>/g/ claims to care about privacy>installs steam, literal spywareWhy are you like this?
gaymers are fucking retards
>>106759356Unless you're exclusively using FOSS and decompiled games you'll need to trust devs anyway so it doesn't make that much of a difference. Also g is full of consoomers
>systemd>bazzite>minimal pewdiepie rice>neofetch>4k screen>steamyup checks out.
>>106759356The only way to achieve actual privacy is to live in a cave in the woods. if you use fire, you're ngmi
>>106759401People will spend countless hours or days trying to stop their OS from sending packet data home or salting their online data, meanwhile the DRM they use since their childhood continues to feed third parties their personal information. Same shit with still using google for searches or youtube with an account tied to that and gmail.
>>106759419>if you use fire, you're ngmiYou can still be tracked on camera through your heart signature. If you emit blackbody radiation, you're never going to make it.
>>106759457>implyingyou need a better deer suit
>>106759441The difference is that you can use privacy respecting search engines. For a lot of games you can not be sure that there is no spyware even if it's cracked.
>/g/ claims to care about users freedumbz>uses GPL, the ultimate, literal cuck license>even when a GPL violation is found, they can't do fuck all about itWhy are you like this, /g/oy?
prove that steam is bad for me
steam team did more for linux than all of /g/ combined. kys epic shill
>>106759406you're talking about your config and outing yoursefl has a simple mindless drone of a big eceleb ?
>>106759630hyprland,warp terminal,htopflatpak
>>106759356apparmor + firejail take care about the spying part
>>106759684Congrats on your transition, sister!
>>106759684damn, im sorry to hear about your brain tumor, hope you die without pain
Just use steam-tui
>>106759356It's containerized in flatpak, surely it can't do much there?
>>106759684>warp terminalBig yikes
>>106759356I sunbox everything.
>>106759356this is /g/ not /v/i dont have steam
>>106760027cringe
>>106760033i pirate everything, cuck nigger
>>106760042and ?you can still use steam with pirated gamefucking cringe cunt
>>106759356You can care about privacy without being a hermit living in the woods with a 90s thinkpad. It's all about the "threat model" or whatever the redditors call it.I mean you can't really claim to be a privacy schizo if you post on a website like 4chan to begin with.
>>106760051why the fuck would you do that, paypig?holy retard
>>106760069you don't know what proton is ?damn lucky you living in a cave
>>106760106>t. total ego deathpay more, faggot niggerpay more so that i dont have to
>>106760106nta, vanilla wine works just fine. I only install DXVK for anything above DX10.
>>106760180>proton is steami notice a distinct lack of insults in your discourse, anon
>>106760042Pirated proprietary garbage is still proprietary garbage
>>106760210tf do i careim not a fosscultist
>>106760198>>proton is SteamCorrect. Be a man and use wine.
Valve is a relatively good company. Like it's the only one where there are actually gamers begging them to add kernel level anticheat and they don't to respect your privacy and security.They're not perfect, but compared to literally every other gaming company they're saints.
>>106759356>steamos takes off>people abandoning windows/microsoft>suddenly StEaM iS MaLwArE right when ms released their xbox handheldhmmmmmm
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>>106760231no, its notalso i do use wine + dxvkbc my dick is vast and expansive
>>106760245>It was proven that Steam's VAC system records your internet history and uploads it to an official Valve server[2]. Valve has subsequently denied[3] that they store user's internet history, but it is impossible for Valve to prove that they do not store internet history. What we do know is that Valve does have the ability to spy on a user's internet history, the spyware feature is programmed into Valve's software and the internet history is processed by Valve's servers. It is up to you to decide whether or not you trust Valve when they say that they have turned this feature off or not.
>>106759356Cool story Tim but still no one's installing your chinkshit spyware.
>>106760297Source?
>>106760272>no, it's notExcept it is, buddy. Stop lying.>also i do use wine + dxvkThen stop arguing like a retarded shill?
>>106760310google it>Then stop arguing like a retarded shill?>implying youre in the position to call anyone a retard
https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/steamhttps://en.softonic.com/articles/gabe-newell-valve-is-not-collecting-your-browsing-historyI don't know what to believe but I'm suspicious
>>106759356>gamepass is now 30$>slew of cancellations all happening at once>"b-b-b--m--mal--malwa--malware!"oh shut up.
