What's the best distro that's:>stable>usable>has no shitty software/dependencies manager (very important)>has no shitty DE>inb4 w11kys nigger>inb4 mintI'm already using it:>'install' a sw>sw needs a specific version of a library>install that lib>somehow other sw brakes>remove old dependencies>half of system ui breaks>cinnamon default theme breaks the entire DE>firefox windows then doesn't resize correctlyMaybe Debian, Cachy, OpenSUSE? I just need something stable, maybe with wayland? I do not know really if the DE and the Compositor really matters here
>>106591636>weak deciveOP is dyslexic
I was done with dependency hell and the system breaking bullshit. Nowadays I only use appimage, flatpak, homebrew, wine and distrobox to install and run software. Nothing that actually affects the base system. This is the only way if you want a stable system but still need to run a wide variety of software.The distribution is less relevant. I choose an atomic one but you could easily just use vanilla Fedora or Debian, as long as you're careful with system packages.
>>106591709>as long as you're careful with system packagesI'm not that careful, i mean, i'm no power user sadly
>>106591718Then use something atomic like fedora silverblue or bazzite even. And don't touch rpm-ostree unless you have exhausted any other option for installing that software.
>>106591736Are these distro for normies? For "atomic" you mean that nothing change the base system right?
>>106591636arch for desktopnixos for servereverything else is irrelevant
>>106591746Yes and yes. You will have a hard time breaking it. Use the options listed earlier and you will still be able to run pretty much everything without affecting the base system. If you're a beginner I'd recommend bazzite and read their documentation website. Should explain everything.
>>106591792I'm honest with you, i'm kinda scared about the silverblue
>>106591636actual list here, specifically for desktop use. guix can go in respectable too
>>106591864I'm scared of arch, too much freedom given to normies
>>106591636>>'install' a sw>>sw needs a specific version of a library>>install that lib>>somehow other sw brakes>>remove old dependencies>>half of system ui breaks>>cinnamon default theme breaks the entire DE>>firefox windows then doesn't resize correctlyThat's just linux
>>106591864>debian on desktoppain
>>106592100debian sid is for desktop
>>106591636Fedora + enable RPMFusion.CachyOS + install pamacPick either.
>>106591636Fedora, you dumb fucker. If it's good enough for Linus Torvalds, it's good enough for you. And I mean the default Fedora Workstation with GNOME, not some shitty KDE spin.
>>106592156no xfce?
>>106591636Choosing a distro really just boils down to choosing the package manager and repositories. Everything else like the DE, WM, etc... is easily changeable. Even changing your package manager is probably doable but I never tried it, and you can definitely add/remove repositories because I did with apt.People who do these distro charts are fucking idiots who don't know how GNU/linux works.
>>106592071No, that's just OP not knowing what Flatpak is.>>106592161Yes, Xfce. Or whatever DE you want.
>>106592292>Flatpak>get Floorp browser flatpak ver>can't select file from other disks>hw acceleration broken>the compositor breaks down windows by resizing them to such an extent that not even the basic window controls are visible And you have the audacity to suggest flatpak?
>>106592100Why?
>>106592322Back when I used the Ungoogled Chromium flatpak, it worked just fine for me. Selecting file from other disks sounds like something that can be solved by disabling sandboxing. I'm suggesting an actual solution to the library dependency problem, because distrohopping won't solve it, unless you're specifically going for one of those immutable distros, which - guess what - use Flatpak as their main package manager.
>>106591636Clear, Arco dead
Windows.Have money?Macos.Autistic?Linux.Bonus Pajeet-tier:Custom Windows ISO SidharthaOS Lite 2gb only sir
>>106591864I too watch nigger outlaw
>>106591636Void rightfully belongs in S.
>>106591864Very good list.
>>106592156>>106592161GNOME is retarded and doesn't even let you minimise windows. If I wanted an iPad, I'd buy an iPad.
