>beta from 25th septGNOME devs in absolute shambles (more so than usual) over the fact we can customise our DE beyond 'light' and 'dark' again.COSMIC is going to absolutely btfo the linux desktop environment scene.
>>106613152I'm looking forward to ditching the absolute clusterfuck that is KDE. But I'll keep waiting for now
The COSMIC + KDE Friendship Organisation welcomes this. FUCK EBUSSY!
>>106613152So its like a whole different thing than Qt and GTK right?Which means, gnome beauty with all the perks of KDE?
>>106613210Its based mostly on Gnome code and it runs using GTK
No more brother wars
>>106613235Why are you lying on the internet? COSMIC does not use GTK and it does not use GNOME's wayland compositor.
>>106613235lol no, you're thinking of the previous pop OS DE.Cosmic is a full rewrite.
Behold, the power of safe Rus...*krashes*
>>106613406>kAnon, it's not KDE. The Krash meme is a KDE thing.
>>106613152>linux desktop environment scene.what percentage of that """scene""" (lol) is trannies?
>>106613463Just enough for them to live inside your head rent free.
>>106613463That '''scene'''' is what you use every single day, and which powers 90% of all your tasks. Don't be so ungrateful.
>>106613421India-kun just hates anything that isn't GTK. It's part of why he shills LXDE.
>>106613152I can't believe Gnome is dying in 8 days.
>>106613235
>>1066131524 years in the makingstill full of bugs and memory leaksill stick to xfce desu
>>106613152>everything is statically linked and has 50000 rust dependenciesno thanks
>>106614539>just use every single programming language and keep layering shit on top of each other
>>106614545not even a gnome user but unironically that's based. Locking developers to a single language is the most retarded shit evernow tell me why statically linking dependencies made by mentally ill neets is good and having 15mb binaries full of CVE is not a problem
>>106613185Although I share the sentiment that KDE is a clusterfuck, I don't think COSMIC is going to be a very good replacement. It's much more of an offramp for footfags than it is for Konqi fuckers. COSMIC is, after all, just a reimplementation of GNOME w/ System76's custom extensions.
>>106614587>It's much more of an offramp for footfags than it is for Konqi fuckersis it though? footfags that dont like gnome's restrictions have already left gnome and konqifags that dont like kde's krashes have moved to hyprlandwho's this for? (other than rust cultists)
>>106614582>muh CVEsRetard. Let me guess: globally shared dependencies... le good!
>>106614612enjoy your 500th copy of tokio because rust is so barebones you need to depend on third party dependencies to breathe
>>106614664Oh no! Anyway.
>>106614678hi mmstick, big fan!Can you re-open my issue about allowing us to set the default to SSD instead of CSD? kinda annoying desu
>>106614701Not everyone is mmmmmstick, Ebussy.
>>106613152>GNOME devs in absolute shambles (more so than usual) over the fact we can customise our DE beyond 'light' and 'dark' again.GNOME can do that already.
>>106613152I don't want smartphone UI on my gaming PC
>>106613152Cool story bro
>>106614601Well, my point is that COSMIC is going to be far more GNOME-like than it is KDE-like. If you like the more full-featured, Windows-like nature of KDE, I don't see why you'd be particularly drawn to the GNOME-like nature of COSMIC.
>>106615062>A Gnome extension can hack Gnome apps into doing something Gnome devs don't want you to doFTFY
>>106615140>If you like the more full-featured, Windows-like nature ofCOSMIC is also like that though?
>>106615144it just werks.
>>106615062What program is this anon? I can't find it after searching for a bit.
>>106615172It's a hack and Gnome devs hate it.
>>106613535Kek'd
>>106615157>COSMIC is also like that though?What in the world makes you think that? It's got a completely different UI paradigm/workflow than Windows, and it generally seems to track the more simplified interface/feature set of GNOME. Again, it's literally a reimplementation of their old "GNOME with extensions" DE.
>>106615236is not a hack, GNOME is very themable with CSS
Have you guys even read about Cosmic? It's based on Iced, a whole new Rust-based GUI toolkit.Iced interfaces DIRECTLY with your GPU. The GUI paradigm is inspired by Elm architecture. Imagine your UI is directly handled by you GPU! Which other toolkit is like that? LOLectron? I think it would mog other toolkits, it's not even close. I'm not a woke NPC either. But the technical merit is there.
>>106615367Don't theme our apps please...of course we were talking about distro packagers not end users wink wink
>>106615381obviously you missed the point of that article.
>>106615418yeah I missed it, but in practice, look at what we got...libadwaita or go home
>>106615367Cool, never knew that. Where can I find all the css files?
>>106615464I'm fine with that, and as you can see, I still can use themes.
