>intel arc pro b50>passmark g3d scores of 18000>16GB vram>4x displayport>70W, no PCIe power needed>dual slot low profile>fully open source linux drivers>$350This thing blows rtx 4060 lp (115w) and 5060 lp (145w) out of the water.
>>106518987too bad intel is imploding
>>106518987I'm hoping it's got a fan but low profile cards like that generally assume they get generous external cooling. Even with a fan I'd still be concerned
does it come with a single slot option?this could be the replacement to my chinese rtx a2000 8gb
>>106519044it's a blower designalso it's 70W, they're not furnaces compared to blackwell cards
>>106518987How are the drivers?
>>106518987based
1 slot cards are more important. they made a 1 slot gtx 1070 before.
>>106519202imagine the noise
where the fuck is my B770? Where is my dual B60? Why does it take this long for Intel, a giant multinational that is struggling to field good products, to update its product stack in an exploding sector where it can make well received products?wtf are they doing?
>>106518987Hdmi???
>>106519235It's an interface for poor people. This is a professional grade gpu
>>106519229Probably too busy trying to make more proprietary x64 extensions
>>106518987I already got the A310 for $100 for my AV1 encoding homeserver needs
>>106519229>wtf are they doing?like we said, imploding
sff is only useful in real life for servers and other specific applications. most people here who are interested in sff are doing it for social media/Internet clout. faggots.
>>106518987>displayportAryanport chuds... we won.
>>106519229>wtf are they doing?They're choking the GPU department probably due to department rivalries over funding. Big corporations like that almost work like government without proper direction and vision (Pat Gelsinger).
>>106519495they are also useful for repurposing sff optiplex & thinkstation shitboxes for AI/gaymen
>>106519059>they're not furnaces compared to blackwell cardsjust power limit?
>>106519792they physically cant draw more than 75W from the slot
>>106519824and that is relevant to what I said how?
Anyone tested SR-IOV yet?
>>106519833why would you intentionally gimp something that you bought?fashion?
>>106519229cpu overhead is prohibitive, litterally no point releasing a higher end card, because the drivers cant handle the high draw calls of new games on most cpus. basically they are stuck with 2014 amd tier driver performance. remains to be seen if its fixable or not, at the very least i would not expect a launch this year, they will probably skip it, and if it does come out, it will be workstation/compute only most likely.
>>106520089a 70% power limit gets you >90% of the performance, it's just logical
>>106518987>16GB vram>70WI wouldn't mind supplementing my 4090 with something that low powered that could keep an LLM up and running 24/7, but what kind of quality can you get at 16GB? Like, what's the best quality model/quant you can cram into that tiny amount of VRAM?Also... I don't see it for sale anywhere.
>>106519792That doesn't change the fact that you NEED a PCIe power cable for those cards. This is comfortably the most powerful slot-powered card around, so is perfect for upgrading old office systems and such to turn them into gaymen PCs. ...or it would be if it wasn't $350, meaning it makes no sense for a "budget" build.
they will go bankrupt before this thing hits the shelves
I quite literally just want to purchase 2 x B60;s.Intel are so slow. Is a good sidegrade from a 9060 XT for LLM use but holy shit just release the fucking B60 already.
>>106518987>idles at 40Wno thanks
>This thing blows rtx 4060 lpProof?
>retard gaymer confuse workstation card with gaymers gpu
>>106522237they're one firmware flashing away from each other
>>106519018>too bad intel is implodingHonestly I'd be okay if everything BUT their GPU division goes under. Sure the GPU's still can't compete with AMD and Nvidia yet in things like gaming BUT they're a great deal for video encoding on a budget and who knows what future fruits ARC will bear.That's the best outcome. To bad Softbank and US tax dollars are gonna keep the worst aspects of that company a float much like when Bush and Obama bailed out GMC and Chevy numerous times and now people only drive those sheit cars because they're poor and the moment they have enough in their piggy bank or get a raise they almost always end up buying something from Japan that isn't an unreliable teethe rattling piece of shit.I guess we just aren't allowed to have nice things in Clownworld.
