Proton mail was a mistake.>but muh super secure mail provider !!!Yeah right>WILL send all your info to the police if asked>No integration with thunderbird or apple mail because muh encryption>All extra feature are paid>email looks suspicious to normies, have to spell it every time>Ads in your mail on the daily>SwitzerlandIf anyone was considering using this piece of shit, just use one of the regular free mail provider and if you need to, encrypt the contents yourself with a PGP key.
Works on my machine
If I use cockmail I get shadow banned on github and gmail users don't receive my cockmails
>>106744406Use Tuta instead.
>>106744406you can turn off all the promo emails, isn't it all encrypted anyways? what info can they send?
>>106744406>just use one of the regular free mail providersuch as? every single one of them ask for phone number or some other information I'm not willing to give.
>>106744460>, isn't it all encrypted anyways?No, only proton-to-proton emails are by default encrypted. Also the metadata isn't encrypted at all so a lot of journalists already had their IP leaked by proton collaborating with the feds. It isn't sure if they'll also leak financial information if you're a paid user.
>>106744435>cockmailwas never meant to be a serious mail provider. It just needed to work enough to make your little 4chan friends giggle>>106744460I actually didn't know that lol>>106744469Would go with laposte.net, french public provider, no phone number asked last time I checked
Reminder, people like OP are paid to spread misinformation about secure technology in order to encourage people to use less secure technologies
>>106744536>Please use proton it's so secure that it got a french journalist imprisoned!
>>106744536I wish I was paid to post on 4chaninstead I spread misinformation solely because of my own lack of intelligence
>>106744406>WILL send all your info to the police if askedlets see if you go there with an unmasked IP then yes they have too. sorry but you are a fucking retard!
>>106744536pretty much. these fucking retards would probably complain about lavabit too.
>>106744608Yeah, what does he expect them to do, shoot it out with the government when the cops show up at the server site?
>>106744588surely you're not simplifying things at all
I use proton because it's one of the only widespread email providers that still allows you to make accounts without a fucking phone number. Still, it's annoying when you make one and then get a signup email so proton send you the "uh you need to link another email to this one to prove you're not a bot!".
>>106744406>ads dailyI have never gotten ads on Proton address.
>>106744406Anyone who uses email and thinks it's secure and private is a retard. The point of Proton is to simply get away from Google/MS/Apple.
>>106744639Did proton give out this french journalist's IP after being asked by a swiss court? Yes. Do you need more?
>>106744672Realistically what would you expect this random corporation to do? Start a rebel insurgency in Switzerland to bring down the government so they can dismantle the justice system?
>>106744697Not collect the data in the first place
>>106744406this, unironically.Ever since I switched to using emacs for emails, encrypting my emails with PGP became very easy to do. Emacs + Mu4e + EPA offers frictionless email encrypting. You can "make" your own "encrypted email" service this way.
>>106744706what data? isn't the problem that you can just follow the mail address to the account holder since it's static by design?
>>106744730>what data?The IP address they gave to the swiss court>isn't the problem that you can just follow the mail address to the account holder since it's static by design?If anonymous sign ups were easily achievable this wouldn't be a problem. They are going out of their way to make it unnecessarily hard and in the past even quietly lead you back to the clearnet address when you pressed on 'sign up' on the onion address. Proton is actively trying to keep PII instead of not collecting any and thereby keeping their users safe.
>>106744706They can still be compelled to start saving and sharing specific data when ordered to by the Swiss courts.Granted I think they later won a court ruling that allows e-mail providers to bypass the data retention laws, similar to VPNs.
i don't care, at least it's not googlel.
>>106744846>They can still be compelled to start saving and sharing specific data when ordered to by the Swiss courts.Not if they make it technologically impossible. Also this doesn't justify them already doing it. Are you going to say next that Facebook also should already collect our data in case the US wants it later? >Granted I think they later won a court ruling that allows e-mail providers to bypass the data retention laws, similar to VPNs.So when are they going to stop saving IP addresses?
