Junior roles down 23%.Senior roles up 14%.Harvard tracked 285,000 firms. The math is brutal:Before AI: 1 senior + 3 juniors = 4 person teamAfter AI: 1 senior + Claude = same outputWe're creating a generation of experts with no apprentices. Masters with no students. Mentors with no one to mentor.Who trains the next generation when AI does all the junior work?But here's what made my stomach drop:It's not layoffs.It's worse.They're just... not replacing people who leave."Natural attrition" they call it."Right-sizing" they say.What they mean: Your career ladder lost its bottom rungs.5 years from now, we'll wonder why we have no senior engineers.
>The math is brutal:>what made my stomach drop:this post reads like a LinkedIn postwhat the fuck
>>106509944>AIIt's the rate you idiot.
I've been praying for death for like a decade now regardless
>>106509944lolat this rate there is going to be an insane level of demand for devs in a few years>juniors assfucked by "AI" meme, will quit the industry>nobody wants to go to college>companies accruing massive technical debt with dumb AI initiatives, and firing everyone>no juniors = no new seniors>seniors will quit, especially as they get richer and richer
this dude literally crossposted from /pol/ LOL
>>106509944Using your graph, one could just as easily say that AI is creating jobs for seniors
learn to underwater weld or ice road truck
>>106510244It's this, the wheel is turning once again. All these companies are at peak tech hype retardation and outsourcing before the consequences appear in 5-10 years, if anything NOW is a reasonable time to start if you're thinking in that direction and are like 18 considering majors.been real shit for like five years post covid though lol
>>106509944Your graph proves it has nothing to do with AI and everything to do with companies not being caught training juniors because they're shit at retention.
>>106510460>because they're shit at retentionPay a good salary and do decent raises, schlomo, and they won't be.
>>106509956>this post reads like a LinkedIn postSo it's safe to assume OP is AI-slop.>>106510460>because they're shit at retentionIsn't that mostly due to the "If you want a raise, change your job"-mentality?
enjoy flipping fries
>>106510244just hold on 5 more years bros lmaooo
>>106510476>Pay a good salary and do decent raisesnigger, that's exactly the problemi'll literally work for free just to get my foot in the door, but nooooo that's not allowed, you gotta paaaayyy a good salary for the privilege of training some clueless cunt like me who will just fuck off as soon as they collect their 1-2 years of experience
>>106509944Wasn't it just some grant that ran out
>>106510244good old pork cycle
>>106509944So all seniors are juniors now, and those juniors are paid too much
majority of /g/ was unemployable well before AI
>>106511085rude!
good. less diversity hires, tiktok product manager sluts and jeets.
Complex systems will not survive the competency crisis.
>>106509944>The math is brutal:>But here's what made my stomach drop:>they call it.You sound like a redditor. I don't care about your cute little interpretation, link the study or GTFO.
>>106510244>nobody wants to go to collegedon't forget there is literally 50 million indians ready to immigrate every year
>>106510504It is and companies are fucking retards for doing it.
>>106509944>Blue collar workers during the 1980-1990sFirst time, white-collar kiddo?
I wonder if, in the near future, there will be entire consultancies and programming specialties centered on unfucking AI code.
>>106511467This lmaoThere is very little to make me feel bad about a sect of the population that glided through life and did everything they where told without question.Now they are 100k+ in debt and nothing to show for it.
>>106511314trveI guess we're gonna find out whether indians can actually do the same thing white men do
>>106509944what's the relevance to /g/? this is an unemployable permaNEET website
>>106510244What's funny is you think this demand will ever be met. It's brain drain, it hit the arts 50 years ago. It used to be that every art school turned out excellent draftsmen, and they all had jobs drawing shit. Then computers replaced them in most firms, and eventually replaced animators. Now, the field no longer exists. If you wanted to get an animation made in western country, you couldn't, you had to outsource to Japan in the 90s, Korea in the 00s, China in the 10s, and now India in the 20s. And we're hitting the breaking point of that cheap dogshit labor, after India there's nowhere left to cut the costs.
>>106510256it happens all the time
>>106511934hmm so what happens after that?
>>106512103Huh? Societal collapse. We've been in the early stages of it for the past 20 years.
>>106512142>just two more weeks bro
What the fuck am I reading
>>106509944I can’t find a new job despite 12 years experience though?
