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>>106795744thanks for replying. I'm gonna experiment with different foams, tapes and different density silicone moulds on my roomy M5 to see if a particular combination makes a difference with the Melodics. I think there is potential in making the case more silent to isolate the click by muting the downstroke. I'm not experienced enough to judge by ear but it sounds good already and I'm very sensitive to metallic pings courtesy of my retired Huntsman V2, so I'm eager to experiment and learn. God, I live for this shit.
(Reposting from last thread)I'm looking for an "half keyboard", wireless, ortholinear and that is fully programmable.For couch gaming it (+wireless mouse) would be enough for many games.For watching Netflix it would be my TV remote (play/pause, navigating, volume).For working I would use it as macro keypad while is use a full sized regular keyboard for typing.Could act as a numpad for TKL keyboard, (and more for smaller KB).If I get used to the ortholinear typing, I could get a second one and use both of them as a split keyboard. (Would be two devices, but I don't think that's an issue.What to buy for this?I don't want to solder, 3dprint, custom-pcb-order anything. But I would be willing to flash a micro controller with some firmware if that is what it takes.Budget: 150€Location: Germany/EUSwitch Type: clicky or tactileLayout: does not apply, I want square grid.Form factor: I think this would technically be 50% or less.backlight: I don't care.
>>106798389>280g switch editionWhat the fuck is this piece of shit? Alps?
>>106798982maybe a levinson from keeb.io, dont get ortholinear non-split its extremely uncomfortable even worse than standard ones imo
>>106799011Tai-Hao ALPS clones.
i have a mechanical keyboard with led lit keys and im noticing that the N key is a sortof egg-white wheras the rest are pure white.no other key is doing this
>>106795744Thanks. That filco is really cheap but yeah a little strange color. This one is going to be solid and durable? And yeah I don’t care/know about stab differences.
>>106799602I'm pretty sure Filco is as durable as any of them—the Cherry MX switches will be the first part to fail. For me it was 8 years of heavy daily use before some of my mx browns started to drop inputs. I think that's reasonably good. A little bit of soldering (and the easiest kind of soldering at that) is all it takes to replace them when that happens. Beyond the ~8 year mark I don't know what the next weakest link is. If you get direct sunlight on your desk, the plastic case will discolor and become brittle over a long enough period. That's basically every mass-market keyboard, not unique to this one.
>>106800313When I say lasting 8 years is good btw I just mean compared to other MX clones, some of which start malfunctioning in a couple of years. I don't trust the other brands the way I trust Cherry. They also have some comparably normal black Filco boards for a little less than double the price of that one, but the ones with mx browns are currently sold out so you'd be waiting for them to restock, which they say is this month, but who knows? Myself, I don't hate the color, but if it eventually annoys you you can replace the caps with beige, WoB, BoW, any of that would look pretty normal and less 'gamer'. It's a versatile case colour.
>>106798389Should I just get an Evo80 or should I spend more money and time on a Neo80?
>>106800862my vote goes to Neo80 with cf plate
A mice question. I just got Logitech g502 X lightspeed, and the switches are so annoyingly loud. Any ways to dampen them? Or if not, any recommendations for similar mice with silent switches?
>>106801254is the CF going to be louder than POM? I might take it to work so don't want something too loud.
nth for booba U4
>>106801554Oh no, you need it quiet? That's a whole different can of worms
qrd on model F keyboards? Looking at the F122 because having an extra 22 keys to bind to shit would be nice but someone a couple threads ago was shitting on them iirc
>>106802393I dont need it super quiet prob, I just dont want it to be obnoxious.
>>106802453CF is going to make it a bit clackier, which imo the neo80 needs, and from what little I've seen it seems like it's been a popular pick among neo80 owners, but that also makes it less suitable for your use case
>>106798982Doesn't exist.
