>>106639683
>unused ram is wasted ram
what unused ram? All my ram is accounted for. I never have "free" ram, there's always at the least cache.
>you can shave off 150M by disabling the default background
I have no words

>>106639683
>150MB
>for a fucking background
I hate zoomers so much it's unreal

Is it stored in memory as a plain bitmap? If so, is there a technical reason for that? Even at 24 bit color, the math doesn't work out.

>>106639683
>unused ram is quite literally just wasted ram
What the literal fuck is this logic? That's 200MB of RAM I now cannot use on something else. Does this retard redline his car at every opportunity just because he can? Unused horsepower is just wasted horsepower?

>maximalist software is developed by a maximalist
amazing news

>>106640724
It's gotta be animated. No way that's just a static bitmap.

>>106639683
He's right though
I don't get why the backgrounds take up 200MB though, even as a raw RGBA array

its amazing he can say that last line while pretending that isnt exactly why software is so slow.

Only trannies can code. Chuds can't code.

>>106641022
your fetch clone with a faggot flag is an important contribution to the betterment of society. Nobody else could have came up with this essential software. Please face the wall

Is there any truth to the background thing?

I am brutal because I use like super huge multi-megabyte high res backgrounds, am I killing my performance?

>>106639683
@grok is this real?

Anyone used Niri? Wish I didn't have to use Electron apps but I do and they suck with Hyprland because it tries to force them to be floating windows.

>>106641158
What?

>>106641247
What do you need electroon for?

>>106641241
As real as your tight ass. Now, I hope you did the prep we talked about *unzips 12-inch futanari benis*

>>106641255
I need to overexplain calling you a retarded faggot? man I miss early 2000s internet, it was so much simpler

>>106639683
>150MB RAM for a background
Literally how? When I shoot in RAW with my Canon the pictures come out like 30-40 MB, how the fuck is a background taking up 150?

>>106639683
In RGBA 150mb would be around 6000x6000 pixels, not as crazy as many seem to think.
That's obviously overkill for a wallpaper but that size of image isn't that rare.
For reference 1920x1080 would be 8mb.
That doesn't justify his later comment.

>>106641578
An uncompressed 1920x1080 RGBA 20fps animation would be roughly that.

You used to be able to run a whole operating system and multitask several apps with 128MB of RAM. Now you need more to render the desktop wallpaper.

>>106641605
Good to know, I guess it's still a bit baffling to me, especially since I don't remember the background being animated from the time I briefly tried Hyprland.

>>106641613
I myself am trying to make it make sense. No idea if it's animated or not. Maybe the thing has some 3d depth data sitting on top of it for effects or what have you. God knows.

>>106641624
Either way, truly the pinnacle of technology.

>>106641578
I'm pretty sure RAW files still use compression, but in any case RAWs aren't images.

>>106639683
Having unused ram helps one of my older laptops not go into swap-hell(which also from what I understand fucks my SSD as well over time).
I did change the swapiness setting, and this seems to help avoid that a lot.
But I never realized how stupid that unused RAM meme was until I took this computer out of storage to see how it fairs in the era of bloat.
It's really stupid it seems.

>>106640724
Well the computer has to process it it so it has to be stored as bitmap at some point.

>>106639683
A 16bit per channel RGB image, at 4k, is 50mb.

Being they talk about async loading, and they seem to have 3 default background images that you can’t replace (only disable), they may load all 3 at once be default.

>>106641610
If you want a background that is more than a flat colour, and you don’t have room for a 3rd buffer in VRAM, your minimum RAM usage is going to be determined by your screen resolution (and bit depth setting)

>>106641613
Maybe it's not the background that's being animated but the windows overlayed on it? The animations are handled like a flip book? Just wild guesses here.

>unused RAM is wasted RAM!
So tired of hearing this bullshit from people to justify their shitty practices and code. Back when I was learning even the normalfags would laugh and call your work shit if you tried to justify using up 100s of MBs of RAM on something like a background. You had better had a DAMN good reason for eating into RAM like that. No.
>The kernel uses a cache
Isn't good enough.

My work has required a high end workstation for as long as I've been using computers. At one time that meant about 1MB of RAM. Later 8MB then 16MB then on and on. By the time I had a workstation with 1GB of RAM I was thinking
>Oh great. This will tide me over for a long time at least until consumer video/audio gets another update.

These days I'm working with 4k+ video sources everyday and those fit fine within 16-32GB of RAM. Since I sometimes have to work with 10+ sources at once I obviously have more RAM of course.