>>106744717emacs is among the many reasons i am ditching protonbridge is terrible slopwarestill undecided what other provider to go with
>>106744406>WILL send all your info to the police if asked
>>106744671/thread
>>106746330PGP exists
>>106744640>you need to link another email to this one to prove you're not a bot!Sign up via tor to fix this. It worked for me
>>106744406>WILL send all your info to the police if askedThey send what they are required to by law. Which isn't much because of the encryption.>No integration with thunderbird or apple mail because muh encryptionWorks fine in Thunderbird with their bridge.>All extra feature are paidHow do you think they should make money?>email looks suspicious to normies, have to spell it every timeUse your own domain. That's a good idea anyway for if you ever want to switch your email provider.>Ads in your mail on the dailyOnly in free version so they can advertise their premium plan, which is the only way they can even have a free tier.>SwitzerlandIt was the best choice at the time. Now they are looking to relocate.>If anyone was considering using this piece of shit, just use one of the regular free mail provider and if you need to, encrypt the contents yourself with a PGP key.If with regular you mean google and microsoft, then you're telling people to be flat out spied on and everybody they communicate with. Even if you get people to use PGP, there still is a shit load of metadata that is collected, stored and linked to every other activity that can associated with you.
>>106745614Posteo is nice
>>106744406>email looks suspicious to normies, have to spell it every timeYou aren't a normie that wasn't even yet born when gmail became a thing, are you? Because it had the exact same problem for years.
>>106746562>They send what they are required to by law. Which isn't much because of the encryption.No, they send what they have. They are not required to collect the data in the first place. >How do you think they should make money?First by not lying about how much they care about their users>Use your own domain. That's a good idea anyway for if you ever want to switch your email provider.Even more suspicious to normies unless you're running your own business>Only in free version so they can advertise their premium plan, which is the only way they can even have a free tier.Ads by a scam company shouldn't be on by default>It was the best choice at the time. Now they are looking to relocate.No, it was the best choice in the 00s. They are now about as good off as the EU. That doesn't hinder them from repeatedly defending switzerland and using it for their marketing. Ideally they'd not require strong data protection laws but not collect data in the first place. >If with regular you mean google and microsoft, then you're telling people to be flat out spied on and everybody they communicate withNo, that's why you use encryption>Even if you get people to use PGP, there still is a shit load of metadata that is collected, stored and linked to every other activity that can associated with you.Which also is accessible to Proton. You can't know whether they collect the data and there's no reason to trust them.
>>106744406Still better than gmail (yahoo outlook etc) even if they work with the feds at least they dont scan everything in your inbox all the time and sell that info to third parties.This is as good as you'll realistically get. Email is not a secure service and you shouldnt be doing sensitive shit via email.
>>106744406>emailLiterally irrelevant in 2025.Proton is a honey pot.Fastmail is a good service that is only semi pozzed.Or just blend in with other normalfags on gmail or outlook.You should be using signal for most things.
>>106744406>cares about privacy>apple maillollmao even
>>106744445Trust these guys much more than the glowies at proton.Still would rather have a good fully open source solution, I think there's an upcoming service called thundermail out of the thunderbird project, hope it's good, MPL and AGPL are good enough licenses. Modern day mozilla will probably ruin it somehow.
>>106747206>glowies at protonsource?
just host your own desu
>>106747328Proton will comply with law enforcement when they get warrants. GLOWIES Confirmed.Ignore that if they didn't, they'd be shut down.
Then what shoud we use then, if yall keep saying Proton is a glowie? Tuta? Fastmail? Mailfence?
>>106747445Host your own. Self-hosting is extremely viable for receiving emails. Sending is a bit more challenging but if you set up all the acronyms like SPF, DKIM, DMARC, rDNS, etc etc, and use an IP that you monitor and keep off spamhaus etc your sendability should be reasonable.
