Why don't they just throw the towel and stop making GPUs?
whenever you see a large entity doing aomething that doesnt make sense to you *breath* you have to remember that they are privy to more information than you.
Even if their GPUs aren't suitable for hardcore gaming or AI, they're probably still profitable for things like built-in GPUs for laptops and mobile computers
rtx is snakeoil technology
>>106705295I have used AMD gpus for over 15 years, they work fine.
>(AMD) owns the cpu and gpu technology which allows them to shuffle their internal R&D tech around to complement each others.>(you) why didnt they just stop making gpu!!! they didnt benefit from this!!! nvidia is won!!!
>>106705295they still have poverty gamers buying rx 580s in some ungrounded shack in asia
because the ftc will swoop in and break up nvidia
>>106705295Why would they when the MI355X beats the B200? AMD currently has the better technology, thanks to vertical stacking. It doesn't scale as good because NVLink is better, but 1vs1 GPU, AMD wins. Expect this technology in the next consumer GPUs btw.
And let Nvidia monopoly and sell their cards 10 times the current price?
but their recent 16GB cards are a beacon of hope(*MSRP subject to change due to stock)
Their margins are great so why stop?
>>106705295Last Bastion of True Rasterization.>Open Source.>Drivers BUILT-INTO the Kernel OOB.I will support Advantage Editions. I will prop-up AMD. I will not be ashamed.
>>106705295I wouldn't really call shipping 500,000 GPUs a quarter compared to Nvidia shipping 10 million a quarter making GPUs. They are hardly even trying.
>>106705295because they make billions of dollars a year making GPUs in fact most of their growth even in DC was because of GPUs despite epyc being the better, more competitive product
>>106705295They make a ton of GPUs for consoles, handhelds, and laptops, might as well sell some graphics cards with the same software for near Nvidia prices. Basically free money.
Are you retarded? their integrated graphics, APUs on desktop and console sell 10x more than their dedicated units. They have no reason to stop that business just because you have gripes with the 8GB model you bought from them
>>106705295Their iGPUs are still good.
>>106705295At least there's SOME competition against Nvidia.
>>106705785>1vs1 GPUThat's not how the vast majority of data center GPUs are utilized. Another theoretical win for AMD.
>>106705295dont care my 9070 xt just werks and was a lot cheaper than 5070 ti or 5080.
>>106705295udna is releasing next year and nvidia drivers are utter shit, especially with UE5 games. why should they throw in the towel when they are on the precipice of winning? people thought the same with AMD's cpu division until the release of ryzen, you will see the same events play out with their gpu division.
>>106705576I got an rx580 for $80 on ebay in 2019 and it is still my gpu, and it is still around 80 on ebay, absolutely insane.
>>106706738Most game studios that utilize UE5 target console 30 or 60 FPS and stop performance optimizations afterwards.NVIDIA cards run fine on games that actually try to extract the most out of the hardware & driver.
>>106705295and forfeit console gpu/cpu sales?some thing are connected while not immediately visible...
>>106706354>open sourceis it really? is the ISA public? i thought that was only the case for intel gpus.
The fact is that 5% of the GPU market is still enough to make a lot of money. Why would they stop? One has to ask instead, why has the GPU market grown so large so quickly?
>>106705295>stop making GPU's>when they're currently doing better than nvidia and selling them for a fraction of the priceno thanks grandpa, it isn't 2015 anymore
>>106707288>doing better than nvidiaAMD fanboys writing fan fiction as usual.NVIDIA's gaming segment posted higher revenues than AMD's entire client and gaming business last quarter.That AMD client & gaming segment includes Ryzen, Threadripper, and "workstation AMD GPU" sales.
>>106707245Yes, software.>Intel GPUsDon't see that. That's not very Jewish.
>>106707454Don't care. Still buying all AMD.
>>106705576I saw them for 20-30 bucks, I might pick one up just because
>>106707454Yes, AMD products are more prestigious.
>>106707495>more prestigious.More prestigious for poor people.>>106707485Keep buying all AMD, it does encourage NVIDIA and Intel to come up with better products.
>>106707520>BetterProof?
