Thoughts on this technology?
>>106690577Usecase for non physical books?
>>106690577Just buy used. They last forever and they stopped coming up with reasons to upgrade around gen 3, which is pretty old now. They're always pulling gay shit with DRM in new versions.
>>106692739>Just buy used
reading books on those isn't as good as physical books
>>106690577too expensive
>>106690577Ereaders are great, I read a lot more now compared to when I was reading paper books.Kindles have Amazon crap on them, instead buy a Kobo and install KOReader on it.
The tech is fine but Amazon Kindle is too limited.
Got a Kobo Clara 2e, it’s better than Amazon and doesn’t have any gay ad bullshit.>le physical books I already collect vinyl so I’m not interested in having another hobby involving physical objects, so this is perfect.
>>106693245the cock marks help with the screen glare
love the kindle keyboard. no issues it just werks
Fuck kindle though. Buy kobo
They're good. Ignore kobocucks, they are mentally broken from spending 3-4x the price of a second hand Kindle on an inferior e-reader.
>>106690577KOBO LIBRA COLOUR SUCKS
>>106693439There are no kindle equivalent to the best ereaders (libra, h2o etc). Literally they don't sell equivalent products.Kobo also has way better Japanese support especially for Manga since it's a Japanese product. Koreader kindle doesn't do vertical text well.So on /g/ which are anime nerds, Kobo is just the superior product.
All color products suck dick. The technology isn't there yet. Even the most expensive color products are terrible.
>>106690577novelty like a calculator or digital watch
>>106690577Kindle + Anna = best thing humankind invented
>>106693501>Koreader kindle doesn't do vertical text well.Koreader in general doesn't do vertical text AT ALL.>libra, h2oOasis (2/3) are equivalent, Oasis (1) is superior. A flat screen is better than an inset one.>Japanese supportIn what way, menus or something? I've never had an issue with Kindle, and I've always had the system language set to Japanese.
I use a kobo b/w but my screen has been getting so scuffed because I just throw it in my bag everyday. I wish they had more durable screens but to be fair its lasted over a year so far and it was really cheap, are the more expensive readers a little more durable? perhaps i need a cover case or something
>>106693557No the screen technology means it's not durable. Should've bought a screen protector.
>>106693557Get a case with a flip cover for the screen. I got one for my Libra 2 from AliExpress.
>>106690577Amazon Kindle is increasingly trying to be a full DRM proprietary ecosystem device with ads, pick a eink reader that isn't trying to be an asspain.>>106693506They're ok if you ask me. You get a 4000color ish color palette and the refresh is working fine for text. Same reason many newspapers with definitely not high quality color print were still liked. Yes, you see most pictures and illustrations anyhow. Yes, it helps with various formatting. It's also used on scientific papers, websites and so on.
>>106693806The downsides of the color screens are way bigger than the upside of having half working basic colors. The insane reduction in brightness without backlights, the color particles bleeding in B&W text. The reduction in resolution of black on white text and the reduced durability of the screen. It just isn't worth it and it's a severe downgrade.There's a reason the out of production B&W products are getting more expensive on ebay now as everyone wants the superior reading experience.They should have waited 5 more years before switching to color screens for the technology to mature.
>>106693843>The reduction in resolution of black on white textYou're just lying at this point.
>>106693852No. There are "color pixels" and B&W pixels and they don't fully overlap meaning text looks worse on color screens.
>>106690577phonechads continue to dominate ereader morons. good luck playing with eink dipshit
>>106693909You are just making shit up. You don't understand how the technology works.Black content uses the full (300) ppi, there is no loss of resolution.
