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>have laptop>want to limit cpu to lower power consumption when not plugged inhow would i go about achieving this? working sans DE, just a window manager.
>>106499598>>106499650you can take a look at thishttps://thadeutucci.medium.com/journey-to-a-tiling-window-manager-i3wm-439e0de585c9
>>106499650Use Power Profiles Daemon:https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/upower/power-profiles-daemon
>>106499598artix linux
I love Windows!!
>>106499753Enjoy your dead SSD
>>106499761Truly the newest FUD of our time
>>106499770probably the worst too since windows has plenty of other issues going on right now
>afro ergonomic computing
>>106499761ah yes hitler had v1 rocket v2 rocket and a beetle
>>106499770It's not actually FUD though, loads of people are reporting the issue.https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ssds/latest-windows-11-security-patch-might-be-breaking-ssds-under-heavy-workloads-users-report-disappearing-drives-following-file-transfers-including-some-that-cannot-be-recovered-after-a-rebootIt doesn't seem to affect everyone though but it's a real issue.
>>106499812I'd expect if they can figure out what's wrong then the September update will fix the issue
>>106499816So far they've denied there's even a problem altogether, but I wouldn't surprised if an update silently fixes it and they just don't mention it again.
>>106499761>he says while posting from a web browser which is one of the biggest culprits of massive ssd writes
>>106500150That's not hypocritical at all though, you expect it from your web browser, you don't expect it from your operating system. Not to mention the fact you can run with cache completely in RAM if you really want and then the browser will make zero writes to disk.
>>106499598post beef
I love seeing the repo diffs on Gentoo when I eix-sync. I wonder why other distributions don't have a similar "state of the repo since you last updated diff". It's a great way to discover new packages that you might not have heard of before.I just found harper a grammar checker, this way. It seems like a useful tool:https://writewithharper.com/
eix-sync
>>106500199Nobody expects their web browser to write loads of shit to your disk constantly...It would make more sense for your os to be doing it, not your browser.
>>106500674I think you would be very disappointed in your web browser's performance if it never cached anything and always had to re-download every single image, script and static HTML and CSS file over and over again.
>>106500668Example of the diff I mean.Do any other package managers on other distros display a similar diff?
I upgraded a couple of packages in debian unstable I shouldn't have. How do I revert to the previous versions?
>>106501142Did you set up btrfs snapshots? If not, you'll have to manually reinstall the packages individually, but instead of just doing "sudo apt install" you'd also specify the version. I'm not on a deb machine right now so I can't help you much, but I'm pretty sure something like "sudo apt install package=1.0.4" (or something similar) should work. Just check what the previous version of your package is.However, if Debian already purged the old versions from their repo then you're out of luck. I'm not sure what their policy is with the unstable version regarding keeping older binaries.
>>106501207>Did you set up btrfs snapshots?No. I won't be running a filesystem that's known for causing data loss and is plagued with bad engineering practices. I'd rather go through the pain of using ZFS.> If not, you'll have to manually reinstall the packages individually,I did that now, partially getting the files from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or their awful web interface, guessing all the package names I needed.But I must say, this is stone age shit. It's awful usability. Is that all what debian can offer? Why can't I just downgrade to a previous state with one command? I'm really wondering how it's 2025 and I still have this miserable user experience that's worse than fucking DOS.
>>106501253>Is that all what debian can offer?You're working with apt, so yes. It just doesn't have this feature. If you want to be able to revert your system, then you need system snapshots. If you don't want to use btrfs, you can just use regular snapshots.
>>106501253>Why can't I just downgrade to a previous state with one command?You can, just take a snapshot before you run updates. You can even make the package manager do it for you automatically.>I'd rather go through the pain of using ZFS.Can recommend. Go with portable ZFSBootMenu and give the entire OS disk to ZFS so you can have full disk snapshots.
>>106501332NTA but does zfs support encrypted swap yet or would you need to put lvm on luks first? Only reason i dont use zfs is because encrypted swap doesnt work properly on luks+zfs
>>106501371Just use ZRAM. No need for encrypted Swap if it never leaves non-persistent storage in the first place.You couldn't hibernate/resume this way though but realistically you don't need that.
