Data centers nearly account for 10% of power grid demand already, how is this sustainable
With the most efficient, cleanest and safest energy source known to man
You can just build more power generation capacity.I know it sounds insane but you can actually do things.
>>106574867Why should we provide cheap energy to the assholes who spy on us and get rich off our data? They should be taxed until they're no longer profitable.
>>106574925>takes years >grid is old and hasn't been updated in decades
>>106574956>wegoogle is already building their own nuclear power plants, while amazon is rumored tohttps://apnews.com/article/climate-data-centers-amazon-google-nuclear-energy-e404d52241f965e056a7c53e88abc91axai have their own methane power planthttps://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/elon-musks-xai-buys-former-gas-power-plant-site-in-southaven-mississippi/
>>106574855Ai is important. We need to replace all coders and artists.
>>106574992Building a whole nuclear plant to power chat bots is literally insane.
>>106575026There was an obvious use for lights, what exactly do those data centers do for an average person?
>>106575045 You just used them right now to post this shit inbred nigger retard
>he doesn't what will happen after we reach 99%Keep reading the news, bucko. One word for you: singularity. Just 5 trillions more.
>>106575055Mostly AI slop though plus cloud computing wasn't as energy intensive until AI came in
>>106575045>what exactly do those data centers do for an average person?They spy on them and compile data to detect subversive behavior so more people can be sentenced to slave labor in prison. They also generate online ads. I don't know which is worse.
Worst of all it's not even AI lmao
>>106575045a lot of people lost their jobs because of light bulbs, one of those were people that went up to light traditional lights on steets and at dawn to turn them off
>>106575023not really. letting them overburden the grid is insane.
That's why you need to take constant brownouts and blackouts into consideration when planning for your future
>>106575242Building them in the first place is insane.
>>106575254That's why you need your own power generation and batteries for your home.
>>106575267That too. Generators and solar power stations will be worth their weight in gold
>>106574925Or, more likely, utilities are just going to refuse service. I think its already happened in Bongistan.
>>106575332>Or, more likely, utilities are just going to refuse serviceTo civilian homes? Grim.
>>106575370That's illegal in most places.
>>106574855In spite of all that, power engineers are still paid dogshit lmao>w-when all le expert boomers die the demand for new power engs is gonna b HYOOOOOOOGE!No we'll just do what south africa does with their broken power grid
>>106574855How will I be able to fast charge my Electric Vehicle if the datacenters are sucking up all the energy?I'm trans by the way, not sure if this matters.
It's not and all the costs and downsides will be subsidized by the tax payers. oy vey peak pricing will go up 1000% and last an additional 4 hours so that lord amazon can jew you even harder.
>>1065750554chan can and did run on a stack of mac minis in someone's basement, and they certainly didn't require dozens of GPUs to run, you delusional hype cultist. No-one is complaining about datacenters existing, the complaint is that they are being extended and more built to run processes which consume far more energy than the benefit they produce warrants. Almost all of the datacenter expansion in the last few years is to accommodate more and more slop in order to pump stock prices at the expense of basically everyone else.
>>106575447>will be subsidized by the tax payersMost subsidies are just tax breaks, or loans, which corporations have a far better record of paying back. The poor and elderly are the biggest burden to tax payers because they receive and use benefits that are a net cost to the system.
>>106575397The US already does it. rolling blackouts soon to power chatgpt, 2 more weeks
>>106574855>exponentiallystopped reading right there. Ever since the start of the current AI craze, everyone has abused the shit out of the word "exponentially"
>>106575734Would you say the use of the term increasedexponentially?
>>106574855increase the power grid
>>106575775kek good one
>>106575045steal your data and sell it, massive surveillance, AI slop and ads
>>106574867>30 year build time
>>106575734that does look like an exponential curve though. are you arguing its secretly sinusoidal
>>106574855Wait what, a modern world needs electricity?Mild shock
>>106574855this ai slop can't die down fast enough, it makes everyone retarded and less productive, it serves no purpose but waste TWh of energy and gpu hardware
>>106574965>grid is old and hasn't been updated in decadesPoliticians bullshitting instead of doing the needful is not an argument to that.
>>106575908China does that in 7 years. All the delays are entirely political.
>>106574925Noooo.NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!You have to let the bureaucratic state government grift millions off of you through several consecutive committees for 20 years and then not build a thing because think of the delta smelt.The smelt. Think of them. We have to not build a dam and dump fresh drinking water into the sea and generate no power. For the smelt.
>>106576002>Chinesium and Soviet tier QCOops, China Syndrome
>>106576013>We have to not build a dam and dump fresh drinking water into the sea and generate no power.wait, does california have suitable sites for hydro but still refuse to do it? i would have figured california would be all over hydro, it's clean, cheap, and just werks
>>106576022Yeah sorry, continue sleeping while China surpasses you.
>>106574855No need to worry saar, we are lower emissions in other areas.
>>106574867>With the most efficient, cleanest and safest energy source known to manYou, in an oven.
>>106575496Several things:Firstly, I believe that nowadays the whole of 4chan can entirely be run on a latest gen Intel NUC with the built in 2.5gbit NIC.Secondly, that drive for data centers and AI is just that the US somehow, however, needs to create more and more and more and ever more USD on a perpetual basis. That's "the curse" of being the world reserve currency in FRB.Do you people even realize that we all narrowly escaped global mRNA regimen subscription mandates + social credit scoring systems so the system can expand endlessly in a planned and controlled manner?That's the only reason they treat AI as a limitless money pit. Because they believe they have to.Alternative would've been you on the needle every three months or else.Oh and btw if AI is to "fail" they'll come at us with "mRNA+ premium."
