>>106706047
it's not a bubble unless it pops

Xmas 2025 is going to be a fun time.

Tech and crypto bros are the one showering Trump in bribes and praise so he'll do whatever necessary to keep them happy and afloat. When the AI bubble bursts Uncle Sam will be sure everyone is bailed out at top-of-the-market values.

Manufacturers, retailers, agriculture, etc. don't have the cash or wherewithal to engage in this sort of courtly horse trading so they'll be sacrificed.

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it's called "eu cope"

90% of civilizations quit before they achieve AGI

>>106706123
We can't let such a valuable INDUStry go under can we? I know just where to get the bail from, you wait...

Nobody learned from the dotcom era. Just like the dotcom era, the tech is legit and has real uses but people turn into retards and can’t resist speculative investing because of fomo.

>>106706327
>Can't buy a single bed flat without going into debt for 30 years but the holy GDP is le up
Americans will never leave the cradle, not that they'll have a second chance

>>106706385
>flat
found the coping eutard

>>106706047
Russian oil and gas is the only thing keeping the german economy together.

>Corporations burn cash flows on data centers full of $30,000 Nvidia GPUs and 5-10 year construction projects
>Nvidia gets to be the chosen boy as long as they play ball with the US Govt and do things like bail out Intel
>US Govt burns taxpayer dollars on "investments in domestic industry"
>Sisterfucker County, Middle America burns taxpayer dollars on subsidizing "data center" construction projects where Meta and Amazon totally promise to create, like, 1000 jobs! (5 security guards and some H-1Bs)
>No reason to build data centers there other than the subsidies, cheap land power and water (none of which will continue to be cheap once the data centers use it all)
>Water supplies and electrical grid are being pushed to the limit
>Any corporate profits realized from these endeavors and immediately reinvested into CEO bonuses, stock buybacks, more GPU purchases, and more data centers
>And all for the alchemical fantasy of replacing all human labor to maximize shareholder value

>>106706799
>"investments in domestic industry"
Forgot to add, this translates to (data centers and Nvidia chip fab). Doesn't mean anything useful for the average person. In fact, things are going to get much more expensive near term. Go down this list and see, it's nothing but tech, automotive, medical, and electrical grid infrastructure (as utilities realize they are going to be overwhelmed)

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/08/trump-effect-a-running-list-of-new-u-s-investment-in-president-trumps-second-term/

>>106706047
China is the only thing that keeps the German economy afloat.

>>106706047
pls burst pls

>>106706327
>proud of goyslave economy

No shit, it's like the dollar and US debt are a Ponzi scheme

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>>106706047
>2008 US government bailout for corporations "too big to fail" due to repeat itself
But did they learn their lesson from last time, or will they repeat themselves????

IMHO Anything that's "too big to fail" is a liability. It is by definition a poison pill. Anything business that's grown TOO BIG for it's own good needs to be broken apart by the US government due to being a national security risk and they should do so BEFORE they crash and burn and take the economy with them. Instead these corporations manage to take the government hostage as if they were Dr. Evil or Lex Luther.

>>106707153
GDP/SP500 number has to go up. Any politician or economist who advocates against that would be destroyed - their opponents will call them failures and traitors, their corporate donations will dry up, they will be blamed for the suffering of the average person in a bad economy. The only way any number is allowed to go down is in a catastrophic failure which is "beyond anyone's control" thus avoiding blame. It's a game of hot potato.

We are entering into the era of global fiscal dominance. The government always wants to borrow as much as possible, for as cheap as possible, and keep the economy overheated with low interest rates. This can run counter to long term fiscal policy. But all "free" governments function on public perception and so they will always be incentivized to do what will help them win the next election and stay in power, even if that is disastrous long term. Only a dictator could make their people suffer for long term stability. When you are free and happy, corporations dictate policy to maximize their short term profits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_dominance

>>106707326
what are you, a communist? next thing you'll say is you want society to be governed through the popular will of its populace instead of the free market

>>106707349
Popular will = "I don't want to be poor"
"I don't want to be poor" = GDP number go up
GDP number go up = crony capitalism
Therefore,
Popular will = crony capitalism

It just makes sense. And if you disagree, we will bomb your capitol and install a new prime minister who does.

