Why has the entire fucking internet suddenly become hostage to this shit? What's the point of fast internet if every website cockblocks you with a 15 second humiliation ritual before it will even load?
>prove you are humanThis is the biggest humiliation ritual in the history of the world
>you should use our DDoS protection otherwise you WILL get hit by a DDoS attack, know what I'm saying?
>>106774456>it's my way or the highway
>>106774430If there are middlemen in an industry, then you can bet THEY are there. You know who I'm talking about. They love useless bureaucracy, this cloudflare stuff may as well be a kosher ritual.
>>106774430serves to avoid DDo attacks, if you do not understand this I suggest you go to study
>>106774430You will buy the DDoS "protection" and you will be happy
While I'm sure Cloudflare does do "some" level of DDoS mitigation, they're a company like any other that exists to make a profit before anything and if you think they're not being pressured by their shareholders into using their vast resources to pressure site hosts into buying Cloudflare subscriptions to cement their reputation as the "industry standard" you're a retardIf random internet autists on 4chan have realised they can do this then Cloudflare employees, who do this shit for a living, definitely have>Fun fact, I got a "connection error" when I tried to post this
>>106774430LLM training bots have gone insane, it's like a constant DDoS attack on the entire web. And you can't just blacklist them individually as not only is there new ones popping up every week, but now China is running unmarked bots.
>>106774678Samefag replying to myself here about shit no-one cares about or will readI'm not one of those "le capitalism is bad" people who think money is evil, but in my opinion the entire "profit over everything" model is fundamentally broken, you just get disinterested investors buying into a company because their financial advisor told them it was a good investment without actually caring about their product at all, and companies now have to bend over backwards to cater to people who will never care about what they make and never willThe service you actually deliver should come first and if that has to come at the expense of shareholder profit then so be it, buying an asset with expectation of future profit is inherently risky and they should've understood that when they bought itI understand the legal and financial justification for corporations and why they exist, but this is just getting ridiculous
>>106774430Because of fucking kikesThe world will continue sinking down this bottomless pit of a dark age until we wake up and genocide them
>>106774733No reason the chinese should be allowed on our internet anyway
>>106774430Clicking the box is consent to execute Javascript that inspects your computer/phone/etc. It's legally (with your consent) fingerprinting you, me, and everyone else every time we interact with it. And all the collected data is centralized under one unaccountable company.What if they decide to use it against us?
>>106774430Its a protection racket. Either you pay for DDoS protection or you mysteriously start getting DDoS'd by no one in particular for no reason in particular.
>>106774733>>106775038>le chinesejewbots spamming muh chink pilpul gaslight spotted
>>106774430>suddenly
>>106774820I think illegalizing stock trading would solve this problem. Then the only profits to be had would be long term profits through dividends. So investors would be forced to prioritize making things that actually benefit the customer, rather than just try to scam the customer and burn every ounce of value and good will in the short term for the sake of increasing share value.Of course anyone who even attempted this would probably get assassinated instantly due to the sheer amount vested interest rich and powerful people have in the system as it is.
>>106775085>I'm not half the man I used to be
>>106774430because you get ddos'd if you don't bend the knee
>>106775103THERE'S A SHADOW HANGING OVER MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>it's the kikes!>no, it's the chinks!I think caring about the exact identity of the people making the internet unusable and posting shitty propaganda is beside the point, the web is full of bad actors at this point, just use common sense when reading anything from someone you don't know (including me) and don't believe everything you see at first glance>inb4 this post is d&c shill fud somehow
>>106775122It's just israel shills trying to make israel look better by false flagging as obsessed dipshits who can't stop shoehorning how much they hate jews into every fucking unrelated conversation. Welcome to 5th generational warfare and the brave new retarded future.
>>106775122>stop noticing goy
>>106774733Great, so we should just prevent anyone new from training models. OpenAI, Google and Facebook got to scrape the whole internet unimpeded but now we must protect their oligopoly on models.
>computer hardware is thousands of times faster than it was 20 years ago>actually interacting with computers is not faster at all, even slower in many cases
>>106775210Models built on public data should be made public.
>>106775089I mean, maybe? Making it harder for people to immediately jump ship at the first sign of difficulty and actually take some responsibility for the dumpster fire you indirectly helped create would help, but people should still be free to buy and sell from each other. If you decide that you've moved on from whatever the company is providing and don't want to be part of it anymore, you should be free to do so.What I thought was that the concept of limited liability is the problem, if you're not willing to cover some of the costs when they inevitably don't make a profit one year you shouldn't be buying part of them in the first place. A company isn't a physical asset like a precious metal that increases in value over time, they sometimes make a profit and they sometimes don't and treating it like a perpetual "numbers go up" machine is causing huge problems today.I don't know if any of this would be practical or actually work IRL, I'm not a lawyer and plenty of terrible ideologies have started from thoughts very similar to this (trying to make the world a better place by changing some fundamental part of the economy) but maybe treating corporations for what they actually are (teams of people) instead of numbers on a page would be a good start. Obviously there should be some profit motive or people wouldn't invest in the first place, but it should be secondary to actually delivering a quality product. People don't actually care about what they make anymore and it shows in how the quality of literally everything has declined in recent decades.