>>106760324>https://github.com/ValveSoftware/ProtonI dunno, seems to require Steam to me, chief.
>>106760356fukn hellhttps://search.brave.com/search?q=how+to+install+proton+on+wine&summary=1&conversation=4611fcdf639d4e0363d7e6
>>106760297Doesn't seem to be real:In 2014, rumors spread that Valve’s VAC (Valve Anti-Cheat) system was inspecting users’ DNS cache (i.e. domain names recently resolved) and sending “hashes” of those entries back to Valve for cheat-detection purposes. The Verge+4TweakTown+4PCWorld+4Gabe Newell, co-founder of Valve, publicly denied that VAC sends full browsing history or monitors general web use. He said (among other things) “Do we send your browsing history to Valve? No.” TechRadar+4PC Gamer+4PCWorld+4According to Newell’s explanation, VAC (in the context of certain anti-cheat checks) might look at DNS cache entries only if a particular cheat or cheat-related server is suspected, compare them (via hashing) against a list of known cheat servers, and send matches (or hashes) — not the full DNS list. PC Gamer+4PCWorld+4TweakTown+4The claim that VAC “reads all the domains you visited and uploads them” is not supported by Valve’s statements or by independent verification that is publicly known.Many security and privacy commentators (e.g. Malwarebytes) have rejected the notion that Valve is collecting general browsing history. MalwarebytesValve’s refusal to fully reveal the internal workings of VAC is expected (anti-cheat systems often keep internal details secret to prevent reverse engineering by cheat makers). PCWorld+2Malwarebytes+2There is no credible publicly disclosed evidence (to my knowledge) that Valve is logging full user web histories or operating “spyware” in the sense of continuous, indiscriminate monitoring of web browsing.
>>106759356>Disable the steam service>Run steam (and install games) as a restricted user>Deny that user read access to sensitive locations.>Optionally: Deny your main user execution rights to steam.exe, to prevent accidental starts.It’s not hard. I posted this in the Windows thread and was met with HUH? WHAT? ANOTHER ACCOUNT?? HUH? Most of you are retards, but in a way that helps mitigate the need to spy on you; there’s nothing worth discovering.
>>106760356what the fuck are you babbling about you retardthis is the linux community; there's always going to be people more paranoid than you. of course there's a way to use it without steam jfc
>>106760308i checked. https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/steam#s3The evidence seems to be Steams Privacy Policy Agreement. As i read it. They are refering to the browser in the steam client. So ye, total nothing burger schizo take based on an interpretation of a legal text and not on technical reality.>>106760356You're a nocoder so you're probably confused by the first sentence in the readme but in no way is Steam necessary or recommended for proton use. For people like you the bundled version is probably preferable tho as the readme states.
>>106759356No one intelligent uses the same OS install for gayming and comms requiring security. Storage is trivially cheap and extra computers suitable for comms are so plentiful millions becum ewaste every year.
>>106760405>>106760438Nah, still using Wine + DXVK with multiple prefixes. Nice try, though. Also>jump through various hoops to use Wine with some extra patchesHoly fucking retards. Gamers are beyond gone.
>>106760497>clicking a dropdown in bottles is hard
>>106760503>BottlesOH NONONONO AHAHAHAHAHA HOLY PIECE OF BLOATED SHIT.
>>106760497Well if it works for you then ok I'm glad!
>>106759356Steam is not the problem, if you care so much about privacy why would you install closed software games?
>>106759356I didn't install it. It came pre-installed with my Bazzite Linux :)
>>106760843Proprietary code can be secured. If you cannot do this, it's a skill issue.
>>106761017what about proprietary code being deliberately vulnerable?
>>106761045It’s no different than open source code. You’re not going to read the source for everything before you run it, so if it’s untrusted, you can containerize it, or isolate it in a way that allows you to audit what’s going on.
