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Wuthering Waves still crashes on latest Nvidia driver
real talk, would using this case with a 5090 not just guarantee that the fans will be throttling nearly 24/7? I can't imagine this case can handle high performance whilst also not turning into a jet engine.
>>106619078Jensen is doing you a favor by not letting you play gacha shit
>>106619078that was supposed to be fixed a few drivers ago
>>106619107Will autistic anons ever stop trying to make meme-cases a thing for high performance builds, ever? cringe.
I'm completely out of the loop, whats the latest safe rtx 50 driver? I'm still on 572.83 out of fear of downloading the wrong driver and having my shit fucked
>>106619155the latest one is as good as it gets
>>106619154>If you want a good gayming monitor go for a benq with environment light sensor. This allows you to automatically adapt the picture to the current environment lighti sit in a dark room with sunscreen taped shut lol. Honestly i think im either buying a cheap 2-300$ random 1440p now, or im gonna sit on the fence for a couple more months and hopefully grab a good deal @ black friday on oled (last year had some pretty good monitor deals).. But waiting when i get my new build tomorrow is gonna suck.. ugh
>>106618636If you want a good gayming monitor go for a benq with environment light sensor. This allows you to automatically adapt the picture to the current environment light, which is better than most people expect. Delta E<2 on oleds doesnt mean shit if the environment light destroys the grey balance and makes the black levels vanish.Even better would be a graphics monitor, but they are pretty much limited to 60Hz and only look good in a light controlled environment - which is unfeasible for anybody except photofags
>>106619193I guess youre fine then. Just choose one that is actually flicker free. It will be better for your eyes.
>>106619118I think the game just hates boost clocks
>>106619225>Just choose one that is actually flicker freehow to know which ones have flicker? just google reviews? or are some panel types more inclined to have it?
>>106619227are you undervolting/overclocking?
>>106619078You're a tranny.
How many fans do you REALLY need?
>>106619312a lot
>>106619312My last PC only has one stock CPU fan and the GPU has one single fan. You dont need more.
>>106619248>>106619248Look up reviews ye. OLEDs always flicker in the refreshrate interval if it displays darker colors. VA, TN and IPS depend on the backlight. Its fine if its pwm dimming with at least 3kHz or if its dc-like dimming. Ideally the review has some measurements with a graph and the ms on x-axis, showing brightness on the y-axis.Picrel shows the Samsung S95F OLED TV which clearly has brightness dips with the refreshrate but reviewers still claim that OLEDs are flicker free which is a flat out lie. I guess they just cant use their brains properly or something. They have the data right in front of them and they dont recognize it
>>106619259who isnt? cards come pre oc'd these days.
>>106619354don't be retarded, are you manually applying any overclocks or undervolts? if yes, that is why you're crashing, dumbass
>>106619354Pre OC is just marketting. They all boost to the same freq.
When did AIO become popular and standardized?
Gem Alert!
Why the fuck are modern GPUs ~70 degrees under load?My 2060 Super is ever reaching 50-60 max.What went wrong with those temperatures?
>>106619365>>106619361the boost in gpu-z says 2650mhz but can go as high as 2830mhz on its own
>>106619416>tranny tracingWho cares?
>>106619312Wouldn't this PC be a million times better with two giant 200mm(?) fans in the front? More efficient and would push far more air than those 8.
>>106619426? The 5090, 5080, and 9070xt run hot because they can pull assloads of power
>>106619475Why aren't 200mm fans popular?
>>106619498guess
>>106619426"Under load" means differently depends on what game, resolution, fps, settings youre targeting, retard. Temp depends on your card's power draw and cooling solution. The 2060 super is very low powered.
>>106619426>why do cards pulling 400 watts run slightly hotter than my card that pulls less than 200 wattsgee i wonder
Im playing with 60 fps cap for better letency, keeping my gpu below 100% around 80-90%. I wonder if the power cycles of full load to no load, to full load 60 times a second harm my gpu. It means that temps probably look like a zig-zag. Its probably no issue at all because it would be extremely retarded if it would
PS5 is a joke
>>106619475larger fans have lower static pressurehigh static pressure is good for radiators
>>106619498I use 4 in my pc.
>>106619732Show case?
ELI5 : The fsr4 leak or whatever, will it work on any card or how does this work? Theoretically I could try to use it on a vega 64 or Nvidia gpu?
>>106619043case should be on the floor under the desk
>>106619634How do they do it in an electronic store? Im pretty sure it's nothing special and they can have them there for years.