>>106615482/usr/local/share/themes/usr/share/themes~/.themes
>>106613152When it comes to apps you either use GTK apps, QT apps or both, so how will this DE integrate with those apps? There will be no cohesion.
>>106615488in your home folder~/.themes/CustomShellTheme/gnome-shell/gnome-shell.css
>>106613152>COSMIC beta announcedSo fucking happy. Let's go. Did they fix the issue where you can't alt-tab out of games? I had to scroll down to a new workspace to get out of the game.LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
>>106613152I'll take it as a given that it'll be better than Gnome, but why should I switch from Cinnamon?
>>106615539>Why is Bob Marley sacrifice the Gnome in a voodoo ritual?>Because he's a sinner, mon (user).
>>106615372>Iced interfaces DIRECTLY with your GPU.Sounds like a recipe for a total clusterfuck.
>>106613152They haven't updated their blogs or announced the beta though!?!
>>106615381>i just read the title of a post and build my opinion based on ithow high are chances you are a magatard?The post specifically said "users should be able to theme whatever they want and will be able to do so. This blog post is specifically meant for distros that ship custom themes"
>>106613152finally a replacement for xfce
>>106613152Still got no hold on a RAT
>>106615062the fuck is this?
>>106615922is called Rewaita, it themes GNOME.
>>106615321>It's got a completely different UI paradigm/workflow than WindowsNot really. You can easily change it to have 1 bar with a single click in the greeter app or customize the panels however you like through the settings.>track the more simplified interface/feature set of GNOMEHave you ever even seen a video about COSMIC? It has a lot of customization options. Far more than GNOME and Windows.
>>106616036Rewaita>flathublol
>>106615367>what is libadwaita>>106615488Through 3rd party apps that change the color scheme through unsupported hacks.
>>106616070>>flathget used to flathub, with the trend of inmutable distros it will be everywehere, even KDE Linux will enforce it.
>>106616093I could manually tweak the gnome-shell css and it would be the same. Rewaita just makes it easier.
>>106616113>literally embedded inside a resource file>meant for themingPick one.
>>106616137~/.themes/CustomShellTheme/gnome-shell/gnome-shell.css
>>106616151>Adwaita is a complex theme, so to keep it maintainable it's written and processed in SASS. The generated CSS is then transformed into a gresource file during gtk build and used at runtime in a non-legible or editable form.>NON-LEGIBLE OR EDITABLE FORM
>>106616168that's the reason is really fast to apply themes, it gets compiled, nice.
>>106616093>>what is libadwaitalibadwaita literally never blocked theming, you guys made up a rumor and then got scared by ityou could always set GTK_THEME, you could always write a gtk.css and libadwaita would respect both
>>106616183So compiling it yourself and replacing the gresource is a HACK and ebussy will find and rape you if you do it.
>>106615539>uses cinnamon>thinks he has an opinion on DEluddite stay in your unmaintained clemware for another 100 years
>>106616187ebussy is based.
>>106613152I'd probably try it if they make anything close to as good as dolphin, preferably faster. GNOME's file manager is worthless.
>>106615372>Imagine your UI is directly handled by you GPU! Which other toolkit is like that?GTK 4 uses vulkan for rendering
>>106615144>into doing something Gnome devs don't want you to doretard if they really didnt want you to they would have removed theming support ages agoeven their plan on removing it on GTK 5 only includes GTK_THEME, not gtk.css
>>106616207the cosmic file manager is dogshit, if you open a folder with 100 files ur cpu, gpu and ram will easily hit 100%
>>106616049>Not really. You can easily change it to have 1 bar with a single click in the greeter app or customize the panels however you like through the settings.Okay, but this is true of practically every DE. You can turn KDE into a MacOS clone or Mate into a Unity clone (and a ton of other 1-click clone layouts, too), but most people wouldn't say they're MacOS-like or Unity-like. When we're talking about OOTB configuration (i.e. the way the devs intend most people to use it) and intended workflow, COSMIC is almost entirely different.>Have you ever even seen a video about COSMIC? It has a lot of customization options. Far more than GNOME and Windows.I'm not just talking about customization options, I'm talking about the general layout and functionality of the applications. Their file manager, for example, looks a lot more akin to Nautilus or Finder than it does File Explorer.
>>106616229Removing it from GTK would get the other projects to bitch on them, plus they would have to implement a new way to define the color scheme in libadwaita and that would be a pain.>>106616239>cosmicHaving one or two bars doesn't make the workflow significantly different, and as I said, they give you the option to automatically change it to a "Windows-like" layout in the first time greeter.>applicationsThey might not have as many features as a decades old project, but they still align closer to Windows/KDE than Gnome. Just look how they all have menu items (even if merged with the title bar like MS did on VSCode). Also, look at their text editor and how complex they are making it.They only look alike in the sense their colors look flatter than what you'd see on Win11 / Qt.