>>106592612it lets you, it is you who is retarded
>>106591636>inb4 mint>I'm already using it:tinkertroon detectedyou will never be satisfiedget a job
>>106591636Arch + gnome-shell cured my distrohopping
try slackware.you have no dependency resolution with slackpkg but you can just pipe output from `ldd /usr/bin/yourbinary`, format it, send it to `slackpkg file-search` and you have got yourself a primitive way of doing dependency resolution. with slackbuilds you can generate queue files and use those to compile in order with dependencies.slackware lets you do what you want as long as you configure it properly.say you don't want to use kde at all, slackware includes it by default so if you decide to not install it, you have to blacklist or greylist it so it doesn't get installed when doing updates.its really smooth when you have set it up properly. it doesn't push anything you don't want or is superfluous.you will learn to "live off the land" so to say. you will have to use the core tools a more often and ultimately it will teach you to be comfortable in most situations. in choosing between stable or current, you can go straight for current with alienbob's slackware current iso.its stable enough.
>>106593934for example enabling or disabling a service in rc.d/rc.whateverservice, you basically toggle the execute permission.its that simple.
>>106591636For desktop I use openSUSE Tumbleweed. It has new packages and KDE is well supported. For home server/media center PC I use Debian Stable Gnome. I'm not saying this is the only combo that works, they pretty much all work just fine. This is just what I use and I have no reason to change anything.
>>106594025Is it ok?
>>106591636Why is nix the devil? It's great.
>>106591636nixos
>>106594025I tried tumbleweed but when I close the lid of my laptop and then open it again (even after 2 hours), it flashes what is open on my screen before going to the login screenI'm back on Debian now but considering trying freeBSD
>>106595526It's okay until codecs break
>>106595591if you're used to linux, freebsd is a nice change. note that you have (by default) ZFS on the file system. freebsd is well made but its much more bare by default. even the firewall is off by default.ports compile successfully pretty much always, i never had a compilation error the short time i used it.make sure to follow the handbook from beginning to the end as it explains most of what you'd need to do.
>>106591636Linux From Scratch
I am loving Fedora KDE. First Linux I've tried, haven't felt any need to distro hop.
>>106591636 Sounds like you're autistic, anon. Gentoo would be the perfect fit for you.>stableOn Gentoo you can make your packages both stable or bleeding edge. It's your choice.>usableOnce you get Gentoo setup, you can easily use it. Just do weekly updates and read the news. USE flags are very easy to configure.>No shitty software/dependencies managerPortage is very unique. Lets you pretty much do what you want. You can also have multiple types of the same packages. >No shitty DECan use whatever DE you want. I'd recommend DWM but you can go for something with wayland or hyprland if you want.
>>106591636there is only one distro that matters - fedora.the rest is a meme to isolate different flavor of retards in containment distro.
>>106591769Nix for everything. Arch for posers.
I was shocked to learn that when I wanted my PC to support a modern screen (120Hz VRR HDR) then Fedora KDE was literally the only choice.
>>106591636Unironically use windows.You don't know what you're doing and you don't want to learn.Been using gentoo for 10 years just fine. Shit's rock solid and it only breaks when I don't understand what I did. And even then "breaks" is just a matter of learning what I did wrong and fixing it. I don't have to hope that microsoft release a service pack or something.
>>106591636>>inb4 w11i know you dont want to hear it anon, and i dont like it either, but that really is the answer.
>>106596304I seriously don't understand how people brick their systems so often. I use Gentoo too. Nothing breaks. Linux toddlers can't maintain a system.
>>106591636gento and fedora make about 95% of all other distros useless
>>106591636go with mxit's debian, but for normoids, it's everything you wanted mint to be
>>106591636Ubuntu 22.04 (.5? or whatever the latest one is)>apt is nice>gnome does the job>system is just simple and widely adopted>22.04 has a ton of community QnAs on stack exchange>using wine to play World of Tanks even works
>>106591769Why go through the effort of learning a distro with declarative, composable configuration and not use it on your desktop too?>>106596294Based.
>>106591636>has no shitty software/dependencies managerSlackware.LFS also fits this criteria, but you're not up to the needed skill level and patience.
alpine won/thread
>>106591864fair. what stops Guix from being Gigachad?