>>106619043>265K for value & reliability i was told intel was buggy and overpriced
>>106619789>crawl under your desk like a dog just to pull out a cable
I'm just a novice but can somebody explain why everybody trashes Intel CPU's but most pre-builts and laptops use Intel? I already chose to build my own computer with the 7800x3D, but it's impossible to not notice all the computers with Intel chips on the market. What incentives are these companies getting?
>>106619107youre supposed to water cool that case senor sperg
>>106619775it works on any card with int8 support so as far back as pascal (gtx 1000), vega, and intel arc. the better the int8 the faster it will run. for example theres less of a impact on 9070xt than 7900xtx because rdna4 is just way better at int8 and fp8.
>>106619416Remind me why the 50-series exists when 40-series cards have more memory?
>>106619774HAF 700 EVO with a 200x400mm top radiator.
>>106619813and what cools the water? ignoring the fact that air cooling is quieter
>>106619826idiotic
>>1066198215000 series has new display controller. thats the primary upgrade. it does next gen displayport and the framegen tech is done inside the display controller instead of on shader units.
>>106619826air cools the waterwater cooling is all just a scam it all leads back to air doing all the work
>>106619846Water is nice because you are moving the heat directly out of the case and not dumping it in a metal box to be sucked up by other components.
>>106619819Is the quality the same as regular rdna4 exclusive fsr4?
>>106619857>out of the caseyou mean into the reservoir, housed inside the case, cooled by fans
>>106619821They don't you're retarded.
>>106619837>it does next gen displayport and the framegen tech is done inside the display controller instead of on shader units.What practical benefits do I, a gaymer, see from this?
>>106619821https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-decode-support-matrix
>>106619862No i mean to the radiator blowing directly out of the case. The reservoir is after the radiator and all the heat has been expelled. Nothing is dumber than a 600w gpu blowing hot air onto the MB and CPU cooler when it could be routed outside the case with no noise at all.
>>106619859fp8 fsr4 is better quality and can run on 9000/7000(on linux using wmma). it wont run on anything lower than that.int8 is slightly worse quality but it will run on more stuff. its already better quality than xess2 which is a win.>>106619892your cpu & gpu usage goes down because the shaders and cores are free to do other things as the display controller is doing the work now like frame buffering and framegen.
>>106619689Oh good point, I didn't notice the radiators in there.
>>106618396On top of being infested with Denuvo. I dont have friends to play Borderlands 4. I only play Borderlands 1 in my life and i feel like a retard playing it alone
Why is modern PC gaming so fucked and depressing?
how did people run games at 4K on a 980ti9 years ago they expected us by now to be playing in 8K 240fps by nowinstead we get borderlands devs telling us to play at 30fps 1440p with upscaling enabledwhere'd it all go so wrong
>>106619970>how did people run games at 4K on a 980tiDepends on the game and engine, that's how.
Whoever designed the usb 3 front panel connector should be fucking shot
>>106620016Ah welcome brother
>>106619970>instead we get borderlands devs telling us to play at 30fps 1440p with upscaling enabled>where'd it all go so wrongUE5>BorderlandsUnreal Engine 3>Borderlands 2Unreal Engine 3>Borderlands 3Unreal Engine 4>Borderlands 4Unreal Engine 5 slopNext Halo game will be UE5 :)
>>106619970unreal engine 3 looked like shit (compared to what we have now) and ran good on shit hardware
>>106619970it was probably 4k in some DX9 game
>>106620054and it was at 30 fps
>>106619969Gamers buying EXPO/XMP kits without checking what they're actually buying and ending up with a latency/stability nightmare.
>>106619808>crawl under your desk like a dog just to pull out a cabledamn, actually a funny and good reason to keep it on top, need to get myself more desk space haha
>>106619043I'm trying to future proof my rig and was looking into fan-less case designs. With the assumption I can continue to slot in newer PC's into an older shell how much hotter are CPU's going to get? I want to try and stack as many cooling solutions into the design (which would include fans) early that way I can continue to use the case and motherboard as the years go on without scorching the internals
>>106620136>much hotter are CPU's going to get?both intel and AMD are planning major core count jumps in the next generation just next year so I'm guessing a lot
>>106620143>I'm also trying to fit these component's into a home-made laptop using a mini-ITX motherboard designed to fit on the back of screens.Similar to other luggable server military laptops ala:https://acmeportable.com/rugged-portables
>AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor>Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler>MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard>Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory>Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive>Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC SFF GeForce RTX 5070 12 GB Video Card>Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case>MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power SupplyThoughts?
beated on my boughted Intel Arc B580
>>106620136I came here asking for this. Was looking into building a streacom DB4 with 8700G and 128gb DDR5-6000 30CL. Mainly because I have a few norbauer keyboards and I cant find another case that is as dense and solid to match that aesthetic. For a monitor I already have a Barco monitor from [redacted]
>>106619970>run games at 4K on a 980tiHm? Now I actually had a 980ti, you weren't doing 4k 60 consistently in new game unless you just used low/medium for everything.By like 2016/2017 or something it really rough regardless of settings in most games. >Unreal enginePeople have been bitching about the way it performs forever now, just stop playing the games if it's that big of a deal to you.