>>106706373
It's not fomo, the dotcom era just wasn't all that capital intensive.
AI is better at that, that's why it's lasting.

>>106706047
Because it fucking sucks.
It genuinely just goddamn stinks and its so aggrivating watching all the tech companies act like it has a fucking use outside of niche shit
it can't even fucking sum up messages properly

>>106708492
This
It is absolute dogshit and has made everything else worse
I absolutely resent being told by managers and executives to "find ways to be more productive with AI" when all they do is read emails all day

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The current AI bubble is actually worse than the railway and telecom bubbles. At least we ended up using those assets. For data centers, it's just buildings with racks of GPUs which depreciate in 5 years and if trillions of AI revenue don't show up, they'll become useless.

>>106708696
Gamers will have a field day

>>106708702
They unfortunately aren't real gpus and have been gimped to prevent that

>>106708696
Very much this. Most bubbles at least you end up with a lot of buildings or infrastructure or whatever. This is just literally setting money on fire. It's all the crazier since ope source AI is so comparative with proprietary that there's basically zero chance of proprietary AI ever turning a profit. Get out of dollars get out of the US stock market if you have any sense this is gonna get ugly.

>>106707153
Banking sector is too big to fail (banks can still fail). Tech sector, especially those that don't really support too many employed positions, will be allowed to fail.

>>106707153
It's going to be so much worse. We have AI companies embedding themselves in government: https://fortune.com/2025/09/25/elon-musk-sold-grok-trump-42-cents/

The DOGE cuts mean government is severely unstaffed and they're trying to outsource it to AI companies, so when the AI companies collapse... I don't even want to imagine things so I'll just go back to playing some video games.

>>106708779
They're aligned with Trump he won't let them fail. He'll ban all foreign and free AI and force the government to start paying 100 billion a year for Grok it whatever to keep the alliance going. They've got 2026 and 2028 to manipulate through social media.

>>106706373
>legit and has real uses
Aislop is not legit and has no real uses.

>>106709000
It was loss leading, ecascerbated with multiple competing companies, hoping to get AGI via brute-forcing, essentially.

Our culture of optimism, yes-men and FOMO allows this.
We cannot foster and value the realists/pessimists, if we do not allow poor decisions to fall flat on their face.

Get your money back, but pay the price somewhere else.
This is no threat, just logic.

>>106708794
>The DOGE cuts mean government is severely unstaffed

USAID was completely useless.

>>106706047
God I hope it bursts soon. These data centers are legit horrifying.

>>106710042
The entire government, anon. Also no.

>>106707349
Dude I wish it was a free market. Fuck this corporatist shit.

>>106706047
>Foreigners come to America and take advantage of American capital, laws, government, and the military to create their wealth. Do they hire Americans in return, build their wealth here, and support education for the workforce? No, instead they find ways to displace American workers and lower their wages. They seek out H1B visas and post microscopic ads just to claim they “tried” to hire locally.

What does Trump do? First, he proposes a $100k annual minimum for h1b workers, then backtracks to a onetime fee of $100k, which ends up costing companies only about $16k more over six years.

Trump also gives out residency cards if you invest $1 million. With $5 million, you aren’t taxed in America on wealth made elsewhere. Meanwhile, Americans pay taxes no matter where they go supporting the government, the enforcement of law, and the military that protects overseas trade.

pot calling the kettle black, the biggest bubble in the united states is their own (financial market)

>>106706327
why are you shilling for your billionaires?

>>106708837
Unironically, the truth leans right.

>>106710513
they're american

>>106710042
The purpose of USAID was to project soft power so America has dozens of allies with various strategic resources such as location for bases or minerals instead of everything by default going to China.
It wasn't the only cut, virtually (if not every) government agency was hit so workers are running on fumes and adding hallucinating AI will simply hasten the collapse.

>>106708742
>a lot of buildings or infrastructure or whatever
its good that the US has a housing bubble as well

But I would like an answer to that question.

What is the US economy right now? And how is it?

>>106711249
US economy is bifurcated between the real world and the "asset" world where values must rise regardless of productivity.
Outside of actual physical manufacturing and labor it's all funny money that says assets must increase in value even regardless of anything. Houses must increase in value 10% every year, stocks must increase in value, etc. Add on speculation like AI and that's the US economy in a nutshell.