You know what chews through most of my RAM? It isn't my kernel. It isn't all those raw video/audio/image sources. It's my fucking web browser. You know what my web browser is doing most of the time? Idling on 5-10 pages at most with an add-on installed to auto unload them after a few minutes in an attempt to control the out of control RAM usage. Even with that precaution I still have to kill the damn browser once every couple of days and restart it just to force it to free 16+GB of RAM it starts eating because for some damn reason it's too stupid to do it on its own.

The same god damn memory leak I was dealing with in 2002 is still here in 2025. But no worries. At least it's "memory safe" now. What a load of shit.

It amazes me how everything desktop wise has managed to get worse and have less features compared to my workstation+desktop in 1996 yet it all consumes 100x+ times the amount of RAM.

I don't get it. I really don't. I know these faggots can't code because I can. Most of their crap is running on top of shit I wrote or contributed to.

>>106641676
Unless you're drawing tiles.

twitter is full of nocoders he just came up with random bullshit excuse

>>106641578
If they are variable size, they are compressed and not comparable.
If they are a fixed size, you have to remember that RAW files don’t store an RGB image directly, but store data in the camera’s Bayer (etc.) pattern.
So, a 4K raw may only store every second green value, and every 4th red/blue value directly, so would be 1/3rd the size of an equivalent RGB debayered buffer at the same resolution/bit depth.

>>106641730
>RAW files don’t store an RGB image directly, but store data in the camera’s Bayer
The bayer pattern is itself an RGB image but scrambled.

>>106639683
IceWM is using 30MB RAM for everything on my computer.
Hyprland uses 150MB for a fucking background? Are you shitting me?!

>>106641722
Oh and if you think them abusing RAM is bad just take a peek at how much they write random shit needlessly to SSDs. Both Firefox and Chrome engines do it constantly. All day everyday. For no fucking reason. They are artificially reducing the lifespan of most consumer SSDs in common use simply to do shit like cache a youtube video or all this other random shit modern websites feel the need to send down the wire just so the fonts render a certain way. The first thing I do whenever I re-install an OS is spend about an hour or two unfucking the browser engine and forcing it to use RAM instead of the disk for things like this.

But normalfags and most of these "experts" don't notice or don't care because they're just going to toss their device in the garbage in a year and buy a new one anyway. Meanwhile, I'm over here mastering content they consume on a 15+ year old machine at the moment. Since I've had no reason to buy new hardware in a long time. I will probably being doing that this year. But this machine will still be chugging along encoding video as its done for the last 15+ years for another decade I'm sure. Along with some I've had doing the same thing for decades already.

I can't believe how bad things have gotten or the fact that I'm still stuck using a 1970s OS in the 2020s.

>>106641747
A bayer pattern has 2x as many green sample sites, and the sample sites are offset from each other

Unused ram is wasted ram, until you remember that pc users run more than one thing at a time and might want to use more than just a window manager, so it should minimize its memory footprint as much as humanly possible. I'm not sure what he needs 200mb of cache for.

>>106641801
Indeed. You can actually extract the 4 channels manually, average the 2 greens and build a more "honest" composite image. Can't remember exactly what this crude demosacing technique was called.

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>>106639683
I went to this project website to look at it and it brought my pc to its knees, this tells me everything I need to know about it

Just let the OS handle caching of file loads. If you need to process the data, store the result.

>>106641888
I disavow the use of that gross pedo commie in your otherwise factually impeccable image.

>>106639683
he also defended electron

https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2025-electronAintBad

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>MAN WHO DEVELOPS NON-"MINIMALIST" SOFTWARE DOESN'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH 200MB OF RAM USAGE

>>106639683
150mb for a wallpaper is crazy, but he's right that 150mb ram is literally nothing

>>106640976
The highest display anyone is going to have is 8k with 30-bit color depth.
So we 7680*4320 resolution = 31.64
31.64 * 5 bytes / 1024^2 = 158.2 MB

Though I'm not sure why they would load a wallpaper like that by default when almost no one has an 8k display

>>106642042
Pretty sure there are a bunch of nothings piling up already.

My XP daily driver boots to desktop with 120mb, third party firewall and AV on.

>>106642064
oh pasted the wrong thing
33177600 instead of 31.64

>>106639683
just disable the anime wallpaper and animations, and you have the best wayland setup

>>106639683
>unused ram is wasted ram
Unused vram is wasted ram. Likewise every cpu core that doesn't run the hyprland process isn't using this ram.

how is everyone so fucking stjupid???
>HOW IS BACKGROUND 150mb????
he is talking about the rotating anime images that change everytime you open hyprland/. there's like 50 of them.

>>106642103
Why would you load all 50 of them when you only use one each start?

>>106642103
that shouldn't be the default

>>106642103
so just preload 2 ahead and unload after they have been shown

>>106642128
Maybe it rotates throughout the day? Either way it's an abomination.