>>106798982I did do some looking around at the usual sorts of stores to see if this sort of thing existed, and I have to agree with >>106802879 that it doesn't seem to. Even though I'm sure I've seen such a thing before.42.keebs has a *close* keyboard (maybe not that close), which is a bit different because it's split in the center, and I think it ends up being quite a bit over budget if you pay them to do all the work of putting it together (it's more DIY than even a typical keyboard kit), but it has the advantage that you can just drop it into whatever standard sort of 60% case you happen to fancy. I'll link it in case you give up on finding something cheap and easy:https://42keebs.eu/shop/kits/pro-micro-based/lumberjack-pro-hotswap-50-ortho-kit/And here e.g. is a case that might work (?) (supposed to work with same PCBs as the Tofu60, which 42.keebs lists as a compatible case):https://ymdkey.com/products/gh60-60-wood-case-gk64-gk61-60-pok3r-dz60-yd60mq-xd64It has hotswap sockets so you don't have to do any soldering yourself. Or at least... I don't think you do. They include instructions on how to solder the hotswap sockets, but I have to imagine that would be included in the purchase of the full soldering service... Would be weird if that only covered soldering the controller, diodes, etc. I'd ask them via email.There are a bunch of caveats about wireless, e.g. you need to supply your own battery, and you can only charge directly to the nice!nano v2 control board's usb-c port, which is a little awkward. (Using the other usb-c port will make your battery explode, which apparently is the nice!nano's fault and not something they can control.) With zmk firmware and a good battery maybe this only needs to be done twice a year, but... lolThis was the best I could do, sorry.
>>106803692>>106798982MB I was thinking of a different post from last thread, not yours
>>106802481Eh fuck it I might just go with CF and take my hhkb to work instead Any switch reccos? I haven’t tried any of the new shit desu, last keyboard I bought was when gateron was the new thing and pretty much only alternative to cherry.
>>106803845I've heard good things about Gat X: https://cannonkeys.com/products/gateron-x-switch(But I'm not the right guy to ask about linears)
>>106804136I like tactile usually, mx brown was what I used to use.
>>106804141Lol I don't know what to tell you then. Here's a pic I snapped one minute ago of the keyboard I'm using right now. Things haven't changed much.Gateron Lanes are cool, but sold out everywhere. Worth checking out when they do a round 2.
Guys, just let it go. This thread is dead.
The Gateron switches in my Keychron Q1 have been starting to go bad all at once in the last month. At first I started to just switch them with less common keys, then the replacements would start failing a short while later. Did Gateron have a bad batch or something last year? So far I've had to replace seven Junipers.
>>106804269If I'm not mistaken I remember hearing in these threads that junipers were especially prone to chatter for some reason. Either try different switches or if it runs QMK then try increasing your debounce time.
>>106804278Honestly it's annoying enough I'm cool with just replacing them all with keys that justwerk. What's the closest that are still hot swappable?
>>106804278Also, not even sure if debounce time would solve it. Some switches double click, some click then do nothing when held down, then others just inconsistently click at all. The failure modes are all over the place.
>>106804316I'd like to get to the bottom of what they're doing wrong with these modern keyboards. How often would you say your PC's cpu struggles? Because I found my Keychron unusable when I connected it to an older computer.
>>106804266I can't. Not yet.
>>106804700>I found my Keychron unusable when I connected it to an older computer.what do you mean by older? could it be the scan rate? or drivers or smth? what cpu what OS?
How do I make my gasket mounted keyboard more firm? The keys feel like they're sinking all the time when I type. There is no wobble or looseness, but I want the typing experience to feel less like negotiating my way through a trampoline. Should I tape the cutouts in my keyboard where the gasket mounts sit to make them firmer? Or is it better to add more foam and ensure the PCB has less room to bounce from keystrokes?
>split ortho>has a mouse pointing device (ideally trackball), not in a retarded ass location>wirelessthis doesn't exist
>>106805355Older as in, a piece of shit cheap laptop that's many years out of date running Windows 10. Its own keyboard works fine, but my Keychron sure didn't.
>>106805394More foam will do it. I put firm rubber strips under my Keychron's gaskets to firm them up. Initially I meant to use the rubber alone but I couldn't get them to sit flat and make nice even contact with the plate, so the poron had to go back in on top.
>>106805463maybe shit USB power? tried turning LEDs off, completely? and use it wired if you were using it wireless/bluetooth?
