> The e-ID will remain optional. This is a strong promise from its supporters, who insisted on this point during the campaign, even though the word “optional” does not appear in the law. However, examples of the introduction of e-ID in other countries show that it is difficult to do without it – without having to go through tedious procedures.>The e-ID could well become the minimum standard, posing a problem for all those who refuse to use it or have major difficulties performing simple digital tasks. In Switzerland these people represent almost a third of the population.>The corollary is that dependence on our smartphones, which are already an essential part of our private and professional lives, will only increase. This development is certainly inevitable, but it will have to be accompanied by training measures to avoid widening the digital divide even further.>In 2021 Swiss voters rejected the e-ID by a resounding 64%. At the time, the fact that responsibility would be entrusted to private service providers and concerns about the protection of personal data led to the rejection of the project.>The government has now come back with a proposal that is entirely managed by the state and incorporates the principle of data minimisation: users will share only the information that is strictly necessary. In concrete terms, people will be able to prove that they are of age to buy wine, without disclosing their date of birth.>But the authorities have also opted for a cautious approach: the e-ID will be free and will serve only to prove identity, like a physical identity card. This contrasts with the systems in place in most other countries, where electronic identity often offers additional functionalities.No country will escape. It's over. Are (You) next?
I'm not in Switzerland so why would I care
>>106727479in Latvia the e-ID is a plastic card thing you sign the PDFs you email to the government or use to log in the tax authority any other govt. website and basically a second, smaller version of the passport. so i'm glad i don't have to go anywhere to deal with the most government paper bs.your date of birth since like the ~1991 is within your social security number, which is not confidential so who cares (you are allowed to change to a non-DOB one nowadays).what's the fuss about?
>>106727479Install Gentoo.
>>106727479We've had e-ID in my country for years, makes filing taxes, logging into government websites, signing documents alot easier.Don't know why people are so schizo about it, the government already has all of your info already, it's just an id card on your phone.
the amount of shilling how this is a good thing is stunning, also, voting and % approvals, lol
>>106727632oh wait, i didn't realize the swiss were talking about like putting an app on your phoneyeah fuck thatbesides it being a mandatory 24/7 tracking device nowadays, the normie phones and tablets are filled with absolute spyware AIDS from the google appstore and elsewhere, just like their windows laptops, i don't think it's a good place for digital credentials especially ones that related to citizenship and banking
>>106727824>the amount of shilling how this is a good thing is stunningHave yet to hear why it's a bad thing, except for it being a boomer filter.
>>106727479
>>106727874there is no arguing with a goy, you worship government and you want them to control every aspect of your lifekill yourself
it all came down to .5% insane and tragic
>>106727631>I'm not in Switzerland so why would I careAnd you better stay the fuck away saar.Us whites band together and understand the implications of this. Sadly I live in the kiked matriarchy of Sweden where we already have this shit.
>>106727796you don't need e-id for any of those
>>106727882You're right you should burn up your birth certificate and go join a tribe in the amazon forest
>>10672747950.4%, how convenient...chance of manipulation, 100%
>>106727904yes goyim take the vaccine
>>106727897This post smells very Indian.
>>106727882>skipping work and driving to a government office, leaning against a wall in a dingy corridor for 40 minutes until it's your turn>to open your passport and fill out 3 fields and a signature on some mandatory paperwork>FREEDUM>sending in a signed libreoffice PDF in the evening>SLAVERY
>>106727991>NOT MY HECKIN WORK LOL
>>106727991How about you not have to do that paperwork to begin with?
Reminder: the future will not be free. Technology will advance and its advancements will be utilized by Authority before anyone else, to much coping and seething by eleutheromaniacs who thought the Utopia would be realized.
>>106727999i'm a contractor>>106728017property ownership shit
>>106728051>ZOG SHOULD TRACK EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION IN MY LIFE SO I DO NOT WASTE 4 HOURS OF MY LIFE REEEE
>>106727479I don't understand the outrage. I think people in inferior countries (all of them) just can't fathom having a competent government. I'm in Canada, and there's no way I would ever support something like this here. Obviously, an online means of identification is necessary for certain things. Age verification as well. We have it here also, except you have to scan your face and two IDs and send it to some (((third party))) id service. If implemented correctly, an official solution would be vastly superior.
>>106728061This
>>106728061>>106728383>has a bank account
>>106728328Why do you need it in the first place? You can set up a government account and then just log into it and do all the required work. Logging in is a simple and well understood process, you do not need nsa spyware on your phone to log onto a website. It is the same with every other site or service.
>>106728406I also live in a zog country, bank account is mandatory here.
>>106727891not that it changed much, the way EU and CH are doing it, they just make you vote every 5 years, and it eventually passes by sheer brute force
>>106728419Gambling, buying weed or alcohol, adult content (of), financial services, hotel bookings, private healthcare, etc.