>>106523084>Sure the GPU's still can't compete with AMD and Nvidia yet in things like gaming BUT they're a great deal for video encoding on a budget and who knows what future fruits ARC will bear.This is a meme, they're pretty good at budget gaming and for things that are GAAS w/ MMO like titles.The AAA vulkanDX11,12slopfests that people benchmark with and don't really play they do alright in, not bad, not great but on linux the cards are good. For low tier gaming, even if you've got a 4k display and deal with the VRAM overhead on linux, the cards at least work with gamescope which nvidia cards don't, so you're good to game at 1080p etc.AI, they're good bang for the buck, good community support and their ecosystem isn't the mess that ROCm & HIP are/were. ROCm outside linux is a disaster for RDNA4. ROCm in linux for RDNA4 is a disaster.Intel should continue to exist. They're almost in that sweet spot. Timing and that company are what fuck them over.The B50 existing in may before the 9060 XT came out woulda been good.The B60 needs to be here now. 16 & 24GB GPUs for inference at an affordable price that shits down nvidias neck, good 2nd cards for video encoding and light 3D work. The problem now with the B50 is it's only just filtering out, at a time where people really want the B60's 24GB VRAM and initial pricing? The same price as the 9060 XT with slower memory bandwidth pcie5x8 versus 5x16. 70W is killing it, it's a card for people like me who want to throw into their 2nd computer but at the price of the 9060 XT. If compute and VRAM are the end game you'd just wait a few months.It's in such a weird spot compared to the B60 & B580. The B580 had a good launch window but VRAM deficit it works where it worked, the B60 promises 24GB of VRAM per card, the B50 is this weird inbetweener, filling the low TDP niche with decent VRAM, I'd use 2 of them for inference if they were $100 cheaper, otherwise wait for B60.
>>106519018They can spin the GPU division into a separate company assuming they can actually sell units.
>>106522167>idles at <0.5¢/hthe horror
>>106519229stop manspaining, Intel knows what it is doing
>>106519229probably just a racist who doesn't like GPUs made by brown people
>>106518987What's the gotcha part? Bad at video games? Can I use it on an older 9th gen intel platform with pcie 3?How does it compare to 750ti?
>>106524422The gotcha is that you're a bitch and need to upgrade your ewaste hardware.These cards will technically work ok on ewaste machines, but even first gen Alchemist Arcs need resizable BAR (you probably don't know how to modify the bios to enable it in unsupported boards) and modern cpus (aka at least new enough to not be stuck in the 14nm+++++++++++ 2c4t/4c4t/4c8t i3/i5/i7 era) to get the full performance out of the cards.An A380 is "about" the performance of a 1660. This newer card is going to be far better, but it's weaker than the B580 because it's not a gaming card.
>>106524422>What's the gotcha part?It's never in stock, the one I want isn't anyway.
>>106518987>>$350Where?
>>106518987>no PCIe power needed>low profileWhat is the point of this? You take a miserable hit to performance and especially to price:performance, and for what? To save a few litres?If the idea is to upgrade an old office machine: All the mini cards I've seen are either so shit that there's barely any point compared to a recent APU, or they're so overpriced that they wipe out any saving from not having to buy a PSU and case. There seems to be no in-between.
>>106524116>Goy>Poo>Unit
>>106518987Sriov status? This would be a nice budget card for a virtual machine rig/proxmox server.
>>106525731>If the idea is to upgrade an old office machine: All the mini cards I've seen are either so shit that there's barely any point compared to a recent APU,Are you retarded?That's a rhetorical question, it answers itself.>upgrade an old office machine>recent APUStop being a fucking retard in public, have some fucking humility.
>>106518987Can it do local AI stuff or do I still need an nvidia gpu for that?
>>106525823The benchmarks and reviews I all saw say it's coming Q4, likely whenever they finally shuffle B60 out the door.>>106524837Why don't Americans just import from other nations that have stock? I don't get it, we're flush with intel GPUs. I saw shit constantly about B580 shortages and they were in stock here the entire time.Shit, we still have BNIB A770 and most of the Alchemist line too in some form of another.
>>106526018>Can it do local AI stuff or do I still need an nvidia gpu for that?That's part of their pitch, it won't crunch compute or be blazing fast but it will be efficient for what it puts out. It's 70W/16GB for $350. A770 would be a bit cheaper but 200W I think, 9060 XT is $350 when it's at MSRP for 170W TDP.You're buying size/convenience with this. The biggest crutch is the x8 lanes but it's not that huge a nerf.