>>106512103it becomes a very small or non-existent industry until demand for high quality animation picks up again (possibly never)
>>106512150No, the world is definitely gonna collapse. It's not anon wishing for a cataclysm to wipe the slate clean because he is a loser.
>>106511934i bless the rains down in aaaaafricaaaaaaaaa
>>106511143Based and palladium pilled
>>106512253>roody-poos can produce anything more than war, famine, rape and kids
All jobs except for tradesmen jobs are gonna get fucked, even service jobs like flipping burgers and fries in McDonalds are gonna get done by robots, they in fact already exist. Next decade everyone is fucked unless the entire system changes, not just economical ones, but educational ones too.
>log size
>>106509944Doesn't this just mean that "juniors" are being reclassified as "seniors"? It's not like all these extra people are just magically appearing out of thin air.
>>106511934>It's brain drain, it hit the arts 50 years ago.That's not the reason. I went to school for animation in the 2000s and there were plenty of capable animators, but no jobs for them. The studios just didn't want to pay American wages when some east asian could do it for 1/10th the price. I even knew a guy who literally moved from America to the Philippines just so he could work as an animator on American cartoons. The same exact shit is happening to software development right now. The best programmers are Americans but all the jobs are in third world countries.
Bot thread. Everyone on /g/ is either already a senior engineer or a completely unemployable neet anyway.
>>106512361I don't get it.
>>106509944Harvard can't tell a man from a woman.
>>106510244Ramielfag is right once again.
>>106512150I wish I could disagree with him, but the death marks can't really be discussed away anymore.Western society is a rotting corpse that has been "living" by digesting itself for roundabout 20 years.Considering this, I'm not too optimistic about our ability to stand Xi's and Putin's challenge to the West. They are out of their fucking minds, but they still manage to point out how the West is insane itself.I'm not ruling out a resurrection, but the Western establishment is fighting it with all it has: The spoils gained from the corpse are probably just too tasty.
I am convinced that we live in a post work society and that AI has already automated everything.Corona proved that the world can run without us working or even going outside.We are not needed.Labor is no longer needed. IQ differences are meaningless, junior and senior roles are meaningless. Society doesn't need any of us. Only grocery store workers are needed.
>>106513119Reports of the West's fall are greatly exaggerated. Every generation wants to think they're the most important and the future hinges on them, and the average 4channer/redditor is no different, but in retrospect that rarely turns out to be the case. You have to correct for that. To take your example of Putin and Xi: are they actually good rulers? I've been hearing these comparisons for years now; what have Putin and Xi done in that time? Xi has profoundly hurt his country's economy with draconian COVID restrictions that he maintained far longer than it made sense. Putin is sending his country's young men to their deaths just to fulfill his megalomaniac dreams of rebuilding the Russian Empire - something that wouldn't actually improve the Russian people's standard of living even if it was successful, which it won't be.I think it's important to separate aesthetics from results. Liberal democracy has very poor aesthetics; it always appears weak due to all the internal conflict that it allows to exist in the open. On the other hand, authoritarian regimes are great at projecting an image of strength and unity, even when internally that couldn't be further from accurate. But when it comes to results, advocates of liberal democracy can point to a large number of examples to make their point, while advocates of authoritarianism have one (1) example where authoritarian government worked better than liberal democracy could have plausibly worked.Don't get me wrong, I think that China will become the #1 superpower of the 21st century, but that's despite their governance rather than because of it. They simply have more people that the US and EU combined, and a higher average IQ too.
>>106510244You mean "Massive outsourcing" when they all flee to China, who keeps these companies under lock and key so they can't repeat the same jewish cash grab there
>>106510256>Oh no, a 4chan user on 4chan. Please, go back to r/tech, nufaggot.
>>106515090All the societal boons you're crediting to muh lolberal democracy were the result of a large, stable, wealthy-enough, fertile-enough White middle class. No such class will exist after boomers are all dead. Demographics are destiny and any White guy in America in the 2030s with half a brain will realize staying in the majority-brown Jewnited States is a retarded idea. The damage that will be caused by infestation of pajeets in our biggest, most profitable companies and by extension our most essential infrastructure cannot be overstated.
>>106510256Holy shit, that is fucking embarrassing. Why do I even read this site?
>>106510256>>106515507forgot pic, reminded me of that video where the Spy leaks the nudes of him fucking scout's mother. Just totally damning.
>>106510244And that insane level of demand will be filled with millions of Indians. Western countries don't want anyone other than the top 0.001% to have income.
