After 30 years of free alternatives>We still don't know what audio system we should use>We still don't know what display server we should use>We still don't know what widget toolkit we should use>We still don't know what DE we should use>We still don't know how to fix most DE bugs>We still don't know what init system we should useAnd the funniest one>We still haven't figured out what's the best way to install software
>>106643455there are several ways of doing things, each with their own pros and cons>why didn't someone decide all the choices for me!!!!you want them to pick out your undies and socks for you too?
That's a good thing. You have the choice to customise your OS how you like it.
>>106643455linux desktop and multimedia software is not supposed to be for people to actually use and it's just a hobby project by a bunch of tinker trannies and autistic retards who think that spending their lives writing hobby software that no one cares about is somehow noble because of a philosophy that a fat foot fungus eating jewish pedophile came up with after getting salty and butthurt that he couldn't get the source code to the OS he was using and rather than learning how to disassemble and decompile software and patch the binaries he decided it was a great idea to just rewrite everything from scratch but he was too stupid to write a kernel that actually works so he decided to just use someone else's kernel called Linux but then people started calling the whole operating system Linux and then he got butthurt and said that they should credit him for the OS and call it the GUHNOO operating system but no one listens to him because he's a fat jewish pedophile who has cancer.
>WeYou.
>>106643543Normal and balanced take that should definitely be taken seriously
>>106643455>We still don't know what audio system we should usevirtually everyone uses kikewire now>We still don't know what display server we should useX11 until gayland gets good>We still don't know what widget toolkit we should usethere are others than gtk3?>We still don't know what DE we should usethere are others than xfce?>We still don't know how to fix most DE bugssounds like a krashDE issue>We still don't know what init system we should usealmost everyone uses söystemd nowadays, even if it's shit>We still haven't figured out what's the best way to install softwareyour distro's package manager perhaps? yes there are multiple, just like there are a few dozen ways to install package on wangblows or fagOS. not a loonix-exclusive thing
>>106643553yeah, most people believe that you shouldn't listen to fat jewish pedophiles. freetards on this board are the weird ones. using linux to store CP because they're scared of Apple scanning their computer for it.
>>106643579>pipewire le baaaadExplain why without mentioning who made it; only technical downsides and design flaws. (You can't)
>>106643733I said söystemd was bad, not pipewire. pipewire is good, that's why I use it
>>106643742>KIKEwire>umm, it's actually good and I sue it tooDo you have brain damage?
>>106643455The ones that come bundled and preconfigured with your distro>We still don't know what distro we should useWe absolutely do! You pick one based on the release lifecycle you want and go along with it
>>106643753Jews are superior to whites
>>106643753just because I gave something a silly name doesn't mean I dislike it and don't use it. sorry you're getting offended at a silly joke anon
>>106643455i just installed mint and everything works fine.
>>106643791so if you used and iphone and and I called you an iToddler, you'd think I love iphones and use them too? Weird hill to die on, but you do you.
>>106643922I wouldn't really care how you called me honestly. I have no issues with the fartix meme despite using artix for example. I have no issues being called a jeet because I use android even if I'm white. you get the idea
>>106643455>Wefuck off commie
>>106643929It's not offense. I too get called a tranny for using arch; that's just how the internet operates, nothing new. In the same vain, I would expect someone who calls me an arch tranny or linjeet etc etc, to be using arch linux.You called it kikewire, so I assumed you were one of those contrarian fanatics that hate on technology purely because of who made and maintains it.That's all there is to it.
>>106643455> Audio SystemPipewire> Display Server Wayland> Widget SystemIt doesn't matter. I use whatever is best supported in a programming language.> Desktop Environment It doesn't matter. I use hyprland.> Fix DE bugsDE are bloated garbage. Use modular systems instead.> Init SystemSystemD> Install softwareYour package managerWhy is this difficult? I get you're saying in general in all OS we don't have one choice. Good. We don't want one choice or it will inevitably get corrupted.
>>106643960nah, I just called it a silly name affectionately, you could say. I don't see why anyone would have on pipewire in particular since it's objectively a million times better than any of its alternatives. systemd on the other hand... that one wasn't affectionate, let's just say that
>>106643969>I don't see why anyone would have onhate on*
>>106643969The problem with systemd imo is the tooling. It's such a complicated mess. Whoever designed that CLI or TUI or whatever, should get design lessons. The logic itself to normalize init scripts is ok. Not a fan of binary logs but I get the point.