>>106693923yeah, have fun reading actual books one letter at the time on your shitty 1" screen
>>106693978Joke's on you I'm a phonefag I can't read
>>106693843>There's a reason the out of production B&W products are getting more expensive on ebay nowThat's literally just the Kobo Libra. Other manufacturers didn't phase out their b&w models.In 7" colors are pretty pointless but with 10" and 13" they're well worth the drawbacks. You can still leave the front light off if enough light comes through the windows.Rainbowing only happens with screen tones and similar patterns.>reduced durability of the screenThat's simply utter nonsense. It's just a thin film on top of the panel, it doesn't change the stability in any meaningful way.>They should have waited 5 more years before switching to color screens for the technology to mature.Kaleido 3 is mature. There's no real room for further improvements like there was with Kaleido 1/Plus or Triton. They can adjust the size of the color blotches but it's just a compromise between color saturation and screen darkness.
>>106693937I don't mean technical resolution. Yes on paper the resolution is the same. In actual person you see an effective decrease in resolution as the color particles overlap with the B&W particles which causes distortion that looks like a lower resolution.People don't care if the technical specs are technically the same resolution they care about how it actually looks. And it looks lower resolution.
>>106694019No it doesn't.Which color models have you actually worked with?There are no color particles in Kaleido and no black particles in Gallery.
>>106693994My local library has a public display with ereaders. All the color ones have broken color particles that don't work anymore while the B&W models are mostly fine. It's clear that the color particle layer is more flimsy for extended use.
>>106694032I got the Clara color as a gift but it sucks and is worse than the old Clara.
>>106694060I'm not going to believe that without an image.It's literally a film in the middle of the display stack. There's no way it can get damaged without significantly damaging the rest of the assembly.I've used a Kaleido 3 reader for over two years now and what you're describing not only doesn't line up with my experience, it flat out makes no sense at all.
>>106694077Obviously a 6" color reader is going to suck but not due to a lower resolution.I don't have first hand experience with the Kobo Colour models but I doubt they'd fuck the implementation up that badly.
>>106693267Recently installed KOreader, impressively fast but almost too many features/options. Still use the stock firmware also for the Pocket now Instapaper integration. And the stock firmware can be modded with e.g. nickelmenu to be more convenient.
>>106693301What even is the dif here?
>>106693557I used a flip cover for over a decade and never had a problem, but with my most recent kobo I just bought this 50 cent plastic envelope thing and it'd kept it scratch-free for years in my daybag. You wouldn't want a scratch-resistant eink screen (they exist) since that involves putting a layer of glass over the panel which reduces the quality a lot / makes it much less paper-like.
>>1066941721300 vs 1200. The screens are essentially the same, there's no real difference.
>>106694203So why do they have both these models with seemingly identical specs at the same price?
>>106690577I incrementally went my way from a old Kindle Keyboard to an Oasis.I can say I'm happy, though the battery is not as good when you use the frontlight.More than four hundreds book I've read on them. And only 3 legitly bought.That said, I have no doubt the competitors have decent alternatives by now.Get one with light temperature ctrxjrontrol, and physical buttons and you're good to go.
>>106694217They don't. The Clara 2E is discontinued.
>>106694217Because they're retarded, and the 1300 HD is a "refresh". I have heard the BW is slightly faster, but I think the 1200 screen is slightly better.Ultimately, the problem with Kobo is the same as its ever been, paying 140 bucks for a low end modern e-reader is fucking retarded when you can get a high end old Kindle for less than half the price. If you want buttons, the original Oasis is identical as far as I'm concerned, and much lighter. Ignore the later Oasis models, they're junk.https://youtu.be/26iD9lauEM0?t=237
>>106694269Did a little searching to answer to my own questions. Seems the 2E was a bit slower with a slightly worse screen but also had a noticeably nicer build quality.
>>106690577e-ink monitor cured my eyes from LED cancer.
>>106690577Why not your standard phone or tablet?
>>106690577cheapest one with biggest screen?
>>106693245delicious and juicy
>>106693994>That's literally just the Kobo Libra. Other manufacturers didn't phase out their b&w models.So what's a good alternative to Kobo Libra 2 that can be used fully offline? I want to get one, but paying $200+ for used is too much.