>>106641767
Yeah, this shit is fucking unreal. You basically need smaller sacrificial drives for this shit if you don't want to completely wear out your good drives. In a sane world you'd offload all that garbage to a ramdisk, but nope, they also save shit like your current browser state to disk every 2 seconds so if you have a crash you'll lose all your tabs.

>>106641223
>>106639683
If you can see you wallpaper a lot, you are not doing enough things with your PC.

>>106641247
>>106641284
Bet he is a discord tranny.

>>106641811
powarzny biznes, sram psa jak sra

>>106639683
>Unused RAM is wasted RAM
Based and BeOS-pilled

>>106642545
zlewy już jado

>>106639683
In theory I agree that unused ram is wasted ram. But shitty devs constantly say this, not realizing I want to not waste my ram by running multiple things on my computer. It should be a term exclusively used by consumers, never developers

>>106642724
this

if dev say this it means that he doesn't care about optimalization

>>106642724
unused ram is wasted ram means that your computer should spend all the free ram on transient caches that make everything go faster and feel snappier (which is what your OS is already doing), not that 1GB for a crappy electron todo list app is actually okay.

>>106639683
Ah the amazing Polish technology

>>106641942
.t ranny

>>106642128
because they don't only change on startup. i don't know exactly when else they shuffle and rotate and suck dick but i know for sure they do it on startup. And the faggot who wrote the piece of shit would rather load all the wallpaper into memory than have to spend 50 ms to load a new one when needed.

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>>106639683
street-shitting post-meritocratic redhat tranny hands typed this thread.

>>106642042
Once, maybe but the 10 other apps that also do similiar dumb shit add up.

>>106642593
Ten adres to wirtualne biuro, debilu jebany.

>>106643317
At least it won't breed

>>106641722
>So tired of hearing this bullshit from people
Depends on the argument
>caching webpages
good
>200MB for a fucking wallpaper
Bad

>>106643317
>when a transgender Indian codes better than a Pole
This is what RDS (Russia Derangement Syndrome) does to a nation.
Look at India. Does India hate Russia? Of course not. And because they don't, they are free to spend their mental resources productively, instead of having a foreign country take 80% of the available brainspace.

>>106642233
>You basically need smaller sacrificial drives for this shit if you don't want to completely wear out your good drives
You do realize that SSD lifetime is directly proportional to its capacity?

>>106644281
theevilskeletroon is a nocoder. His "work" mostly consists of packaging linux programs into inferior packages (flatpaks) and sucking redhat's dick publicly. Vaxry is actual coder, not really great one, but he actually writes something on his own. Literally noone mentioned russians in this thread, yet for some reason you came here unprompted and decided to leak from your clitty because someone offended your zigger feelings (in your head).

>>106639683
>mmap & madvise
>If user runs out of memory it gets evicted at no cost.
>If computer has a shit ton of RAM it will just stay forever as we want

It's that simple. I hate brown people so much it's unreal.

>>106644564
theevilskeleton actually maintains gnome calendar and settings

>>106640724
>>106640008
When you load a large texture with opengl/vulkan it will use a billion megabytes of ram, even if you only use it on the gpu

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dont care, still using hyprland

>unused ram is wasted ram
but also
>buy the ram it's cheap who cares
why shit devs are like this?

>>106639683
>stutters
lmao, at best it's something imperceptive like 50ms to load the wallpaper. Which is surely preferable to keeping wallpapers in memory at all times...

>>106648104
The fact that it "stutters" is just proof the code is shit. A sane way to do this would be loading in the asset as needed and hiding it behind some kind of mild delay. Then freeing the memory used by the last one. But even without that requiring 128+MB for some images is insane.

>>106645619
Ah yes the old
>if you aren't into <x> then you're <y>
gambit. Fuck fact: you'll never convince me to use this garbage because it's shit. Just like everything else built on top of wayland. Do you know why? Because wayland is shit.

Do you know what my desktop consumes at boot? About 50-100MB all-in. That's with auto-loading my bloated emacs config and terminal emulator at boot time. Along with my wallpaper script which uses cron to change them fairly often, transparency and the few other effects I have in my custom WM build. I could get it to use even less RAM but I can't be bothered.

My WM is more secure than yours too even though it's built on a fork of Xorg. Since the people that maintain it and the patch set for it actually know what they're doing.

>>106641767
What hardware that's 15 years old are you using? What are you planning to get this year? Any tips on what to read to learn how to unfuck the browser so that it doesn't write constantly to my ssd?