>>106727903How do you authenticate the transaction or document without those?In the UK people stole millions from the government by submitting tax return documents on behalf of random people without those people even being aware.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgnz3r2m7eo
>>106727479The gomes of Zurich have fucked all of us once again
>>106727631>>106727632>>106727796>>106727874You all deserve to get eaten alive by a Russian bear, you imbecile bastard morons, you were born to be beasts of burden and nothing more.
>>106728899switzerland is still a high trust society
>>106728328You are the worst, you truly deserve to see all your family being flayed and roasted alive in front of you, you imbecile animal.
>>106728939>2 hours later>have yet to see anyone say why its a bad thing, despite all the seethingi'm just gonna assume everyone against it are boomers, redditors or literal schizos
>>106727479Why do people want to be increasingly reliant on smartphones? Smartphones are literally the devil. They are designed to distract you from the things that truly matter and to track and monitor you. Smartphones enable mass surveillance by the government and other entities and harm the mental health of their users. I think we should do everything we can to become less reliant on these things.
>>106729229>Why do people want to be increasingly reliant on smartphones?They don't; it's just manufactured consent by way of convenience, which it why any system with voting from the uninformed masses is fake and gay.
>>106727479My country had e-IDs for years now. It doesn't change or do anything other than make your life easier.Complaining about this is the equivalent of complaining about ID cards in general, which is retarded.>>106727903You don't need it, but it makes it infinitely more convenient. Getting documents, submitting documents, filing taxes, etc. is instant. Compared to the only alternative being physically going to your nearby government office relevant to what you're trying to do (which might be 10-45 minutes away), waiting in a line for another 5-45 minutes, and only then giving/picking up pieces of paper only to waste another 10-45 minutes of your life going back home. And some types of paperwork take more than a day to get handled or passed to you, meanwhile using an eID and the official government website instantly generates a signed pdf file you need.
>>106729229Because normies refused to use computers until tim apple made them addicted to TicTac. Now we will have all the digital services with none of the digital freedoms desktop OSes provided in the past. And people literally pay for a device that allows the government to at the very least track their movement through cellphone towers every second of their lives.
>>106727479Shithole country.
>>106729320My theory is that it's a cultural difference thing, americans have more trust in companies than their government, can't blame them after everything that's been exposed. If I lived there or in the UK I'd also assume my e-id app comes with spyware.
>>106729320This. Convenience trumps everything. If you don't trust your government or private companies, you're literally retarded.
>>106729446Don't get me wrong, I don't trust my government at all. They're all, provably, a bunch of corrupt morons. But an eID is nothing but a point of convenience for both citizens and government workers.The only bad thing that can happen is their database getting hacked, which doesn't really do much considering almost all the data on citizens is public anyway unless a citizen goes out of their way to hide some info. And you can't really do much with it. From what I hear, getting someones SSN/citizen ID in America can lead to a lot of abuse, including financial harm. Meanwhile here someone could literally make a photocopy of your whole ID and they can't really do anything harmful with it. Mainly because any life-altering place, like a bank, will use the electronic chip (eID) in your ID card.
>>106729543If you don't trust your government then you should move the fuck out of your country.
>>106728913I am in zürich and voted no. But fuck genève.
>>106727479And we're supposed to believe this all just convienently happened around the entire developed world simultainously while being disconnected from each other? The exact moment "AI" became functional enough to do good enough surveillance?
>>106727479>promise from its supporters, who insisted on this point during the campaign, even though the word “optional” does not appear in the lawSo you can lie about what's in a petition?
>>106729672>genèvei voted no :(
>>106729736>i voted no :(Let's just hope it will be actually optinal and not "optinal"
>>106729649This. Just buy a house in a good country if your country sucks. Simple as.
>>106729874Correct. And if you don't have any money saved up, you're a slave anyway and you don't have any right to complain.
Help me understand. How is the e-id stored and accessed? Will there be a web interface, or will this require being an itoddler or a droiddrone?
At this point there is no more arguing with people who support this.Everyone who knowingly supports this or anything else that enables mass surveillance needs to have a brick thrown at them.
>>106729998Economially speaking i'm a leftist but when social democratic / modern liberal governments pass this kind of shit legislation it makes me lean more libertarian just out of spite. Even the marxist-leninist vietnam government is doing this shit. The left has a serious problem with digital surveillance
>>106729961>itoddler or a droiddrone100% this and it will use Play Integrity to force a Google account
>>106729961In my country you get it through the bank. It's an app on your phone, but you can download it on your computer as well since you seem to have a weird hatred against phones for some reason.
>>106729681>The exact moment "AI" became functional enough to do good enough surveillance?nigger please.