>>106705754Not in 4 years they won't. And if they do, China will welcome them with open arms.Unlike America, China is built entirely on pragmatism, not ideology, so they will be happy to support a company that will win them the AI race outright.
>>106707572Radeon doesn't even have an answer to the 4090, let alone the 5090.
>>106707629>Pragmatismand look how far that got them lol. Lithography and R&D that's a joke.
>>106707668The US is in a low-grade Civil War and is primarily responsible for dickpic apps and China builds everything we own including our military hardware.Get fucked.
>>106707655Muh muh muh FPS! Like I said. AMD drivers are in the Kernel OOB. I do nothing and win.
>>106707696Just say you're a Linuxtroon to begin with.
>>106707690Proof?I think you're mistaking China for Taiwan A.K.A Republic of China (ROC). Where tanks don't run over civilians.
>>106707728You are a retard and continuing to interact with you would be a waste of everyone's time, except yours, I suppose.
>>106706707> Sales = Performance!You're being retarded on purpose aren't you? You want me to smack your head?
>>106707739Resorting to personal attacks now? Desperation AND you're still replying in this thread.
>>106707702Ah but you're using your 5090 for "Adult" things like GAYMING on Windows 10 right? Totally productive.
>>106705295AMD didn't stop being competitive in consumer GPUs for no reason, they stopped being competitive because they have a monopoly in onboard graphics for prebuilt machines like game consoles.They just don't fucking care about the consumer market. None of them do, it just so happens that NVIDIA is so far ahead in technology that developers want to develop for the pittances that NVIDIA puts out instead of "half the performance for half the price, which is still near a thousand dollars."
>>106707797The vast majority of productivity apps perform better with NVIDIA GPUs & CUDA.Don't pull the productivity larp when you're shitposting in 4Chan like everyone else.
>>106707853In what situations and contexts?Proof?
>>106707844AMD "stopped being competitive" which is just your opinion, because they guessed wrong what would be the future. They thought that high frequency lower cores would be a thing, but Nvidia decided to go more features, lower frequency, more cores, and that's the trend. That's the reason why AMD is going UDNA, because there's no reason to split anymore, might as well streamline the whole thing since users now want compute, ray tracing, scaling, etc. which will allow AMD to only care about one architecture and advanced features like vertical stacking.
>>106705854this, fanboys are fucking stupid. I hate NVIDIA and Intel products compared to AMD but I don't want them to cease to exist. (Intel shit is buggy af, NVIDIA is anti-competitive constantly and uses 800W to do anything). AMD is going to stop innovating and become the next NVIDIA if there is no competition.
>>106707853What does productivity even mean? Some AI generated images? CUDA is better supported for sure but 99% of people don't use any of that. That trend is shrinking though. Today cross platform alternatives are being included as well.
>>106705321>Even if their GPUs aren't suitable for [...] AIon the basis of what? some retarded silicon valley programmer who couldn't reverse a linked list to save their life?
>>106707905>That trend is shrinking thoughTime is money; companies would rather pay the NVIDIA premium to have CUDA compatibility for their workstation PCs.NVIDIA makes the fastest GPUs for content creation, computational science & modeling, & data analytics.
>>106707853>productivity apps>GPUis this bait or are you actually retarded?
>>106707948This nigger hasn't heard of apps like Autodesk CFD.
remember around 2016 when Lisa Suimpson herself re-committed to OpenSauce?imagine if AMD didn't
>>106707984A fluid dynamics simulator isn't a productivity app you fucking retard. Thanks for answering my question.
>>106708022Not a game = productivity app in context to >>106707797
>>106707984Autodesk CFD doesn't use your GPU for compute, it's CPU only retard. The only thing even close to that would be their XLB piece of shit, which isn't even a real product. BTW the difference between an 8 core CPU and a fucking GH200 (itself a whole other league from your consumer GPU) is an 8x speedup. You might have heard of CFD, but you clearly don't use it. Why go on the internet just to LARP and lie?
