Are you using the COSMIC beta? What are you thinking about it?
>>106735661>Are you using the COSMIC beta?Nope
>>106735661>BetaNoBut I like the concept. I'll give it a go on official release
>>106735661it already puts gnome to shame, though that's not saying much.
>>106735766This. I would rather use the COSMIC Beta than the latest GNOME release.
>>106735661The last thing the Linux world needs is yet another desktop environment that will just be riddled with bugs and abandoned after 5 years because nobody uses it. Just look at Budgie, Mate, LXDE, Unity and all the other pointless attempts that died.Right now we already have 4 major DEs to meet every main use case:>GNOME, sleek design, easy to use>KDE, full featured environment with plenty of customisation, suitable for power users>XFCE, lightweight, good for old devices or boomers stuck in their ways>Cinnamon, good for people who want a Windows-like environmentFor everyone else there are standalone window managers.What niche is Cosmic going to fill? Why would I use it over, say, KDE?
>>106735850>>GNOME: Barebones garbage made by lunatics>>KDE: *krashes*>>XFCE: Stuck in the 2000s in a bad way>>Cinnamon: Riddled with bugs and forever dependent on GNOMECOSMIC fills the "niche" of being the true Linux DE.
>>106735661>Are you using the COSMIC beta? What are you thinking about it?I have tested it in KVM, cosmic is just more gnome, not to my interest.
>>106735885>the true Linux DE>RustPick one.
>>106735885Genuinely what causes this behaviour? Why do you have to take everything to extremes, the DE you like is perfect and every DE you don't like is worthless garbage? It's like some form of autism or something.
>>106736070I legitimately left Linux for years because I didn't like any of those DEs. I kept a KDE system I would play around sometimes, but nothing more than that.Now I'm back on Linux _because_ of COSMIC.
>>106736101are you a femoid? kys. also i'm 100% sure most of the DE could be made to look like COsmic does with customisation
>>106736070liberal-nerdism>>106736101You are incredibly insufferable and no platform should have people like you on it.>>106736115>are you a femoid?Are you horny again?
>>106736115Are you a retard who thinks moving panels around makes one DE the same as the other?>oh look if you move this bar on XFCE to the left..... it's literally the same as Unity!!!!!A DE is more than that.>>106736136>You are incredibly insufferableNo, you.
>>106736070linux tribalism is very real and quite insufferable.
>>106735661Used it for a day, still too buggy for me. The whole look of it also still throws me off, it just looks bad.
>>106736237>The whole look of it also still throws me off, it just looks bad.definitely, I have seen better looking stuff in beta versions. I wouldn't call cosmic even beta but alpha or so. shit's looking ass
>>106736182I disliked those DEs before COSMIC was even in pre-alpha. That's why I went back to Windows.So no, it's not "Linux tribalism".
>>106736378>I disliked those DEs before COSMIC was even in pre-alpha. That's why I went back to Windows.>So no, it's not "Linux tribalism".If you didn't like the Linux experience, why do you think cosmic will resolve your issues?
>>106735661COSMIC is going to kill GNOME and GTK. It's the best thing since KDE. Rumor in silicon valley is SteamOS is going to adopt COSMIC.
>>106736101If every single DE is such a big problem to you that it genuinely caused you to leave Linux, then the problem is you. Generally I've found that the less technically competent someone is, the more they insist on using a specific piece of software and are resistant to anything different.Right now I use the i3 window manager because it suits my needs best. But if you forced me to use GNOME or KDE or XFCE, I would spend a few hours customising them and then I'd happily use them. Also note that your only criticism of KDE is an outdated meme. Apparently it's so bad that it made you stop using Linux, but you can't even give a single valid criticism of it?
>>106736574in 4 years maybe
I used it for about an hour, don't like how I can't autohide the dock and panel. Also I want to move the app launcher to the center of the screen.
>>106736574you faggots have been saying this shit since GNOME 3, stop giving us hope with ur shitty DEs that "will totally kill GNOME... if only they [did thing GNOME does]". The only thing that can kill GNOME is GNOME itself and when it does all the GNOME devs will inject themselves in all the other projects.
