>>106619845
That's so cool. I love seeing people who go into tech completely demoralized. Thanks OP. You seem so happy in others misery.

Fuck you.

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>>106619845
They just can't take it anymore, maybe more H-1B visas will be the solution to this

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Do firsties really wait to end graduation to get a job?
Jesus, I started coding for money at 16 (wrote cheat scripts for a popular German MMORPG); by the time I graduated, I already had worked for 4 companies.
How the fuck do you guys even afford to pay tuition without a job?

>>106619845
>>106619901
same russian

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>>106619845
>Thanks OP
You're welcome

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>>106619919
>same russian
I'm American actually

>>106619946
>>106619871
meant to reply here oops

>>106619962
bullshit.
How the fuck do you get stressed working in IT? It's literally the easiest job in the world.
Nigger, just go to the gym, like, nigger, get a hobby.
Fucking fat faggot think playing video of gaymen is a hobby and fill their assholes with sugar, then they come up with this bullshit, like, "my job is so hard, i had to work for almost 2 hours today". Holy shit, my gf is a nurse at a hospital and there is not a single day she doesn't need to walk past faeces, blood or vomit. And let's not start to talk about having to push and pull useless fat fucks. She is 29 and already has 4 hernias, and this nigger who spends most of the day doing nothing is stressed.

>>106619845
Good, luddites deserve this and more keeeeek

>>106620022
all of these posts are complaints about abusive indian managers, h1b, and ethnic nepotism reworded to evade reddit rules. the actual job is cushy as hell. that said, the competence of new grads is hilariously variable. people writing compilers and drivers for fun sit next to people who chatgpt'd their way through and can't actually code when you cut their internet access

props to your gf for doing something valuable for society

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>>106620022
>gf is a nurse at a hospital

Who's gonna tell lil bro

>>106620022
>How the fuck do you get stressed working in IT? It's literally the easiest job in the world.
you have no fucking idea about IT, retard. having to manage retarded users, having to solve the weirdest problems, having to do everything by yourself and being blamed for everything is really fucking stressful.

>>106619845
>I've built some projects but clearly they don't matter
There's your problem lmfao lil bro worked on goofy sorry ass weather app with no real passion projects

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>>106619845
>graduated with no experience

>>106620653
I have at least three times the experience of you, but sure, correct me.

>>106619845
he should bootstrap his own webpage. why work for mr bergstein

>>106619845
Stupid lazy whiteoid complaining from his comfortable house while Indians have to work hard to escape powerty these white colonialists created

>>106621006
Germany and Japan were mostly destroyed in WW2 but they both recovered in a few decades. Most of China was living on rural farms just a couple generations ago. Israel didn't even exist a hundred years ago. Quit making excuses.

>>106619871
The real demoralization for Canadians has nothing to do with tech.
It's the decades of nonstop mass immigration (particularly the last 10 years of Indian immigration).
Accepting 10 million jeets in 10 years has completely ruined this country.

>>106620679
But it's his DREAM to make sorry ass weather apps!

Too many retards thought tech was easy money when they have no aptitude for CS

>>106622991
More like the prerequisite for a tech job is no longer a CS degree but being Indian.

>>106619845
The main issue here is being traumatized by a single failed interview. Kids have no grit.

You have to accept the prospect of 100s of failed interviews if necessary and with total emotional detachment. This is a harder prerequisite than a degree.

>>106620653
Imagine being emotionally invested in working for other people

>>106623789
So pretending that 50% of these job listings had no intention of hiring anyone to begin with is the solution?

>>106619845
Take some action and start a company.

>>106619845
I have a computer science degree and I am unemployed.

Having to compete against the rest of the world is tiresome.

>>106619901
I think a lot of people act depressed because they think they're expected to in order to fit it.
Which quickly, perhaps even simultaneously, leads to real depression, that is to say, they become depressed because they think they should.
Doesn't help that software development is one of the most heinously unnatural things anyone can do.

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I literally don't care what is happening to developers in USA displaced by pajeets by the hands of the politicians they voted for and corporations they consume from

>>106619903
They go into debt, my African American friend.

>>106625709

It's horrible. My only advice to anyone going into anything after high school is to pick something that's hard to send to a machine in India.

>>106619901
>my coworker showed up to work and — get this — they asked her to do her job!

>>106619903
i heard that it's best to spend your time focusing on your education and developing your skillset than being a wagie unless you're doing an intership in your aspiring career. other than completing school work, you can use that time to work on personal projects and develop skills for joining interships in the future
it makes the most sense to get a job during school if your living conditions are poor
>How the fuck do you guys even afford to pay tuition without a job?
financial aid and small streams of income

>>106623789
>just give a gorillion interviews kiddo
>t.boomer who got a job on his first interview (no experience required, on the job training).

>>106623789
I don't even get interviews. I get the generic "Thank you for applying, but we are looking for someone more closely aligned with our current needs". Rejection emails like these makes me want to [redacted] someone in Minecraft.

>>106625712
>Doesn't help that software development is one of the most heinously unnatural things anyone can do.
huh what do you mean? Outside of nightmare managers, retard users, etc. the act of software development itself is very comfy.

>i think its about time to throw in the towel on this dream
the dream being: i want lots of money
these faggots have no real aspiration or passion in life, and that is why they fail.

