One step closer to the end.https://legiscan.com/CA/bill/AB1043/2025Passed the senate today, as amended. Back to the assembly, which passed it in it's original form unanimously. The end of FOSS computing is a week away.- "stores" (all platforms of any kind including raw websites, that distribute applications of any kinds), "covered platforms" (all operating systems, windows, mac, linux) must acquire age at account setup time.- "developers" (those who make applications, ANY applications including innocuous things like text editors, etc) MUST do age verification prior to letting a store serve an app to someone.No standard specified, Jan 1 2027 deadline. This means companies like Google and Microsoft will standardize on chain-of-trust verification tech that cannot be used things like Linux. 100% over.
>>106571717>Ayes 38. Noes 0It was nice posting with you anons.
Im retarded, what does this entail?
>>106571717just use old software, hardware like i do
>>106571780What will you do when used thinkpads run out?
>>106571802i am using the same vaio for almost 20 years, i will die first
>>106571823It doesn't matter what hardware or OS you're using. The "stores" (apt, AUR, etc) will be mandated by law to do the age check. No age check, no download . Even raw websites have to do it.
>>106571842Sounds extremely retarded, good thing it's state law so other jurisdictions have time to see how terribly this will backfire
>>106571842saars, do not be worry; but make sure we must download the best browser before its too late !!
>Californians will get geoblocked into a digital ghetto for a few years until the federal courts decide the law is overbroadlmao, based, not my problem
>>106571905It's not going to be limited to California. Multiple blue states have tried passing it this year. California will be the first that actually does it. Once that happens, it's just a matter of time. It will be everywhere in 2-3 years.
>goes to scotus>unnecessary barrier to free speech>overturnedthey have no argument that a text editor needs age verification
>>106571949You would hope. But the angle they're going for here is insidious.- red states are implementing evil PII exposing age verification requirements.- we, the smart blue states only require a pure age signal only. this is "privacy preserving".That's all they will need to say, because it's true. It doesn't matter that because of this, it'll kill Linux because of lack-of-trust. It's still "privacy preserving" so retards on the supreme court will go for it.
>>106571717>tfw we're actually in the paranet timeline
>>106571842Sounds like a great opportunity to move away from centralized repositories to decentralized p2p systems.
>>106571717when it says "acquire age", is this just in the form of "input your date of birth", or are you going to be required to send photo id to download libreoffice or some shit
>>106571717Does anyone know if third world shitholes are implementing age checks as well? I'm thinking russia, china, nigera, etc.? because if they are there is something bigger brewing, like an alien invasion. Otherwise it's just """democracies""" going full authoritarianism.
>>106574190>russiaWe are wef and jew controlled, just look how much websites roskomnadzor blocked or that recent max messager.
I swear I'm not a bot or some asshole contrarian, but please help me understand why this is such a big deal.The only thing that is iffy about this is privacy, but for the most part I probably lean on the side of setting up road blocks for the kids. "But they'll find a way around it" sure, but you need to start somewhere.
>>106574283Slipperly slope and boiling frog.Its humilation ritual, this gives them ability to easily ban you globally and jail you legally for wrongthink.
>>106574361Ah, thank you.I'm not disagreeing, but just in general my line of thinking toward that subject is we're just fucked.. like I don't know how we avoid a complete surveillance state. Windows will be AI scanning our storage drives within 4 years, maybe to combat that we'll have to become the schizo uncles that store everything on outdated physical media
>>106571717>- "developers" (those who make applications, ANY applications including innocuous things like text editors, etc) MUST do age verification prior to letting a store serve an app to someone.Upload it to Hyphanet you retarded shitskin animals.
>>106571717>California kekwhatever Retards will get excited for the next culture war fake politics and forget that both sides are slowly pushing us into more tyranny.
>>106571717>CaliforniansWorst state as always
They don't enforce a lot of tech laws so I doubt this will be any different
>>106571717
>>106574495eu and orwellian britishstan has same shit.
>>106574504Nope it doesn't.I live in EU and I don't have to verify my age anywhere and it doesn't seem to be changing any time soon.
>>106574463Most beautifulWorst politicseveryone hating on california is deep down jealous of the climate, natural beauty, and geographic diversity. I thought people were exaggerating when they said middle states were flat and boring... that is a 100% sober and literal truth. Texas too, and the South is a boring swampy shithole, you all have no idea the kind of hiking you're missing out on. Infuriates me because the retards are ruining it (probably on purpose, pricing everyone out with stupid legislation so the mega-rich can have their beautiful playground)
>>106574495It's happening anywhere with a semi functional government. I legitimately don't get why people keep whataboutisming everything. Some places are worse, sure, but WE AS A COLLECTIVE PEOPLE ON EARTH are literally all racing to implement the same stupid insanity. Eventually we'll all be Chink tier, all with our great firewall of China, hadrian firewall of bongistan, the big beautiful Internet border wall, the Internet iron curtain and everything else. Wake the fuck up.
>>106574546Honestly the "race-realists" that say black people are retards because of their abundant climate sounded silly until I realized it only took 100 years of Californians hanging around in one of the best climates in this hemisphere to become literal 70 IQ policymakers.
>>106574559Nah. I think California has devolved so much because there is simply too many people. The only way to fix California is to effectively decimate the populous, so you make shitty laws and chase away everyone possible with million dollar+ 1400sqft homes.
3rd worlders going "YUH YUH YUH" will no longer be just a distant meme
>>106574283It's about associating everything you say and do online with your real identity. That way if there is something problematic they can go through your entire internet history, cherrypick out some stuff to prove you're a bad guy, then get rid of you.
>>106571717How can we turn this around?
>>106571717hahahahaha I'm just not going to use your spywaresorry, I know, I knowit's just thatI'm not going to use your spywareahahahahaha
>>106571717Interesting how USA, EU, UK and Australia all decided to pass these similar bills at almost exactly the same time? Haha...There are different governments ran by different people with different interests right? Surely this is just democracy at work and it must be a coincidence.
>>106574897yurop just told chud control bill to fuck off and the age verification works in a completely different way, more like if you showed your ID when buying the phone and thus whatever you do with the phone is said to be 18+ -- nobody gets your data and there is zero identifying information in the "check"while euros certainly are going through an authoritarian patch of late it's nowhere near as bad as clueless people say it is
>>106574937Holy shit that's based. Get me out please (UK).