>>106615062Are all of those trans flags?
>>106613185KDE is effectively under valve's control now. I imagine it'll get better. Nice to see gnome (under ebassi) get rightfully btfo
>>106616358KDE is officially the jeet DE.
Will the cosmic beta support HDR? I’ve been seeing conflicting info.
>>106616235No it doesn't. You must have a very old version of it. I'm scrolling through a folder with several hundred camera photos right now.>>106616410It's officially stated that this will be implemented after the first release.
The number of issues open under the beta milestone has just gone below 20. We're so close, bros...
Does anyone know if Cosmic will have its own ecosystem of apps?I had tried the fedora spin of cosmic (that has almost 3 times the download number compared to kde) and when i saw there were Qt applications in the middle, I quickly ran `rm -rf /` on my computer.
>>106616627They made their own widget lib on top of Iced and some people are using it, so it should gain more traction once it releases for real.
>>106616203>last stable release 2 days agoNo reason to change what works, tranny.
>>106616381>KDE is officially the jeet DE.everything in the freetard world is jeetware, DEs, distress, packages.
>>106614545lil bro, why are you having a melty over language bindings?
>>106614587>footfags>Konqi fuckers>Rustrannies>Terminal autists>Furry pedos>40 year old virgins>Serial killers>Arch usersI am so ashamed that I am also a linux user... Jesus Christ
>>106617338What are you trying to say here? Windows userbase doesn't have any of those?
>>106617338Yeah, I feel you, the people who want to fuck Konqi are really disgusting. Kiki, on the other hand...
>>106617374They are the worst of all. Normies.
>>106615515it's its own thing. Just like how GTK is a C toolkit and Qt is a C++, Cosmic is a Iced/Rust flagship
>>106615825>magatardI respect them and I'm def not a woke lefty.Anyhow, you didn't say, we have libadwaita and ...what now?
>>106616216>GTK 4 uses vulkan for renderingGTK4 uses vulkan or OpenGL? For all widgets or just one low-level scene?
>>106613210It uses its own library, and surprisingly translates the user customizations to GTK and Qt pretty seamlessly. Probably gonna be the easiest way to customize GTK theming once it actually releases.
>>106618077Does it also customize Qt apps now? Back when alpha 7 came out it could only customize GTK apps.
>>106613152just use xfce
>>106615062>>106616036Oh damn I've been waiting for something like this since Gradience died, neat.
>>106616036Use case?
>>106618234I think I just completely mistook it for something else, yeah it's just GTK afaik.
>>106618503Putting trans flags on his school computers.
>>106613152
>>106619329Super + left click and drag
>>106613152They should need to rewrite everything in HolyC instead of pieces of shit rust
>>106613152Does it have i3/sway style workspaces? I hate gnome (amd kde) workspaces they are just like a trashcan for windows. Would love to have i3 workspace that can be mapped to displays. Scratchpad would be nice too.
>>106619329>he can't hide his task barngmi kid
>>106617428>she looks like she's rather warm-bloodedWould. I'm not a lizzerdfukker.
>>106619329what are you doing step-windows ?
>>106617338Should probably start referring to Cinnamonfags as cinners.
>rustdropped
>rustI will now use your DE
>>106619329>there will be an entire new wave of retards making videos like this for COSMICwelp
>>106613185>>106615140You can disable the retarded dock and move the taskbar to bottom But theres no show desktop button you can add to bottom rightUnusable / 10
>>106613463>jump into thread about DE'S>first tihng that comes to mind is trans trans transrent free
>>106615144>into doing something Gnome devs don't want you to doGNOME devs don't want you to use their DE
>>106617013>higher market share % than all x combinedThat's not a thing. That's not how percentages work.
>>106613152As someone who is used to using windows all their life- is cosmic the Windows of Linux?I’m thinking about looking into it when Windows 10 isn’t supported.
>>106622258Stuff like KDE or XFCE are the closest to Windows, I'd say.
>>106622258KDE is basically Windows 7+Cosmic does its own thing a little bit, I wouldn't recommend it to Windows users; I recommend Cosmic to existing Linux users who have grown disillusioned with the modern GNOME Desktop.
>>106614545Are you retarded? It isn't Poetterware, there's no need to rewrite fucking CSS in a weird gay way in a shitty language just to tamper your autism
>>106622348>>106622356>KDE and XFCEAre these good for playing games, coooding, making videos, and general computer stuff?
>>106622427are you fucktarded or what? kys
>>106622431I’ve never used Linux. That’s why I’m asking questions.