>>106775241nice ad bro
>>106775209Oy vey shut it down
>>106774820The monetary system would work better if stocks and derivatives didnt exist
>>106774733The fsf had to block 5 million IPs at one point.They are slowly going through the data, and talking to upstream providers, who are talking to their upstream providers. Eventually they’ll be blocked on the undersea cable.LLM scrapers aren’t smart enough to bother hiding.My system detects LLM scrapers and sends random, mostly duplicate data.
>>106774430They have a generous free tier and easy to setup, why wouldn't you use it?
>>106775292The first sniff is free
>>106775210>so we should just prevent anyone new from training models.I couldn't keep my small site up because it was getting ass raped by training bots, so yeah, they can get fucked.
>>106775343You find out where they’re coming from and send links back to their own IPs.
>>106775210they should all be labeled heretics and burned
>>106775219> made publicThey can’t do that.They use APIs to scrape social media, not individual user accounts.The problem is this bypasses age verification and you can’t let content… even in “models” … be released without said verification.
>now AI will have nothing else to train on except other AI and the era of AI human-centipeding can truly begingood, good
>>106775356And then they come right back with new IPs, forcing you to play a constant game of whack-a-mole with Chinese bots or try to implement some kind of technology that will stop them from getting through in the first place without stopping legitimate traffic in a constant technological arms race with people from across the globe, which is why sites like Cloudflare (as scummy as they might be) exist in the first place>>106775378Solved: 5 easy ways to generate an endless flood of garbage "content" for easy ad revenue (number 4 will shock you)
>>106775045CloudFlare is basically NSA btw
>>106774430Maybe I'm a brainlet but how exactly does it check if you're a human? I have a few schizo ideas regarding biometrics and what not but I don't want to derail OPs thread.
>>106775489https://developers.cloudflare.com/turnstile/https://www.oopspam.com/blog/cloudflare-turnstileTLDR it checks to see if your bot is pretending to be chrome.exe / firefox.exe correctly. It stops shittily implemented bots
>>106774430google's captcha was even worse and there were no llms boom yet
>>106775540imagine trusting these faggots and what they saywhat they actually do is run a fingerprint and metadata check to ensure all the telemetry and spyware is working as intended
Crypto would solve this. You wouldn't spam or shitpost if you had to PAY 1/1000th of a penny to post.
>>106775649sure but how do you know that the site its self is following the rules? this specific problem is solved, sure, but you still cant be sure that every post on said site is genuine or not just because the site owner could be letting whitelisted bots in for free
>>106776019>>106775649a 'tax' for ever post, won't help when the manipulators print money out of thin air. shitposting isn't the name of the game, it's faking consensus.the main issue is, how do you differ a bot from a real human online, anything digital can be faked. the moment you start converting anything from analog and 'real' to a digital output, that digital output can be faked.it's not solved, and i doubt it can ever be.
>>106776178you mean "viably solved". your government can always order a soviet commissar with a gun to stand behind you while you shitpost to be the only way to conect to the internet.
>>106774430>What's the point of fast internet if every website cockblocks you with a 15 second humiliation ritual before it will even load?so you can download a lot of torrents, I thought this was obvious
>>106776232but then how do you know the hostage is a real person. he just became a bot by proxy. it doesn't address the main problem, how do you verify a human using a computer? you can't, which is extremely troubling.
what does clicking the checkbox accomplish that the automagic scan before "failing" is not able to do? humiliation ritual?
>>106776346>By checking this box you permanently acknowledge that the internet is our property now and you will only access it with our explicit permission and we can cut you off for no reason at any timeNo refunds
>>106774430We use Turnstile at work because it removed 99% of fraudulent purchases for free, and we can use more complex tools (mix of first-party and paid third-party) to focus on the remaining 1%. The alternative would be to run the third-party fraud analysis tools on 100% of purchases, and to do that we would have to raise prices on everything to account for the expense of the fraud analysis.It's not perfect, but it helps a ton.They provide a good enough service at a great price.If someone offered a better service, we would use that instead.
>>106776355big if true
>>106776382can't wait for cloudflare to start charging for that service.what are you gonna do? use something else? oh right, all those other tools are dead now. HAHAHAHAHA.