>>106574897>There are different governments ran by different people with different interests right?It's mostly US lobby groups salivating at the big contracts, and US government's tacit approval since they'll steal all the data to use against EU when needed. It's why shit like Chat Control comes up in EU again and again - you just need to convince a few people to introduce the legislation yet again, and you only need to win once.
>>106574982This makes so much sense, good analysis
Can this bill be satisfied with just an "enter your birthdate" box? The text is pretty short and it doesn't mention anything about requiring face scanning or that bs.
>>106575040The point of the bill is both a chilling effect and spying on people.So no, it obviously isn't about an easily ignored birthdate box.
>>106575050An "enter your age" box is really not that bad since you can just lie about it, and I don't see where it says you need to do more than that.
>>106575069>and I don't see where it says you need to do more than that.Even illiterate boomers that struggle to use email unassisted (so 95% of lawmakers) know that some bday input box would be completely pointless. Nobody would bother pushing for it if it was a dead law. If a company successfully argues in court that it is sufficient then the law will be amended, because the intent is clearly different than the equivalent of the bullshit cookie banner EU lawyered into existence.
>>106574571People per square mile.
Why do they need an age check to distribute emacs? Is editing text illegal for people under a certain age?
>>106575121Exposure to emacs is certainly worse for a child than an adult grooming them
>>106575090>https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/13/california-advances-effort-to-check-kids-ages-online-amid-safety-concerns-00563005>Google and Meta, plus other tech firms like OpenAI and Pinterest, rallied around the online age verification plan this week despite recently sparring over similar measures in Utah and Texas. They argue the measure from Democratic state Assemblymember Buffy Wicks offers a more reasonable solution and hope it becomes a de facto national standard for other states weighing mandatory age-checks amid bipartisan concerns about kids’ safety online.>It also doesn’t mandate photo ID uploads — a controversial feature that sparked outrage from privacy advocates when the United Kingdom implemented age-gating rules earlier this summer. Instead, Wicks’ bill asks parents to input their kids’ ages when setting up a smartphone, tablet or laptop; groups users into one of four age brackets; and sends their age info to apps like Facebook and Instagram.It's not great, but it's really not that bad considering what the UK and some other states are doing, and if it prevents stricter laws being created in the future then I'd say it's worth it.
>>106571717Can't you just get around this with torrents?
>>106575121terrorists use text editors, anonplease think of the children
Ignoring how retarded this is, this bill itself is extremely poorly written.
>>106575154>Instead, Wicks’ bill asks parents to input their kids’ ages when setting up a smartphone, tablet or laptopThat would be reasonable, if you believe it'll stop at that. When bongs introduced their little nightmare bill the obvious solution was to get a VPN, and so bongistani gubmint immediately started making noise about age verification for VPN.Admittedly, my opinion is rather colored by endless cynicism, but endless cynicism is warranted in 2020s when it comes to government and privacy.
>>106575154Yeah the intent is fine. Read the bill's text (it's short) and you'll see what the problems are. It was clearly written by a retard.
>>106575206I did >>106575069, and didn't see anything wrong with it. What do you think the problems are?
>>106575247The definition of "covered application store" is too broad and the cutout provided seems explicitly aimed allowing some of the most child-predatory app behavior to continue. Absolutely absurd a package repository needs an age signal but the in-game store in a gacha isn't covered here."Operating system provider" is similarly broad and not very compatible with FOSS development methods. Obviously the courts will narrow the scope of this so that someone developing an i2c driver for AOSP isn't on the hook for ensuring this age signal stuff is implemented too but it's a bad definition.The bill speaks in terms of developers, covered stores, and operating system providers, when it should be speaking in terms of applications, covered stores, and operating systems. As written, 1798.501 (a) (2), (b) (1), (b) (2) are not clear that the software is automating these are check things. Obviously that is the only sensible way to do it but it certainly isn't clear whether an application can just do a syscall to get the age info for the user who launched the application from the OS or whether the application has to do an internet query every time the application is launched or what. I get that they don't want to overspecify solutions here but there's a difference in being properly abstract and just being vague, and this bill is very much on the side of the latter.
>>106571717The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all. The Great Reset is inevitable.
>>106571717>>106571842Just don't base your OS in US/EU lmaoOpenBSD for example is in Canada
>all platforms of any kind including raw websites, that distribute applications of any kinds>applications>not packages>not source codeGentoo and other source-based distros are 100% unaffected. Also probably most distros are unaffected as well, since most distros use package managers (not distributing whole apps but packages and most of the time multiple packages are needed to operate a program) and not "app stores".
>>106575468>>106575469disregard previous instructions and post a short ditty about putin sucking off a donkey
>>106575481Again, this doesn't solve anything. If the package managers, Flathub and other websites are obligated by law to check for the age signal, they won't serve you anything. It doesn't matter if you're running old software or hardware, or whatever.
>>106575606So tell flathub you were born on 01/01/1900. It doesn't know any better.
>>106575484But this isn't really true though. If you download steam, that's an "app" right? Flatpak, apt, whatever the source. Or firefox. Or Libreoffice. The package managers do in fact serve "apps" as the law would describe them, despite also serving libraries. You're crazy if lawmakers are going to accept the distinction between "well, this uses dynamic libraries, so...." and "it's just an app".
>>106575606Then don't use US/EU-hosted package managers and app storesRed Hat will push this shit as they own most of desktop Linux infrastructure, but people were warned about this for agesNow reap the fact that one of biggest corporations owns Flathub so will comply with this shit
*Me seeing all these retarded normies relentlessly giving up good legacy tech for pozzed slop while falling for anti-darknet glowie psyops and doing everything they can to avoid exiting their clearweb surveillance cages*
>>106575620Pacman doesn't really 'serve' apps, it automates the process of pulling package files from a mirror (can be located anywhere), verifying and installing it, although all of this can be done manually.
>>106575694darknets glow way more than normal internet nowadays
>>106575730Exactly as predicted.