>>106526008I guess if you already have said old office machine and want to put a 1050-tier card in there, fine. The scenario I had in mind was the people who buy an old optiplex SFF with the intent of upgrading it.The card in the OP doesn't seem to be very appealing in either scenario. It's way too expensive for a super-budget optiplex setup but also really weak compared to what you can get for a few more litres and an extra hundred watts.
>>106526018Local LLMs and other tools approved by Intel R TM AI department. Outside 99% it will not work.
>>106518987>SFF
>>106526024its not coming this year most likely, their driver is not in a good state.
>>106524485>>1065244229th gen supports resizable bar, but bios implementation is spotty depending on the board., the bigger problem is that intel has large cpu overhead , so older cpus struggle. litterally anything nvidia or amd is a better choice than intel for older platforms.
>>106526075Depends though there's other economics at play. Modern cards have modern features, encoding, decoding, support for later versions of Vulkan/DirectX. I have a 2nd PC that could use one, an HP box with 32GB of RAM and I could get a 1050, 1060/1660 tier card, use the PSU and I could save a bit of money on it. On linux driver support only matters in terms of nvidia support being terrible. On windows, those cards are on their way out too. There's use cases for a modern low TDP card, they gain in efficiency too and whether you like it or not the 100W difference between a card when run full tilt at a year or thereabouts can dwarf the savings too when you go for older hardware. This card's price is higher than what Intel were going to be selling it for, the price was supposed to be $300, for 16GB of VRAM, that's local LLM tier and access that nvidia just can not offer you at that price point, TDP or anything really. The closest is AMD's 9060 XT with a 100W TDP premium.100W isn't much, it seems cheap enough but in certain energy markets 1 years use outstrip the savings on an old card, with less features, less memory, less flexibility or support down the line. Over 2 years the cost between it and the RDNA4 card are called into question. That assumes constant use and compute but for a heavy user or specific scenario it comes in. If you intend to use it for 5 years or more, it pays for itself.In case you think I'm coming from cuckoo land. I have an R7 250 (not x), good ol' GCN 1. It's 65W, it can do some of the things it needs to, it's short on memory, runs at load, doesn't have great media encode/decode support. Really sits about GTX 550 Ti tier. PCIe3 x8, on a PCIe3 machine the B50 will be constrained to the same bandwidth limitations. but for the same watt for watt output, you're getting much more. Somewhere around 8-9x the performance. Can make sense. Not to you maybe.
>>106527058Does battlemage have the same driver overhead issue with MESA? I only used the B580 as a stop gap between my current GPU change.The B60, the cards value is entirely in the pro market and the AI inference market. Delaying is painful for them. It'll still do well if there's stock purely because both AMD and Nvidia are not going to release a 24GB card in that price range, at all. It's just not going to happen.I get it though, if the problem exists only on windows, it leads to the most common user complaining. Just so happens to be that Battlemage's pro line is more suited towards tasks outside of just gaming.
>>106526075>>106527114there are versions of the rx 560 without the pcie power connector, the one i have has a ppt limit of 43w, if you are willing to use 1 pcie power connector, the rx 570/580 is the best choice for the price, decent efficiency, reducing the ppt limit can put it in the 75-100w range easily and you retain most of the performance. otherwise the rtx 3050 or 5050 are the way to go. 750ti or 1050ti are a bit slow now for the price.
>>106527114Thanks for the thoughtful reply anon. I have to admit I never really take power consumption into account, even though electricity is quite expensive in my area.
>>106527137havent really seen much in terms of benchmarks since launch, but windows was faster and the last linux benchmarks I saw showed some improvement , but not enough i think to support a faster gpu. in compute only its probably fine, but they need customers to sell it, and i think as a workstation card it would make sense, since 3d rendering is a big part part of it, and ai is atough sell for anybody serious ,even with extra memory since nvidia is so much faster and better supported. even amd has a hard time selling cards and they have much faster gpus than intel.