>>106515090>are they actually good rulers?I have already answered that question: "They are out of their fucking minds, but they still manage to point out how the West is insane itself."They aren't good rulers, but they realize where our rulers are fucking up. It's clear as day, which makes it so fucking irritating, that the rulers of the West keep alienating their people day after day.>Liberal democracyAre we that? I have been getting the impression, that the established party's politicians think, that "Our democracy is in danger" when the people start voting for someone else, because "our democrats" have been betraying them.Also, I'd interpret "liberal" as in "tolerant towards other political views", but especially the people calling themselves "liberals" these days would prefer to eliminate anyone thinking different.>China will become the #1 superpower of the 21st centuryI'm not too sure about that, but it's true the West has completely lost its edge, because it demands equal results irrespective of effort and natural ability and calls anything else "discrimination".Well, guess what will happen to the West, if it doesn't start discriminating in favor of sheer capability and effort: It is going to die miserably in a swamp of utter sub-mediocrity.
>>106511562I don't think there will be mainly because that would be a difficult problem to measure.If we could measure fuckedness the west wouldn't be paying for Jeet code.
>>106512142>not many people doing [job] will lead to society crumblinglol @ this retard
>>106515303>any White guy in America in the 2030s with half a brain will realize staying in the majority-brown Jewnited States is a retarded idea.And where is your mythical white ethno-state, retard? They are all cucked, pro-brown/black shitholes now. Russia is mass importing jeets and Central Asians. Even Iceland, a literal frozen island in the North Atlantic and the true last bastion of whiteness is a feminist shithole that wants brown/black migrants for "muh anti-racism". There is no where to fucking go for whites!
u witepeepo need to get a grip and stop acting like wimmin
>>106516161You make some good points. I'm also sick of woke attitudes that are illiberal and blatantly anti-meritocratic. However, I think that woke DEI stuff is best modeled as a tax on efficiency and innovation. That's not good, but it's a tax that the West can afford to pay, and it's fundamentally less damaging than authoritarian control of markets, which screws up all the incentives - instead of competence, the strongest incentive becomes sucking up to the Party. I think that Richard Hanania has the right estimation of the sitaution: https://www.richardhanania.com/p/why-the-technocapital-machine-is
>>106510540Who's gonna be buying burgers when everybody's unemployed
>>106516424Yes, actually. When there aren't any good prospects for young men societies tend to suddenly have a lot of terrorists on their hands. Blue collar goes to illegals, white collar to Indians, what's left for American men? Violence.
>>106515507ok so how does that affect the post's factual information?
>>106516161>Also, I'd interpret "liberal" as in "tolerant towards other political views", but especially the people calling themselves "liberals" these days would prefer to eliminate anyone thinking different.The absolute undiluted retardation on display on this website astounds me.
>>106510256>it's realBrutal.
i dont understand how many people here can correctly identify this for what it is including the paths it will take and the solutions/lack thereof but don't apply them. it's like you guys just feel hopeless instead of capitalizing on this info. i value you posters, just saying. but i only wish u valued yourselves.
>>106516981>ok so how does that affect the post's factual information?it's /pol/ so it's biased, chud
>>106509944>After AI: 1 senior + Claude = same outputNext year it'll be:>After AI: 1 Businessman + Claude = an entire companyFace it. Skilled labor is a dead end. Learn Business if you don't want to die in a ditch.
>>106510256The feeling I get from seeing this must be identical to whatever feeling the presence of a black or jew elicits from a /pol/cel. A strangely smug form of disgust and pity for my lessers.
>>106517297I what way is it biased? Are you just a memebrained retard?
>>106517288Gotta have something to fight for that's bigger than yourself, bro.
>>106517391>Gotta have something to fight for that's bigger than yourself, bro.lol no you don't, especially when, for most people, that's whatever fox news/cnn/tiktok/facebook tells them to fight forI opt out of this notion
>>106512632don't forget the senior engineer level unemployable neets (PhD)
>>106516903The question is not "woke DEI" or "authoritarian control of markets"."Woke DEI" IS "authoritarian control of markets", exactly the opposite of "liberalism".Your reply sounds a lot like it came from a language model (and on reflection, your original reply as well).>>106517032I KNOW "liberals" don't interpret it that way, which is a major reason why people are fed up with the absolute fuckery "liberals" have been pulling off.