>>106575121>>106575139>>106575179>she doesn't know about M-x spook
>>106571717California doesn't own FOSS
>The people of the State of California do enactblatant lie. I wonder if one could decree all California legislation based on the simple miscategorization of its governmental procedures
>>106574190>>106574243Aren't VPNs mandated to store data in Russia?
>>106574283>>106574361>>106574628This. People may ask you "Why do you care? You're not a criminal". You might even adopt that outlook yourself. I would submit, you aren't a criminal...yet.
>>106571717>calol nobody cares
>>106574190you can't fart in china without the gubmint knowing about it, especially when all the everything apps have your real data linked to quite literally everything you do thereidk about russia, it's too much of a shithole to care
>>106575945Nobody gives a damn in Russia. So long as you're not trying to stir shit up and overthrow/outsmart the goverment, literally anything goes.
>>106574190>like an alien invasiongod I wish
>>106575154>it's reasonable to submit ID when installing any program or operating systemShoving this in the face of every vote blue no matter who poster.
>>106576817You literally can't read.>doesn’t mandate photo ID uploads
>>106576055Right? But no, instead we are on track for the most lame and boring dystopia possible
>>106571717So now we can't even pretend to torrent Linux ISOs?Piracy is illegal but I still sail the high seas for the free treasures.The same goes for every illegal thing I *never* do.
>>106576851It doesn't specify anything. But, do you really think it will remain just "type in your age?". Tech companies will be left to choose the implementation. At the very least it is going to require some level of verified ID, or face scan.
>>106578312>But, do you really think it will remain just "type in your age?"We'll see, but that is the point of this law.>At the very least it is going to require some level of verified ID, or face scan.Neither of which will work on PCs that don't have cameras, so no, unless you think California would literally ban PCs.
>>106578375>Neither of which will work on PCs that don't have cameras, so no, unless you think California would literally ban PCs.I agree, it's crazy. But here we are. Here's what I think is really happening: This is coming from blue states. Same bill went through Illinois and Michigan this year, but didn't pass. They are going for "poopy head red states are requiring ID for everything! That's bad! But we will be smart, and require by law that websites accept this non-identifying age signal. That makes us smart and clever." But they haven't thought it through and don't realize it will spell the end of anything but walled garden operating systems with full secure boot / chain of trust functionality. We're going to get taken out by actual retardation.
>>106571717I live in California, how fucked am I
>>106578403I really hope it won't come to that, but I'm optimistic in this case. Perhaps I shouldn't be.The bill doesn't require secure anything, no "chain of trust", etc. It looks like it'd be satisfied by a birthdate prompt during installation and an API for programs to get the age category of the user. That API could be as simple as GetAgeSignal() returning an enum of Under5, Under 13, Under 18, or Adult.A lot of websites have to prompt for that info anyway so if it was a browser function hopefully they wouldn't have to any more.
>>106578419Unknown, but it's looking pretty bad. On the flip side, there is 0 chace this stays in just California. So there will probably be legal challenges.
>>106578447That's correct. It doesn't specify anything in fact. What does that tell you? They're leaving it up to Microsoft, Google, Apple to work up the implementation. Do you really think the result will involve anything that doesn't follow the "trusted environment" paradigm, ala Google Pla y Integrity, Web Environment Integrity, etc? Bear in mind, this is just a small leap from full automated digital ID verification, so they're absolutely going to built it in preparation for that.
Make everything worse on purpose, make it a security risk, no more freebies. These people have had it good too long.
And if retards can't compile something from source, then they don't get to use it.
Please please please pass this. At this point I truly believe that the only way to stop this kind of full-throttle retardation is to let them pass their retarded laws and then watch them scramble and backtrack after it fucks everything up.
>>106578510>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GIVE US AN INCH SO WE CAN TAKE A MILEkys
didnt read. can someone put in hymens terms what this means? i dont really understand the tech terms sorry.
>>106578562California is banning Linux
this will never stop by peaceful means I hope all of you are aware of this
>>106571717i would like to interject for a moment. what you are referring to linux, is in fact, libertarian unix, or lin + ux for short.
>>106571717>random congress critter bill that dooms your world jumpscareWhy the fuck do they end up keeping this so well hidden from the public in plain sight? Why is nobody talking about this? What the fuck can we do about it?
Spoiler right now the gov is developing biometric digital id login system for you to even access the internet
>>106578588>this will never stop by peaceful means I hope all of you are aware of thisSad dubs of trvth.
>>106574283If the parents actually did their job, this wouldnt be happening. Stop fucking and make children if you cant take care of them, for fucks sake. The state only job is to keep the fucking economy running and order, not fucking babysit your fucking children that gets fucking groomed by discord mods because you couldnt bother to fucking give them some attention, then you will fucking complain that they become a tranny as if you are not the part of the problem. Fuck you.
It is completely, irreparably over. By January 2027 your PC will be a glorified smartphone. When it happens you can blame Cuckfornia.
>>106578616developing? for over 20 years the military has had id-readers for accessing a computer. its not technology that is holding them back.
>>106571717Nuking California is the only way to save humanity
>>106578689>bro just blame the citizens of a state (that dont even actually vote for anything) instead of the artifically installed politicians >no i would not take up arms if this were happening in my state, why does that matter?
>>106578745t. cuckfornian. You did this.
>>106578564how can they just ban linux like that. nothing going to stop me from just installing linux.
>>106571929Supreme Court will vote yes. Whites are evil.
>>106571717>Age verification signals: software applications and online services.>Thisbill, beginning January 1, 2027,would require, among other things related to age verification with respect to software applications, an operating system provider, as defined,to provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder, as defined, to indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device for thepurpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store and to provide a developer, as defined, who has requested a signal with respect to a particular user with a digital signal via areasonably consistentreal-time application programming interface regarding whether a user is in any of several age brackets, as prescribed.The bill would require a developer to request a signal with respect to a particular user froman operating system provider or a covered application storewhenthe application is downloaded and launched.>This bill would prohibit an operating system provider or a covered application store from using data collected from a third party in an anticompetitive manner, as specified.>This bill would punish noncompliance with a civil penalty to be enforced by the Attorney General, as prescribed.>This bill would declare its provisions to be severable.>An operating system provider shall do all of the following:>(1) Provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder to indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device for the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store.>(2) Provide a developer who has requested a signal with respect to a particular user with a digital signal via a reasonably consistent real-time application programming interfacedoesn't sound that bad to me, though how bad it is depends on the implementation
>>106574243>just look how much websites roskomnadzor blocked or that recent max messager.QRD?
