory encryption.

>>106484362
Bluefin or Aurora, depending on if you want GNOME or KDE.

>>106484362
arch or debian.
probably just debian tb.h. mint is complete ass. i'm frankly tired of people recommending it when debian exists.

>>106481242
>update shitfox
>suddenly the main process consumes twice as much memory and stutters
fuck i really dont want to use chrome but everything else is so bad

>>106484106
Zenity uses gtk4 now
You can thank GNOOOOOME
If you really want to you could switch to kdialog instead. Or use something like rofi/dmenu

>>106484382
You gotta calm down with the shilling. He said he's using an old laptop which means its probably going to struggle with gnome or kde
>>106484384
Mint and ubuntu are just debian for newbies. If you're not experienced enough then its not a good idea to switch to debian since theres a lot of manual work involved

>>106484525
>he's using an old laptop which means its probably going to struggle with gnome or kde
It depends on how old. Both ran fine on an old shitty laptop I had.

>>106484525
a laptop would have to be incredibly old for gnome to be slow, like well beyond 10 years old

Thinkpad t480 with i5.
I used to use Debian for a while on different machine, after the big new version release, idk, year or two ago, but get bored quickly
I do care about easy to set up dualboot though

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is there a file picker with built-in good search
i want something similar to Listary on Windows: when prompted to select a file, a search box appears that very quickly fuzzy-searches across the whole filesystem and then you can select what it found right there

Xubuntu has this version of minimal installation, and it sounds interesting. The Odin Project recommends derivatives of Ubuntu

What the fuck is xlibre? I thought everyone was moving to wayland

>>106481298
Sexy mouse

>>106484912
It is the last stand of X11

>>106484497
For your own scripts you can do that but you often have no control over it if it's some other script or application calling it (e.g Steam).

I guess you just have to wait 4 seconds longer now.

>>106485027
I swear these X11 stans are the boomers of linux

>>106484912
I'll be on Xorg/Xlibre until Wayland stops being shit.
i.e. forever.

>>106485077
Well it's the boomers of Linux that also brought us Wayland. They're just stuck in their ways.
>>106485087
You could say the same in reverse. I will keep using Plasma Wayland until Xorg/Xlibre stops being shit.

We shouldn't pretend that either Xorg/X11 or Wayland is perfect, neither of them are but at least Wayland is slowly getting fixes and improvements to it.

If the XLibre people want something modern that normal people will want to use then they've got a lot of catching up to do.

>>106484362
If you truly want to learn and understand the art of magic, you should install Arch Linux. It's not a meme it really works just like magic.

>>106481798
KDE is a software suite, Plasma is a desktop environment and kwin is the window manager it uses.

>>106482817
>bloat
is a meme. Even an install of everything in Debian amd64 only takes 688GB
https://www.debian.org/mirror/size

>>106485193
uuuh