>>106730065On the contrary I do not hate phones but I think that it is necessary for phones to run a full-featured desktop OS with no google / apple login or pozzed "security" features
>>106729961>require being an itoddler or a droiddrone?Yes, unfortunately. But at least it's decentralized and open-souce (souce is on github). There will be no server storing the data. All data is stored on the phone and it's doing some crypto thing via a QR-code if autentification is needed.But I the problem of having to have such a phone remains.
so glad i don't live in europe you people are fucking crazy your fascist governments are bribing you with universal healthcare
>>106730011This isn't even about being libertarian, it's about not wanting the entire world to turn into a insane dystopia.Is it really too much to want to live in a White country that doesn't screw over the people with capitalism or being authoritarian?
>>106727891i hecking love democracy
>>106730107i couldn't give a flying fuck about race and nothing anyone ever says will get me to care. authoritarianism, especially advanced technological forms, on the other hand, are extremely concerning.
>>106730066Not exactly general purpose or real time innit?
>>106730113you don't understandhomogeneous society > less crime and high trustmulticultural society > more crime, low trust, therefore providing an excuse for government to be more authoritarian to mitigate the these issues.also it's much more difficult to have socialism in a multicultural society, look at america for example FDR established all kinds of welfare but this was slowly taken away because blacks were getting it too and people were upset that their money was going to it.
>>106730162yes i am familiar with all the talking points anon
>>106727479>>106727824And this is supposed to be bad for me because of what?You have to do KYC for banks, brokers, exchanges and many other platforms anyways.With an eID you at least don't have to send your photos and IDs to multiple third party KYC services which may leak them like Coinbase did (causing robberies, phising, identity theft and spam).
>>106727632Kill yourself
>>106730178average civil liberties haterso glad i'm not a europoor
>>106730194Switzerland GDP per capita is higher than USo poor GDPAlso check USD/CHF on the monthly chart
>>106730178It's bad because it enables mass surveillance.Also fuck all ID cards, it's all crapKYC must be abolished there is no real freedom until you can buy anything that is up for sale no questions asked.
>>106730239Kys obsessed euro rat
Anyone who needs to surveil the population at large just doesn't have your best intentions at heart
>>106730171Good to know we're in agreement.
>>106730260the whole surveillance/big data/algorithm/three letter agency/palantir system must be dismantled if we are to have a good future.
>>106730278i never said that kek
>>106730081>But at least it's decentralized and open-souce (souce is on github).nta but damn I wish it was like that in my shithole instead of the centralized internet authority and the (((third party))) mobile options, one of which works with faceid and the other with your fingerprint.Well at least I can still still use the centralized authority one on the pc along with 2FA for which you can still get the QR code to add to your password manager but I bet soon they'll force us to fucking use an app like the third party options.
>>106728017third world mindset
>>106728506he wasn't asking what it's for, he's asking why it can't the implementation be something simple like a web oauth token or passkey
>>106728506fuck needing an ID to do any of that.
>>106730507No, bureaucracy just sucks, doesn't matter if it's paperwork or digital.This is why it should be done away with.
>>106728939k
Not that they care but under GDPR they can't legally force me to use google and apple no?UK just announced mandatory digital ID.Whole EU already had to have it ready (optional for now but online ID like UK OSA coming next year) by this year, these are not breaking news.
>>106727479why does 0.4 of a person decide what 49.6 have to get? thats not fair, or right.
>>106727479thats why they let the india population boom happen. so they could flood the internet and then people would recoil in disgust and beg for more totalitarianism
>>106727479>The e-ID will remain optional. This is a strong promise from its supporters, who insisted on this point during the campaign, even though the word “optional” does not appear in the law.so it's notpeople are so fucking stupid man
Yeah the crabby anons ITT would have been mad at the census, visas, passports, social security, or driver licencing if you were alive when they were first being implemented. The reality is data systems are invaluable for advancing the scale and organization of society. More data systems = bigger and more complex networks = more efficient governance, commerce, etc. It's objectively a good thing and you wouldn't be alive without it.
>>106731379>under GDPR they can't legally force me to use google and apple no?lol
>>106727479what's an e-ID?
>>106727632it's some weird ass conspiracy theory going on that chip on a card and national pki is recepie for coming of fourth reich. in reality they are just jelly that we do our taxes in 1m49s mins (took time last time) and get on with my life. at least here in ee.but if it's an app, then I feel for chbros.alus bars saldejums veikals centrs iela
>>106733352>they are just jelly that we do our taxes in 1m49s minsimplying I pay taxes to pedojews. LMAO
>>106727479>Vote "no">Have to vote every year "no" until finally "yes" wins by 0.0001%Bros... This democracy thing...
>>106727796Belgium?>>106727479Not surprised after they end banking secrecy and threatening to ban end to end encryption. But most European countries has this kind of neuroticism. If not for COVID, using a face mask would be a misdemeanor to attempt concealing faces etc.>>106730254That is what they want. Extend KYC on every transaction without effort. Also to tie it with CBDC so the state may has the power to monitor transactions. The whole EU is trying to block US big tech from accessing the new financial data sharing system and in the long term, their goal is to rely much less on Visa/MasterCard.