>>106694355Boox discontinued their Mira line so Dasung is probably your only option for 25".https://shop.dasung.com/The 32", 42" and other large displays aren't sold on the consumer market. You'd have to buy the raw panel and built your own.https://shopkits.eink.com/en/product/detail/42''MonochromeePaperDisplay(VB3300-RBA)
>>106694283Buying a locked down ad infested Kindle when Kobo exists is fucking retarded
>>106694457If you need 7", Oasis 2/3. If you want a superior e-reader, Oasis 1 (don't buy one without the case because most of the battery is in it).
>>106694457Boox Go 7 b&w Meebook M7Pocketbook Era
>>106694497Oasis has been discontinued as well. The Paperwhite is now the 7" model and the basic Kindle is occupying the role of the old Paperwhite.
>>106694486i meant price to performance ereader not a fat useless screen
>>106694496>locked downNot in any significant capacity. Honestly, I think Kobo retards just haven't actually owned a Kindle, and they think it's somehow impossible to use without seeing ads constantly or paying for your books. I guess the alternative is admitting you paid 2-3x more for an inferior e-reader.>>106694527Sure, but he's looking for used models. Obviously Kindle's new models are garbage, the Oasis was so good that they had to fuck it up with the 2nd gen. Screen tech hasn't advanced over the past decade, all that's new is color, and color is shit.
>>106694548>I guess the alternative is admitting you paid 2-3x more for an inferior e-reader.Prices look about the same.
>>106694548>Sure, but he's looking for used models.I was only looking at Kobo Libra 2 used because it's no longer being manufactured, but they are overpriced. That's why I asked the other guy which manufacturers didn't phase out their b&w models.
This is a dying industry. Gen z readers but physical books because they can use it as a background on tiktok. There is rampant enshitification going on in both hardware and software and newer models keep getting worse and worse. The ereader I own for 5 years now is worth 3x used than what I paid for it.Honestly everyone interested should just hoard the good devices before they are permanently gone.
>>106694579>Prices look about the same.All Kindles are about 50 bucks second hand due to more supply than demand. Maybe if you want the latest turd they're still more expensive, but as more wine aunts buy them and get bored of them, the prices come down to nothing.>>106694583Sorry, I misread. Still, if you're happy to buy second hand, there's no sensible reason to buy a Kobo, and if you want to buy brand new, you're still better off looking for NOS because the modern stuff is overpriced crap that doesn't improve on the older models in any way.
>>106694535Boox Go 10.3 has a 10" screen for under $400. Kindle Scribe if you can get it used or in a sale and can live with the limiting aspects.Boox Note Air 4C for the all around package with color etc for $500.Boox Note Max with a 13" 300ppi display for $600 is also a bargain compared to previous 13" 207ppi models.In 6" and 7" the cheapest you'll get are used Kindles. The new models have become so expensive it's hard to justify when you can get a display of more than double the size for less than double the price. 7.8"/8" in particular is almost dead as a segment.
>>106694548>Not in any significant capacity.The file limitations are an issue and requiring jail break to install extra software is a huge obstacle, especially with newer updates breaking the jailbreak.
>>106694626Maybe it's the case that Kobo's are more expensive in your market because they're rarer there?Kobo vs. Kindle popularity with normies depends a lot on market. Kobos popular in Canada, Europe, Japan. Kindles in the US and UK.
>>106694653>The file limitations are an issueCalibre can auto convert with no quality or formatting loss, it's a non-issue.>jailbreakYou could always look for listings that have a lower firmware if you care. I jailbroke mine, tried koreader once and found it completely worthless, and now it's still jailbroken but I do nothing with that functionality. If you're more of a tinkerer maybe you find it useful, in which case just wait a year or two without the Kindle connected to the internet, problem solved.>>106694670It could be a market thing, I'm just going off my experience looking for e-readers over the years. Kobos are consistently higher priced second hand.
>>106694688Calibre isn't always available and shouldn't be necessary.
Never tried on Kindle but it claims to work (also for Kobo). https://send.djazz.se/Can send epubs to yourself on the go.