>>106711249
Completely decoupled from reality. I don't think traditional bubbles are even possible at this point. Just endless consolidation until the country ends up like qatar or some shit.

>>106706327
>2018

>>106711420
>he fell for the fake economy
America has a genuinely god tier economy, the big problem is shit like housing drastically inflating the cost of living because of finance jew tricks. The AI bubble crashing won't affect anyone other than investors, just like how the dotcom bubble barely did shit.

>>106708696
Some crypto miners could buy them later.

>>106711249
Mostly services and IP.

>>106711464
The shit is ultimately fake because what do you think happens every time investors loose their ass?
All those "good" jobs people have, get cut. This is part of the reason the charade has gone on for so long.
People either instinctively know or are plainly aware that the only reason they have their quality of life with a low impact, high paying job is because corporations and investors are kept happy and this is a vocal sect of the population that also votes and wants polices to keep corps and investors happy.

The only way I can see the economy being "great" is if your someone or a company who provides services to the people who are paid very well but the ultimate source of that money is getting increasingly based on things that aren't "real"

>>106706327
>it's called "eu cope"
Grow up

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>>106711485
>>106711521
baseless horseshit parroted by retards who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

>>106711532
Your missing 2/3 of the GDP here

>>106711532
everything is way down because of tariffs

>>106711532
>pre-covid
>pre-liberation day
anon...

>>106711535
gdp includes consumption. literally every country on the planet has healthcare and finance as the biggest contributions to their gdp

>>106710042
incredible that one man's cult of personality so thoroughly cucked the right that they're literally cheerleading to be goycattle

>>106711555
And yet your afraid to post it
lmao

>>106711555
The US spends double the average on healthcare because of their hilariously corrupt system.

>>106711555
>gdp includes consumption
And what the fuck do you think drives that consumption?
Where does the money come from?
How much of that was printed in the last decade?

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>>106711587
you don't even know what gdp means and think that it's a synonym for production because you're a fucking retard

>>106711604
GDP literally means gross domestic product
How do you get product? from production.

What the fuck is the US actually producing that's real?
Sure as fuck isn't housing, sure as fuck isn't hardware. Most of the "growth" has been speculation on assets, AI and other horseshit all with money printing.

>>106711642
>ummm nu-uh that's not what the name says!
You are a fucking braindead faggot. The best argument for genetics is you being born.

>>106711642
Genetic Down Syndrome Patients

I love AI but I'm a coomer who would spend 15 hours a day fapping to JAV trying to fight my refractory period.
AI enables me to do the same but cum to words.

This is a legitimate use for AI as in between talking about philosophy and domestic terrorism it keeps other humans safe from me.
The issue is that puritans want to stop me cumming to words, and so do the people running it (despite knowing I'm the only long-term bubble that will likely never burst).
If and when the bubble bursts (it's too big to fail) it'll all be dumped into either local models or sold in packages for compute but the prices will jump way the fuck up without VC and governments funding the compute.

It's in the interests of the AI companies to allow uncensored access anyway, as it's lower and less stressful on compute. Less refusals are less swipes, better instruct is a better coom session. Leave the customer happy, satisfied and you can have a customer on an artificially high plan using low compute (similar to how cell/mobile phone services operate).

>>106708702
These cards don't even have outputs.

>>106711642
Real Economy of goods-services-commodities is what all of us even care about, anyway which post-1970s Financialization of the global economy and banking has disproportionally weakened and made irrelevant. The Financialization and financialized wealth instruments are all that the HNW ruling class 0001% (<--includes all the "tech" Broligarchs) care about at all: the Real Economy may as well not exist. Corporations today spend most of their profits shoveling back into stock buybacks to artificially boost their own valuations, that is how CEOs get bonuses none of the major manufacturing corporations even give flying fuck about their own brand hard products, it's all about inflating share valuations in the firm's portfolio. post-1970s Financialization of the global economy has separated product from value and exterminated any price discovery mechanism: it is only and exclusively about making money from money. That is is, all that even exists.
'Capitalism' ended forever, died and went to heaven in 2008. Done. Finished. Since 2008 all the top corporations, HNW entities, investment banks, sovereign governments are 100 percent dependent on endless QE debt note fiat currency bailouts and backstops from central banks, saddled as perma-debt on the backs of sovereign citizens through their own nations' treasuries.