>>106620037>>106620049Nintendo, CDPR, Bethesda, FromSoftware, Koei Tecmo, SEGA, Bamco, Ubisoft, and Capcom are the only ones I can think of that still use (or at least primarily uses) their own proprietary enginesNamco is making their own engine right nowSega is still using Hedgehog Engine and whatever powers Phantasy StarCapcom has RE EngineKoei Tecmo has their own engineSo does FalcomGranblue Relink was on a custom game engineDeath Stranding 2 is using Decima Engine from HorizonFor FPS... Valve, Remedy, id and Call of Duty (BO6 used the IW 9.0 engine) Unreal Engine is slop.
>>106620179im happy 4 u. now play wuthering waves. it now officially supports b580. its also free.
>>106620177good midrange computer, what's the total price?
>>106620211Around £1240 (my top of my budget is about this price). First build so I have no idea what I am doing but have been watching a bunch of reviews trying to get some semblance of an idea.
>>106620202retard
>>106620222You did well for that price.
>>106617915Sounds pretty good.>>106617925A lot of hot air gets trapped under gpu that is pushed out the sides. If you open case in a heavy game you'll feel the hot air there. The extra exhaust gets all that out that doesn't get forced out from the back/top.
im gonna have to run an ethernet cable
>>106620244
>>106620177It's fairly balanced for a mid range buildI just wish devs would make up their mind if 8 cores or 6 cores is what they want for games now, too many are saying 8 cores to play on low but listing old 8 core CPUs when they do it
>>106620235Nothing really worth changing or stretching for?
>>106620244Once you do you'll wonder how you lived before it
>>106620244Um, were you not already?
>>106620271unless you're gonna double the CPU budget to get a 9700x or 7600X3D not really, and even then you'd only get the X3D if you're playing a CPU intensive game that eats cache you could stretch the SSD to a 990 Pro or get the SN850X those are better than the P3 Plus
What the fuck happened to reflex 2? I just remembered this and now I'm angry
>>106620037The modern gen of game devs basically never experimented or created anything of its own, instead they went to a shitty 3d game school that doesn't prepare you at all, and then dumps you in a studio. Furthermore most of studios are also now filled with 3rd world pajeets working from abroad, making shit even shittier. Here's lipsyncing/expression an RPG from 2003 and 2023
Wait so FSR Redstone runs on Nvidia AI hardware I'm assuming. What's the point of buying AMD?
Do people in this general not look at/participate in the rest of the board? Basically everyone uses GNU/Linux and free software on this board, but somehow everyone on /pcbg/ uses windows and assumes everyone else also does. There is a link to the windows thread, but no mention of the GNU/Linux one or any info about free software in general. Very weird
>>106620434>GNU/Linux and free software on this boardbecause they're faggotsAlso /pcbg/ is basically a v cross over, of course everyone would use windows.
>>106620434plenty of people here use GNU/linux, but anyone looking for advice is probably not a freetard like us, and certainly not people looking to play video games.
Anyone sane uses nvidia on Linux anyway
>>106620391>What the fuck happened to reflex 2?same thing that happened to Pulsar monitor (announced CES 2024, expected release Summer 2024)it was vaporwareit was fakeryit was never being released it was fake technology it was a ruse it was always a lie it was a tech demoit was a concept it was potentialit was still bakingit was all made up
>>106620434/pcbg/ is the only thread with people buy graphics cards to play games on them. Most of /g/ is busy with stinkpads and autism distrohopping.
>>106620462>Pulsar monitorThose came out eventually though didn't they?
>>106620486afaik, nope
>KTC H27t22c >1440p monitor 165hz, currently runs 144hz max on old ass HDMI due to running with 1060>can run 4K 60hz non-DSR>It ''lost signal'' when playing BF1 at 1440p>the speakers don't work on defaultIs this an exceptionally good Monitor that runs better than its native resolution for movies & stuff or is it OLED tier longevity, i'm still in the return window.>bought for $181To note:>I might have literally bumped the HDMI cable from its back though, as it worked after a restart and a bit of nudging. Cable is old and abused, bit loose>Why is the bottom of the monitor warm to the touch?>the 12-year-old BENQ 1080p 60Hz ran perfectly for years, can i expect similar performance? >Why is everything so small?
>>106620434because if you are retarded enough to use windows, you probably need your hand held for everything else computers.