>>106501371native ZFS encryption with a swap file should be fine.
Anyone with amdgpu PCIe card, can you make the card use less power than 30W when idle? It displays 30W power use even if I set the cap at 10W.
>>106501446Pretty much every GPU on the market has a minimum power draw. Your GPU seems to require a minimum of 30W. If you want to fuck around and find out you can mod the firmware, but it's very likely that if you manage to reduce the power draw below 20-27W your GPU will just fail to run. The limit is there for a reason.If you want a low power draw, get a GPU that's rated for TDP under 75W. Those usually have a minimum somewhere between 5W and 15W.
>>106501483Man I really wish something like laptops on Windows have would work: have a low power GPU that takes care of desktop things, and a usually off second high power GPU that can be used for games. PCIe cards could in theory just turn off most power if they're not needed.But nope, can't have that on desktop Linux. It sucks too much.
How does Ubuntu modify Gnome? I recognize gnome tweaks but what else?
>>106501637Besides their branding and theming, they carry some patches that aren't upstream.
>>106501599>have a low power GPU that takes care of desktop things, and a usually off second high power GPU that can be used for gamesWhat are you even talking about? Linux works fine with multiple GPUs.
>>106501669What changed recently? And does it work with X, or only its inferior "replacement"?
>>106499598>literally for my entire life "neat but just use windows" plays over and over in my head>microshit in their infinite wisdom declares their operating system incompatible with the new -1 gayming hardware i build my pc out of>looking at l00nix seriously for the first timei still got another month to put it off. but it didn't have to be this way. you did this.
>>106501697How is it incompatible with Windows of all things? You mean it doesn't fit with the 11 requirements?You'd honestly have a good time if you just used something Arch based like Endeavour or just vanllia Arch itself.
>>106501697>incompatible with the new -1 gayming hardware i build my pc out ofthat sounds unbelievable
>>106501682>What changed recently?Nothing. Linux has pretty much always supported multiple GPUs.
>recommending something like arch to windows-onliesThis should count as trolling.
>>106501744Maybe if you started separate sessions on each GPU, which is not what most users want or expect. Or perhaps nvidia SLI crap. But dual-GPU setups like in laptops were always hacky and a severe pain, and probably still are.
>>106501765>dual-GPU setups like in laptops were always hacky and a severe pain, and probably still are.They're a pain even on Windows 11, at least when it comes to Intel+nVidia. So, I'm not sure what you're expecting.
>>106501750Arch's a fun learning experience IF you have even done the most basic shit in Linux before.
>>106501786>So, I'm not sure what you're expecting.Computers not being completely fucking shit. Yes, laugh at me.
>>106501765You just set an environment variable to run on the GPU you want. I think KDE and GNOME even do this automatically if they detect multiple GPUs then you can right-click the application icon and tell it to run on the non-preferred GPU. Where things get really interesting is when you have more than two GPUs, I have no idea which one it picks in that scenario.
>>106499770I do tech support and recently saw a dead 2TB Samsung 980 on a Windows 11 pc, happened after a software update.I'm daily driving Linux since that lol
>>106499761>>106501821Explain. I should probably avoid buying Samsung SSDs if they can simply get killed by changed driver behavior?
KDE Linux has reached alpha stage, what do we think of it?
>>106501863>actually using KDE
>>106501845It's apparently something the August W11 monthly update did where if an SSD has a certain Phison controller it'll start acting strangely or just die if you do large amount writes.>>106501863Is this KDE neon but actually meant to be used by normal users?
>>106501863I haven't tried it yet but I hope it reaches its goal of being the KDE distro.>>106501869There isn't a better desktop. KDE with all its flaws is still the best.
>>106501863Does it have distrobox and/or homebrew pre installed? Then it's good.
