https://jriddell.org/2025/09/14/adios-chicos-25-years-of-kde/>And what of my colleagues? Surely they wouldn’t want a setup where they have no control over their professional life and all their profit goes to one person? Well dunno, they’ve stopped speaking to me. Nothing. Silence. Nil. Not so much as a “cheereo”, nor “sorry we chose the option were you got excluded” and certainly no explanation. From people who I have worked with for some twenty years in some cases that hurts. I don’t know why they stopped talking to me, I can only speculate and I don’t want to do that.>Nobody should be doing business with or taking money from Tech Paladin else be party to illegal workers rights abuses.>But in the end I lost my friends, my colleagues, my job, my career and my family. What’s a spod who just tried to do the right thing for society to do? Dunno. For now, if you want me, you can find me surfing the endless wave whenever the sun sets over my digital nomad coliving paddleshack at the end of the world.
>>106599368that VALVE money won't last forever
>>106599368JUST*krashes*
>>106599368>kick out Kubuntu and Neon dev>release KDE Linux to completely replace him
>>106599368so who did they let go Nate or the other guy? pretty sure Nate is still with KDE
>>106599467i wonder how you survive your every day life when you are incapable of reading and forming cohesive thoughts
>>106599368So a disgruntled former contributor weaves an emotional narrative, exaggerating claims of abusive exclusion in the name of profiteering, but has no evidence beyond personal grievance.Not interested; not impressed.
>>106599551i wonder how you manage to have any friends being such an insufferable prick. onus is on the reader if you can't figure out that's on you. reads fine to me. it's a cause for confusion when you post the wrong pic of the person they let go.
>>106599467>philanthropist who funds KDE is dying, out of the picture>the project will continue to be funded by Valve for their OS, basically a company that with valve as a customer>head KDE guy is in charge of restructuring the project>some guy suggests it be run as an coop so everyone owns the success equally w/ profits equally distributed>instead, head dude plans to take a majority of profits and control all the money>cuck is left with no platform to vent so blogposts
>>106599647Why are you a piece of shit?>>106599576The evidence is his own post. If it was a fair deal he wouldn't have chosen unemployment instead, don't you think?
>>106599678>Why are you a piece of shit?I just gave you the facts what is the problem?
You cant take a leftist seriously. Anything but pay for nothing is some kind of workers rights abuse.
snca
>>106599678You seem pretty emotional, Anon. Maybe that's why you were moved by Riddell's emotional argument. Have you considered the possibility that the guy who claims to have lost his "family, colleagues, career, and family" might be to blame for his own circumstances? That maybe there's a reason his old friends don't want to talk to him anymore?
>>106599645NTA but you are retarded. Nate is the person who kicked this guy out and is the face of KDE.
>>106599576>>106599551>>106599647Why are you so offended by a blog post? This developer lost a significant role and posted about it on his own personal blog. You should quit whatever you're doing and volunteer for the gestapo because you don't tolerate any wrong think.>>106599748You don't think kicking this developer off the team was an emotional response?
>>106600033meds
>>106599368I want the other side of the story.I like KDE but I also hate Jews. Structuring profit around a single person does seem like a pretty shitty organizational structure for an open-source team.
>>106600183here's the other (HR written) side:David https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1nhgbby/comment/nebtylz/>It was inevitable that at some point Blue Systems would shut down, as someone who worked there for 10 years, I never expected it to "last another year" for any of them. We had a good run.>It is true that we managed to form a new company to keep those working on the profitable parts of Blue Systems able to still work on them. Unfortunately when forming this we chose not to extend this to all areas that Blue Systems previously funded and keep everyone previously in Blue Systems. There's no single reason behind this, but a combination factors.>I do want to address the part that there's "illegal worker abuse" at TechPaladin, as that's obviously nonsense. I don't feel I should have to justify this on Reddit; but we have a mixture of setups from self-employed to employed to having intermediate companies that all are valid for everyone involved.Nate https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1nhgbby/comment/ned0qxf/>TLDR: you made it up, there's no war in basingsay
>>106599647>>some guy suggests it be run as an coop so everyone owns the success equally w/ profits equally distributed>>instead, head dude plans to take a majority of profits and control all the moneyThis is what he said on his blog>So the way we’ve structured the company is as a multi-member LLC with economically proportional ownership/voting shares, an initial two members (me and David), and an internal process for those who want to buy membership to apply to do so. In this way, it can — and I hope will — become more “co-op like” over time, but without forcing anyone who doesn’t want to risk their personal funds to to so (not everyone wants to; business ownership isn’t for everyone). And in practice, we’ve been very internally transparent so far about finances, and we involve everyone in decision-making anyway.