>>106774678The powers that be can print infinite money. The biggest lie the golems, like this guy, tell is that they are after profits and revenue. Nothing could be further from the truth.
>>106774430Internet is so grim at this point.Not only Cloudflare is one giant Man in the Middle for the convenience of intelligence agencies, but they're also blocking smaller browsers like Palemoon.Remember all the fuss about browser monopolies around Microsoft shipping IE with Windows or Google Chrome having a huge market share?Nowadays if you're not Gecko or Blink based browser you get immediately blocked by Cloudflare. It's not a plain block either, it's a script that deliberately hangs your browser with 100% CPU usage and eating up all the memory.>Had to "Verify I'm a human" just to make this posthumiliation ritual
>>106776393>can't wait for cloudflare to start charging for that service.>what are you gonna do? use something else?Actually? Yes. Read my post again. We already use several "something else" solutions. We would increase our usage of those, or we would pay for Turnstile, or we would use a blend of multiple solutions. All of these are acceptable outcomes.>oh right, all those other tools are dead now.You are not knowledgeable in this space, and it shows.
>>106774430That's why I made the big brain move to get slow internet and save some money
>>106776593bend it.
>>106774430how does it actually work? Does it analyze how you move your cursor before and after clicking it? What does a human do that a program couldn't in this instance?And if that is the case why do they need the checkbox at all?
>>106775649>web3 retards were actually rightwell shit
>>106776608I don't know what that means, but it seems like you're not satisfied with my explanation? Acting upset doesn't change the nature of my business, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.Do you not believe me?
>>106776644afaik yes, it analyzes your mouse movement to determine if you're human, because a bot's movement would be impossibly straight and uniform speed
>>106776587>The internet is so grimI recently switched from Spectrum to a small local ISP because they have Gigabit FTTH. While the speed is nice, I have run to issues with several websites thinking Im behind a VPN when Im not. Except the problem seems to be that my ISP is so small that it is a small section of a larger Fiber ISP, and thus basically is operating as VPN. Im either going to end up ironically using a VPN 24/7 or go back to Spectrum so it doesn't appear to websites that I am behind a VPN and get blocked.
Cloudflare is good at what they do Nobody else is and when i complained about this everyone told me I was a spammerNow I see them all cry about it cry more
>>106776695Correct. It also does a lot more than that, like testing which browser features are enabled, checks any hardware it can via things like WebGL, and more.And it won't succeed all of the time, but that's okay because it's good enough. The majority of bot-writers do the bare minimum, and so the 0.5% of bots that go the extra mile to really pretend to be a human, making random mouse movements, scrolling slowly, only sending a requests from an IP at a time, those might get through but okay? So what? It's already a massive win to reduce the ops burden by a factor of 200.
>>106774430It's the biggest MitM attack in history, brought to you by the US government. You didn't think your traffic was actually securely encrypted, right?
>>106775289>My system detects LLM scrapers and sends random, mostly duplicate data.respond with a random Hitler's speech
>alphoomers who never suffered through Optimized for IE6 are poised to repeat it as Optimized for Chrome
>>106774430>15 secondsit's 2 seconds on my machine
>>106775122Post your fucking nose you squinty eyed kike-chink
>>106777216It should be 0.2 seconds at most.
>>106776695so why can't the do it in the background as you open the site? Why the stupid box?Also couldn't you just "prerecord" the movements of you clicking the box then play it back automatically when prompted? The box is always in the same spot right?
>>106777924>Also couldn't you just "prerecord" the movements of you clicking the box then play it back automatically when prompted? >The box is always in the same spot right?Try it and see if you can get it to work.If you can, there's probably good money in it :^)
>>106774456A small forum I go to has inexplicably hit by a massive wave of bots so now it has cloudflare because otherwise it was barely usable due to DDoS. I love the modern internet
>>106774733Is there even any point in scraping the internet at this point anymore?It seems like all the good content has already been scraped (google scholar, books, pre-2020 articles, etc.)Everything that is added now is most likely 90% AI-generated anyway that will just add useless noise to the training data.
>>106774430I can't post using a mobile network anymore thanks to this shit, it will hang for 1 minute then time out. Worked fine a month ago. Fuck Cuckflare.
>>106778510buy a pass :^)
>>106774430Your the same faggot that scraps websites aren't you
ddos is ancient concept just like software virus, how the fuck we're still being held hostage by it?
>>106778607the internet is a series of tubes, and all those trucks are clogging the pipes
>>106778607people who can solve ddos don't want to solve it because they are the ones who sell you ddos protection
>>106778607the common cold virus is 300 billion years old and somehow we still struggle with it wtf get a grip humans
>>106778664Earth was created five thousand years ago
>>106778127gee I wonder who's behind those attacks