>>106501869>Xhe doesn't use a bit-by-bit facsimile of my very own software choices in a vain attempt to emulate my greatness, thus pricing xheir complete inferiority and inability to understand the genius within Wow.. How can you be SUCH a loser, anon? The whole world is laughing at you and your parents wish you never were born.
>>106501863what's the point? what is it based on?
>>106501446my rx6600 is idling at 4-5W according to LACT. i haven't done anything to achieve this
>>106501872>Is this KDE neon but actually meant to be used by normal users?I'm not sure actually, it's not a normal distro, for one, it doesn't have a package manager. It's meant to fix the issues Neon had.>>106501879>distroboxYes, also flatpaks and snaps. Homebrew no, but it can be installed by the user.
linux troubleshooting is actually kinda funyesterday i fixed a usb controller not being detected and got vr working at the same timenow i kind of dont have a reason to dualboot anymore
>>106501910>what's the point? KDE Neon got obsolete, and GNOME OS exists, so KDE wants to make their own too.>what is it based on?Based.
>>106501877>There isn't a better desktop.A raw window manager like icewm has better window managing capabilities, uses little memory, doesn't leak memory, doesn't crash all the time. KDE is windows 95 tier.>>106501908Are you repeating what people are telling you all the time?
>>106501910The point is to have an official KDE distro. KDE software you have on other distros might not be packaged the way the KDE project wanted it to be.
>>106501943KDE doesn't Krash all of the time. That's a complete and utter meme.
>>106501943Eventually you'll have to upgrade from your Pentium II, grandpa.
>>106501910It's Arch based btw.
>>106482784OpenSUSE-kun, did the dependencies end up working?
>>106501975What, because icewm seems old? I'm always surprised how trash the mainstream DEs still are when I try to switch away from them. KDE and gnome are the windows 11 of Linux.
How do I grep to search for a string in files and output only the file name? I don't want to see the string I searched for, just which files the string is present in.My knowledge of grep is really basic.grep -inr "string"
grep -inr "string"
>>106501997Oh wow. I'm sure you don't use systemd either and think pipewire is the devil :^)
>>106501973>>106501943The KDE crash meme is literally being pushed by one Indian on this board butthurt that LXDE is the only DE that works on his laptop. He sometimes makes shitposts about GNOME too (for the same reasons), though obviously not as often. I surmise that since GNOME obviously isn't a traditional desktop, he's less interested and therefore the sour grapes effect is lessened.
>>106502015$ grep --files-with-matches vim .vimrc.vimrc
$ grep --files-with-matches vim .vimrc.vimrc
>>106501863I'll try it out at some point. I have a few bugs I'd like to report, but I'd like to konfirm they're KDE bugs.>>106501943>A raw window manager like icewm has better window managing capabilities, uses little memory, doesn't leak memory, doesn't crash all the time. KDE is windows 95 tier.Stop troll posting.
>>106502022Meant for: >>106502003
>>106501943>tell me you use nvidia without saying
>>106502017I just switched from Windows to Fedora KDE (For HDR support) and been having crashes, just a few, but noticeable on a fresh install.
>>106501410Need swap for hibernation>>106501422Swap file doesnt work properly with zfs last time i checked
>>106502015I use systemd, but I don't think it adds anything useful. I'm only using it because my distro forced it upon me. Sometimes it fucks up hard. I used pipewire for a while, but got sick of its erratic behavior and it added very, very little, so I got rid of it again.Yeah, I use Linux because I hate bloat. MacOS and Windows unironically work better if you want a fully loaded desktop. This was the case 20 years ago, and it's still the case.>>106502017I use some KDE applications. They still crash sometimes, all while some other programs had uptimes to up to a year.>>106502026What's your highest KDE desktop uptime?