>>106747366Law enforcement in Switzerland! It's not even part of the EU.
>>106747461What? Self-hosting email in the big 2025? You're right self-hosting in the only option to keep control and not relying on someone. But usually doing this will lead to your mail to the spam folder, especially you have to deal with big companies.
>>106747494Yeah. I've been running my own for years, but I also have a set of test email accounts on google, hotmail, etc, and now and then I'll shoot an email off to a bunch of common services and see where it goes.
>>106747366>They just have to collect the data goyim
>>106747515If you think a company is going to ignore the government of where it's hosted then you are in trouble of braincells.Seriously just use proton or something and slap openPGP on it so they don't see shit.
>>106747526This isn't about needing to share data, it's about them willingly and knowingly collecting data they could later be forced to share. Nobody forced them to collect the data in the first place.
>>106747549They have to have your data or you'd lose your emails anon. Do you expect them to delete all your emails? Email is just fundamentally not a private protocol. If you expect them to store your emails encrypted then you'd at some point have to trust them with the unencrypted data, because of how even SMTPS works. There's literally no point them going "We can't see your emails because we store them encrypted and YOU have the key" when they're going through their STMP servers decrypted. Sure they could just leave them in memory and not store them, but it's about trust. If you trust them not to save a copy, then you can trust them not to share stored copies. It's just not a protocol where you expect privacymaxxing. You host your own server for read-only mail receiving for all your amazon reciepts and whatnot, and use protonmail or something if you need to send emails.
>>106747587>They have to have your data or you'd lose your emails anon. Do you expect them to delete all your emails?No, they don't need to have my IP to keep my emails. This is the data they have, this is the data they shared. My IP isn't required to keep my emails. >Email is just fundamentally not a private protocol.Correct, that doesn't force them to store more metadata than they have to. >Rest of the post is more about email badYes, email bad. Proton is using something bad, making it worse and pretending they're the good guys. Stop strawmaning for the privacy grifters.
>>106747669It's hardly a grift considering the alternatives. The mainline google, hotmail, yahoo alternatives are way, way worse. If you can find a reliable provider that doesn't log your IP (it's your email, your IP doesn't even matter when it comes to privacy since the email is likely to have your name in it), then share and talk about it in protonmail threads. Until then, protonmail is an established company with a record of giving into law enforcement and government pressure but not much else. I use protonmail to avoid commercial exploitation of my privacy, not the government.
Their free Windows 7 VPN is p good though
Honestly I'd rather use outlook, the whole privacy side of proton has been a meme and with outlook I can have a ton of aliases
>>106747712>The misrepresenting company using positive terms despite not living up to the standard they are providing in their own marketing isn't grifting because gmail exists>it's your email, your IP doesn't even matter when it comes to privacy since the email is likely to have your name in itOk boomer>Until then, protonmail is an established company with a record of giving into law enforcement and government pressure but not much else.They are actively misrepresenting themselves while also collecting data they don't need in the first place.
If I have to choose, a privacy respect, but without self-hosting, what would I choose beside ProtonMail?
FUD thread
>>106748076>Still no response as to why they felt the need to collect IPs
>>106747445>yall keep sayingprobably just one dude. he's about to use protonmail for something illegal, and wants other people to give him extra assurances
>>106747839I personally don't use email. If I need to tell something to someone I just go there in person. Sure it takes longer, but it allows me to create real bonds. Maybe we'll go get drinks, maybe some new business opportunity. Everybody I talk to are like minded and either do the same or send someone in their place. That's fine for me too. I like making new friends, if I can trust them.
>>106744445Based. Subscribed.
Yet another FUD thread to get people to stop using encrypted email services
>>106748192>muh IPuse a VPN retard. Do you even understand how the internet works? Your IP is not hidden at all unless you're using VPNs.
>>106749620>They just have to collect and store your IP>You shouldn't trust the company that claims it cares about your privacy and also offers a VPN