>>106694699I'm sorry you frequently download books on your phone and move them over to your kobo, here in the first world we have this neat thing called "computers" so we don't have to worry about software being randomly "unavailable". Given you can load up a few hundred books at a time though, I feel like it's a non-issue.
>>106694748It's nice when long-term traveling without a laptop to be able to add books to your ereader.
>>106694503Pocketbook Era seems like what I was looking for. Thank you, anon.
>>106694748You've never visited a friend and they wanted to lend you a book but they only had an epub? Or do you always carry a portable version of Calibre with you?
>>106694758Can honestly say that's never hapened
>>106694758No, I've never had this issue. If someone recommends me a book I just download it myself, who the fuck is going "oh man you've gotta read this book let me airdrop you the epub!"?>>106694752This is more reasonable, but I don't typically go on holiday for more than a couple of weeks, and if I did I'd definitely take a laptop.
>>106694795>>106694780>>106694758Kindle people don't have friends.
>>106694819I went to my buddy's house with my Kobo and he offered me a free book, but when he tried to sync it, it was in the proprietary stinky azw format, so I got really mad at him and screeched "don't you know about DRM!??!?". I couldn't believe someone would be so stupid as to buy a book from Amazon, so I haven't talked to him since.
>>106694819?I don't have a kindle. Why do you think I do?
>>106694860Kobo supports azw.
>>106694497>Oasis 2/3. If you want a superior e-reader, Oasis 1Don't know where you got this distinction from or how to check for it as eBay just has Gens going up to 10
Actually one of my best purchases. Got a kindle 10 years ago and I've read hundreds of books for free. It did improve noticeably when I jailbroke it and installed koreader, wouldn't put up with the ads bullshit.
>>106694873It's the limp-wristed fag that insists e-readers should weigh 120g by cutting down the battery. He's talking about the 6" model, not the later 7" ones.Don't listen to him.
>>1066948731 was 7th gen I think, 2016 release, 6" screen. The later models fucked up the whole design and have a heavy aluminum shell.The 1st model was the closest an E-reader has ever come to being perfect. It's the only model I've found with an intelligent case design, the concept is simple, you want to keep the screen protected, but you don't want to keep the case on while you're reading, because it's just extra weight, so they made it magnetic and put half the battery in it.>>106694944They should. Why would you want a heavier device for reading, the lighter the better. Saving a third of the weight is a significant improvement.
>>106694960>the lighter the better.Why?
>>106694944You were right>>106694960Retard
You guys realize you can have calibre on your smartphone right? And sync with your kobo over wifi. Whenever I want to share something with a friend (only happened once to be fair) I boot up calibre on my phone and synced it to his ereader.Kobo has great stock OS, Kindle OS, especially the 2025 version is some Windows 11 tier atrocious.
>>106694880This is everyones' experience
>>106695009I don't have a smartphone.
>>106694980Comfort over a prolonged period. Why would you not want a lighter device?
>>106690577What's best used e-ink reader?I'm looking into ebay listings and all of these cost more than $50.
>>106695052Worse battery.
>>106690577Niche as shit.Gatkept to fuck.And absolutely overinflated in price just like laptops because only like... 3 companies make them. And one of said companies currently runs the fucking world.
>>106695069That's why the battery is in the case. The Libra 2 has a 1500mAh battery, the Oasis 1 has a combined battery life of 1535mAh, let's say charging is 80% efficient so call it 1200mAh. An insignificant loss of battery performance is well worth a 40% weight reduction (133g vs 215g).If your argument is straight performance without taking a bathroom break or getting some food, sure, you can only read for 6 hours straight on an Oasis before you need to put the cover back on, which takes the weight up to 240g for 20 minutes while the internal battery recharges.
>>106695076you're telling me those are wrong because it uses bubble? or actually shitty chink slop
>>106695128>If your argument is straight performance without taking a bathroom break or getting some food, sureThank you for confirming that I was correct.
>>106695181I would rather put the case back on for a short period than have a constantly heavy e-reader. But still, you should probably get something to eat every 6 hours, or at least take a piss.