>>106736624>if you're not a tinker tranny the problem is youOk sis.>>106736436I didn't like the DEs. COSMIC is made by a company that actually makes money from desktop end users, and it shows.Not to say it's all perfect, but my complaints are planned to be solved on Epoch 2.
>>106737222A tinker tranny is someone who constantly tinkers with their system instead of doing actual work. Someone who spends a few hours setting up their environment and then leaves it that way for months is not a tinkerer.Yes, the Linux community genuinely is better off without people like you. You're the sort of person who's only using Linux by accident, eventually you'll go on to buy a Macbook and then you'll be one of those annoying faggots who goes on about how Mac OS is so much better than Linux.
>>106737296"Setting up your environment" won't fix those DE's problems.Only a tinker tranny thinks that positioning panels in different places and changing a color scheme is all an environment is. That they are actually "creating" something of value.
>>106737403And yet you can't give a single valid criticism of KDE, and your only criticism of XFCE is that it looks outdated - the exact thing that can be fixed by tinkering.Just fuck off and buy a Macbook already and leave us all alone.
>>106737484KDE>tinkering shit all over the ui>can't add simple things like a button to open the workspace view or the snapping view, though>default apps look ugly in ways a theme can't fix>one of the worst workspace implementations on the market on par with windows 11>connected your laptop to an external monitor and closed it? to sleep you go>wait, you changed the settings to make it not sleep when the lid is closed? that only works while you're logged in lmao XFCE>outdated UI/UX in ways a fucking theme can't fix>super+number to select windows on the taskbar? lol lmao>needed a separate compositor on X11 to have less tearing>widgets too barebones for a modern DEGNOME>same things everybody else will tell you about itCinnamon>riddled with bugs its small team can't handle>weird menu and ugly panel no matter the theme (apps are ok, I guess?)>always late for supporting new things like flatpaks or dark modeI overall don't trust corporate projects from companies that don't make money from end users or community projects that do whatever their unpaid volunteers want anymore. For me its either Pop+COSMIC or SteamOS+gamescope (KDE is only for setting up non-Steam games).
>>106735661>Are you using the COSMIC beta?No, I am waiting for it's stable release but I have been following the project for a long time. I hope it is successful.
>>106735661I'm trying to use it here and there but it's still really fucking bad, not gonna lie.
>>106735661I really hope it succeeds. As a beta, it's noticeably rough around the edges in some places but it's got a lot of potential.
>>106735661>What are you thinking about it?it is the poor man GNOME.
>>106735735Official doesn't mean Stable.
>>106739180Pretty much what it feels like right now. Gonna take a few more years to polish shit.
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>>106739559>>106739866ever seen these two in the same room? really makes u think.
>>106739559>>106739866do you think they ever... you know?
imo, it's respectable that a system integrator and manufacturer is also making a linux distribution.
>>106735661>Are you using the COSMIC beta?Yes >What are you thinking about it?I really like it, but it clearly needs more work. No crashes or memory leaks and the thing works very smooth. It kind of feels barebones at the moment: not many settings are exposed, COSMIC apps and applets are basic as fuck, context menus are not good, font rendering is hit and miss. But I really like how it manages windows. I'm a big fan of how the windows management works on it tho. Stacking + dynamic tiling + floating, all of which can be switch on the fly and per workspace basis is very nice. If not this, probably wouldn't use it and would stick to FootDE.
>>106741800...shove the mmstick in the ebussy?
>>106741941>not many settings are exposedI thought it was going big on settings and user customizability, is this not the case?
>>106735661No RDP no thanks. I went to LTSC because remote desktop is some sort of over complicated foreign concept to freetards. Also I have two 4k 27in monitors that are pure chaos in every DE.