>>106501981Yep! It's pretty smexxy so far, no big issues or inconsistencies. Although i am looking for some upscaled W7 backgrounds atm for my big screen.Here's some gushing over Windows 7 while i am at it. Windows 7 is the only operating system i have ever properly loved. Windows xp while nostalgic was pretty fugly. I just like the pretty yet functional look. Functional as in not being too much yet not overly minimalistic. The start menu does what's needed and i wish every UI designer out there gave it a look. Same with explorer, minus tabs, is perfect as it is. The glassy look feels so much better than the dull flatness of modern design desu. I want to lick it in a sense, like a icicle. If Windows 7 was offered as a updated OS in 2025 with up to date drivers n stuff i'd jump ship in a moment.
>>106501863Looks like KDE
>>106502017>>106502060>only very little crashestop kek (no KDE pun intended)
>>106502060>list of crashesWhat's this called? I'd like to check if there's something silently crashing on my machine (I haven't had any KDE crashes in a very, very long time)
>>106502066>What's your highest KDE desktop uptime?Over a month on my laptop. I always just suspend it by closing the lid and plug it into a wall when I'm done. Literally to the point where uupd warns me that I haven't updated my system in over a month.
>>106501933>all the bloated package managers is installedThis is stupid, just keep one of them and thats it. Having five different secondary package managers is way too much.
>>106502022>>106502040You're the best. Thank you.grep -inrl "string"
grep -inrl "string"
>>106501877XFCE has always been better and is only limited to still being stuck on x11 (not like it matters that much)
>>106499598okay this isn't a baitcan I fuck my system up in a way that it launches apps horribly slow?I installed arch manually on a old laptop and firefox takes about 20 seconds to open.I booted my even older laptop (dual core, w7) chrome takes 4-5 seconds.is there way to see what causes this or check logs?
>>106502100Xfce will always use X11. You want Wfce instead.
>>106502100>is only limited to still being stuck on x11Seems like a feature. My xfce experiences was awful tool, though.
Worth it to encrypt my desktop? Is the performance loss big in twoo keeee tweeenty foiv?
>>106502103I mean, you can launch it through the terminal and see what errors and warnings it shows, and where it gets stuck. This is pretty unusual behavior. Unless you installed one of those malicious AUR packages?
>>106502114>Is the performance loss bigyes
>>106501253>I won't be running a filesystem that's known for causing data loss and is plagued with bad engineering practices.OpenZFS has a data loss defect with filesystem encryption going back to v2.2.
I refuse to use anything involving arch because they don't have secure boot.
>>106502136Bro just sign it yourself, then you can have secure boot on anything.
>>106502066>Yeah, I use Linux because I hate bloat. I propose a name for this disorder: Linuxia nervosa.
>>106502061>Swap file doesnt work properly with zfs last time i checkedyeah my bad, looks like it's a bad idea.best i can tell you'll want a raw partition for it and either LUKS or dm-crypt
>>106502114It depends on your hardware.
>>106502136secure boot is worthless unless you roll your own pki anyway.
>>106502169>spends a lot of time to run a Linux system>and to make it like WindowsWhat does that make you?
>>106502116Nope, haven't used AUR yet. it's a sandy bridge laptop with hdd, running xfce.My initial thought was that the hdd slowing it down since it gets way better after the initial launch (3-4 seconds).Same for simple terminal commands or the app launcher. I will try the terminal and see what happens.Would preloading help in these old junks maybe?
>>106499598What are some good distros that I can install the latest stable nvidia drivers without much hassle?I'm fine with adding 3rd party repositories.
>>106502068Glad it's working, I've gotta send that list of dependencies over to the gitlab. Btw you can also set the colour of your glass via the desktop effects section of Plasma Settings.
>>106502239alma linux
>>106502075>only very little crashes
>>106502234>Would preloading helpyes. If you have enough RAM you could also store the binary in a ramdisk, it's pretty easy to set up.
>>106502225>Everything I don't like is WindowsAre you Russian???
>use old abandoned program>stops building properly>keep using existing install for some time>finally sick of seeing build error on emerge>throw error into chatbot>gives me a solution>make a patch for it>do this once more>builds and runsneat
>>106502352I doubt anyone here hasn't started with Windows, didn't just pick Linux because they didn't like Windows anymore, and has used Linux for longer than couple of years.