>make a vial config>now suddenly my keyboard dies after 20 seconds when i plug it in without vial runningwhy
What the fuck is wrong with people doing lube guides? First they recommend to "only apply a thin coat of lube" on the insides of the stabilizers, but a thick coat of lube on the metal part. Only for them to say "Oh yeah it will probably rattle a little bit, so just take this syringe full of 205g and blast the inside of the stabilizer like a cream puff, that'll do the trick". How are they this fucking schizo? And because there's only like 1-2 trustworthy shops that ship 205g syringes to my god forsaken country, I had to take an empty normal syringe and fill up in a really shitty way with some lube. Do you know much god damn time this takes? What the fuck is wrong with people wanting to waste my time at every turn? So with my next set of stabilizers, I just lubed the FUCK out of them - both the inside and the metal part. Lo and behold, no rattling, no bullshit, no having to take out the syringe, just the god damn time consuming plopping in, plopping out (the little glue-on things for the back of the PCB are for thinner boards, not to be applied in general on EVERY PCB, but no one fucking tells you that) plopping in again and screwing of the stabs. God damn I hate motherfucking guide makers so much. It took me 4 hours to assemble a god damn keyboard, and a big chunk of that was just the stabilizers.Other than that, the keyboard is bretty gud. It just irritates me how much "extra" there is. The foam below the PCB, the foam ON the pcb, the plates and on top of all that, the switches and the different mounts (thank fuck my keyboard only has 2 mount possibilities). How do people find the time to get a "feel" for all the combinations? With + no under-foam, with + no pcb-foam, with + no + different combinations of plates? And the worst part is, they make videos of this shit and type like fucking toddlers, instead of using a 10 finger system (or fuck, even 8-finger or some bullshit). What in the holy mother of fuck is wrong in peoples heads?Fucking stabilizers man.
>>106805555>Fucking stabilizers man.I expected NASA deep space materials and tolerance by now, on the shittiest most basic mechanical arrangement, at under $1 cost.whenever I see a rattling stabilizer I blame all you retards buying them, every single time. it's your fault for having subhuman standards
>>106805586I tried whatever the $15 stabs kbdfans were selling and they advertise them as not even needing lube. I put the lightest coat I have ever put on stabs with them on my last build and I got no rattle first try.Still waiting for the aliexpress design rips of that sperg who spent $100k in r&d on making rattleless stabs.
>>106805586which stabs don't rattle? I bought durock v3's and they rattled (slightly) until I put in a bunch more lube. By "they rattled" I mean the spacebar in particular. Tried the TypePlus x YIBK ones, but pre-emptively lubed them up. No complaints so far
>>106805586Imagine using a board that has any stabilizers at all. Couldn't be me.
>>106805586Fuck, you are damn right, even my cheap chinkshit aula doesn't suffer from stab rattle.
>>106805664Knight v4I swear by em
No lube needed with knights. I'm surprised they aren't the meta. Use stab pads cos they look tacticool and that's all you need. Zero lubing, zero rattling, just peak performance.
>>106805613No need to wait. Get the v4s
>>106802400They seem finicky to get working properly but otherwise nice. I'd like if there was a nice plastic shell with adjustable feet, but I guess you can't come close to the kickstands on the original IBMs, as a one man operation, without having much higher costs. IIRC you can get taller rubber feet for them, it's just nice being able to have that be faster like the little kickstands.
Here goes nothing
>>106807787Just ordered two sets blind on your advice, for no other reasons than that Cherry stabs have driven me mental and SwagKeys seems to know what they're doing generally. I hope you're right about them. I'd like to be done fussing with stabs forever
>>106805555>How do people find the time to get a "feel" for all the combinations?I'm unemployed
Thoughts on chocmaxxing?After all these years I find that classic thinkpad keyboards are still my favourite, and mechs still feel thick and like it takes too much time to press the key.
>>106808809Go for it if you vibe with it
>>106805481>maybe shit USB power?Could be. Was using it wired but the laptop may have been running on its battery, so maybe that matters, I don't know.
>>106808082y u do dis
>>106809240>>106805481But: it's normal for my Keychron to double-type even on my gaming PC when there is big load on the CPU, e.g. when I run AI video generation workloads where it loads and unloads large models into memory it's normal for my Keychron's inputs to go a bit weird as it does that. My Daring Run Flip 6P has the same problem, but my other boards don't as far as I can tell.
>>106808809your sister is chocmaxxing
>>106804266Honestly I'm not too sure why I come here anymore myself. I'm very confident I've got my endgame keyboard (Keychron K8 HE plus MTNU keycaps), and frankly it's ruined everything except the Model F for me.
>>106798982>>106803692>Location: Germany/EUNo.You are going to buy Cherry/Razor/Keychron for 2-5x the price of buying an ANSI layout. And then you are going to STRUGGLE to find the correct layout.