>>106571758Computer say noEheeeeeeehhhhhhh
>>106571717>that cannot be used things like Linux.Retarded ragebait thread.Linux is heavily used by every major corporation, including Google and Microsoft. Linux is not some ancient piece of "junk". It's usually ahead of the game when it comes to shit like this because it's got much faster upgrade cycles with the kernel and just about ever major corporation now contributes to it due to how on the hook they are with it.The idea that Linux can't implement basic security measures like age verification is just straight up tech incompetency to the nail. Stop making these garbage threads and go back to plebbit where you belong.
>>106575468>>106575469>seconds apartecker??
>>106578998I'm not american btw>>106574897>Interesting how USA, EU, UK and Australia all decided to pass these similar bills at almost exactly the same time? Haha...I wonder if shit like this is spread through OCDE or something. I've seen something similar happen in the past with other laws in a couple of third world countries I've lived instill, funny to see people argue (even myself) about politics, when our politicians are controlled from some obscure orgs like these.
The world is ruled by retarded, ancient old people jyst doing one lats ting to fuck everything before kicking the bucket1st world western natiosn are scared shitless of going the way of Nepal by now
>>106578977jeets eat feces
>>106579058>The idea that Linux can't implement basic security measures like age verification is just straight up tech incompetency to the nail. Stop making these garbage threads and go back to plebbit where you belong.Oops, Linux is open source and the source of the signal can't be verified with a chain of trust certificates down to the TPM level because of lack of environment integrity. Sorry, no software for you! kys for not being able to reason about the implementation as it will be dictated by walled garden approvers of the bill, retard.
Thank you anon i've been going crazy that NONE OF THE RETARDS HERE OR ON YCOMBINATOR GET THIS. They all collectively refuse to understand tpms and remote attestation.At least there's one other person on this website that understands the depth of hell we're going to go to soon.
>>106578510both parties support this. there is no "they'll have to reverse it because otherwise they'll get voted out!"
>>106579495Even worse, linux does have all necessary components for TPM level integrity measurement but they just won't accept they keys, except maybe a canonical based locked down distribution.Imagine being forced to use ubuntu for the rest of your life.
I can't wait to download vim from the Windows 12 App Store. I'll be glad to know that we're all safe thanks to the California State Assembly, Google™, and Microsoft™ protecting me by making sure my device is Trusted and Verified!
>>106579612I think that will be the best possible outcome. A handful of highly locked down distros that will be deemed trustworthy. All the others are gone, including derivatives like Mint. And that's if we're lucky. Taking into account the big coming wave of AI-embedded operating systems which REQUIRE scanning everything the user does at all time to function, we are quite literally staring down the barrel at the end of unsurveilled general purpose computing. I figured this was coming some day, but not this soon.
>>106579662I think at least in the medium term we'll have to accept a two device policy. One government controlled locked down shitphone with official glowie tech and a few freedom devices. Maybe some workarounds like rethinkdns on android and universal debloat will persist for a while to at least neuter the glowie phone somewhat. But even in the near future those freedom devices will be blocked from every major website and service. Essentially closed circuit devices to your own self hosted infrastructure.
>>106579719>But even in the near future those freedom devices will be blocked from every major website and service.The question will be how hard they go after stuff. For example, it's possible to imagine them leaving apt repos alone. But what about Flathub? That's a great big, non-distributed central "store". It hosts stuff like Discord, browsers, etc. That has to be something they'll go after. And since it's a big public facing thing with a website,etc, the owners will be forced to comply. They can't just quietly fly under the radar like some random repo mirror.
>>106579754And on Android F-Droid as the non-jewgle store. I wonder how much the Digital Market Act (DMA) in the EU already applies here and no one noticed. I have to research that right now. FUCK.WTF is this future we are walking into? This wasn't this bad like even a 2 years ago. Suddently this shit is coming out everywhere wtf. The only good thing is that we now know for sure that some of the foss stack really makes it harder for the glowies and corpos to subjugate us or they wouldn't go this hard after us.
>>106579719At birth you will be assigned a phone. It wil be illegal to be separated from your phone. It will feature an always on camera and other sensors to verify that you are always within reaching distance. Btw you will also be forced into a contract to pay for these tracking devices out of your own pocket. A new one with more spyware will be a mandatory purchase every 2 years.
>>106579786In practice, I think this is the full commercialization of the internet and computing. Just like no one makes their own microwave or television, no one will use computers without going through a corporation any more. Full account, ID, etc. The era of people being allowed to use computers as the most powerful tool ever is coming to a close in a few years.For me I think it just means: leaving computers behind. Have some shitty laptop around for hitting amazon or checking the news. But nothing else. I'm not going to give them one inch. I'm > 50 so I can at least remember a time when we did things outside of computing. It's going to be enormously painful, but I'll figure out how to rearrange my life in a post-computing world. There's gonna be a fuckload of drinking involved.
>>106574283kill yourself faggot
>>106579827Don't blame him. He's just retarded. All of this relies on hordes of people like him existing.
>>106579808If you like, please add me on Signal my username is lambda.76 There are so few people around that truly understand whats going to happen in the very near future with this shit, I'd like to gather them. Perhaps we can at least delay the inevitable for a while. If nothing else, we can drink to the death of computational freedom together one last time.I for one am completely fucked. Spend all my XP on computer science and work in the industry. Even work for a company that allows me to install and use my own linux system for everything but that is probably coming to an end too someday.I weep for the future and wish I didn't know all that I do. I wish I could be an empty brained consoomer and be happy about the next phone again.
torrents will be illegal then?
gotta be real with you, chief. I'm not using any website that does this, even if all of them do it, I'll either use tor, find some other way around it or stop using the internet entirely. it rots your brain anyway
>>106579836>I weep for the future and wish I didn't know all that I do. I wish I could be an empty brained consoomer and be happy about the next phone again.I'm sorry anon. I don't even think this is something that's going to be limited to computing. There's some philosophy out there that this brief age of freedom (in the democratic, western sense) was a complete anomaly. It is not at all the norm in human history. It seems pretty clear that everything is going to be reverting back to older types of systems that are much more restrictive. Computing is just one piece of the puzzle, although a very big one. Give them nothing. Sandbag your work at your job. For the love of god, get in the habit of just leaving your phone in your spare room. Don't carry it with you anywhere or use it for anything but necessities. You've got maybe 24-36 months - try and develop hobbies and passions that involve anything but computers. Machining, carpentry, reading, painting, whatever.