>>106690577It's great, get a kobo instead though.
>>106695212Thank you for confirming I was correct.
>Bought an e-reader>Never use it>Keep buying physical booksDon't know why, thought I'd love having an e-reader, but I just don't like it.There's nothing particularly that I do dislike about it, but I just never find myself wanting to use it. Weird.
>>106693245that dude was huge
>>106694960It's 60g. Some women wear that much in rings and bracelets.
>>106695009https://calibre-ebook.com/download_android>calibre itself does not run on phones/tablets but you can connect to calibre running on your home computer, read books and manage your library in several ways.
>>106695305There is an app that runs on your phone it might not be calibre itself which I didn't know.
>>106695242If you care more about the perception of reading than actual reading then physical books are for you.Ereaders are perfect for commutes, travel and power users (I read 2 books a week I can't buy them all or bother having them with me)I also read 5 different types of works at the same time so that I can switch between them based on mood. Some lightweight reading, some nonfiction, some Manga, some horror and a fantasy epic. I'm not dragging 5 books with me. The kobo quick switch feature is amazing just 1 click to switch works on the fly.
>>106695375I work from home so I don't commute much, and I live close to a library. I also re-read books, so owning the physical ones is better for me.>I also read 5 different types of works at the same timeSame.
>>106695242When you want to read foreign books they're easier to get digitally and it's easier to look up words in a dictionary on the fly.
>>106695150[spoiler]It's wrong... On so many levels...[/spoiler]
>>106695375>I read 2 books a weekI doubt you retain much of them that way. Might as well scroll Cliff's Notes on your phone for all the difference it makes.
>>106695421reading that many books would be normal if you read a couple hours every day
>>106690897I like to read gay furry erotic literature and terribly written straight romance novels in public without people realizing that is what I am reading.In addition to that, I can just rent the digital copy of weird or less common books from the library, instead of seeing if there is a way to order it and have to wait for it to come in. Most recent Example is buckminster fullers Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth - there are no physical copies in circulation at my library, however they have it in digital format.
>>106694257God I miss my Oasis so much. That thing was the perfect ereader
>>106695441>gay furry erotic literatureWhere do you get those?
>>106695404Doesn't sound like a feature I'd use, but thanks.
should i buy this anons?
>>106693245Holy based
>>106695489Around. All jokes aside I paid for those on amazon. RarBG used to have a robust ebook selection, annas archive, etc etc
>>106694880Just leave wifi turned off on the stock firmware and the ads disappear after a few years. E-readers are one area where it absolutely does not pay to tinkertroon. Turn the wifi off and never update. Done.
>>106695958>after a few years.Yeah, you do that. I'll just buy a product without the ads and save myself the few years.
>>106695057>What's best used e-ink reader?The actual answer is:Kindle VoyageKobo Libra 2But good luck finding one cheap, people don't want to sell them as the new colour models are shit.
>>106695536Didn't libgen was wiped?
>>106696066Anna's archive is better than libgen and always has been. That said, there are working mirrors of libgen.
>>106696110Not him, but I don't like the search on Anna's Archive. I think I got better results with libgen.
>>106696115Use the filters, they are pretty good. The default search is worse than libgen for sure though.
>>106696050If you're dumb enough to buy one of the new kindles with ads, just link it to your amazon account and whine to the CS jeet until he removes them for you.The only reason you need wi-fi on a fucking e-reader is if you're retarded.
>>106693351I still have my gen3 kindle (it just works).But nowadays I have much more money than time, so I just buy a physical book and give it away when I finish. I am currently managing to read one book per month with my very short spare time, and I see no point in using a Kindle.Also, I feel like I finish way more books when I just have that physical book. When I was a teenager with a Kindle, I would download a shitload of books, start several and finish just a few.What are my ni/g/gas reading?I am finishing 1986 and waiting for my copy of The Brothers Karamazov.