>>106809386M5 has a hollow for wireless M5W batteries because Monsgeek used the same mold for the aluminum bottom for wired and wireless variants. I don't need that empty gap in my aluminum keyboard. It came out perfect too, peeled it off just now.
What keywords do I need to input if I'm searching for keycaps that have the nice and grainy molded texture to them?
>>106811359I don't think keywords will help you here, you just need to know the brands.Shenpo caps have a nice roughish texture and they're relatively cheap at around $35. Haven't tried JC Studio but I think they're similar based on what I've heard.
>>106811359Look up ePBT sets on Alohakeys. Some of them definitely look grainy and nice.
>>106811359PBT fans caps are grainy as fuckstay away from ABS if you like grain though, because they smooth up much easier
are ceramic keycaps a meme?
>>106812702Yes. They are strictly meant for a display piece.
I need someone to talk me out of buying these keycaps.I don't even have a mac I just have fond memories of playing on my grandmother's computer in the early 90s
>>106812762I really like the lettering. It's going to be hard for me to convince you.
>>106812762buying the exact keyboard your grandma used to own would cost a similar amount of money
$150USCreamy oneANSI100%RGB preferred but not mandatoryAny recs or help appreciated
>>106812888>Creamy one
>>106812762Go for it, it looks nice.
>>106812899I made the same joke to her lol. I'm not informed on keyboards so I directed her here
want to diy a corne v3, where to start? i also need to practice soldering before getting into building a keyboard, best/cheapest soldering kit?
>>106812888>creamyjust buy any hotswap 100% with foam and put a trendy HMX long pole switch in it
how many keyboards is too many?
>>106812762Where are these in stock? The pre order websites say out of stock
hhkb is awesome
>>106813804https://kbdfans.com/collections/pbtfans/products/pbtfans-1984German layout: https://monacokeys.de/products/pbtfans-1984-r2-dye-sub-pbt-keycap-set-preorderUK vendor: https://www.mechmods.co.uk/products/pbtfans-1984These were the ones I could find with base kits in stock from a Google search
>>106813887>hhkb>posts MX board
>>1068132115
>>106813211>>106814298Sounds about right. I have 13 and I regret buying about half of them since they never get used. 2 of them I use a lot and then the rest I just rotate in and out. And I still have never tried anything "niche" like Alice or split ergo, just a bunch of different vanilla bullshit.
>>106814586Lol
>>106810279>Keychron K8 HEwould have been a good choice for me if it didn't have that weird sunken design. it's missing the top case. And it's the only K model doing that. weird.any photos with your board + keycaps?
>>106813211I think anything over 3. You have your vintage membrane shtf usecase, then your older mech and the one you daily
The fact that someone knew exactly how to do attractive legends on PBS keycaps, as evidenced by the gorgeous PBS MV Classic set, and yet this aliexpress-looking failure is the black-on-white Cannonkeys decided to run... for fuck's sake, manLook at that delete key. Fuck off.
Need a new keyboard for office, are realforce still good boards? Was looking at R3S.Thanks.
>>106814821It just didn't have to be that way. What a shame. Feels like BoW is actually a hole in the market, in spite of all the sets that exist, because everyone's set looks like shit somehow. GMK's looks fine, but it yellows because it's ABS, so what's the point
>>106798389Best Keyboard for ten-twenty dollars? preferably wired please.
This much kitting, yet no 1.5u super or 1.5u fn so if you use R3 control and you don't like gay novelties then I guess you can go fuck yourself. I guess I get to keep my money then
>>106814984https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Matte-Keyboard-QWERTY-Layout/dp/B07WJ5D3H4
>>106814984https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Keyboard-Windows-Optical-Full-Size/dp/B003NREDC8
>>106798389Is there a capacitive cheap keyboard for regular typing akin to the Asterisk (for stenotype)
>>106814855good lookina volume knob?