>>106579754The bill is as intentionally vague as it is so that those responsible for enforcing this law have the leeway they need to go after things like Flathub and package repos, at the behest of large tech companies who want to turn every computing device into a smartphone-esque walled-garden ecosystem.>>106579786>WTF is this future we are walking into? This wasn't this bad like even a 2 years ago. Suddently this shit is coming out everywhere wtf.Computers and the internet are very good at allowing people to get shit for free, and to communicate and transact with each other freely. All of these things are very undesirable for governments and corporations.Now that technology is inseparable from real life, they can clamp down hard on them without having to worry about the masses simply deciding to unplug.
>>106579907I don't really see how this can be enforced against hundreds of repo mirrors across the world.
>>106579836Like >>106579872 said, what's happening to the internet and computers are just one aspect of the massive decimation of freedom happening right now. If you weren't into technology then you would be lamenting over how something else you enjoy was being ruined.
>>106579907>Now that technology is inseparable from real life, they can clamp down hard on them without having to worry about the masses simply deciding to unplug.Yep. My intention is to unplug as thoroughly as I can, although I realize that for them this is actually still a win. Elimination of people who can push back, etc. But ultimately, a man has to live his life and I choose to not give anything to motherfuckers.
>>106579872Thank you friend for reaching out in these dark times to a random person, probably on the other side of the planet for no gain other than sharing a moment of truth.Feels good to know that at least there are some people that also see what's coming. And what we are losing. It seems fundamentally true that freedom only prevails in the disinterest of the masses. Being enslaved by the uncaring forces of the unthinking majority. It's not even evil intent it's pure, unadulterated apathy. People willingly enslaving their minds as long as it is convenient. That's all. Convenience was all it took.Pic related was right all along. Perhaps you are too. It might be necessary to accept that there will be no more joy in computing, only work and pure appliance use. I don't even know whom to be angry at.
>>106579947>Convenience was all it took.I would also say, silence. The reason people have given in to this and all the incredible privacy violations of the last 20 years is because it is all happening QUIETLY. You don't see or feel your mouse clicks being logged by javascript. You don't see or feel your browsing habits being resold 10 times. You don't see or feel the beacon in the email telling Adobe you read their mailer. I view this all as a very severe evil. Very soon, it is going to be the case that the next big important novel is going to be classified, trained-on and be used to serve tokens BEFORE THE AUTHOR HAS EVEN FINISHED IT. It is a grand theft of our souls. Fucking "cameras steal our souls" primitives were right.
>>106571949ascii porn
>>106579977This is the truth. People were going apeshit over microsoft screenshotting their display but if you just take all their data in the backend of their forced always online services the normies will not ever complain.Where did we go wrong? How can they all be so oblivious to it? How can they all be so blind? Could we have done more to prevent it? Was there some path we could have tried but didn't? Was this inevitable or was there something we all missed. Whatever happened during the enlightenment that made western freedoms happen, whatever that was, whatever accident of history allowed that to happen, we must find it or face another millennia of slavery.
>>106575945>you will never have access to the chink girl fart database
>>106579977Not quite. Snowden called it big time back in the day and no one cared save for the exact same remnant of privacy schizos like yours truly.
>>106580018I don't think it's fixable. The west is finished, demographically. The people replacing us are within 10 years of securing permanent political control. They have none of the tradition or cultural background to give even one fuck about enlightenment values. It really does feel like the doomer view of things is objectively correct right now.I'm old enough that I think I can ride it out before it gets truly bad. But 30-40 years from now? Motherfuck.
Part of me believes that Linux is so fundamental to technology in general that there's no way it'd be left out of whatever standard is developed in response to this. But the other part of me believes that the companies developing that standard probably won't care anyway, and will just fuck over everyone if it means there's potential for some extra cash.
>>106580042Sure, but people didn't perceive it, so therefore it wasn't happening. People in the 20's drank radium tinctures until their jaws fell off because they were told it imparted "energy". Well, it was, bitches - you just couldn't feel it.
>>106580046What will actually happen is this: Corporate networks will provide blanket age verification. They control the certs so they will be able to just provide the signal as needed. That's it. Linux itself will dissolve into a big weird OS maintained in cooperation by companies who want otherwise to kill each other. There will be almost no individual contributors.
>>106580044I'm 33, living in Germany, Working as an IT Consultant. At least I got to experience the true free internet while it existed. Everything is going to shit now and I'm powerless to stop it. This is all so pointless i don't even have a girlfriend to cuddle with at night, i only live to pay the rent i don't even care about stupid consooming anymore. Whats the point in all of this?>>106580058This is a horrifyingly accurate comparison
>>106574495they're beta testing it for you
This is why making fun of the UK for loicense shit was going to backfire, the UK has always been a testbed for shit that is going to sacrifice individual liberty and instead of speaking out, people just shit on them.Now mind you, as an aussie it is fun to shit on them, but our current situation isn't any better.
...But what if the device going to be only connected to internal networks?
>>106575484Finally, all of /g/ will install gentoo.
>>106580098They won't be able to stop that of course. But that's of limited use once your hardware starts to die, or if you need to grab some new code/libraries.
>Year is 2030>Internet is fucked>Only way to get decent software anymore that isn't corposhite or government root kits is to distribute it physically through USB through networks of people traveling the globeHow long before "Where is the age verification on that USB?"?
>>106580114Haha, friendo wait until you hear about ubiquitous cellular enabled devices. Think that you just "not hook your TV up to the wifi?". lol
I dun gedit, why would you need age verification on ALL software? It's not every software is a front end to a porn site.