>>106591636Good list
>>106597542You can't install any non-free software on it, and yes that includes the proprietary non-free firmware for some devices like wifi cards and graphics cards. This makes Guix a pain in the ass to run on most hardware. Unless you absolutely know for sure that your device has no non-free firmware blobs then Guix is not for you, and by that I mean it probably won't even run on your machine.
>>106597743sure, but for where it's applicable doesn't that make it Gigachad? ignoring that the nonguix channel exists for those that are okay with non-free.
>>106595526I'm the anon you asked from and yes it's ok. Codecs aren't breaking for me. It has the snapshot system so that if updates break something you can roll back to the previous system. Also they have some automated robot check that filters most of the bugs out instead of pushing them to users. Even if it's a rolling release OS it's pretty solid.>>106595591Debian is nice too, especially since you don't have to babysit it. Anyone who can break Debian is definitely not just using it on everyday tasks, he's doing something weird with it.
>>106596304How much time goes to maintain a Gentoo install? How often do you need to updoot and keep up with the upstream? Are Nvidia drivers a bitch on it? I was thinking of doing a minimal install and use Distrobox + Flatkek/AppImages for most stuff.
>>106597887>How much time goes to maintain a Gentoo install?Check your mail, it updates. Update your packages once a week/two weeks/month (generally). If you have some more bleeding-edge stuff you can update it daily. It's as much maintenance as you want a it to be. >Are Nvidia drivers a bitch on it?Same as any other distro. Mine work. >I was thinking of doing a minimal install and use Distrobox + Flatkek/AppImages for most stuff.Yeah they work on Gentoo. Gentoo has binary packages too, or you can just compile everything yourself with portage. I'd recommend that over fl*tpacks
>>106596304go f urself
>>106597784NTA but for me it sounds like Gentoo but with extra hassle, I think the most attractive thing about it is the package manager itself. However the Guix package manager can supposedly run on any distro alongside your existing package manager without breaking things. I have tried it and realize why people don't use source based distros like Gentoo or Guix, it's because the compilation time takes A REALLY LONG FUCKING TIME, like holy shit now I truly understand those memes about Gentoo users spending 99% of their time compiling their OS instead of actually using it.
>>106594025>de on a server
>>106598551If you're on shit hardware you can cross compile for gentoo. You can also edit your makeopts. I have an 8 core, 16 thread CPU with 32gb of ram, so my MAKEOPTS is set to j8. I could go higher to j16, but not much need. You can also set makeopts per-package, so if you're installing firefox you can just throw your entire machine at it.
>>106598551not wrong about the package manager being the main draw. however, i think Guix as a distro is genuinely well-designed, with benefit of being built with hindsight of NixOS' problems. while it is source-based by default, binaries ("substitutes") are also available and typically enabled by users. updates can be relatively slow, but for me the bottleneck is usually the package hosts (not to say the Lisp+Nix store evaluation is particularly fast, tho).
>>106591636best distro is windows 10 :)
Arch on desktop and Debian or even Ubuntu for server. Everything else is a meme.
>>106592156Fedora KDE is not a spin anymore
>>106598551If you splurge on a threadripper, or even a non-threadripper 16 core cpu the coompiling becomes a lot quicker.
>>106591636cachyOS+hyperlandsuper comfy
>>106591636Do yourself a favor and just install Ubuntu LTS release (24.04). Best driver/software support in the linux ecosystem. If you never heard of snap package management, you'd never know it was there and you wouldn't give a shit. It is as close to 'Just Werks' is you are going to get.
>>106591864good list, OP is a 12 yo
>>106599688only sane answer in this thread
>>106594025>openSUSE Tumbleweed.Basado, the final distro, imo.
>>106591864>slackware>respectableopinion invalidated
>>106591864based, ubuntu should be lower THO
In 2025 your choices are:>Debian 13>Arch Linux>GentooEverything else is a meme
>>106591736I'm tempted to try one of these but it just feels like it's a half-assed Nix. If I'm going to make the change, I think I might as well go all the way.