>>106729961>>106731379An e-ID can just be an NFC chip in your current government ID. Logging into government services would require you to either:>scan your ID card with a cheap card reader>have a registered mobile application>use your bank applicationYou don't NEED a mobile application unless your government somehow fucks the whole thing up and implements eIDs in a worse way than my collapsing 3rd world country.>>106733321A cryptographically signed digital implementation of your current government ID, which will let you do more government-related stuff online, using your web browser or phone.>>106733359If you ever need to get any government distributed paperwork, for example when applying for a job, it condenses a whole day or two of running around your town, waiting in lines and collecting paperwork into just a couple of minutes of downloading PDFs.
>>106727877yes, the goverment can fuck off to where it came from
>>106733383>applying for a jobLMAO
>>106733383why americunts and others take bride in wasting time on unavoidable gov bureaucracy? sure, don't pay taxes, I don't care and fuck universal healthcare and free education, sure sure, I'm still with you here, americunts, but how long is it actually possible to avoid any kind of paperworks? unless you are redneck or hillbilly living in remote area and fucking your sisters and her kids.
>>106733352>chip on a cardthats fine, it's that in most countries they FORCE* you to download an app to your phone to do certain things and they FORCE you to make a Google or Apple account because they dont make an app that works on GrapheneOS or Linux or even Windows/macOS.*alternative: make an in person appt in 3 months and 2 hours away
>>106730507>third world mindset1991 Professional managerial class mindset
>>106727632It's a slow boil, so that you frogs don't jump out of the pot, retard.The (((government))) isn't stupid and isn't going balls deep all at once.They have the this shit here in Japan about 10 years ago, but it's slowly going beyond that.First it was just to request basic certificates and records, 99% just a simple residence record.Then, they start requiring it for filling taxes.Last year, they started mandating people to use for health insurance.This year, they already started replacing driver's license with it.God only knows what they'll do next.>what's the problem?Right now, not many, with the biggest problem being that if the system goes down or bugs out, it's useless. Plenty of documented instances of that happening already.The real issues that being a hypercentrilized system is a massive risk. If the wrong person somehow fucks with your ID, you're fucked. And by wrong person, I'm not talking about a 400 pound 4chan 1337 hacker. I'm also talking about the government itself.Centralized digital IDs make it incredibly easy for authoritarian governments to fuck up their citizens lives and Covid-19 has shown that the West can be as bad and even worst than China or Russia in that respect if it wants to.You're trading your freedom for convenience, but alas, that's what the West has being doing for the past 80 years.
>>106727874>Have yet to hear why it's a bad thing, except for it being a boomer filter.But that's a good thing
>>106727479Democracy is fucking stupid. 49.6% of people must do what 50.4% want. Without actually wanting e-ID.In anarcho-capitalism, democracy is abolished because of such unfairness.
>>106730110Then it will comfort you to know that the Swizz can start a binding plebiscite to dismantle e-ID if they so choose.
>>106727632>(you are allowed to change to a non-DOB one nowadays).you can /just/ change your social security number in your country? that's cool. basically all of america's got leaked in a hack some years ago, but it's basically impossible to get yours changed here.
>>106733469It gets better when you work for the government and the government app you need depends on an Android version higher than your phone supports and the government won't let you use a different phone.Or the simple fact that using an Android/iPhone at all violates the government's own data security law.
>>106733366In most democracies they don't even bother with that. Did any political party run on mass immigration? No, people voted against it every time they had the option and the politicians simply did it anyways.
>>106727479>50.4%demoncracy moment
>>106727796>it's just an id card on your phone.>allowing the government to run and execute code on your phoneanon...
>>106727479I'm from the french part and voted against it. We don't deserve to be part of the federation honestly.
>>106733570does Japan require a smartphone app for it?
>>106733570>You're trading your freedomWhat exactly are you losing? Come on, explain it or fuck off.>request basic certificates and records>for filling taxes>health insurance>replacing driver's license with itSo, what exactly is wrong with any of this? You need an ID for all of this. There's zero difference between a physical and an eID for all of the scenarios you're describing. The only difference is you having to be there in person to do any of this, compared to eID which lets you do all of this shit on your computer.And, again, your government already has ALL data related to all of this. That's why when you come in person with your ID, they can verify all of it. An eID is just a way for the citizen to interface with this data remotely.You're complaining about literally nothing.
>>106735085There's no arguing with schizos.>There's zero difference between a physical and an eID for all of the scenarios you're describingThey'll say the e-id app is literal spyware, see >>106734801Then you'll bring up the fact that apps are sandboxed.Then they'll bring up pegasus or >trusting jewgle.
>>106735315Even if the apps weren't sandboxed, you could always use a separate $50 phone just for the ID app.