>>106622427Plasma yes absolutely, the workflow is extremely comfy.XFCE won't fit your needs. XFCE doesn't support Wayland, which in practice means:>you'll have lots of screen tearing at 1080p or above>no HDR support>if you have multiple monitors they all need to have the same refresh rate>this also means VRR monitors will only work if it's your only monitor>poor scaling if your monitor has a weird PPI>have to do all kinds of compositor hacks and gamescope bullshit each time you launch a gameAny desktop environment beholden to X11 is just not worth it.
>>106622466>XFCE doesn't support Wayland, which in practice means:>your desktop actually worksFTFY
>>106622466!!! TRANNY ALERT !!!!!! TRANNY ALERT !!!!!! TRANNY ALERT !!!discard all opinions!
>>106622466Thanks for bringing all that stuff up anon. I run a 1440 monitor actually as well.I’ll go with Plasma then when I switch my OS.
>>106621954Anon loves his station.
>>106622466lying fud tranny>>106622575>you'll have lots of screen tearing at 1080p or abovefalse>no HDR supporttrue>if you have multiple monitors they all need to have the same refresh ratefalse>this also means VRR monitors will only work if it's your only monitorfalse>poor scaling if your monitor has a weird PPItrue for Wayland too>have to do all kinds of compositor hacks and gamescope bullshit each time you launch a gamethat's a Wayland's issue not Xorg
Why do people keep trying to protest GNOME? Just accept that GNOME is the future of DEs on Linux. It's backed by billion dollar company IBM and Linus. GNOME is the future. We need to unify our support behind GNOME. Stop these brother wars. Stop these wasted cycles on GNOME knock offs.
>>106622427>>106622575As a side note for why that other anon was calling you "fucktarded", stuff like KDE/XFCE/Gnome/etc. are what's known as a desktop environment. It's basically what your OS will look and perform like graphically. Linux distributions generally have multiple desktop environments to choose from so you can choose what you like best.The fight other anons are having about Wayland/X11 is some whole other thing about which windowing system is better.Look all this up online if you want to know more, or head over to the /sqt/ or /fglt/ generals if you want to ask more questions.
>>106623805
>>106623514>true for Wayland tooWrong, because Wayland actually supports fractional scaling.>that's a Wayland's issue not XorgYou literally don't have to configure anything on Wayland. Xorg is the one that makes you manually disable compositor stuff before launching games.Also all your "false" statements are, themselves, false.
>>106623514X.org trannies are so unhinged.you don't have non-shit compositingyou don't have fractional scalingyou don't have a colorspace larger than sRGByou don't have actual securityyou don't have mixed refresh or vrryou don't have shit.IDK why you pathetic boomer cucks keep denying reality. it's as pathetic as anti-systemd faggots a decade ago. you lost. move the fuck on.
>>106623812Thanks anon. I will do that.
>>106613152Now show the file picker
>>106624571What's this weird /g/ obsession with file pickers? Think you'll find your father in one?
>>106624571I'm pretty sure the COSMIC file picker has already had a grid view with thumbnails for a while.
>>106621384don't cry man, plasma and the new macos get this shit all the time
>>106613152If it forces CSD then it's useless.
>>106616036>Need a third party extension to do it.Thanks, I'm sticking with KDE.
>maximize window>move the cursor to the top right corner>click>it doesn't close the app:(and it needs night light, probably more stuff I don't remember like github.com/Zren/plasma-applet-commandoutput (2-lined)after that I'l definitely switch to it if they provide an Ubuntu PPA because I don't like their distro
>>106628385>I don't like their distro>so I'm gonna turn Ubuntu into their distro???'
>>106628547>DE and distro are the same thing
>>106628910>cosmic and ubuntu, not mostly the same thing
>>106629549*PopOS, not cosmic
>>106614582>mentally ill neetsevery accusation is an admission>full of CVEretarded on top of mentally ill? that's tough.
>>106613152Just what Desktop linux needs, yet another DE.
Just in time as all gnome devs get thrown in prison.
>>106625488gee, i dunno, i wonder why people on an imageboard would care about a feature that makes it easier to upload images--a feature that was conspicuously absent from most linux distros for decades. quite the mystery.
>>106613152If you want a customizable DE you can already use KDE or any other DE that's not gnome
It doesn't look that great, libadwaita still looks better.
isnt this from system76? how much does system76 do in terms of software projects? how much modification or extension of coreboot do they do?
>>106629725>absent from most linux distros for decadesOn your hobbyist toys, maybe.
>>106617013Why is chrome os not considered linux?
>>106629708Just have Gnome devs abandon their DE and the problem is solved.