>>106648287
An OCed I7 and a GTX980.
>what are you planning on getting this year?
The highest clock rate/core count AMD CPU I can afford along with an AMD GPU to go along with it. The hardware I'm using now was free when I got it (when it was 1 year old) because I built this PC for someone and they're a dumb normalfag that jumped on the hype train to update a year later. It isn't my only PC of course. But it is my main one for video/audio/image work and programming. Well it and my fairly recent thinkpad with AMD CPU/iGPU.

On my workstation I dumped in a ton of RAM because it was cheap at one point. Maxed it out at 64GB years ago. I also run 6 monitors because I need them for checking content on various things (consumer HDTV, CRTs for SD stuff, and I have a mix of 144hz-120hz monitors in various orientations).
>Unfucking browsers
I can't be bothered to write a novel about this right now. Basically, you need to change some stuff in about:config, set-up RAM disk then direct writes/caching to there. Putting all that crap on actual disk doesn't gain you much. You'll also want to write a small script to dump contents of RAM disk to HDD (or SSD if you want) every 5-10 minutes. I write to an HDD to prevent wear and tear on my SSDs which I use for other tasks. I try to only write to SSDs data that I will use a lot in the future. Since the speed gain in reads is great but writes isn't. Since anything I need to write fast I send to RAM disk (like temp files from compiling software/encoding/browser/etc.).

It would take me a long time to write a guide on unfucking Firefox. I probably should sometime. Since every time I set-up a new system I have to go through it all over again. You'll want various add-ons for it like tab unloading, a custom userchrome/css to unfuck the default layout, various about:config things disabled or changed because they set horrible defaults, turning off various spyware features etc.

All the forks of chrome and firefox aren't worth your time.

>>106643317
least evil gnome developer

>>106643317
does anyone have a pic of him?

>>106648391
Also I've been slowly building what the normalfags are calling a "homelab" these days for the last several years. So I plan to buy a pretty beefy server to upgrade my current one next year. My current one is mostly used for serving media (jellyfin, mpd, file server etc.) at the moment. New one will be set-up to allow me to off load some stuff like encoding over the LAN.

I updated my entire LAN to 10Gbps over copper a few months ago. Slowly buying used hardware on ebay when I can afford it. Plan on eventually doing some fiber drops soon now that I have fiber to the home. When I initially built my LAN I never expected I'd have that option. So everything was limited to 1Gbps over CAT6 when I ran it and bought router/switch/etc.

My LAN lives behind an OpenBSD/pf firewall running on an older x86-64 system I had laying around.

My new server will be built on FreeBSD for the native ZFS support and I'm going to drop a ton of storage in it to supplement the 26TB I already have in the current server.

Current workstation will be moved to the server closet. Where I'll use the hdmi and usb over CAT6 direct runs I did when I built out my LAN to hook it up to multiple TVs. Then it'll mostly be regulated to running vidya. I don't play much anymore but it's nice to play emulated stuff and the 2D games I mostly play with friends when they come over. USB hubs under each TV. Multiple games can be played by multiple people on each TV. Comfy console-like set-up provided by a frontend so my normalfag friends can play vidya when they come over without me having to monitor them every step of the way. I already use it for that purpose but I have to stop whatever I'm working on so the games don't run like shit. So it'll be nice to dedicate it to this fully. Since I haven't found a game that doesn't run at max settings at 1080p yet despite the PC already being over a decade old. Since software stagnated around the time that I originally built it.

>>106644212
>>caching webpages
>good
No its not. Anyone that says this obviously hasn't monitored what both Firefox and Chrome do now. They hammer your SSD/HDD (whatever you have your OS installed on) constantly while open. Even when they're idle.

Caching a 'webpage' shouldn't be a big deal. That's not what modern browser engines do. They constantly write data every second to disk for no reason. Well for no good reason. Mainly, they write constantly because the programmers are fucking lazy and the browser engines are shit. They claim it helps in the event of a crash. It doesn't. They end up losing the data anyway.

Mainly, what they're doing is acting as spyware/malware and constantly logging your use (mouse movements and many other types of metadata) then sending off logs of it to mozilla/google servers. This is how they gather meta data to sell to their "ad partners" and the alphabet agencies.

On *nix OSs it isn't that hard to re-direct the constant writes to RAM disk. On Windows OSs it's a huge pain in the ass. Since it always goes to the %APPDATA% folder by default. So what you end up having to do is download two or three pieces of third party software. Then you have to set-up a RAM disk that activates at boot time and fake the location of the real folder using symbolic links. It's impossible to disable the data it's writing or change where it's writing it through about:config. There are a few options that claim they will allow you to slow it down but it's a lie they do nothing. I know because I've sat some nights and monitored it and the data it was writing out for hours upon hours. No idea how it is on Appleshit but I imagine it's just as bad.