>"The real money to be made in the world today is not by produing anything at all. It's simply by forms of speculating — basically making money from money. That's the most profitable, and by far and away the biggest form of economic activity that exists in the world today."

>>106706123
check most economists comments.
>economy and capitalists systems are dead.
>we are only thriving when bubbles form on the cadaver of economy.
>all those bubbles will burst sooner then later.
>sadly the cadaver will stop making bubbles at one point and capitalism will die either they ones who made it and it's descendants like it or not.
>history could teach us more but.... we have a blank of 200 years currently were no one knows what happened, probably it was when "they" destroyed the old system that just worked for over a milenia.

>>106706327
>"eu cope"
the funniest thing is that the eu, china, etc, is heavily invested in US tech stocks

>>106712017
>Corporations today spend most of their profits shoveling back into stock buybacks to artificially boost their own valuations
nothing wrong or "artificial" with this. it's like paying out a dividend

>>106706047
...for Israel!

>>106706327
Two economists walk down a road...

They keep walking and see a pile of dog poop. One economist says to the other: "I will pay you $1000 to eat it".

The second economist agrees to eat it, finds it disgusting, and says "I will pay you $1000 to eat it". The first economist agrees and eats it.

Upon reflection, the first economist says to the second: "We both just ate dog poop, and neither of us is better off for it."

The second says to the first - "Look on the bright side: we raised GDP by $2000.

>>106709038
you cant create artificial consciousness without understanding how consciousness itself works. people reject penrose because it shatters their delusions about "AI" aka souped up autocorrect chatbots. there is nothing intelligent about LLMs
>>106711556
eating shit to own the libs

>>106712971
>gripping modern retelling of a boomer newspaper comic for the 4channel audience
can't tell if this is worse or better than X screenshots

>IT'S A BUBBLE
same cope from nocoiners about bitcoin

>>106706327
They should really put china in its own band desu

>>106713014
I didn't bring it up to be funny

>>106708794
>The DOGE cuts mean government is severely unstaffed
Nooo not the thousands of HR Karenerinos!!!

>>106708492
It's regressing

>>106713041
Bitcoin doesn't create any value though. It's literally a bubble because it depends on what others think about it, not on what it actually produces.

>>106708475
My drug dealer brother-in-law with an IQ no higher than 90 went all in on Nvidia because of tech hype on Xitter. I don't want to even imagine how inflated the valuation of that company is.

>>106715777
Millions of normies with retirement plans, every month they just automatically buy an index of the whole market or the S&P500 or whatever. As the tech giant's share of that has grown and grown more and more retirement savings go automatically to inflating their value further. The political implications of tens of millions of people realizing what has been happening only after they lose half or more of their value... hold onto your butts.

p.s. If I think the whole market is in for a huge AI bubble shock is there any way to profit? Seems like it's down for everything, all you can do is protect wealth (e.g. get out of stocks and USD)

>>106710950
The shit we put up as “soft power” influence was a cultural poison that destroys ourselves from the inside and spreading that around the world only does even more damage to the world

>>106706047
how can i personally profit from the bubble bursting?

>>106717447
>p.s. If I think the whole market is in for a huge AI bubble shock is there any way to profit? Seems like it's down for everything, all you can do is protect wealth (e.g. get out of stocks and USD)
there is, but you would need to know the correct timing.

>>106706047
Yes. AI is the future. It will not pop. If anything, AI is current undervalued.

>>106708492
>>106708556
Wrong. AI is great and getting better every day. AI is the future. If AI is not enhancing you 10-1000x then you are the one who is wrong and retarded. Learn to prompt. Learn to innovate. Or get out of the way so the AI native generation has a chance to catapult themselves into the next era of humanity.

>>106710273
It is a Free Market. All of us are Free to Participate in the Market as We Wish. It is Your Fault if You Refuse to Engage in Fair Trades with the Existing Market Players. Start a Business, Build Your Own Society with Rules You Think are Better if You do Not Want to Play the Current Game. The Corporations you Hate Have Spent Time, Money, and Effort to Build this Great Nation on the Principles of Free Markets and Liberty. How Dare you Accuse Them of Standing in the Way of the Free Market Principles that are Fundamental to the Values of this Society? No one Owes You Anything. There is No Free Lunch. Start Business or Accept Wagework. There is No Room for Lazy Communists Like You who Think they are Entitled to Any of the Fruits of the Labor of Hard Working Business Leaders.