>>106727479>have the closest thing to direct democracy so people actually get to vote on the globohomo anarcho-tyranny bullshit laws (((politicians))) try to get passed>sheeple actually vote for itwcyd shit's fucked
>>106727631First they came for the Swiss. Second they came for the Moldovans. Finally they came for the Croatians.
>>106735692cool I'm none of those
Larry Dog just bought tiktok, the biggest data mining operation on earth. This is our future:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUNVHsfNm1c
>>106735085>eID which lets you do all of this shit on your computer.you mean on an Apple iPhone and certified Google Android device (in other words: the government makes it mandatory to create an account with Google/Apple and share your phone number and location data with them)
>>106737576i don't know about e-ID, but I remember my canton's tax software had linux support (i think it was ubuntu LTS and maybe another distro). Now I just use the web version, which I am guessing guarantees chrome supportHope they don't fuck us this time
>>106733570Nta, but it’s probably going to turn into the “beast system” the antichrist will use, anon.Revelation 13:16-1716 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.——It will happen, I assure you. Though as to when, I’m not too sure; though this certainly would APPEAR to be either a precursor or foreshadowing of what’s coming.
>>106735085>>for filling taxes>>health insurance>So, what exactly is wrong with any of this? You need an ID for all of this.In Switzerland, I never needed an ID for any of this.
>>106737576i use this thing and a card reader
>>106739480https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/eparakstitajs3
>>106735085I shouldn't need an ID at all. I don't want any birth or death certificates, I don't want to be part of a census, I don't need any records except maybe some family photos. I don't want income taxes, I don't want health insurance or any kind of insurance at all. I don't want a license to drive nor do I want to give an ID to get on a Greyhound or ride Amtrak or fly or drink or smoke or look at porn or throw some dice. I don't want a bank account; cold hard cash only. I don't want a portable phone or even a home telephone. If you want to reach me, write a letter or talk to me in person or use god damned email.The world functioned pretty fucking well before all this retard bureaucracy shit. The only reason to keep track of everyone like this is to brand them like cattle.>but anon what about stopping immigration or terrorists or covid spreading or [insert controversy of the year]No. Our governments and the corporations (one and the same, zero difference) are the ones spending tax dollars to import immigrants then spending tax dollars to send them back (or pretending to). Our governments are spending tax dollars pulling off fake terrorist acts to justify spending more tax dollars preventing them. Our governments spent tax dollars tracking quarantines and vaccinations for a fake disease then spent tax dollars contracting with pharamceuticals to sell a fake vaccine.I don't want any of it. I'm not buying into your system.
>>106739501I agree with you in principle, but it seems like a very USA worldview. Keep in mind that the rest of the wold is diffrent and this thread was about the swiss e-id
Having stuff set in place like showing id for alcohol, tobacco and even firearms I think is good. but just like anything- the government tends to always overstep.For example I think especially “Gib id to look at naked women” is pretty wild.Like I understand why, but I don’t think we should safety lock the internet because of children. If you don’t want your kids looking up porn- maybe don’t give them a phone?Just like how YouTube censors EVERYTHING. If someone wants to say something you don’t agree with, then that’s their free will as a human.
>>106727479>hacks just don't happen so its totally fine to give away your information to some shitty tech surveillance tech has been a total disaster for humanity
>>106737576You're delusional if you think any country other than America would do this. And we all know America doesn't care about changing their government procedures and tech stack at all.>>106739435>you don't need an ID to get health insuranceI seriously doubt this.>>106739501>The only reason to keep track of everyone like this is to brand them like cattle.Anonymity just leads to a system without accountability. If there was no way to identify me, I'd just steal, kill, rape and pillage. People aren't following the law because they're nice, people are not committing crimes as often because they can be identified and punished.
>>106739909>If there was no way to identify me, I'd just steal, kill, rape and pillagepost nose and skin color; I just need to check something real quick
>>106739909america is going to be the last country mandating a smartphone
>>106735315you just can't prove us wrong
>>106727479women's suffrage has always been and will always be a society ending mistake
I swear to god, this board is filled with 10 year olds.I am Swiss. The whole thing about the E-ID is open source, you retards.https://swiyu-admin-ch.github.io/https://github.com/swiyu-admin-chThe IDs are literally created in batch sizes of 25. If you use the ID more than 25 times, you will get 25 new IDs.
>>106740424Forogt to add: Let's say somebody wants to prove you're over 18. If you use the E-ID, the verifier WON'T know your birth date, only that you're over 18. Go RTFM.
>>106728430where
>>106730041>say something jewgle doesn't like>get b&>now you're stateless
>>106740424>Swiss gov needs free Github hosting for their website, can't even afford a domainSad
>>106739909>You're delusional if you think any country other than America would do this.https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technical-specification/issues/18
>>106734172That's perfect actually. Means you literally can kick back and earn money while doing nothing but pointing the finger at two other parties to sort shit out, so you can actually do your job.I guess at that point, your actual job would be gaming these two against each other for as long as possible - so you can stretch out the period of can't-do-my-job-and-here's-why for as long as humanly possible to maximize the free money.(The real question is how many civil servants actually pull this type of shit for real. Plenty - I'd wager.)