>>106574855Because we have a nuclear power plant called THE SUN blasting us every day
>>106575979>PoliticiansCEOs of the power companies that maximize profits for shareholders refuse to upgrade infrastructure. The power companies have monopolies, but politicians are still meaningless according to the commerce clause. It's actually the sole reason the USA is still stuck on 120 volt.
>>106575614>The US already does it.[citation needed]
>>106576043Worse, they've been removing functional dams. California really is a suicide cult.
>>106576461If only we didn't have something called night to get in the way.
>>106574855We should ban corporations from leeching off the power grid. I'm so sick of this. They do not need this much power. We should stop progress if it means saving our planet from this out of control energy crisis. Getting AGI is not worth destroying Earth by 2300.
>>106574855I just love how the green grift was gone the moment this became a thing.
>>106578968>i don't know shit the postPeople like you need to shut the fuck up because you always make things worse. Your ilk is why California has the most retarded energy policies outside of Germany.
>>106579022Fuck off zoomie. Your retarded policies are literally pushing our planet to suicide.
>>106579029>waahYou are underage.
Just raise prices on residential electricity to reduce residential electricity demand. AI is the future so it should take precedence. You wouldn't want to be in the way of progress, would you?
Meta is building a datacenter 30 fucking miles from me and my power bill has gone up 4x and they aren't even at full capacity yet.
>>106579107we really gotta start beheading people
>>106576288Kek smartphones killed us
>>106579738Or financial crysis which actually is ekhm jews ekhm.
>>106579107My electricity had became expensive as well plus my water bill so Indians can do @grok
>>106574867The fact that people are so retarded when it comes to nuclear that you literally have to put in on an island.
>>106579692>>106580012This is Basic Economics 101. Supply and Demand. Start a Business producing Power for only Residential Addresses and see if you Succeed or Fail. The Free Market is Always Fair.
>>106575332>utilitiesDo you actually think Microsoft, Meta and Google use utility power. Lol, lmao even.
>>106579738You mean the recession that we never left?
>blacks out your city and spoils $1000 worth of your food so I can train another generation of slop generator that's the same as the lastnothing personal, kid
>>106575332>Bongistanfailed states don't count
>>106580037>This is Basic Economics 101.Yes, large companies externalizing their costs in a negative-sum Game is definitely the kind of thing that look where the lines cross retards like yourself learnt in high school.>Start a Business producing PowerThis is illegal. Only one rupee in your account for this argument.
>>106576013Kill yourself subhuman kike insect advertiser and data collecting farmer. I know your kind. kys
>it's not sustainable aboobooobooThis shit is the peak oil of the 80s
>>106574855build them in cold climates you fucking retards
>>106574855why the fuck do I care about some brownoids in loudon not having water or electricity?go catch rainwater and buy yourself some solar panels if they're oh so great you disgusting libshit
>>106581834Why are americans so phychopathic?
>>106580516The difference is it's a lot easier to get a permit to drill for oil than to spin up new power gen let alone new delivery infrastructure.
>>106574867americas white population is already under 50% for under age 30these arent sustainable because africans dont follow rules and regulations. there arent enough whites to keep these things going in another 30 years when the white population is like 25%
>>106580356How about Amazon's purchase agreement with the operator of Susquehanna being modified by the government?>>106580420>no you don't understand water and electricity shortages are ackshually good for you chudWho's the kike?
>>106580370shut up you limp wristed commie
>>106580037Behavioral analysis is baby level economics.The real man behind the curtain is cash flow. The question of from where doth the money flow from? Where doth it go to?
>>106574855>10% of the power>0% of the useful work>loud noises day and night>barbed wire fences and armed guards>lower home value>approved through bribery of local politicans>absolutely vital that we build as many as possible in your small town, but no one can seem to explain whyThose aren't datacenters, they're section 8 housing projects.
>>106584086>muh externalized costsit's worse, he's a keynesian.
>>106574855the bubble bust will be impressive>>106574867b-but muh thorium!!!>>106578932I've heard about these things called batteries. seems to be a new tech. heard it's being produced for cheap in china but the POTUS put huge, beautiful tariffs on them>>106579003people decided to vote against all of that because solar = bad for oil or something
>>106584615Your small mind cannot appreciate how fucking expensive battery storage is, even disregarding tariffs.
>>106584496lmao
>>106574867Sorry women protested it for decadesThe future is therefore delayed>>106575262There is no stopping or going back
>>106576022Their bridges and massive rail system are all faaaake!!!Delusional or paid, call it
>>106585003I bought 5kWh battery for $1000 a while ago, and prices are still fallingthere are many ways of storing energy. sure, they are expensive, but as long as solar panels exist, you can get a shitload of cheap energy.even more, chink battery companies (the big and leading ones) are now selling sodium batteries that are even cheaper and safer than lithium batteries.tech companies should be forced to produce their own energy, at least partially.
>>106585230That's half-decent emergency power outage/time of use leveraging for a single family home but on the scale of datacenter/grid it might as well be zero. You can't use chemical batteries to defeat the duck curve, there is not enough Cobalt in the entire earth's crust for that.