>>106744440huh? but it has remote desktop or am I missing something here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop
>>106744455Gnome has a half baked implementation that requires a log in first and an extension to RDP again if your computer locks. I was however referring to COSMIC having no RDP and third party remote clients like Rust Desk don't work. My best guess is this is all Wayland related. I hate Microsoft and would love nothing more than to be done with their bullshit.
>>106744549>I was however referring to COSMIC having no RDPI see, thought you meant GNOME because the gnomed gif
>>106744097it is the case. you can already customize the de itself from the gui more than gnome allows. it's just basic stuff that you take for granted in other des is missing as of now. for example, you can't change the volume settings on a per app basis at the moment, instead, there's only a global slider for this; or change/adjust color profiles of a monitor; or how osd is missing feedback for many actions; etc. there's a lot of this type of basic stuff that is missing all over the place atm.
>>106744709That's what pavucontrol is for.
>>106735949i know you're a retard, irrespective of your baiting or "humorous" intentions, or lack thereof. but Rust has Tier 1 linux support for i686, x86_64, and AARCH64. as in not a single test from the compiler, core, alloc, and std crates is allowed to fail, ever.Other lang and stdlib implementations don't even have an analogous to this Tier 1 support.Almost all rust team members daily drive linux too.
>>106736574to add to what >>106736658 wrote, iced and libcosmic are not even close to the maturity of the glib+gtk ecosystem. and more importantly, they don't even try to cover the same wide scope.a mature rust gui story may (or rather should) emerge at some point, but we are not at a stage yet where we even know how the picture would look like.>t. guy who looks at rust code from time to time and makes the odd contribution
>>106735661>rustNo thanks, I can already tell it's written by a faggot and has an insufferable community.
>>106735661It uses iced.rs so i like it and the concept for the panels is really coolthink of all the stuff we could do with itit has real potential to combine some of the best aspects of plasma and gnome without all the technical debt
>>106735850Yeah, that's why Linux will never substitute windows for the average user.
>>106735661The beta is out? I didn't see anything in their blog section about it which was how I was keeping track of the Alpha.
>>106744549doesn't original sunshine or the apollo fork work well on Linux? what client devices do you connect from?
>>106735661i tried itwhy are they using GTK file picker (with no thumbnails)? Why not make their own file picker? (in pure Rust)this is so important to me that i distrohopped for this, yet not a single DE got it right yet, except GNOME
>>106749583>why are they using GTK file picker (with no thumbnails)? Why not make their own file picker? (in pure Rust)They ran out of time please understand.
>>106749583>they using GTK file pickerBait or just retarded?
>>106735850the blackpill
>>106735850gnome sucks and we need something to replace it in the "not many features but just werks as the distro default" market. None of the gnome devs do anything anyways, so it's not like there's competing development effort going on.
>>106735850Budgie and MATE are still alive thoughbeit.
>>106749583Check if xdg-desktop-portal-cosmic is running instead of xdg-desktop-portal-gtk. The file picker provided through xdg-desktop-portal-cosmic is from cosmic-files. Which does support thumbnails and a gallery view.
>>106748665Several. Mac, other loonix boxes and now wangblows ltsc. It’s really simple make it so I can RDP on boot and don’t have broken ass RDP clients. I have a proxmox box setup with all my servers, router and windows work VM. Unfortunately RDP just works. Then there’s the hidpi AND dual monitor situation. If I play a game in my spare time gayland thinks the game is like 8k resolution but confines it to one monitor, the mouse will shoot out of the screen thinking the game is that big. It’s really frustrating. The only solution is to use Gnome and set scaling to 100% and increase font size. Everything looks all wonky and certain programs don’t increase font so the menus are tiny. KDE is so disgusting it makes me want to punch my computer. When you RDP both screens show up at once in the window, cant see just one at a time also KRASHES. Xfce one window is normal the other one is 1080 with all sorts of artifacts around the desktop. I’m on a 9800x3d and 7900xtx. Not using poverty tech. It’s just totally frigged. I even ughhhh made a discord to talk to the devs who were of zero use. Deleted the discord after because I’m not 12 or trying to talk to 12 year olds.
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