>https://strawpoll.com/QrgewErkQyptant que les chocolats, les montres et les banques sont op, osef de ton pays de con
>>106739909>>you don't need an ID to get health insurance>I seriously doubt this.In switzerland you need a name, insurance number and an address. And you need to pay, obviously. But no ID.I switch my insurence every two years and never had to submit an ID. Or do you usually use a fake name so it's invalide when you need it?Also, thats not what the swiss eID is about. It's not a signature. Insurance is a contract you signe not an identity you have. The e-ID in not a e-signature!
>>106727479Tech illiterates should not be allowed to vote on tech related stuff.
e-id is good.
>>106741067and how do you get your insurance number, who provides that?
>>106727479>No country will escape. It's over. Are (You) next?eID is used to fill your taxes and shitits not the british fukken loicense to shitpost
>>106728899In Switzerland we already have that fed services account, it's unrelated to ID. It just works like any know your customer, you once in your life prove you have a valid ID.
>>106741119>and how do you get your insurance number, who provides thatThe state at birth and it's constant. Exept if there is a good reason to get it changed.
>>106741126>once in your life prove you have a valid ID.I never had to do this in zürich. For taxes i get a one-time login code in the mail (letter not e-mail).
>>106727479Im so tired of you retarded niggers afraid of your own shadow.The government is not a folklore creature that has to follow some made up arbitrary set of rules for you to game. If they wanted to mass surveil you, they'd just fucking do it instead of "boiling frog" you with completely unrelated shit. In the end, you're afraid of the government because you're too fucking stupid to understand it.
wtf is up with the influx of normgroids on this board? >>106741326JAAAAAYFUCKING DO SOMETHING
>>106741326Maybe true in your shothole country.
>>106741372>shothole*shithole
>>106741260>The state at birth and it's constant.That's literally an ID number, dumbass.
>>106733022Yes because its all bullshit>>106733383I don't have a chip in my ID and I don't need their "services" they can keep it. Lie harder, its always proprietary google mobile surveillance shit, all EU countries had to throw it together for the deadline which was early this year or late last year I think and its exactly that. Phone+email+app+scanid+scanface=fuckoff>>106733371Always pay cash, no exceptions.>>106733570Are they gonna ban the internet in Japan too to "protect the children" ? I haven't heard anything from there yet, idk where to change my account regions and VPN to long term to avoid this shit.>>106735315Okay I'll distrust it less when I can sandbox it on my terms, so on an airgapped bsd virtual machine on a live USB thats unplugged for 99% of its life.
>>106735359>always on mic/cam/sensors/google>>106739665US is objectively slightly less retarded and the rest of the world has a lot to learn from it>>106739909Nice projection, I hope you're locked up then, I wouldn't wanna run into you, you're everything wrong with society>>106740424What if I just don't want to be forced to use any technology made by the government ?
>>106727479>0.4 people decide what 49.6 have to dothats insanity.
>>106727479This would never pass in the USA because certain people would say shit like poor people can't afford electronic devices or are too stupid to figure out how to use eIDs
>>106742414in the US this would be done by the private sector
>>106742400at least 50.4% of people got heard.still better than one faggot who just dictates shitor the decision paralysis of systems that are based on consensusthats how poland cucked itself out of the title of european superpower during the period of the "swedish deluge"
>>106742428And it wouldn't matter whatsoever when IDs aren't even required to vote in many states.
>>106742454>implying corpos and politiwhores arent walking hand in handusa is a land made by the corpos for the corpos
>>106742454unless they are in a handful of swing states do votes really matter in the US?
why are kikes so obsessed with micromanaging and dominating us?
>>106742721schizophrenia, paranoia, narcissism, sociopathyit's a hell of a cocktail
>>106727479>Switzerland is an actual democracy where the people, and not just multimillionaire "representatives", have real political power>they still vote for this retarded shitSwissanons, explain
>>106742755i think its because any sane, sovereign country would not accept to serve the interests of another, also sovereign countryand without teh support of the west, pissraem would turn into a 3rd world shitholeand kikes would get eaten alive by the arapsgiven that we live in democratic systems, power comes from the mandate of the peopleif the people withdraw said mandate, then those in power can get fuckedneither the politiwhore nor the kikes want thatso they micromanage and shiet
>>106742768its shit you use to fill your tax form online you absolute dweebits not the uk fukken loicensewe have eid in my cunt since years now (belgioom)in fact, despite the left malding about it, i dont think the britshit is gonna get rolled out in the rest of jewrope (except france. but france is revolting too, now so the people in power are actively shitting their pants)
>>106742721because of the 6 trillion
Telecom firm Swisscom, 51% owned by the Swiss federation, spend money on the yes campaign. And there was "NGO" money involved too. Maybe some voters didn't participate because the parliament, the government and the highest court violate the constitution and the laws all the time anyway. Government and law are evil, non working technologies. >>106742852In the canton of Basel for the year 2023 there were paper tax forms, an online tax form and a program from the government for Win/Mac/Linux.For 2024 there are only the paper form and the online form left, and you now need a digital ID for the online form, but not the one the referendum was about.No one needs digital IDs for anything.