>>106600384nate just decided to pocket the money.A co-op is the best way to create a company around foss because it's a collective effort. Nate doesn't maintain the entirety of KDE, he only maintains a tiny portion of it, it's unfair to everyone doing the work. VALVE is paying them for the entirety of KDE.
>>106600503>There’s actually no such legal structure as a “co-op” in the USA (outside of limited state-specific exceptions); rather, you generally make one of the existing entity types into a co-op by virtue of choosing its ownership structure carefully. There are two practical options for entities that do or will have non-USA owners:>1. A corporation with workers having shares.>2. A partnership or multi-member LLC (which is taxed as a partnership) with workers having equity/membership. In practice you would always choose a multi-member LLC due to greater liability protections.https://pointieststick.com/2025/03/10/personal-and-professional-updates-announcing-techpaladin-software/#comment-40233
>nothingburgerHit me up when KDE irreversibly fucks itself and burns down so I never have to see it, or discussion about it, ever again.
>>106600508>be le german DE>move to the US for tax reasonswow
>>106599368>>106600508>We never had workers rights at Blue Systems, we were all on self employment contracts. This will continue at Tech Paladin. It is illegal but unenforceable when done on an international setup. But employment rights are not a luxury you can chose to do without if you enjoy your job and want some more flexibility in your work day.why are FOSS devs such retards? KEEP CONTROL OF YOUR SHIT, RETARDS. JFC...>>106599467anon... have you tried reading? like, the URL says jriddell, and the top of the blog clearly shows "JONATHAN RIDDELL'S DIARY">>106600514no one is forcing you to even read about KDE, dumbass
>>106599748I'm just telling you my interpretation based on my life experience (18+11).>Have you considered the possibility that the guy who claims to have lost his "family, colleagues, career, and family" might be to blame for his own circumstances? That maybe there's a reason his old friends don't want to talk to him anymore?It's happening because most people would rather take an unfair share, not rock the boat, and tell themselves if it's too shitty they will search for a better job later. Most people don't make their decisions based on principles, they make them based on convenience, which is why everything is shit.They aren't talking to him because they don't want to be kicked out and have rely on savings which they may or may not have while they look for another job (you already read what he said - they have no social security to rely on in the meantime). This is very common in situations where everybody in a group is a meek faggot except for the one narcissistic guy who's telling everyone else to not talk with the ones who did speak up and were kicked out for it.Which is why the other anon calling him a cuck is stupid. If anything he is the only one who's not a cuck in the team besides the guy who is trying to take advantage of everyone else.
>>106600508>No bro you don't understand the USA doesn't allow a company to be owned by multiple people!!!!!!1Holy cope. He proposed a fair legal structure where every team member owned shares in the company and Nate outright excluded him from the next meeting.
>>106600349Just because something something is legal doesn't mean it's ethical. What they had may or may not have been illegal but whatever the case it doesn't invalidate the rest of his argument.
>>106599368Why do you even care, they went from "we dont care about politics everyone is welcome" to "you are nazi if you are conservative" some time ago, they are on the same side as RH and Gnome. Here picture where they are even shilling Gnome. Funny how that works.
>>106600774>LGBTQIA>what the fuck QIA even stand forI have no choice but to use KDE for now. valve money made kde a pretty good desktop env
>>106600813queer/inteligencia artificial
>>106600000
>>106599368>and my familyThey took his family too? qrd?
>>106600727>Most people don't make their decisions based on principles, they make them based on convenience, which is why everything is shit.So true
>>106600508KDE is a German/European effort GNOME is the US one why do they have to move their corporation to the US if its non profit anyway?
>>106601386KDE e.V. is still German
>>106599368Is it because of the Charlie Kirk situation?
reminder to never write code for free unless you don't care much about it
>>106601780i dont think so
>>106600727Literally seen this behaviour few months ago. Employer fired the whole staff after bankrupting the company, no one wanted to ask for compensation (which they are eligible to, by law) because he may take them to work in his new company.He took bunch of new people and no one from the old ones.