>>106643969Yeah, I agree; systemd was, and still is, a mistake. Thanks for entartaining conversation retarded nigger (affectionately); goodbye
>>106643455I exclusively use macbooks and I install google chrome via homebrew using the terminal I refuse to do the drag and drop humiliation ritual
>>106643992>The logic itself to normalize init scripts is okI would be fine with it too if all it did was init and service management, just like basically any other init system ever. but there's really no point having it do everything. why does an init system also does bootloader, run0, networking, and all that other shit?some of its individual parts are not even bad (systemd-boot is really good for example, especially when you compare it to its alternatives) but they don't need to be merged with the init system. what's next, merging pipewire into it also?>>106644012welcome anon, enjoy your fried chicken and watermelon too
>>106643485>That's a good thingNot where the sound system is concerned. For audio/music production Linux is a barely functioning mess that's just not worth the hassle and compromise.
>>106644030NTA but Bitwig/REAPER + PipeWire + Yabridge literally just work, but then again you're probably here just to start flame wars over irrelevant shit instead of engaging in a conversation on this supposed "technology" board.
>We still haven't figured out what's the best way to install softwarewe've been in the dark for long, but now it's clear that AppImage is the way. snap and flatpaks are state enemies actively working against AppImage linux userland wide adaptation
>>106643455>After 30 years of free alternatives............you're repeating the same thread
>>106643455>We still don't know what audio system we should usepipewire or jack>We still don't know what widget toolkit we should usegtk2 or 3>DEfor vot pvrpse?
>>106643579> X11 until gayland gets goodSo x11 forever? Gayland is doa.
>>106644974honestly fine by me if I have to use X11 forever. now that Xlibre exists it'll be updated instead of being left to rot like it used to
>>106644974retard take
>>106643455>>We still don't know what audio system we should usePipewire>>We still don't know what display server we should useWeyland>>We still don't know what widget toolkit we should useCutie (QT)>>We still don't know what DE we should useKDE Plasma>>We still don't know how to fix most DE bugsJust Werks™. Werks on my Machine™.>>We still don't know what init system we should useSystemD---SO HARD! Modern Linux has come a long way from 20 years ago, dude.>>We still haven't figured out what's the best way to install softwareThis one is valid, and it's because package manager squabbling instead of just going APT.BUT THAT SAID: Flatpack. Because again: Modern Linux has come a long way in 20 years.
I think there's only Pipewire town for audiobut if you're autistically particular about the extent of how you can use something, you will appreciate testing out different WMs/DEs/Compositors yourself
>>106645427>instead of just going APTFuck APT, it only recently started receiving features that have been in DNF/Zypper for years.
>>106643543any technical argument or just ad hominem?
>>106646019>noooo you cant just use a chad hominem argumentall i should need to tell you is that if his ideas were any good he wouldn't be spending time having (i quote) "nasal sex with plants" and talking about how pedophilia is ok if the children consent
>>106643455
>>106643455If windows supported alternate desktop environments would Linux desktop just die instantly
>>106643455Linux has gone backwards actually, things were pretty well figured out in the late 2000's
>>106643579> until gayland gets goodIts already feature complete, your obscure use case will never be supported.
>>106643455>picrelTry connecting to an internet you idiot
>>106646259take a deep breath man
>>106645427Apt is subpar compared to pacman and portage. I'd say nix too but that's a different beast, however, nix fixes all the problems that flatpak is trying to solve, but better.
its ogre
>>106643475>"there are several ways of doing things, each with their own pros and cons"This is what holds Linux back. There should be a globally accepted solution that just werks for 99,99% of normal people. Instead, there are countless different solutions to every problem, each catering to a different type of autistic faggot. Until this gets resolved, there will be no mass adoption. And since Linux community and FOSS community are both comprised entirely of autistic faggots and troons, this will never get resolved.
>>106643543TRVKE
>>106643455Those who actually use their computer understand that the left one is far superior
>>106643455i've used windows my whole life, but recently tried Linux and macOS. it's easier to learn how to use linux than to figure out how macOS works. i feel like i'd have to undergo a lobotomy to become stupid enough to use macOS intuitively. macOS is literally an operating system exclusively for the dumbest of the dumb.