>>106812981>best/cheapest soldering kit$1-3 ones on aliexpress or $5 ones on amazonthere are two kinds of relevant soldering, through-hole (THT) and surface mount (SMD), switches and I think controller pins are through hole, diodes and resistors and shit are SMD but very often PCBs are sold pre-soldered so you may not need to do any SMD>where to startcorne seems popular enough that you can pick one of any number of vendors selling the PCB and/or kitsat its most basic you need the assembled PCB, controllers, switches and keycaps, trrs cable and usbc cable, all of the latter are easy to find anywhere so if you don't want a case or anything it's super cheap and easyI also know of some places selling wireless kits if you want, e.g. https://xcmkb.com/products/wireless-pre-built-corne-42-36-keysand kits with input devices like a trackpoint or trackpad, e.g. https://holykeebs.com/products/corne-choc(I've never bought from either of these stores myself mind you)
>>106814984whatever mechanical you luck out and find at goodwill / salvation army
>>106815419>cornenta and too lazy to research. what controllers do those use? some kind of arduino thing?
>>106812981Don't cheap out too much.
>>106815436The same controllers every single custom build uses, which is a pro micro compatible ones, though it's been a while since actual pro micro clones have been popular. Generally RP2040 based ones are most used nowadays for wired builds as they're more powerful than pro micro (especially w.r.t. memory, you can fuck about with way more keymaps and more featureful firmware without hitting up against the minuscule flash size on actual pro micros). Wireless ones use nicenano or whatever it's called
>>106812981for soldering get one of these, they're good. and get 3 different sized tips for it. get a roll of 60/40 solder (with lead, don't inhale the fumes, leaded solder is nice to work with) and flux. and practice on any old junk.
>>106813211IMO if the goal is to find the best keyboard that you prefer, then it's natural to buy multiple and eventually not necessarily use them all. The important thing is that you don't impulse buy cool shit without a very good reason of why you want it and a real expectation that you might want to use it more than any of the other keyboards you currently have: you might end up being wrong of course, but you should have a genuine reason to believe it when justifying the purchase.The other factor is to spend within your means of course, if you're a low earning wagie you probably shouldn't be experimenting with new flavors of split ergo kits for $200 every month.And the third thing is that IMO price matters more than quantity, if you buy a $30 PCB kit and like $20 worth of chink switches and keycaps, it's a lot more justifiable than if you buy a $200 niche pre-assembled memeboard. Someone buying four of the former and trying out different form factors and column staggers and shit will probably end up more informed than someone buying one of the latter, and even if you don't end up using any of those four you might be in a position to know what exactly you want from a keyboard now. So someone with five keyboards spending a total of say $200 + $100 will have spent their money smarter than someone buying a new $200 keyboard every three months for a year because they keep finding small niggles.
>>106815454ye got a pro micro clone in my drawer but prolly should get the 2040 stuff. are they standard pinout/format? like the original rp2040 or are there clones of different sizes? but will also check the kicad project to make sure
>>106815486I think the standard in keyboard kits is to have pro micro compatible pinout. I don't know if the original 2040 is actually compatible lel.Almost every place that sells PCBs for corne will likely also have an option to bundle the controllers, just pick that if it's available for less shipping hassle. If not then there's tons of places selling specifically mech kit controllers, like I said basically everyone uses the same ones.
>>106812981>>106815472Honestly for soldering just get a pinecil, I have a station like this and also a fancier hakko one and nowadays I just use my pinecil. Soldering isn't rocket science and the pencil form factor is just more convenient.>don't inhale the fumesLead effectively doesn't sublimate at soldering temperatures, the fumes are all flux (rosin). You still shouldn't breathe them in, my point is that it'll be the same with unleaded solder.Also get 63/37 solder, it's even easier to work with for reasons I forgot.You likely may not need separate flux for THT, the core in the solder is gonna be enough. For SMD you definitely want a flux pen.Also get one of those copper wire sponges for cleaning the tip of the iron. IIRC the actual sponge sponges (that hold water) are worse for reasons I don't remember (maybe thermal shock from the water, or residue from the plastic sponge getting onto the tip?), so just use the copper wire ones
I have a Green mk. Griffin series. It 'clicks'.Green is an Iranian manufacturer of computer cases, PSUs and mice/keyboard.My case and PSU is made by them too.It's an RGB case. I don't know why I bought an RGB case.I have two other keyboards too. A mini-keyboard I use to use with `keyd` shortcuts. And a keyboard in the slider which I never use.I highly recommend `keyd`. It's one of the best key rebinders out there.If you know another key rebinder for Loonix better than `keyd`, do lemme know.I tried to make my own key rebinder but it fizzled out.