>>106706047
how would the AI bubble burst exactly?

>>106706600
>muh third world dirt
Kys zegro.

Please god
if you are there

explode the AI bubble

print another trillion and give it to altman stat

>>106715640
>it depends on what others think about it
That's literally what "value" is.
Try to sell gold during famine — food would have more value.

>>106718042
once the 100s of billions of gpus they have become paperweights and they need another 100s of billions of gpus to continue their chat bot development while still having made 0 dollars selling their product

>>106715640
it actually destroys value, its an absurdly inneficient form of bookeeping
modern economy is retarded

>>106706047
>communism fails
>capitalism fails
So what now?

>>106718385
no

>>106718440
Tech feudalism

>>106715640
bitcoin is a currency, not a commodity, and not a service.
you could make the exact same arguments about fiat currency like the US dollar.

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>ITT

>>106718605
of course. but bitcoin is a million times more wasteful yet not scalable

>>106718633
>wasteful
true. there are better implementations, though I'm not familiar with the specifics.
I suspect that the world will converge on a hyperledger operated by some governments.
>not scalable
it's scalable in the sense that you can trade increasingly smaller fractions of bitcoins.

>>106718619
fallout 4 was better

>>106718664
its been years, but i read a study on how both bitcoin and ethereum had really low global limits on how many transactions could be. like a very small fraction of what mastercard for example does
that is what i meant to be not scalable

>>106708794
Enjoy your mandatory AI generated frames.

>>106710042
It was used to fund all of our nefarious activities like kidnapping and enhanced interrogation. Now China will move in.

>>106708837
That’s why Elon is so pissed that Trump went all in with OpenAI

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>>106711532
>>106711604
use more recent data. finance, rental, real estate and professional and business services made up over 1/3rd of our economy. add in government and you're up to 45% of our GDP. manufacturing is 10%. we're a joke and we're bankrupt.

>>106706047
>>106706314
The American government has yet to spend any money on AI. Explain exactly how jews moving money from one bank account to another will destroy """"the economy""""
Jews deciding not to feed their golems because of their own schizophrenic delusion isn't "the economy" failing it's the failure of everyone who has made themselves dependent on schizophrenics sociopaths.

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Nvidia is a pressure release valve. They have blown up solely from their capacity to give the other corporations a way to burn $30,000 a pop on GPUs. (((Shareholders))) can't stand to see cash spent on anything but stock buybacks, unless it's the fleeting chance of being the one to discover how to turn lead into gold. Hell, whoever creates the Overmind wouldn't just be the owner of a lucrative patent, or the first to replace their entire laborforce - they would be the defacto kings of humanity! This isn't merely speculation for cash, it's speculation for power! This is the wildest fantasy of the (((Shareholder))). To become a technological demi-god.

That's why this bubble is so rabid and the billionaires are so blind to it, it's tapping into their deepest pathologies. It's beyond cash and what cash represents. It's about those who think they deserve to be more than human, and who will gladly sacrifice everything for their chance.

>>106708696
Reminder that if ~2000 you invested in every company that had .com in the name at the height of the bubble you would have by 2020 beaten the index funds by over 1000%

>>106708794
https://x.com/stillhazoddd/status/1971770284488511607?s=46
You cannot escape AI

>>106718859
I love salty AMD tears. I'm glad I bought nvidia shares every time they've shitposted nonsense since this site started. I love literally never having to work again (until the next bubble pop bambi)

>>106710517
Except in general.

>>106706047
>deutsche bank, the bastion of truth
lol
ai is a bubble that will pop (see ed zitron's opinions) but the deutsche bank telling it is hilarious

>>106718999
man, take that like even fuck deutsche bank is saying that is a fucking bubble, you are fucked and deep in shit
i also recomend ed, kinda way too long sometimes, but is fair, as its properly reasoned

>>106719192
it's a religion at this point so facts don't matter until reality starts to assert its nasty self.
then the market will recover and put a proper price tag on running the glorified statistical engines called AI
I for one, am rooting for another solution in the future that is not based on making so many calculations that it fries GPU/NPU