>>106705295no real competition. better than nvidia tel-aviv x and the chinese gpus still have a ways to go
>>106707940Companies don't do "productivity" though. That's a general vague term that Microsoft invented for office suits and today another vague term for things you do consumers do with applications. Companies do serious business, not "productivity".As for your comment, no. Currently the MI355X is the fastest GPU in most scenarios and that's why some companies rather use AMD. In science Nvidia sucks, AMD has much better FP64 performance than Nvidia. However there are caveats. If you're already invested in CUDA you will continue using CUDA and if you want a big efficient rack Nvidia currently scales better with GB200 up to 72 GPUs while AMD can only do up to 8.Pretty much you don't know what you're talking about and should stop pretending you do. Search more what companies are doing with GPUs and what are the strength of each.
>5700>6700>7700>9070What kind of retarded naming scheme is that?
>>106708689They got fed up with people being confused and copied Nvidia naming scheme. The funny part is that it worked.
>>106705295People said the same about bulldozer and then ryzen happened?also sony and nintendo and valve uses their shit
>>106708809Nintendo doesn't. Xbox, Sony and Steam do.
>>106705295Because Nvidia needs competition.
>>106708667>NVIDIA 70%, custom chips 28%, AMD 2%That's all you need to know about the state of their data center GPUs.
I'm generating a lot of AI porn with Nvidia's GPUs. Can't do that shit with AMD
>>106705295The PS5 uses AMD hardware. AMD's GPU division exists for that purpose, not for the PC market.
>>10670532>or AII have the ROCm version of TensorFlow set up and my 7600 XT does a good enough job
>>106708874Maybe Intel will do the needful and release the B770.
>>106708818Nintendo doesn't currently but console generations aren't that long in the grand scheme of things and they used it plenty in the past.
>>106708869If you're buying Nvidia shares or you're a gigantic fanboy, yes that's all you need to know. I'm betting you're a gigantic fanboy. This is not a fanboy zone though, you should go to redit. This is to discuss technology.
>>106705295Right when they're doing their best? Why?
>>106705295Because they're the best consumer-end GPU manufacturer? What else is there? The overpriced memeVidia? The non-existent Intelaviv?
>>106708965>This is to discuss technology.NVLink and CUDA is technology, you can't wave those away like an AMD fanboy. And reality reflects that.Not to mention those MI355X aren't getting past the evaluation stage of most companies.You can't make excuses for NVLink and CUDA when those potential customers are waiting for next gen MI400 GPUs.
AMD are utterly finished now that Intel have teamed up with Nvidia.
>>106709159You do realize that Intel has been collapsing for the past 5 years? This isn't a "team up" by any means, nVidia is trying to effectively own Intel.
>>106709173Cope and seethe harder
>>106709137Those are not related to anything you said before, you're just gigantic fanboy.
RDNA4 is nice (at MSRP). I'd rather support Intel though for a GPU. I'm getting into ROCm on linux, the Windows stuff still lags behind, less uptake on Windows too.Apparently the B60 is silently releasing now, so I'll probably snag one this winter if I can for LLMs and maybe some imagegen stuff.Optiscaler was nice on windows, but I noticed driver overhead in titles like FFXIV which kinda sucked, so a 9060 XT 16GB only performs slightly better than my 2070 super did in that title, but better in others.I really need to try it on Linux, if I can get XIV setup to work with my gamepad.
>>106705295>Why don't they just throw the towel and stop making GPUs?Because their GPU's are actually good albeit under appreciated. Meanwhile modern Nvidia makes over priced GPU's that catch fire and are a pain in the ass to make work both in Windows and Linux. Nvidia's only really got gAIy hype going for them.
>>106705295Everything can change overnight, you've witnessed companies destroying/diluting their products since the covid era.
>>106711383^This, >>106705295Remember when Yahoo was the hot shit? Sure they came around and corned some niches however they ain't what they used to be BUT maybe Google poisoning their own well will give them another shot... Their search engine, not their god offal email service, that shit ain't secure at all and all I use that for is shitposting throwaway accounts for the most part.
AMD should stop making GPUs so we can stay at 12gb vram for the next 20 years
>>106706399Nvidia has Cuda, it's sort of a given that they win regardless of how the cards compare power-wise