>>106527316*wouldnt make sense
>>106518987>This thing blows rtx 4060 lp (115w) and 5060 lp (145w) out of the waterYeah i don't give a fuck cunt Intel can fuck off forever and die (like they already are)
>>106526574>Cramped mobo with a single PCIe slotDTX format is forgotten, as usual.Still rather pick laptop + eGPU though, SFF was more akin to 2010's before Ryzen showed up and made 6 core cpus mainstream, since i5's have always been a huge POS till 10th gen, and now they are the only decent stuff intel makes lmao.
>>106527361>I want Nigvidia to become an even stronger monopoly because... JUST BECAUSE?!?!Unhinged, turn yourself into the psych ward anon before you hurt yourself or someone else.
>>106526574They’re good for server pc. I have one for running my security cameras.
>>106518987>SR-IOV
>>106526574Imagine being poor
>>106520251For workstation it's pretty great. 16GB of VRAM for $350 is crazy for AI too.The B60 is supposed to go up for 48GB in some third party builds (Sparkle), and not be too crazy of a price. Not sure if they've released any price estimates for that yet though.
>>106519240It's quite cheap for what you get. I would have though poor people liked cheap things.
>>106527316Intel's AI position is pretty good atm with community support, both it and ROCm/HIP have come far. For image or video gen there may be issues with support, speed for image/video gen is where compute will hammer it but inference? The $300 price they gave is good, the 70W TDP 16GB card is, a niche but there's nothing else out there with that sort of TDP > VRAM trade off. If you were using Vulkan or one, you could pair it with an existing A770, 32GB split over two cards with 70W for 16GB is pretty big.Could see more focus on Intel compatibility when the B60's hit if they're good supply. They're a decent size for low scale local LLM. >>106527543$1200 is what the maxsun dual was quoted as, $1-1.5k for the 48GB dual boards. The 24GB was initially quoted at $500, 120-200W and 24GB VRAM on a single card is good shit, combine it with a 16gb and aside from the overhead you're in 40GB VRAM territory and 46-48GB with two.
>>106518987black screen on everything expect last expensive intel scam
>>106526136So probably only Israeli trained models. DROPPED.
>>106527774>$1200 is what the maxsun dual was quoted as, $1-1.5k for the 48GB dual boards.I thought it was around that but I couldn't quite remember. Absolutely crazy for 48GB. That's new as well so the used price will be even lower.It puts 96GB of VRAM in the reach of enthusiasts who are willing to get a 2x PCIe x16 board and two of these cards. Probably puts you at, what, $4,000 for new parts? A Blackwell at 96GB is about $10,000 from what I can see.
>>106526018Intel has a tool for getting CUDA to work on Arc GPUs, called "Intel Extensions for Pytorch" or "xpu".They also maintain a fork of Ollama that makes use of xpu.Can't comment on whether it works well or not, but there are some signposts for you.
>>106526018>>106528174I forget to mention, the fork is called IPEX-LLM.
>>106528142Yup, about that.It's worth noting that the same scales apply for the 24GB cards. It's 24GB NEW not a used 3090 that's been through 5 years of misery and chugs an additional 150W of power. Slower in compute and memory bandwidth yes, but still a load of VRAM. If you put that on a new system like you said, pair it with as much RAM as you can and you're in big model territory.For people who have the idea that old cards are good enough, buy one of the many 3090's that are still in demand. It's availability BNIB that will impact prices across the board too.
>>106528342I think the supposed downsides to used cards are overstated. The one thing of value to me that LTT ever produced is his video on used mining cards, and he didn't find any flaws with the majority of the cards. Chips don't really fail in that way. Age related failure is more of a mechanical wear thing, but a conductive piece of silicon remains a conductive piece of silicon with usage.I actually just recently bought a used 3090 because NVIDIA's sales strategy for the 50 series here has caused the price of 3090s to fall pretty hard. It's still in the post but I'm looking forward to it arriving for my server build.That said, even though I like used, I'm going to be looking for used Arc next time around for sure.I don't really feel any brand loyalty to any components company, so for me this is great because it's disruptive and hurts the notion that high VRAM should be really expensive. Feels like a bit of a price bubble might be about to burst.
>>106519846>>106525823>SR-IOV?Thirding this, I just need proper confirmation it's a feature. Something slot-powered with 16GB VRAM and SR-IOV sounds perfect.