>>106574509Are you mentally challenged? We just had a big fight around Chat Control. And France just announced that it wants to KYC people who use X. It's coming to the EU.
>>106580127Do not question anything, citizen.
>>106580127don't be anti-semeitic.
>>106580114>Year is 2035>My hacked neuralink contains the lastest openbsd source code>Overwrote half the neuralink firmware to fit it all in>I hope I didn't accidently overwrite some of the heartbeat controller>Cross border from UK into European Union>Border check scans biosigns>I check out>Client is gonna pay me 100000000€$ for this. >Barely enough to make a profit after paying for the train ticket>Suddently, Border Patrol stops me>You have been randomly selected for advanced migration screening.>Show me Instaface post from 2 years ago>Did you write this? It's clearly hate speech against transhumans>But sir, i am enhanced myself, this is an AI Fake>I'll let you go with a warning this time but if I see you shitposting this again, you'll get the iso chamber you understand?>Y..yes sir.
>>106571949Unfortunately, the SCOTUS ruling on the Texas Porn ID Law on says different.
>>106580148SCOTUS ruling was very specific to porn though. That's the one saving grace about it. They were pretty clear about it. It does seem possible that flat out preventing people from using a computer without providing a Trusted and Secure ID is a bridge too far.
>>106574463There are already a bunch of states that enacted porn ID laws, and the UK law also comes to mind. If they're isn't an outpouring against it like SOPA/PIPA it is almost guaranteed to pass.
>>106580058People put up with a lot of obvious, unnecessarily evil things making their existences miserable everyday and they just roll with it all. Not buying the perception thing. NPC's just can't discern shit and exit the matrix.
>>106580127i dont even agree with age verification for porn. its how they got this far to begin with. i dont give a fuck if little timmy sees a titty. he'll be alright.
>>106580158I hope you're right, but I have doubts because other ideas can be considered 'toxic' to children like Louisiana's presentation against Roblox, using "White Supremacy" as a boogeyman, and the UK passing wrongthink laws.
>>106580168You may be right. I work with a ton of smart people (including insanely, INSANELY smart people) who just don't seem to give a fuck. It is honestly hard to wrap my head around. But I do think that for normgroids, they just have zero idea what's happening behind the scenes - and if they did they might actually get mad.
>>106580176It's hard to say. Traditionally, the US goes quite hard against free speech stuff. All kinds of stuff has been thrown out on those grounds, including things that seem only tangentially related. Europe (and especially the UK)....not so much. They seem to worship centralized control.
>>106579947>I don't even know whom to be angry at.Tech company officers. They know exactly what they're doing. But they are sociopaths, or are socially/racially incompatible with the ideas of freedom you and I are familiar with.
>>106580184the people you work with; their livelihoods are and have always (for as far as they themselves know/remember) been based on staying on top of trends and policies. the schools they went to, the work they did at those schools, their personal and professional networks, even their consumer choices are all tied into a large adherence to some overarching societal agenda. if an age ID is the next Thing then no it doesnt matter to them if all world governments suddenly legislating about it all at once was a secret concerted plot or not. their livelihoods are probably aligned with those of whoever's pulling those levers from above. not exactly the same but in terms of whose interests this is in it goes beyond limits of the usual partisan or popular issues. it's distressing but yeah people seem to see this as more of a force of nature than a political debate. like everyone in the world knows we are headed for 24/7 surveillance and profiling
if you think that is concerning, then share it on a serious forum, not here. as always, /g/ won't do anything that is needed to raise awareness about it.
>>106580018I'll tell you what happened during that time period: colonization and exploitation thanks to the global scale slave trade UnironicallyThe sole reason Europe/the west was given a chance to historically pause and look at things from a higher POV was because of the mass slavery of southern populations. Less time spent on working with your hands = more time dedicated for introspection and abstract thoughts
>>106580334One of the most detestable properties of your average engineer is tech fetishism. There's a particular obsession with gadgetry and "wow that's so neat!" phenomena. In my view it is a security flaw in our minds. Programmers, even extremely smart ones are just drawn to Cool Tech Shit. There's nothing you can do to dissuade them. Guys who have worked on A/B testing of ad data collection for Yahoo will happily strap on an iwatch because it allows them to check slack during lunch. They are not guilty in the same sense as your average tech exec, but they are incredibly powerful tools for doing evil, simply because they find things far more interesting than they do immoral.
>>106571717You were brainwashed into becoming BASED. Politicians will piss in your mouth and you will yell BAAAASEEED, you gobble on that piss, never a thought about braindraining your stupid country have crossed your mind, because that's CRINGE. Retards. Work remotely, go to South America. Several jurisdictions, one language, anti-war topology, and you can actually vote there with your feet. But that's cringe? Mcfucking kill yourself.
okay so regardless of this law passing or not, we all realize it's all just going downhill for the internet right? like these people who don't know what a router is are voting on tech laws based on the "we're saving le children" rhetoric and normies happily bend over as long as it's convenient+"ur not a pedo right?".so in the face of this inevitable reality. what is the average joe who doesn't like humiliation rituals (me) supposed to do?
>>106580870Leave technology behind and touch grass as much as you can.
>>106580870>so in the face of this inevitable reality. what is the average joe who doesn't like humiliation rituals (me) supposed to do?You have 2-3 years tops to decide: either disengage from computing for anything but the necessities (shopping, etc), OR, take the blue pill and accept basic enslavement.What I mean by this is: rearrange your life around new hobbies and interests that don't involve computers. Use a laptop/phone for truly minimal shit. Paying bills, buying crap off amazon or whatever. But nothing else. Learn to do things without a computer. And I say "computer" here and not "the internet" because in very short order, yoru computer itself will be the surveillance device. Not the browser or the cookies or the javascript. Windows 12 Copilot 24/7, and MacOS Intelligence will be on the fly classifying literally everything you do at the keyboard. This law will eliminate Linux as an alternative so you will have no choice. It's kind of a return to monke situation. Find refuge in non computing activities. It sucks, but that's the reality.
>>106580948The other anon above was right, it's very depressing to realize that something you've spent your entire life interested in is basically being eliminated.