>>106741283What? Are you sure you don't need a phone? I'm still stuck filing mine using the desktop app in a VM where they make you embarrass yourself by making the barcode page valid only if it's handed over together with a heavy stack of paper that no one reads. When I try to log in to the web app, it demands a phone number.
>>106741613>That's literally an ID number, dumbass.Yes, it's a number. Not an app, not a card, not a pice of paper. Just a number.Read the title of the thread, dipshit.
>>106743768I just did the tax declaration a week ago on the web in zürich and did not need a "smart"phone. I think i got a SMS code for login. So you need a phone, but no app. Also, for the past 5 o 6 years it's 100% paperless.
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>>106727479>e-ID mandatory>phone screentime laws in effect to prevent........somethingSo how will this work exactly?
>>106727631You should have asked yourself that question before you cared enough to announce how you care.
>>106727479>>The government has now come back with a proposal that is entirely managed by the state and incorporates the principle of data minimisation: users will share only the information that is strictly necessary. In concrete terms, people will be able to prove that they are of age to buy wine, without disclosing their date of birth.This isn't bad. It can be made even better if my e-ID is just a number given by the government that is linked in airgapped servers with only one packet type being sent between connection points. That being a valid or invalid flag. Basically a digital SSN that functions for the purposes of the e-ID central server in the country.
>>106743977What do you think an ID is?
Why are people fine with handing over all their data to corporations but freak out at having digital ID?
>>106728022eleuther- isn't gonna become a popular prefix man. you've been trying for over a year now and it hasn't taken off.
>>106743332>For 2024 there are only the paper form and the online form left, and you now need a digital ID for the online form, but not the one the referendum was about.ah-hah.i stand corrected then
>>106735640>he thinks the vote result is legitimate
>>106744748>phone screentime lawsI'll be a criminal then :) I'll never use a (((smartphone)))
>>106727479>Switzerland gets e-ID wrong in 2021.>Citizens votes no>Switzerland gets e-ID right-ish in 2025.>Citizens vote yes>OP thinks it's a bad thing somehow.Guess direct democracy is le bad now...
>>106727796>is retarded enough to get programmed be trannies into thinking reddit invented paragraphs >defends government attacking pricacy>calls everyone a schizo ironic
>>106745246>nooo, youre supposed to elect people who will make the choices in your stead all the while you have fuck all to say about that!>thats not how democracy works, ur supposed to be ROOOOOLED!!!!
>>106745246>we'll repeat the same referendum over and over again until you vote correctly, goy!
>>106730162you're a redditor.you don't understand anything.you're also brown and probably slanted.
>>106741949>>106741959>>106742435>>106742784>>106742852you have to go back.>>106742721jews want everything. literally.they screech every day that Americans aren't doing enough, lol.
>>106745688>/pols/ mental retardation, defending their biggest psyopa dictatorial system is a one point of failure one.if the dictator goes bad, everyone's fucked.thats what fucked monarchy.and the kikes are doing everything in their power to suppress democracy. but no, democracy bad. lets just stop voting that will surely improve things
>>106745731how did democracy work out for romania and moldova? oh wait, the (((EU))) disregarded their votes and put puppets in power instead.kill yourself kike
>>106745929>oh wait, the (((EU))) disregarded their votes and put puppets in power instead.idk about that but that sounds like kikes bypassing democracyif the system was bad they wouldnt need to circumvent ityou're mental retardation is why i dont post on that shithole anymore
>>106745944>like kikes bypassing democracyyou're so close to getting it...
>>106745953get off your high horse mental retardyou have no brains. you have no argument. you will never be anything else than an useful idiot
>>106745969massive decentralization and people being left alone is THE only solution.
