Hello /g/, newish (started daily driving in May on Manjaro, moved on to Endeavour) Linux user here! I've daily drove 3 DEs and have come to praise 1 while ranting about 2. I am on a freshly built PC (7900XTX, 9800X3D, etc) using the same two monitors I've used for years now (mixed res+refresh)>KDEI was told this is the future, the best. I grew to like it's UI the most, however All I got was failure; the one 400h session which didn't see plasma fail was a fluke!>kwin_x11plasmashell shit itself and all UI elements froze, allowing me to alt tab between windows but not do anything from the UI; learned to always keep an open console window from this... Failure happened super quick on LTS6.12, and Mainline delayed it to usually happen 70-90 hours up; watchdog console revealed a lot of opengl context losses.>kwin_waylandBetween 8 and 28 (usually around half way but I've seen both extremes) hours and output to my primary monitor froze with everything there being stuck, non intractable. Gave me a bad taste of Wayland... but may be KDE's fault?>CinnamonAs a former Wincuck, I expect my UI in a specific way to follow specific principles even though I've liberated myself from being Microsoft's slave. By default, Cinnamon's UI appealed to me, so I went with it! But then after a couple days I noticed it slowly at first, but increasingly more often after I became aware and started looking for it - Muffin kept rendering bad/junk pixels briefly before autocorrecting within the next few frames. This was very annoying and I never was able to figure out why and it drove me mad enough after a month to finally go fuck it, I'll try something else>GnomeNot daily drove, will elaborate that story too>XFCELiterally fixed everything and I will elaborate in a reply as my original OP ran way too long to actually press post
>>106531469>GnomeI didn't daily drive it, I added it to manjaro and it broke SDDM and the ability to get in at all! I managed to tty add and switch to GDM, which let me get into gnome and no other DE (they all said auth failure), and gnome itself was so alien I couldn't even find display settings, so I gave the fuck up on that rather than try to work with making something completely alien into what I want. So I hopped to my other root where I earlier added Endeavour (hoping my issues were Manjaro Jank but testing concluded they were not) and... never bothered to fix the Manjaro install because I use a shared /home anyways, already installed most of what I used there (likely minus some bloat) on EOS, and got comfy with console pacman. I went back to Cinnamon since it was mostly tolerable but it was eating at me whenever I saw the bad pixels, so something gave and I finally got my lazy complacent ass to try the hero of the day>XFCEI won't lie. I was also confused by the default UI at first, but having added xfce4 and xfce4-goodies added most of what I needed to make it my own - I figured out how to move the taskbar where I wanted, how to have it on both screens (with clocks on each, get fucked cinnamon), a familiar start menu (whisker) and my last major gripe with the UI was corrected when I discovered xfce4-docklike-plugin, added it, and then got my grouped windows with preview on hover! And 2d10h in, no opengl contexts losses, no bad pixel renders, the UI is MOSTLY as I'd like it - comfortable... I wish I had been told to go with XFCE first, because whatever everyone else is doing, it's either shit or I lost the hardware lotto, while XFCE4 Just fucking works.What would I recommend to any new Linux user? JUST GO WITH XFCE!
most users who have spent a long time on Linux will recommend you to either go with xfce or with a bare WM setup. Linux beginners (not intended to be an insult) will prefer KDE, retards and faggots will tell you to use GNOME. KDE isn't bad per-se but it's really unstable, there's a reason *krashes* exists as a meme. there's also a reason GNOME and ebussy are heavily memed on, even more so than KDE
>>106531527I genuinely wish I was told to just go with xfce, but all my friends were on KDE or Cinnamon and getting none of my edge cases...."if it works on muh steamdeck..."I didn't lose the hardware lottery, those DEs just suck.>might try experimenting with other shit but I'm keeping xfce for sure...
>>106531573I mean KDE would be genuinely good if only they spent some time fixing bugs. I don't use KDE myself (been on xfce for years at this point) but I do use one KDE program, Krita. it's just as unstable as the DE itself. krashes when copy/pasting something into an image, and lately it also completely refused to launch and I had to symlink a couple system libraries to get it to launch. that 2nd issue probably isn't even the program's fault, but the c/p krash is, they've been aware of it for months and still haven't fixed it. absolute shame
>>106531469Nice blog. I have used xfce on arch (X11) for the last 8 years on one install. It works fine, I update every 6 months to a year.
>>106531601why treat Arch like a point release? (I update frequently and restart weekly to apply) Glad that works for you bro. Had to get it off my chest, hoping people give the new better advise...>>106531598I loved the UI it's just... holy shit the issues were not worth
>delete panel 2>drag panel 1 to the bottom>move clock to right>turn off grouped windows in panel>replace menu icon with distro logo comfy xfce.
>>106531706the c in xfce stands for comfy
>>106531730the s in kde stands for stable
>>106531469I think the best out of the box experience possible on linux is with cinnamon, it's really just made with newfags in mind and I find it pretty comfy.Xfce is def my favorite though and my main de, the only downside is the default setup is horrible.
>>106531746that's why I tried cinnamon first after I got used to KDE ("it's the future and by default similar enough to Windows!") it's just... cinnamon can be kinda janky and I really didn't appreciate the bad pixel rendering errors I got with it. I genuinely cannot recommend anything I've tried with a 7900XTX, a 1080p 60hz HDMI monitor, a 1440p 144hz DP monitor OTHER than XFCE. Maybe it's for the better I had to learn a bunch of shit to try and troubleshoot but I am so glad I found my home DE.>>106531739kekked out loud
>>106531469>KDE>I was told this is the future, the best. I grew to like it's UI the most, however All I got was failure; the one 400h session which didn't see plasma fail was a fluke!either this didn't happen or you fucked something up. I used KDE for a year after switching to Linux and it only had issues once after 6.0 came out, where it would fuck with my refresh rate.XFCE is generally good but there are better choices depending on your usecase.
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>>106531469kdeautists lie and cheat, they shut off their pc every night and pretend it's not because it's a landfill of unstable bloat.
My KDE install literally bricked my system after an update. Couldn't even turn it on anymore.
>>106531469>XFCE I was also confused by the default UI at firstDefault panels on xfce is so retarded. Takes me 30m to setup panels the way I like (3 monitors, 3 panels with start menu each)Checkout xfce panel profiles so you can save+export panel configurations
>>106531469Yes Xfce is great but I don't remeber which hard drive my Oblivion save is on