>>106643579>"there are a few dozen ways to install package on wangblows or fagOS"Get a load of this lying unemployed hobbyist
>>106646290>"NOOOOOOOO! I NEED MY HECKIN TERMINAL!! I NEED TO FEEL LIKE A HAXXOR, WHEN INSTALLING A SOFTWARE! I'M GONNA COOOOMPILEEE!"
>>106643455>I'm peak normie
>>106646290
>same spam threads every dayDoes this place have no mods?
>>106648738gotem
>>106643455>Motorola 68k>PowerPC>Intel x86>ARMAfter 30 years, Apple still doesn't know what CPU architecture they should use
>>106643455OSX somehow has a worse file picker than linux.That should be an achievement of sorts.Also i won't even begin with the joke that is finder.Leaving Windows for OSX instead of linux is basically "eh, i don't like driving that manual car, instead i will toss myself into that meatgrinder".
>>106643455>We still don't know what audio system we should useThe one the user likes best>We still don't know what display server we should useThe one the user likes best>We still don't know what widget toolkit we should useThe one the user likes best>We still don't know what DE we should useThe one the user likes best>We still don't know how to fix most DE bugsThe one the user likes best>We still don't know what init system we should useThe one the user likes bestIt's a tragedy that non-Linux users will never feel what it's like to be free.Always reminds me of the last thing Delaney said to Brace in Taboo, after he said the Brace isn't coming with him to America:>There is freedom in America. It would torture you. You wouldn't know what to do with it.
>>106649024It's bizarre that the most popular OSes don't let you even customize the window appearance other than color.We're in 2025, we surely have the tech to do that, and even make it animated or even using custom shaders.
>30
>>106645010Using Xlibre right now ever since someone created an extra repository for it on debian. Surprised how well it dropped in and replaced X11 with no issues, but that probably because they just forked it.
>>106643753kike spotted
>>106649557you have to go back
>>106643579>there are others than xfce?Fuck you.
>>106648644that's why distros like mint and ubuntu exist.
>>106643455DILATE THIS
>>106643455it's been 30 years...
>>106648644"Mass adoption" = "making concessions to appeal to the lowest common denominator at the expense of power users and enthusiasts"MacOS already exists for people who want an OS that keeps them locked down in order to force a unified user experience across all systems.Linux is for people who want to experiment and have more control
>>106648644>There should be a globally accepted solution that just werks for 99,99% of normal peopleno, fuck normal people, i want alternatives, if that hurts somebodie's tummy i dont give a fuck. I want the possibility to install from the terminal because i'm not a bitch scared of typing one line to install a thing i need.
>>106648701sometimes some people need to complie themselves in order to have control over details, if you dont need that you can use an application store, fuck off, not al people should do the things the way you want, you idiot.
>>106648738well, if you dont want to install stuff like a literal autist you could use Ubutu or fedora, dont be a retard, pal.
>>106643455>audio systemPipewire>Display serverWayland>Widget toolkitQt>DEKDE Plasma>fix most DE bugsWhat bugs?>init systemsystemd>what's the best way to install softwareThe software center
>>106643455>Choices are bad.Do you really?
ITS OVER
whos we? you got a turd in ur pocket? huehuehuehue
>>106651209You must be 18 years of age to use 4chan.
Dilation status?
>>106651057>The software centeruse case?
>>106651421ok boomer
>>106643455>And the funniest one>>We still haven't figured out what's the best way to install softwareWhat went wrong?
>>106651898use case?
>>106643455>And the funniest one>>We still haven't figured out what's the best way to install softwareflatpak
>>106652253kringe
>>106643455>choice is... LE BAD!!!!kill yourself once again. herbs.
>>106652580>>choice is... LE BAD!!!!this but unironically
>>106643455OSS4X11GTK2window manager, FVWM is my choiceanything else than systemd, even sysvpackage ports BSD style
>We still don't know what audio system we should use>We still don't know what display server we should use>We still don't know what widget toolkit we should use>We still don't know what DE we should use>We still don't know how to fix most DE bugs>We still don't know what init system we should useWhatever comes with the latest Ubuntu LTS.>We still haven't figured out what's the best way to install softwaresudo apt install