>>106746122and then you get fucked by a nation that federated>cant understand monkey toegether stronkamerican ethos handicapped your brainas designed. it exists to create a weak nation
>>106727479>In 2021 Swiss voters rejected the e-ID by a resounding 64%>The government has now come back with a proposal
>>106746140>don't you dare to live your life to the fullest you can>you MUST participate in (((our))) charade!kill yourself kike :)
>>106746253>more mental retardationi meanif you call getting robbed bc a group of people federated and you didnt- living life to the fullestbe my guestim sure you have memes about violence being the source of all authority somewhereunless youre a newfag tourist who bought into all of the psyopsthen youre a faggot and you should lurk more
>>106746293>gets so angry he can't even form coherent sentences anymorebye kike :)
>>106746377>crafting narrativeshi eglin
>>106745246The yes campaign cheated. https://nitter.poast.org/shellenberger/status/1972353824229921122>"The NGO called Digital Society Switzerland accepted 750'000 CHF from the Mercator foundation in 2023, and since then they are in favour of digital ID. So, Mercator bascially corrupted Digital Society Switzerland."Mercator, founded by Germans, bribed an NGO in Switzerland. Foreigners should not be allowed to directly or indirectly influence the people. Indirect influence is especially reprehensible.Another problem is that the government (the "state") doesn't care about referenda. Important example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Swiss_immigration_initiative>The number of residence permits for foreigners in Switzerland shall be limited by annual maximums and quotas.>The annual maximums and quotas for employed foreigners shall be set according to the overall economic interests of Switzerland with priority for Swiss nationals; The people changed the constitutions in a referendum, but more than a decade later there are no maximums and quotas and there is no priority for Swiss citizens. When the government violates the constitution, people are probably less motivated to vote.
>>106746434people are too passivebut things are changing. just look at bri'in. look at the us.this is fertile grounds for systemic reform
>>106746434content yourself that it was only money and a relatively minor issue we wanted changedwe didn't bring down your whole government like we did in Austria
>>106746434>but more than a decade later there are no maximums and quotasBut I've always been told it's impossible to even get a Swiss citizenship.
>>106746465>just look at bri'in. look at the us.nothing is happening
>>106746882Citizenship is hard, permanent residency is relatively easy
Democracy is just code word for jewish communism.
>>106747131<you call that nothing?>>106747287eglin AFB doesnt let go of the steak i seeur lame and gay
>>106747393>eglin AFB doesnt let go of the steak i see>ur lame and gaywhat?
>>106747410>you know how we beat communism? by becoming communismyeahlet go of it, eglinthis steak is mine and youre not getting it back
>>106727479don't have phone, don't exist, no one bother you.
>>106749277the taxman is gonna find you even if you live in a caveeven god doesnt fuck with the irs or its equivalent for one's country
>>106749331they won't find me, i don't have phone
>>106749331Taxmen in Europe are a lot less bloodthirsty than ones in America. Pretty sure 25%-35% of transactions in my country are unreported.
>>106749390Damn. I might move there.
>>106727479BET the app will be using Google Play Integrity for attestation.Imagine your countries literal fucking ID was dependent on a foreign tech company.Nice democracy, lmaoooo
>>106749390>>106749432same heremaybe america isnt that bad after all
>50.4%Idk but changing laws should be at least a super majority of 60% in order to defend from shit like this
>>106745929It worked perfectly fine for both, you'd know if you could bother to look it up.Moldova in particular is way better than it has ever been.
>>106729320>You don't need it, but it makes it infinitely more convenientWow, just like the vax-passport, amirite?
>>106750584false equivalency
>>106749484They said they make a google free version of it and it's open-source. The qestion is if google will still allow installing apks.This was the only reason why I voted no, btw.
>>106751049>The qestion is if google will still allow installing apks.First of all, no shit they will. You will be able to install unverified apks if>your phone doesn't have GMS and Play Protect>you disable GMS and/or Play Protect on your phone before installing the apkAnd second of all, the app will almost certainly be verified. So even if you have GMS/PlayProtect you'll be able to install it from outside Play Store.And, btw, if your Android phone is "Google free" then you won't have Play Protect blocking unverified apk signatures. Which means you can "sideload" anything you want. Unverified apps are only blocked on devices which actually have Play Protect, GMS and probably GPI too.
>digital ID? LE BAD>Corporate digitized identity verifiers that rely on dubious data collected about you and a certificate of live birth? LE BASEDThis whole debate is fucking stupid. You're a serf to the government, not to some random corpo bullshit with your notary publics and bank medallion stamps or whatever other insane bullshit amerisharts do. Why the fuck shouldn't the government issue a proper, much more reliable, secure and less retarded form of ID? Do you enjoy some retard presenting some random paperwork to some other idiot and finding out your home title was stolen from you and have multiple loans against it or other forms of credit open in your name? Like wtf is with /g/ and /pol/troons? Do not (You) me if you don't have technical arguments.
>>106751147Relax. This board/site is mainly used by edgy kids who think staying off the grid is cool and anarchy rules.
>>106727632This, we have it in Estonia too and it's so nice cause it cuts out so much bureaucracy and dealing with the government in person out of your life (in fact, the only time you have to deal with the government in person here is to renew your ID every 5 years and that takes about an hour). But it sounds like the Swiss people are getting the ultra cucked version.
>>106751147kill yourself shlomo, I'm not buying a smartphone or installing a government "app" like some fucking golem
>>106751147i don't need an apple/google account to prove my identity