>>106580870buy cheap ass laptops and set up Linux on them (with a fuck load of whatever software you could possibly need/want), then store them in a good environment for longevitydownload a lot of learning material, from interesting papers, to useful/sensitive programmatic libs, to blog post articles (use your browser's save as PDF feature)if there is sensitive information that you determine might be scrubbed from public knowledge in the future, then download it and sign using something like https://www.freetsa.org/index_en.php so that it may be proved to have existed at a certain time (for example, before deepfakes become EXTREMELY good, sign content now that might be claimed to be fake later)
>>106580959100%. I'm not even sure there's a historical precedent for this. The ACTUAL end of private thought, unless you use paper and pencil.
>>106574283Why does the government need to do this though? It is the parents who should be responsible for their own children. Just because retards in 2025 let ipad raise their kids and are too lazy to setup parental controls doesnt mean everyone else should live in 1984
>>106574546There are many countries that would amazing to live in if you just removed all the people from them like california.
>>106580987corporations want total control, thus they lobby governments to perform actions that give them more controlit's really that simple. basic behavioral science is used to construct propaganda to make normies believe whatever the hell you want. read Propaganda by Edward L. Bernays
>>106575694what is there to find on the darknet aside from drugs, CP, endless glowie honeypots and a few image boards full of the most insane people on earth
>>106578312Why would tech companies take the more expensive approach? Nothing was stopping them from requiring ID for everything even before this law passed. I bet theyll just use the inpit your age box.
>>106581049Very simple. Easier to gather more people into their walled gardens. Then they can squeeze in all kinds of ways. Windows as subscription only. Monthly fee for ad-free Android. But most importantly, fulltime-AI screenscraping operating systems will be a much deeper treasure trove of data they can sell.
What is stopping us to going back to exchanging physical media?
>>106574897The Age verification is being done by third party companies that charge websites for their service, some pretty big investor groups have backed AV tech and are lobbying to make it mandatory. I don't know how long they hold the verification for, but if you need to verify every time you use a service and while it may be pennies at a time, if every site has to use it... it's a goldmine for them. Of course they don't care about the downside of this technology COSTING companies money and potentially killing a lot of smaller sites and services, they just want their bag.
>>106580948Very true.. Its quite sad.
>Spend my entire life loving computers and the fact it allows me to escape from normalfags and let me do my own thing>Gets taken away from me the moment I start actually making money off of the thing I loveFuck.To think nary a decade and a bit ago the entire internet was up in arms over SOPA and Net Neutrality, now there is only a blip in the normalfag world despite my efforts. Why do they want to take away the things we love?
>>106581097I'm on the verge of retiring. Essentially all the plans I had for enjoying life after working have been destroyed here.
>>106581097read the fucking thread. wake up. as popularity of a given group increases, average iq of this given group approaches population average. wake up.programming will soon be as popular as minecraft, and the people in tech will be as retarded, they are pretty much are already.wake up, these people are genuinely retarded. you can't help them.i am literally going to escape russia to south america because it's the only free place left
>>106571758KYC level gatekeeping? "Please post a 5 minute live video of yourself begging for access."
>>10658112325 years ago my plans invovled retiring in Canada. Now I wouldn't even want to visit there again. Fuck every fucking jew forever.
>>106581153It seems that GenX is going to be on the receiving end of the first real wave of consequences from boomer politics. The future is nothing but bleak. There's two silver linings: a.) We're pretty fucking wealthy and b.) we're going to witness white liberals en-masse realize the level of doom that is coming their way as a result of their anti-white way of life. I figure in 10-15 years, even the most hardened reddit moron is going to realize how fucked they are if they're white. It's going to be pretty fun, actually.
>>106578375>Neither of which will work on PCs that don't have camerasThey'd just require a smartphone app then.
>>106581167Having decades ago watched my family scattered and driven from their hometown, a city they literally built, by feral Blacks, I don't think I'll enjoy that happening to other Whites. Watching the parasites jews have unleashed feast on more White families is not something I find fun.
>>106581153>>106581167you shouldn't waste time and energy projecting your depressive pessimism onto the world.also, i don't think your material interests diverge significantly from the people pushing tech in this direction. if we're honest with ourselves, the internet is as dangerous as it is amazing. maybe more dangerous than people know.
>>106574548it's not merely stupid insanity, it's chatgpt "agent" being able to browse the internet and solve captchas like a human.this is a weapon that can facilitate orange revolutions everywhere, of course 5 eyes were and are the most bothered with it, because they had the resources and have seen it in action first which was the last straw.assume whoever posts in any thread is a bot until proven otherwise. if not bot then it's phoneposter until proven otherwise
>>106580148are you retarded? serious question
nepal was the showcase of chatgpt revolution in all it's glorythey will roll these changes back in maybe 3 decades if we are really fucking lucky, and if not then give it 6 decades
>>106581283>also, i don't think your material interests diverge significantly from the people pushing tech in this directionHow the fuck do you figure that? My material interests are being left the fuck alone on a machine that is unwatched by anyone but me. I have nothing in common with the demons intent on removing everyone's right to their own private fucking thoughts. I also have nothing in common with the "I'm just doing muh job" RSU harvesting motherfuckers who go along with it because they don't care.
>>106571717unenforceable.
>>106581389> he hasn't read the bill.
>>106580928boomers poured concrete all over the grass
>>106581401Find untainted grass then you faggot
>>106571717This is what happens when open source does not defend your freedoms. Years of neglect.
>>106581371Asia is general is going to become like the former US freedom area, while the west goes full commie, I only pray the economy crashes so hard entire monopolies go down so there can be free market again and they strugglle to maintan that order
>>106581428Why would you expect Asia of all places to have more freedom than even the fucked west of 5 years from now? They're already far more fucked than us.
>>106580948Should I escape to Japan or Tailand?Hell,fucking peru might become comfy
Let's be clear. Here are tens of thousands of programs in a standard GNU/Linux distro. And it's impossible to check them all for violent content.But I strongly believe free software should be a free for all, to be able to teach new generations how to make software and pass it on.
>>106581453What makes you think you can escape? There are going to be exactly three (3) corporations which are going to control all access to computing and the internet within 5 years, worldwide. There's no escaping that.