The modern browser engines will constantly churn away writing to disks. Which doesn't allow them to sleep and in the case of SSDs shortens the lifespan greatly no matter how large they are.

One of these days I need to grep through the mozilla code and try to fix this.

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>>106648620
For reference. Here is what is currently being used on my sole Windows 7 box running the latest version of Firefox I've modified heavily. In other words, it's much worse in the default install. This is what is being dumped every 15 minutes from the RAM disk. So it's between 5-15 minutes out of day most likely.

This does not include anything else in the real %APPDATA% directory living on the C: drive. The only thing I've directed to RAM disk+HDD backup on this machine is Mozilla firefox's directory from %APPDATA%.

Monitoring the firefox process it's constantly writing to RAM disk at 0.2MB/s. Even when the browser is "idle" on flat HTML webpages.

Currently I have 8 tabs active. Two of which are on youtube (two videos that have been paused for over an hour), 5 threads on 4chan (of which only 2 are auto updating) and a searx web search. The other 40-odd tabs are not active because they were unloaded by Auto tab discard. I am running ublock origin, noscript and a handful of other quality of life add-ons. All of which should not be doing anything that requires hammering the disk this much.

The more "modern" the webpages the more they hammer the disk. But even old school web 1.0 flat HTML pages show this behavior. Since it isn't simply caching web pages or javascript. It's constantly writing shit to the .profile directory and usage stats and who the fuck knows what else. There are tons of .json files and things contained within these directories which are sent back to mozilla's servers 24/7.

>>106648620
>>106648698
I should also mention. The about:config settings I'm talking about that are supposed to disable writing to disk all start with "browser.cache.*". I have many of these set to "0" or "-1" because they were supposed to (and maybe did) disable this behavior in older versions. Pre 54.x and back they might have worked but I can't remember if they still worked then or they stopped working earlier. I want to say they stopped working around the time Rust was added as a dependency.

Anyway, now they do nothing at all. I know because again I spent more hours than I'd like to admit attempting to tweak this and slow it down. In the end I just gave up and went with the RAM disk+dump to disk now and again route.

If you run Arch (ewww) I think there is something in the AUR that's supposed to automate doing what I do manually. But since I don't run Arch I did it manually using RAM disk+symbolic links on all my machines. On Gentoo you'll want to set-up RAM disk using usual method (I suggest adding zram as well) then make a cron script to dump the contents to disk now and again. Same for the *BSDs, except on OpenBSD you'll need to use mfs because tmpfs was removed several versions ago. Which means you're stuck letting it have 1-2GB of RAM at all times because mfs doesn't automatically resize like tmpfs does on FreeBSD and Linux. OpenBSD guys claim there was some security issue with tmpfs IIRC.

Windows again is a cluster fuck because it has no native way to do RAM disks. So you'll have to grab whatever third party application you prefer for that and do it manually and auto start it at boot. Then you'll need to fuck around with symbolic links to make it go there instead of C:\\%APPDATA%\. Then you'll need to set-up cron in the usual way on Windows to do the dump to HDD.

The upside at least is the browser is much more stable when you use RAM disk. The down side is you'll have to just deal with it spying on you.

Youtube in particular hammers the disk hard.

post your ram

>>106642172
It doesn't.

>>106648819
>>106648698
Are you that guy that was on the thinkpad server a few years ago that used to post tons of info and guides on stuff similar to this? a lot of windows stuff too, i remember. worked on some contract for the government, used to hate on everyone that used ubuntu for production lol. What's wrong with arch? what do you use?

>>106639683
>The day everyone realized Vaxry is an unironic retard.
The first time his name was brought up on this board when you all claimed he was a zased and red pilled programmer?

>>106643317
>Russia Derangement Syndrome
kys orc

>>106639683
>unused ram is wasted ram
>every executable vying to use as much ram as possible is a good thing

you can literally just go on github and look at the code to find out where the 150MB is coming from, instead of guessing
but maybe that's expecting too much from this board, especially in a shitter thread
https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/blob/91f592a87509436dc6f6ea7b3d6705ed7c5af046/src/render/OpenGL.cpp#L2877-L2996

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>>106650159
>you can go to github to disprove what the dev himself said

>>106650184
man, you are dumb

>>106650195
I accept your concession.

>>106640823
>Does this retard redline his car at every opportunity just because he can? Unused horsepower is just wasted horsepower?
Yes.

>>106643317
>troon
>jeet
gegs

>unused RAM is wasted RAM

very cool vaxry, why limit yourself to a background using only 200MB then? Why not just go full bespoke and find a way to make it take 1GB? After all if you don't have 64GB of RAM nowadays, are you some kind of poorfag?