Come home white men
>>106602649You will never be Jordan, Iordanis.
>>106602649Posted the wrong image, sorry
>>106599368KDE sucks bro. No one was your friend, they always hated you because you are insufferable.
That's a shame. He's a good bloke. Abbrasive, but usually right to be. When Canonical hijacked Kubuntu donations, ignored questions, and withheld accounts, he was one of the few to call them out on it, and was deposed for his troubles. It sounds like he expected the successor to Blue Systems to work in terms closer to Igalia and KDE e.V (particularly given Nate sits on the board of KDE e.V). But instead ended up cut out of discussions because not talking to him was easier than convincing him otherwise. I'd probably get rubbed the wrong way too if a colleague of mine was given advanced notice of our employer winding down the company, and he made an early move to pick up the staff and contracts, but with him holding the purse strings. Like, "what the fuck I've been doing this for nearly twice as long as you, we have the same job title, but now you're going to be my boss because you privately heard about it first and manage the KDE newseltter?". Makes me feel old to think Unity was 15 years ago. Even older when I think about the shit you had to do to get fglrx and ndiswrapper working.
I'm a bit slow and I don't really know what happens on the backstage, what does all of this means?also how are people being forced to ignore him when this blog post got relayed on the planet kde rss feed? do they officially take money from valve or this just speculation?all I know is that neon sucks and they provided a reason to why it was being replaced on their website, although I think they stated that it wasn't going away from the time being
communists sure turn capitalist real quick when there's actual money to be had
>>106603992for years, KDE's main sponsor was bluesystems. A useless company with no products run by a millionaire. It had the same relationship as Redhat has with GNOME, it employed some KDE devs but unlike redhat, they didnt have any serious clients really, it was a waste of money.Bluesystems is on its way out so all the KDE devs that worked there made a new company, Tech Paladin and took over the VALVE contract. The guy that wrote the blog, expected a similar culture of "everyone is equal, gets paid the same, and has the same goals" (and that was the idea behind tech paladin in the beginning) but Nate (KDE lead) changed plans and wanted a more corporate structure. Boss -> CTO -> Wagies, where everyone will still do the same amount of work but Nate and David will get paid the big bucks.Blog author made suggestions on it and Nate cut him out. Now the blog author doesn't have a job, his coworkers that are part of Tech Paladin, don't talk to him anymore (Nate probably told them to stop) and blog author doesn't feel part of the KDE community anymore and decides to leave after spending 2.5 decades working on it, specifically Kubuntu and KDE Neon. Which also explains why KDE Linux was pushed so much, another step into getting him out of the picture.(Also tech paladin is based in the US, despite KDE and devs being in Germany, for tax and worker exploitation reasons)
>>106599368>Nate is a snakewaow who could've seen that one coming.
>>106599368>But in the end I lost my friends, my colleagues, my job, my career and my family. Whenever you hear overdramatic shit like this, you're probably dealing with your typical Daniel Micay-type paranoid schizo who thinks everyone is out to get them, when in reality, they're just autistic and hard to work with. There's tons of these types in FOSS, the bcachefs dev comes to mind. Nate Graham has been the public face of KDE for years and I've never seen anybody have anything bad to say about him.
>>106599368Here's Nate's response.
>>106604453Dude has experience with corpo-speak even in FOSS, the fucking rat.
>>106604390nobody can say anything bad about you if you are going to turn the entirety of KDE against them
KDE is a piece of shit they should fire everyone involved.
>>106605132Sure, but KDE Linux could have been "the next generation of KDE Neon" instead of "throw away the neon branding and start from scratch". Nate wanted Neon GONE.
>>106599748>every time something bad happens to someone it's that person's faultWhat mental illness leads to this mindset?
>>106604390>current fortunes of KDEwhat did he mean by this
>>106605248>Sure, but KDE Linux could have been "the next generation of KDE Neon" instead of "throw away the neon branding and start from scratch"I don't think there's anything wrong with this. The name "KDE Linux" better conveys that it's *the* KDE showcase distro, mirroring the very similar "GNOME OS" project. Also, under the hood, the two distros are going to be almost entirely different.
>>106599962posting a title about someone getting fired and posting an image of someone who wasnt the person who got fired seems retarded to me
>>106599368if anyone keeps using KDE after this they're massive cucks loleven valve should drop the idea of using a desktop environment and just rawdog sway with their game lawnchair