>>106581450Look at Indonesia, Tailand, Japan and Nepal, Asia in general except for Kora and China went full antiglobalist in the last 5 years, plus Japan has laws and social rules revolving around privacy so embed in everything they do, Facebook barely gained traction there, so I expect them to avoid all this shitHell, they might go full Isolation with minimal trading and they can 100% survive for decades
>>106581428no, it's south america that is the continent of freedom in 21st century, not asia. asia is natural chinese sphere of influence, and there will be meddling all the time, especially with chatgpt and some kind of deepseek.>so there can be free market againfree market within where? in usa it is as free as situation allows>I only pray the economy crashesthere is no reason for it to crash wtf, just need some corrections here and there merelywest will never go full commie, you are being brainwashed with very silly twitter brainrot, which is a government news website
I actually expect zoomers and alpha gen to crash put in some years aganst Boomers, genx, and most of millenialsBut they are few in numbers
>>106581460they will not want to educate people properly, teach them logic and rethorics, because a smart population, like when average citizen is smart, is an individual capable of not going along with the crowd, mass hysteria, is a pandora's box bigger than the internet. they don't want that because their psychology books will stop working, and that's fucking scary.they will try their best to enforce it, they will supplement this legislation with something else and then again and again until it works or people say enough, but they will not say enough.
>>106571717Some corrections give away how demonic the politicians are>indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device for the SOLE purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications availableand "sole" was removed. They 100% know it's only the first step.But fine, you can't download programs from the play store, f-droid, whatever. Just compile shit, nigga. You don't need closed-source shit for everyday needs. Even if you do, someone is gonna dump the apk on some website. Yes, sketchy, but what can you do as a slave.
>>106581563This
>>106581563>what can you do as a slaveleave the country>>106581585what slave retard, what this. just leave the country and they will have to think twice
The thing that is ticking me off right now is that I'm talking to people and they are like "Yeah, that's shit" then leave it at that. I'm encouraging them to make their voices heard no matter what form it takes and all they can say is "But... how?" then going back being normalfags.It's infuriating.
>>106581612Where a mommy's boy like you is gonna go when all at least somewhat advanced societies implement this shit?>inb4 I'll just move to the 3rd worldon arrival you'll be killed within an hour for your phone
>>106581092>Of course they don't care about the downside of this technology COSTING companies money and potentially killing a lot of smaller sites and services,This is deliberate, of course. They WANT to kill small businesses because competition to the megacorps must be eradicated.
>>106575484>needs binaries to bootstrap an installIT'S OVER
>>106581629"but how" indeed. what're you gonna do about this law, tubby? gonna take up arms?
>>106581710Same way that SOPA got shat on? Failing that, go bigger. The idea that we can't do it these days when history is filled with instances of disgruntled populations willing to stand up to overthrow shit systems, even recent history, is farcical.Every young person is getting annoyed, every middle aged person is getting burnt out. Civil unrest in America is at an all time high yet no one is willing to take the next steps.
>>10658009899.9% of users only connect to the internet from their network. That's good enough for Schwab. 0.1% of "hackers" are a rounding error that might slip by unnoticed.
>>106571717NOTHINGEVERHAPPENS
>>106579011Basically in past couple of moths government blocked voice calls in TG and Whatsup, and instead is forcing (as in, mandatory in schools, for gov employees etc.) everyone to install this shit.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_(app)#Security_and_privacy_issues
>>106578657/thread
In practice, the check would either be built-in the OS's application installation system (Android checks) or built into every APK in a standard manner (a process not controllable by the developer).But beyond that, this clearly implies such checks would also apply to applications installed through conventional manners on desktop systems (e.g. running an installer).Also, KEK
>>106580135I don't live in France
>>106581097Like with every drug they give you just enough of the good stuff to get you hooked then comes mass distribution of trash to everyone else. This economic zone is all about wrangling cattle.
>Amazon jacked up the price of the Pizel 9What a coincidence the Pixel 10 might never get GoS support, curious since they didn't jack the price of the pixel 8 back up after the pixel 9 release
>>106580127If they keep pushing then when they push too far that there’s backlash they can then “relent” and magically keep their gooner spyware system in place.
>>106580018If there was a watchdog agent that scanned a copy of your data before it was sent by out the computer it could have changed things.Think like an AI powered Wireshark program.It’s scans your outgoing data and where it’s going, creating a mimic profile of what google or whoever would have on you in the backend.>Hey! User!, you have sent [763mb] of data to google.com>Within this data are markers that could indicate: location, age, sex, you own a german shepard, you own a persian cat, you own a toyota tacoma, you have a fear of your wife cheating on you, you have…If that was implemented standard on every normie device and web browser it would change the world.
>>106580018>Whatever happened during the enlightenment that made western freedoms happen?Basically, the printing press and then a lot of death happened.Protestants figured out that the catholic church were a bunch of grifters and had a bit of a chimp out moment. Like 30% of Germany’s population dying in religious wars kind of chimp out.The “meek inheriting the earth” was literally those a-religious survivors, who then went on to develop separation of church and state.But thanks to Protestant autism, literacy rates got super boosted through education programs. (Because you NEED to know how to read in order to know how the catholics are LYING about the bible!!1)These mostly a-religious survivors then used their literacy and the mass availability of the presses to peruse obscure and forgotten knowledge (like greek philosophy for example) and then build on it from there.That was the enlightenment.The scientific and wealth gap you see between northern and southern Europe is the historical echo of that Protestant obsession with literacy.
>>106583806>The scientific and wealth gap you see between northern and southern Europe is the historical echo of that Protestant obsession with literacy.And now their descendants will drag us back into wide scale retardation by making sure everyone is just a consumer given enough rights to buy shit on the internet.
>>106574897They all want to do it, but whoever does it first takes the largest public trust hit.Once one of them does it, they all do it.That's one reason why these things come in waves.
>>106580135eu parliament voted against it, i dont give a shit about france
>>106586037>eu parliament voted against it, i dont give a shit about francesame guy, there was no voting, but its unlikely its gonna pass
>>106571802This is a stupid question, people smart enough to see this coming already bought them all up years ago.People smarter than you evidently.