Lifetime windows user hereI just bought a new laptop with linux debian 13 and I regret it now because I started fearing security issues for someone who is not an expert. I should have probably bought a mac.My goal is the highest security and privacy without the need to be a highly technical userShould I just install windows on it and maybe get a mac later?
>>106498849>I started fearing security issueswhy
>>106498942A bunch of posts by redditors who are linux sys admins said that linux is way less secure than mac and windows for the average user. I dont think I want to study linux and have no life. I just want to use a computer, not live for the computer
>>106498849It's just like Windows and Mac, just update every once in a while and you'll be kept secureDebian doesn't have any special backdoors or pitfalls that you need to be an expert to avoid. Just be extremely careful when doing stuff as root (avoid it as much as possible except to run apt)
>>106498974>A bunch of posts by redditors who are linux sys admins said that linux is way less secure than mac and windows for the average user.why did they say that?oh, you don't know? you're just taking some random strangers at their word?interesting
>>106498997Hey friend, did I choose the "wrong" OS? Should I have taken mint or something?About the root thing. Does it mean the user with admin rights and should I avoid using it?Do I need to install firewall and antivirus?
>>106498849>I just bought a new laptop with linux debian 13Tell us where you bought it Jay, Literally nobody sells laptops with debian pre-installedObvious bait is obvious
>>106499012https://novacustom.com/product/v54-series/I found it by looking laptops with intel ME disabled
>>106499009Maybe you should have, Mint specifically tries to be Windows-like and has graphical config toolsBut Debian is fine, very solid and boring and "just works" and presumably the hard part of configuring it has already been done for you.Root is the user with admin rights and you typically use 'sudo' to run commands as root. Just be very careful whenever you do that and don't enter random commands from 4chan.You don't need a firewall or antivirus. Just learn how to update the system and keep it up to date
>>106498849>Lifetime windows user herewow, since birth?impressive>My goal is the highest security and privacy without the need to be a highly technical userstop using computerstechnical knowledge required: 0private information leaked on your computer: 0exploitable vulnerabilities on your computer: 0you're welcomeor just chill the fuck outif you only install packages from official Debian repos and don't run random shell commands you find on the internet, you'll be fine
>>106499045 I have been using it and its very easy to use. But I am worried that I dont have the expertise to make and keep it secure
>>106498997>Debian doesn't have any special backdoors or pitfalls that you need to be an expert to avoidwellnot anymore, anywayhttps://blogs.fsfe.org/tonnerre/archives/25that we know of
>>106499057>post from 2008Wow yeah I'm sure neither windows nor macos had any issues in that time frame!
>>106499055if you only install packages from official Debian repos and don't run random shell commands you find on the internet, you'll be fine
>>106499073thank you for your irrelevant contributionbut if you're going to respond to *all* of the things i neither said nor implied, you're going to be here for a while, because that's a very long listin fact, it's a list that contains absolutely everything in the universe except "Debian had a serious flaw. It doesn't anymore. We don't know if there are others."get to workfucking idiot
>>106498974>>106498849Sounds like they're schizophrenic.Just don't install shady software, don't browse shady sites, at least w/o an adblocker.Anything more like fearing NSA 0days, is just schizophrenia. You aren't worth targeting m8, and will never be.
>>106499074I installed proton VPN and also accounting software with instructions from their websites. Is it cooked or fine?
>>106498849>>106498974You need to go back. If you can't handle just installing things from the package manager and using Common Sense 2025, you don't belong here
>>106498849Check that you are not affected by CPU vulnerabilities and fix something if needed.If you use proprietary software, always launch it from separate user. But make sure that separate user can't access your files. You can use other methods for this case if you want.Don't skip updates for months. And read how to update properly, many people do it wrong.>I dont think I want to study linux and have no life. I just want to use a computer, not live for the computerYou need to spend few hours on this.
>>106499118Compromised. Your machine is now running non-free software. Better reinstall the entire machine and maybe even the bios just in casr
>>106499118>If you use proprietary software, always launch it from separate user.Check if this software is open source. If it is and you trust vendor to not insert backdoor in the build, you are fine. If no, consider the user from which you launched that software cooked. Create a new "clean" user and don't repay such mistakes. See, it's not so hard.
>>106499136>You need to spend few hours on this.I can make it simpler for you. You can check CPU vulnerabilities with "lscpu" in console (last paragraph of output).Switch to other user with "su", then " su - otherusername". Maybe you will need to change UMASK in /etc/login.defs. To launch bad software from bad user on desktop of good user you will need "xhost +local:" and "DISPLAY=:0 badprogram". If you need sound you should edit pulseaudio configs for both users. If you need webcam or microphone you should add bad user to some groups.You'll have to search the remaining information yourself, sorry, I don't have much time today.
>>106499154But proton is open source
>>106498849I recommend you read this https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/security.htmlIt will help you understand how security works in linux. That site is very handy, so feel free to read other sections as well
>>106499118>I installed proton VPN and also accounting software with instructions from their websites. Is it cooked or fine?if you're not just a troll trying to waste our time and ragebait, stop breadcrumbing usyou installed Proton VPN: how, from where?you installed "accounting software" from "their website": what software, what website, how did you install it?stop breadcrumbing: either stop fucking around, or fuck off
why would a regular user even be worried about security, on any mainline OS? Behind the NAT you are basically unreachable to most opportunistic attackers and browsers in 2025 are so ironclad websites can do very little to you unless you're not actively being stupid. The last time you could do really funky shit to unsuspecting website visitors was probably like 2013 but most shenanigans have long been rendered impossible.
>>106499274>Proton VPN: how, from where?https://protonvpn.com/support/official-linux-vpn-debian/
>>106499337more breadcrumbingtrollhiding thread
>>106499289>why would a regular user even be worried about security, on any mainline OS?Because of intense paranoia
>>106499340Nothing of value was lost
>>106499340>ask a question>get a link to a detailed page explaining the answer>breadcrumbing phaghot!!!111!!+
>>106498849>My goal is the highest security and privacy without the need to be a highly technical user
>>106498974>A bunch of posts by redditors who are linux sys admins said that linux is way less secure than mac and windows for the average user.Should have just installed Ubuntu, instead of falling for the "let's research which distro is the best for me" cancer
>>106498849>boughtsad
>>106498974just run literally every program with firejail --net=noneyou'll never have security issues.
>>106499434what is he doing with that ESP8266 ESP-01?
>>106498849you don't have the skill to keep windows secure either, so don't worry about it.In fact, the less you know about security, the less paranoid you'll be. It's a bottomless pit
>>106499543though i'm kind of curious you far ahead ubuntu still is
>>106499675i couldn't play a multiplayer game on Steam because of snap...
>>106499289debian has basic problems like keeping their browser up to date
>>106499675It has good defaults, that's what matters for non technical users
>>106499712well it is stable software not bleeding edge, if I use debian for a desktop OS (which I barely ever do) I'd install flatpak and get bleeding edge browsers.
>>106499692install bazzite
>>106499763that's not the problem here. ubuntu lts and debian stable are basically the same age but only debian has this problem.the problem is that debian policy says no to bundling of any dependencies. apps are supposed to use debian's system libraries. firefox upstream doesn't care about that and just bundles all their dependencies. this causes issues.
>>106499830>that's not the problem here>continues to complainit's called static compiling, and it's a good thing in a lot of software, cuz shit breaks without it.It is one reason why debians firefox, iceweasel, has always sucked
>>106499768fedora no thanks
>>106498849just don't download and run random scripts from the web, stick to your distros package repository / flatpak. use root / sudo only when you really need it. you should be save