>>106620653
>having to manage retarded users
literally the dumbest problems solved in 5 mins to an hour. and even if it takes an hour you are just sitting around as the computer installs or reformats or just transfers files.

> having to solve the weirdest problems
Heaven forbid you learn something new.

>being blamed for everything is really fucking stressful.
Ask your doctor for some TRT kid.

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>>106625712

My favorite times in software have been when

1. someone needs a tool or way to do something
2. they ask me to figure out how to do it and leave the door wide open
3. I'm free to just build and explore and put something useful together
4. they use it (and I feel validated)

This has been really rare. I had an internship like this. Really it's the way enterprise software and the SDLC is set up that just grinds you to bone. Stupid little features and bug fixes and tiptoeing your way around big gross legacy codebases while the organization holds the constant threat of Indians over your head.

I make $150k right now, if someone offered to hire me to do the little tool guy thing I mentioned for $90k I think I would take it.

>>106625937

Before the B2B SaaS explosion I think it was more like this. Every organization needed their own little programmer wizards to try to create useful internal tooling. Now they just subscribe to yet another bloated app.

>>106619845
>graduate from cs
>go on the websites that the entire world is using to find a job
>have to compete with thousands of other people with the same qualifications as you
hmmmm i wonder why these idiots cant get a job. everyone that i know that graduated this mid year that was willing to get creative with their job search (3 people) all got $80k+ jobs. protip: spamming you resume on linkedin, indeed, and company site job postings will get you nowhere

>>106626016
So, what you are saying is that I should strip naked in the middle of Silicon Valley to get people's attention and redirect them to my resume by scanning a QR code.

>>106626062
you joke but people pull all kinds of retarded stunts just to get their resume read by a human

>>106625954
"SAP Tech" used to be a whole thing. they'd just subscribe to whatever the fuck salesforce does, realize no one has an answer to "what the fuck is salesforce", and have people write extensions for it in house. but now so many of these extensions just already exist and are in such a boring non-customer-facing field that we have finally found the answer to whether all the software that needs to exist exists yet. for HR catladies, salespeople, and inventory tracking, the answer appears to be yes

>>106626110
Well, I don't want to be THAT desperate.

>>106620716
I'm such an imbecile. I should have been beating and clawing down people's doors for a scrap of work experience like a zombie since my freshman year.

>>106626062
No, all you need to do is go to your future employer, give him a firm handshake and suck his dick real good

I’ve noticed for all of these Reddit complaints if you dig enough you find out they’re always from second or third world countries like Canada or the baltics. The market is rough in the US but there’s still some bank in the middle of nowhere that needs a programmer that will hire you

>>106627026
the problem here is that most of those people only apply to fang companies and get rejected, they don't think about smaller companies which are looking for people.

>>106619845
He is aiming too high? If he is that good he should create his own thing, if not he should lower his expectations. Well he can also turn trans or gay, they will hire him instantly. Maybe even make him CEO.

Funny, I just got a new job
50-60% raise, from in-prfice to hybrid
<1 year total exp

>>106627099
in-office*

>>106625844
Passion just gets you yelled at for wrongthink.

>>106625839
>what do you mean?
I mean specifically modern software development like what >>106625937 said.
>Really it's the way enterprise software and the SDLC is set up that just grinds you to bone. Stupid little features and bug fixes and tiptoeing your way around big gross legacy codebases while the organization holds the constant threat of Indians over your head.
That's not the same as just writing a program or application (I.e. just "programming"). It's writing a solution for existing programs that you don't/can't/aren't allowed to fully understand, so there's a much bigger pile of shit to sort before you have even written something that does even a fraction of what you want.

>>106627092
for CEO you need to be indian

>>106620716
25 years ago you could actually do this. What's insane is colleges pretend it's still 1998.

>>106619845
Yall have been spreading this FUD ever since before I graduated in 2017.

Personally I got interviewed and hired by literally the first place I applied to. Started at $100k

>>106619845
>I work minimum wage (somehow found a minimum wage job)
>I don't try to do any sort of freelance/contract/piecemeal work
>just apply to salaried positions
dumb nigger

>>106619901
Companies layoff senior software devs to bring in immigrants at the 1 and 2 levels to put downward pressure on wages. It creates stagnation at the entry levels and prevents the top levels from staying around.
Rounds of layoffs is their current method of choice, which is why you get simultaneous layoffs of natives and hiring immigrants at the same time.

>>106619845
Canada in particular must be brutal. A deluge of scabs from abroad, depressed wages, a bad job market, apparently massive housing shortages.
It'll probably all work out but nows not the time to be picky.
But in time all things pass.

>>106629510
>workout
It will, indeed, workout for the "own nothing and be happy."

>>106629510
Been this way in canada for over ten years now. Waiting is not working ;_;

>>106619845
Yeah CS2 can't hold a candle to CS:GO.

>>106619845
>I've built some projects, but clearly they don't matter
Why not just build some projects that do matter? OH YOU NEED ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE FOR THAT? Well then pick up a book retard.
>>106619903
>cheat scripts for money
Kill yourself

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How many years more till normies and failed normies who go CS because they have no other employment ideas besides "a computer job", will kindly leave our territory alone?

>>106629907
>If we didn't have H1B we wouldn't have this jewish-african scammer in the country stealing your boomers grandparents pension
Lets just push them all into the ocean