I like this guy cause he does CREATE CREATE CREATE and this pisses in trannys cheerios but goddamn he can be a moron too.

I think Hyprland codebase is quite bad, but at least it's the best working WM for my machine and for my purposes, why the fuck I would care about 200 MB RAM its nothing lol

>>106650277
>I like this guy cause he does CREATE CREATE CREATE and this pisses in trannys cheerios but goddamn he can be a moron too.
People aren't perfect, not sure why you'd expect them to be.

>>106650283
Why do you even care about native software at this point, everything should be universal electron web apps. If you have any objections, clearly you're just a poorfag who can't afford the ram.

>>106650292
electron isnt too bad because writing cross platform desktop apps suck

>>106650292
>why should i care about X?
>well what about this hypothetical exaggerated scenario where X is actually Y
just shut up retard, seriously

>>106650308
Yeah, and its not even the same thing. Electron is not only a memory hog, but it also hogs CPU cycles, wastes GPU, uses more energy altogether which results in shitty performance on laptops. Electron still doesn't enable ozone by default so unless you add some flags it'll work under xwayland.

Electron is far, far worse than Hyprland wasting 200 MB memory lmao.

>>106640823
Climate Change™ activists HATE him

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>>106639683
this one man does a better job than the 200+ people working at gnome. He's a legend for that alone
>>106641022
checked

>>106639683
That's pretty reasonable. I fucking wish more software allowed you to configure how much preloading / caching / lazy unloading it does, especially games which constantly spam loading screens between the hub and a mission when they could just permanently keep the hub loaded, I have plenty of RAM available you don't fucking need this 30s loading screen every fucking time holy fuck.

>>106648244
>you'll never convince me to use this garbage because it's shit.
Anon, with all due respect, no one cares for you and your opinions.

>>106645426
most of xhis commits look like this
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-calendar/-/commit/9213a4fbe41d3444a0830a211cf46b75f43858f1
https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-calendar/-/commit/6252069d260a887985560379b8d388d5b509bf84
This still doesn't make xhim a coder, especially compared to vaxry. Again, not saying chud chudovsky is a super cracked coder, but surely better than this dysgenic subhuman.

>>106653475
anon, cherry picking trivial commits is not fair, he does actually do a lot of work on these projects https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-calendar/-/merge_requests/?sort=popularity&state=merged&author_username=TheEvilSkeleton&first_page_size=20

>>106652692
>picrel
now use the actual portal retard

>>106639683
So instead of wasting time on AsyncResourceGatherer that would have saved 150mb of ram he prioritized more important stuff that will make the DE usable and then went back to those minor problems later on.

Sound reasonable.

First make it work, then optimize it.

>>106652692
That's probably a bug but I remember they tried once to remove that functionality cause muh what's the use case of sorting files.

Firefox also did the same with the new, and slower, about:config, not sure if they fixed it later on cause I just stopped using it.

>>106641284
Obsidian

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>>106653614
>go to link
>see commits
>most of them are just XML/CSS/Configuration edits
>every 5th commit edits 3 lines of code on average, occasionally adds short GTK functions
Yep, still a tranny nocoder.

>Now that we have the AsyncRsourceGatherer in hyprutils we'll be able to asynchronously load the wallpaper
I love modern software.

>>106643554
nie zesraj sie vaxry, dildosy już zamówione

>>106639683
Vaxxery is based. I follow him on Twitter and I am glad he contributes as much code as he does. Wish I could give him spa day coupon so he can relax for a day and come back an even better coder with his mind clear and refreshed.

>>106650328
Crazy how I've never run into these. Maybe don't use bad Electron apps.

>>106653928
zamów sobie jakiś leki na głowe, bo vaxry w niej siedzi i nie płaci czynszu, niedorozwoju.

>>106654980
name 1 good electron app

>>106655076
patrzcie jak go piecze skurwysyna, aż zamówię jeszcze

>>106655098
Obsidian.

He's right and you are frustrated rust troon who wants to both groom and be raped by him at the same time

>>106644281
Good morning

>>106644281
this is why India is superpower already and known by perfect code quality

why does a window manager need 200 MB of "assets"?

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>He's right and you are frustrated rust troon who wants to both groom and be raped by him at the same time

>>106641247
Yeah it's comfy, never tried running an electron app though. Also you could choose which window is floating or not by default in hyprland.

>>106655480
Overhead for uhhhhh..... IT JUST DOES OKAY?

>unused ram is wasted ram
>you won't notice unless you have a 2GB ram laptop
tell that to my 32GB system which right now has 4.8GB in swap usage, thanks to devs like that. "oh it's only a couple hundred megs anon", yea but i have 100 processes, if i have to close something to run your bloated shit then it wasn't unused ram, now, was it?