>Same or similar screen size to the size of the average manga>B/W, no half-baked kaleido shit that makes even black and white content look awful>No walled garden>Page turn buttonsThere, I just designed the best ereader ever. Why can't manufacturers just get their heads out of their asses and make something that people actually want instead of putting a ton of useless gimmicks in a piece of tech that shouldn't be more complicated than literal paper?
>>106696473They exist, you just can't afford one.
>>106696050Just buy used and someone already did the waiting for you. Consooomers are truly subhuman.
>>106690577I think physical books are the best in terms of overall experience but this is pretty decent, especially if you have access to a lot of digital books. Practically as well it saves a lot of space. It's sort of a jack of all trades between like a laptop to read from and a physical book -- it's not as good as a book in feel and look, not as good as a laptop for scrubbing/search/word-lookup/computer-assisted-shit, but sort of decent to goodish in both departments. (I talk about laptops specifically simply because it's portable as compared to a desktop, but reading on desktop can be fine depending on you/the situation/needs.)Personally I dropped the kindle type stuff and just read on my Remarkable Paper Pro now. It's pretty nice and big, like my cock, and I can even write on it and take notes. I sort of just follow the wind on where I want to read something in the moment. So this tech is just a nice to have basically. It ain't perfect but I'll take it.
>>106696473You just described the libra 2
>>106696522e-readers are only good for reading easy fiction, just like books. If you're going to be taking notes like reading text-books or anything else that requires "computer-assisted-shit", then just use a computer. Trying to make them into everything devices is silly.
>>106696543Too small for manga unless you want to put it half an inch away from your face
>>106696552Yea I agree. Hence the jack of all trades thing at best. At least, for math/textbooks/etc I'd tend to have it open on my laptop and then do anything written with the RMP on the side. It's just I know some people who autistically insist on some kind of minimalism, so I can understand the whole everything device meme, but it's just not for me as it just wastes my time for an inferior experience.
>>1066966107" is the literally the same size as the average manga.
>>106693245'ick on 'dle
>>106696610Libra 2 was literally designed and marketed for Manga reading in Japan. They had special editions of shingeki no kyojin versions where the mangaka endorsed the ereader as the absolute definitive way to read his Manga.Why are people on /g/ so pretentious to pretend they know better than the actual japs drawing the mangas
>>106695349How is it possible that Calibre if over a fucking GB?? Mr. Kovid saar????
>>106696706If it was so good then how come it's discontinued?
>>106696473What do you consider the average manga size, B5, A4 or B6?
>>1066966327" is equivalent to A6. Meanwhile manga uses B5, A5 and B6. And that's considering a single page only and not double the amount you need for a proper experience.A 13" reader like the Note Max is your best bet. Use bluetooth page turners instead of constantly having to hold and touch the screen.
>>106696733Because they all wanted to up the prices to sell colour, the new shiny thing. Even though colour is worse for actually reading.
e-ink readers are cool, just don't buy a kindle.
Just get a cheap android tablet
>>106696706They made manga versions for various 6" Kindle, it's all just marketing.I'd rather trust a prolific author like Naoki Urasawa who insists that manga should be read on a tablet sized device with spread view.https://youtu.be/TYUy8nzCcaA?feature=shared&t=60
I used to have a Kobo H2O which was 7". Felt premium but perhaps a little big to always have on me. Current Clara 6" carry everywhere I go forget it's even there for weeks it's so small and light, but also use it less because it's got less "wow" factor.
>>106696946>it's got less "wow" factor.you sound like a fag
>>106696706>If I say this to the press I'll get lots of money for promoting a product! Why are /g/ anons such gullible consoomers?
>>106696946Get a Dasung Paperlike 253. That impresses the girls with its god-level refresh speed when you lug it around .
>>106693245AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>106693245We need emoji
>>106696706Do you have some links for that? I searched for 諫山創 kobo 宣伝 and 進撃の巨人 Kobo 版 and the best I can come up with is a link from Kodansha to https://books.rakuten.co.jp/rk/fc70640809823393a70502189390cd74/