>>106761093even if you write the container itself its still a problemits gonna be exceedingly unlikely that what youre containing will break out, but not impossible. unless your code and the libs youre linking against are bulletproof. also exceedingly unlikelyand, ofc if you dont write it, the container, foss or otherwise could be compedi think the only solution is to run untrusted stuff on a computer that you earmarked for thatand keep your precious stuff on a computer thats airgapped so it doesnt matter
>>106759356oh boy its the 'online storefront is spyware because it collects your address for payment processing' post again
>>106759603You're an obese child screaming for attention, it's important that you know that.
>>106759356I care about privacy.But it's not the top thing I care about.It's pretty low on my list of things I care about, though it's still on the list.So if privacy clashes with another thing I care about that's higher on the list, I will sacrifice my privacy for it.If privacy is the number 1 thing you care about, willing to sacrifice everything else for it, you are unquestionably a schizo or a pedo.
>>106761160There's an anti-cheat service which runs with elevated permissions, which is a bit invasive.
You can just use a virtual machine. Why is OP retarded?
>>106761144Your airgapped computer is sending data with the motherboard firmware you didn't write using ethernet over power, to the mossad agents collecting it at your local substation. There's also a hidden wifi in your processor, sending data to the NSA guy hovering a drone over your house. You're fucked, kid.
>>106759356It's just nice OP. Besides if I had to trust a company I could do far worse than valve.
>>106761565Didn't they just ban all porn games? How do you reconcile this with your cheerleader faggotry?
>>106761525>Your airgapped computer is sending data with the motherboard firmware you didn't write using ethernet over poweri sincerely doubt in it. theres too much noise in a power grid to do that over a big distance>drone over my houseim not glowing enough for that, or to have ethernet over power survelianceif i were important, yeah, that would have been something to care aboutbut im a rando anon who likes to call people tranies and talk about good practices in cim just not important enough for the big guns
>>106761525>>106761770buuuut- an ai that crawls through ips and snoops on peoples drivesthats something else.thats well in the realm of feasibilitythat or just getting hacked bc i called the wrong person "trany" one too many times and they decided to fuck me right back by owning first 4 keks servers, then my computeri portect my code.i airgap it not because its revolutionary or something, but because i dont work for free
I install it as a flatpak. It has minimal access, so why worry?
>>106760042enjoy your info stealers
>>106761990tf are they gonna steal?my shitposting? my fizzbuzz tier code?i dont do e-banking exactly for security reasons
>>106761770My point is that you can take the argument to points of absurdity. With steam, while people may have suspicions about the anti-cheat driver harvesting user info, there were very recent cases of shady game publishers pushing out malware to customers. Since the game runs with the same rights as a user, it's possible to read most things in their home folder (no vulnerability required). A reputable publisher is unlikely to do this sort of thing, but it doesn't hurt to do something like run steam as another user.
>>106762073i agree.if i dont use steam its because, well, i dont need steamit may or may not be a vulnerability, if you dont use the program it doesnt concern youkind amy original point >>106760027
>>106760249What are you on about? If you weren't a /g/ tourist you would know that all proprietary software is malware. No exceptions. People have been saying steam is malware for decades, even before it started getting popular
i do want to rid my life of steam, but i kinda want to get something out of it and my few hundred games. i could sell it to my nephew for a hundred bucks or something. but what if they suspend or lock it because that's against the terms of use.i wish you could give away *your* games on steam.
>>106762169>i wish you could give away *your* games on steam.Why did you REDEEM!!!! Who told you to redeem the steam code?
>>106762169if buying isnt owningthen pirating isnt stealing
>>106762072>tf are they gonna steal?emails, passwords, use your imagination at the very least you could be on a hit list
>>106762232i havent opened the client in 18 months, have been pirating everything im jnterested in since.
>>106762254theres nothing of value thereill lose access to my nexusmods account i didnt use since 5 years. big dealim very security conscious since the mid 2000s. i already accounted for the issues were discussing today 20 years agoi wasnt even a programmer back then.
>>106762268if they dont play fair, why should we?
>>106762268>>106762293in fact, when they get caught, they pay a fine equivalent to 0.00000001% of their revenuewhen we get caught we go to fucking jailthe game is skewed in their favor so much its not even funny
>>106759356How is Steam spyware?
>>106761525>ethernet over powerUse a laptop.>drone wifiFaraday cage.
>>106759356I only ever install it on my windows goybox install which is offline most of the time