>>106641578
an uncompressed, 24-bit RGB 4k picture is less than 24MiB
>>106641600
how many people have 6000x6000 monitors? does this thing store the original uncompressed data as well as the displayed/scaled uncompressed data? that would be incredibly wasteful

>>106639683
every dev thinks like this
they don't care about hardware

>>106656623
Devs like this really think you're only using their software.
Which is doubly retarded because said software is a fucking desktop.

>>106656645
I'm reading wallpapers, maybe it caches a bunch of them and it's, by default, some kind of slideshow?

It's this even relevant anymore as it seems to be able to async load them now and caching them was a quick fix till all the pieces were in place?

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200M /more/ ram? more than what?

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>>106656678
He attached this to the tweet. Surely not a Hyprland problem, of course.

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>200mb of ram

Oh no, anyways

>>106656813
>over 90 GB ram so you can enjoy now perfomance of apps from 2000's on computers with 2 gb of ram

great improvement

>Retards itt still don't realize you can change the wallpaper

>>106640724
i guess they did it so they don't have to ship an extra library? duno

>>106655555
Is that you pre-op?

>>106656730
That's absolutely hilarious. It's not just 200MB above one other minimalist compositor, but basically all of them?

>>106657433
I don't believe for a single second this is because of a fucking wallpaper, and that guy is a moron to even suggest such a thing. An uncompressed image, even at 4K (which is definitely not what a literal 2015 Celeron laptop has for a screen) should be ~40MB max.

>>106657433
It's not about "I can fix this issue", it's "why is this even an issue that exists?"

>>106657821
>>106658052
Thag was the issue and he already merged a PR to load it only when in use

https://x.com/vaxryy/status/1968642612203549168

>>106658125
> THIS FIXES IT
> Shows absolutely no evidence of this fixing it.
Thanks Vaxy. Very Cool.

>>106658199
Just read the code bro

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>>106658125
I see vaxry has reddit dicksucking faggot followers.
No wonder he has moved into grifting and moneygrubbing.

>>106658294
And practically begging for a gf.

>>106658294
>>106658318
Cry about it trannies of course textures take up RAM
>grifting
he's written more free code than you ever will

>>106653674
slow as fuck

>>106658484
On a Celeron, maybe.

RGBA32 at 3840x2160 is 132.7MiB

pontificating about 200MB when everyone has 8GB minimum is embarrassing btw. stick to dwm if you need your shit to work on your toaster

>>106658560
it's <32MB wdym.
3840*2160*sizeof(uint32_t) = 3840*2160*4 = 33,177,600

>>106658638
I said RGBA32. As in each channel has 32bits of precision. You are quantizing each channel to 8bit. That's the difference.

>>106641942
hi bryan, when are you livestreaming your suicide?

>>106658651
why would you ever want 32 bits per channel for a desktop wallpaper. that's so much wasted memory.

https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/blob/main/assets/install/wall2.png

imv uses 370mb of ram when i open the image

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>>106658651
>As in each channel has 32bits of precision.
The braindead dicksucking needs to stop

>>106658717
Why would you even want a wallpaper to begin with? Just use a nice solid color and go through your pictures whenever you feel like it.

>>106639683
>unused ram is wasted ram
That's saying a room that isn't filled to the brim is wasted space.

>>106639683
Used ram uses electricity which costs money.
It's marginal but it's there.

unused ram is wasted ram on consoles and other embedded devices. If you're writing a desktop application though then that's a dumb thing to say and you should minimize ram use (within reason).

>>106659155
Thirdie detected.

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>>106639683
A 1920x1200 wallpaper occupies 7mb in memory, or 16mb to the nearest power of 2 in video memory (with alpha), you don't need the prescaled wallpaper in memory

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>>106656730
I can get a whole-ass GNOME install down to like 700Mb what the fuck is he doing

>>106658886
Maybe the solution is to have two versions of the wp and scale it down if available RAM is too low

>>106660095
>ah this user has 16GB of RAM
>render that shit in 8K NOW

Has he given any talks in-person or done videos showing his face? A quick search only turns up anime girls. Is he a poo or horribly disfigured? I need to know how I should be judgemental against him for reasons other than technical (don't lie, we all do it, nothing wrong with that).

>>106658651
can you even get monitors with more than 12 bits of precision? 32bpc is for editing, not a wallpaper

>>106660468
>we all do it
Not everyone takes estrogen, anon.

>>106660399
Yes
>>106660468
He doesn't have public images but he said his fpf (the blonde shota one, not the animal one) was drawn by someone who knows him irl and the pic looks lile him. He is a real Pole not a jeet, he may be ugly tho if his pfp is not actually accurate. He did attend some conferences iirc so if you are a true autist maybe you can find him in some youtube footage somewhere.

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>>106660468
Worse, he's a Polish twink. Picrel is supposedly a caricature.

>>106639683
>so you don't have stutters
i don't i've seen a WM stutter in my life

>>106660721
Weird he turned chud and is angry at the wlroots folx.

>>106660850
Poles are nazis. Germans are trannies. Young twinks can be trad, boomers can be woketards.

>>106660850
He's not a chud, he's some cringe lolbert sissy. He doesn't Heil Hitler.

>people complaining about 100mb of ram while running mint or fedora or arch or whatever
Retards.

>>106645465
That's the reason why DirectStorage was invented.

He's right
Old computers didn't use a ton of RAM because they didn't have it, not because they didn't need it. They constantly read from disc and we're slow as shit as a result.
Memory is cheap now and everything has several gigabytes of it. Better put it to use rather than pretending you're stuck in 95 with 4MBs of it.

>>106641750
to be fair, icewm only handles windows and draws a panel.

>>106662284
>They constantly read from disc and we're slow as shit as a result.
Ask me how I know you weren't alive in the 1990s

>>106662311
i did and nothing he said was wrong. memory was very expensive in the 90's and earlier, so you usually only just had enough to run one or two large programs at a time, with little to none left for disc cache, so things did need to be loaded from disc as-needed (i.e. it was a lot more common to use the page file/swap. nowadays you can avoid it for little money if you want to, while then you just had to make-do and let background programs swap-out when not immediately in use)
also windows 95's minimum requirement was 4M... technically. i remember my box said "8MB or 4MB without networking". i would of course not recommend using windows 95 without at least 16M, however, like those are abysmally small minimums, which was typical of microsoft

nothing he said was wrong. memory was very expensive in the 2010's and earlier, so you usually only just had enough to run one or two large programs at a time, with little to none left for disc cache, so things did need to be loaded from disc as-needed (i.e. it was a lot more common to use the page file/swap. nowadays you can avoid it for little money if you want to, while then you just had to make-do and let background programs swap-out when not immediately in use)
>also windows 7's minimum requirement was 2GB... technically. i remember my box said "2GB or 1GB for 32-bit". i would of course not recommend using windows 7 without at least 16GB, however, like those are abysmally small minimums, which was typical of microsoft

>>106639683
>every other wayland compositor uses way less ram
>"noooo you dont understand you guys im actually way smarter see"

>>106663290
Every other wayland compositor uses 200+MB of RAM. Yet they tell you it's better than the "bloated" software it replaced that barely uses anything.

>>106663283
i'm not sure what you're making fun of here

>>106663283
>you can avoid it for little money if you want to
gotcha >>106647134

>>106639683
I like hyprland and I'm an old mf. He is right.. what sort of poor fag with doesn't have copious amounts of ram? 200M is nothing.

>>106664047
yeah, we don't need optimizations, we only need to buy moreram for our new electron pajeet aps

>>106663512
(you)

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>>106664929

>>106660468
pretty sure he's a minor

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>>106660468
>Is he a poo
Yeah, Poolish

I remember being able to run KDE 3 on a 450Mhz Pentium III with 64MB ram total, people just don't realize how much memory people have these days, and yet the functionality is mostly the same yet using exponentially more ram. Windows 95 could run on a 386 from the 1980s.

>>106639683
He's not wrong. If the memory is actualy unused, it will just be paged out to disk.
"Accessible as memory" does not mean "in RAM". If you actually believe that, I would like to introduce you to the mmap system call, which can map entire files into memory. Files the size of gigabytes. A lot of high performance software uses it because the OS is very good at deciding what to load into memory, when and what to preload and when and what to unload.

>>106663283
Kek

>>106665492
I need blur and animations please understand

There is no use case for tiling WMs in this day and age. Just use a full DE.

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>>106668076
Jesus.

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Amzazing bait

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>>106668076
>>106668177
> pic
> /r/guiltygear
> top 1% commenter

>>106645465
it only takes vram unless you dont free the buffer after uploading like some kind of monumental retard

>>106665536
The kernel will only start paging out memory to disk if it's under memory pressure, and at that point it will probably have to use some heuristics for figuring out what's actually "unused". This is why "unused memory is wasted memory" is such a stupid thing to say. It's like saying "It's okay if my house burns down because I have fire insurance"

>>106668197
Sounds like a GNOME dev, I'll bite

>>106653666
Done is better than perfect.

For me it's JWM.

>>106650286
Where does he expect that of him? He says he likes him despite his flaws.

>>106671026
keep your "done" private