wayland trannies LOST
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>>106799704where's hdr
>>106799717You don't need that
>>106799727thank you ebussy
it's just one retard spamming this shit, isn't it
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>>106799717>where's hdrMonitors don't need more than 8bit color.
>>106799704>No HDR>No upscaling for high DPI displays>No multimonitor supportWhy are XTrannies so backwards? Wayland is all you need.
>>106799717I don't know, have HRT instead.
does it support pinch zoom yet?
>>106799704Did they add HDR yet?We live in a BIG world and have moved on from SDR. HDR is the PRESENT and the FUTURE and OLD BAD LEGACY TECHNOLOGY like XLibre cannot do that.
>>106799717https://yedlin.net/DebunkingHDR/index.html>>106799770What's the vid, anon? (and also what's with the highlight crushing around the window lol)
>>106799770Holy basted
>>106800582I still can't believe people are dumb enough to do this.
>>106801284>>106799770so the answer is no, right? what sort of project are you guys running? I can't imagine expecting to keep xorg around when you can't add basic features everyone else has already figured out. Windows has had hdr since 10.
this is fucking stupid, in 4 years wayland will dominate linux and xlibre will probably be forgotten
>>106799717x11sisters... how do we come back from this?
>>106799717Hdr is implemented in the gpu drivers and the graphcs card…it’s not X or Wayland that “makes hdr work” Nothing prevents apps that make video-like content from displaying hdr in X.The only thing you could be talking about is having the gnome calculator app’s edges composited onto your anime background using 10 bit colour instead of 8 bit colour, which is fucking ridiculous.
>>106801273There’s also 12 bit HDR. Ina couple years there will be 14 bit HDR.Get on that bandwagon!!You bought that 48 megapixel camera that takes shitty noisy pictures didn’t you?Then you bought that phone with four of those shitty 48 megapixel cameras, didn’t you?Thought so.
>>106800336>>No multimonitor supportwhat did xe mean by this?
>>106799717>where's hdrSame where it is on Windows (barely functional and not worth using in its state)
>>106801610ok so where the fuck is hdr on x? Do something about it or throw this useless project in the trash. Windows has hdr, mac has hdr, wayland has hdr, why the fuck don't you have it? Add it and stop making excuses. The previous excuses were about how redhad was sabotaging x, and now even with your own fork you can't do jack shit.
>>106801737lol at least windows can use multiple monitors without shitting its pants. The only thing not worth using in their current state is xorg based troonix distros, unless the only thing you plan on running it on is a stinkpad from 2012.
>>106801695It’s random pro-wayland hyper-zealotry talking points. It’s not true.It’s a last-gasp desperation measure to save wayland.I think it should be saved as a containment area for the waylandeers.Gnome is one of the worst and crashiest desktop environments I have ever used.It’s astounding how anyone could think it is on the same tier as ios, os/x or windows, nextstep, or probably haiku or beos. I been using the first three continuously for as long as they’ve been around.
>>106799740The accuracy of this thing is incredible. On a semi related note what does KDE use this days on a fresh install RAM wise? does it still have all of those services running in the background? Genuinely asking - haven't used a DE for so long now - just curious
>>106801772wayland is going to go the way of systemd, and the people crying about it like (you) will either adopt it or fork some distro to run xorg on and then cry about it here alongside the 5 people still complaining about systemd in 2025
>>106799704Outside of all of the warring, has anyone actually tried this yet?
>>106801823>wayland is going to go the way of systemdSo you admit that wayland is a cancer?
>>106801823> 5 people> cryingHilarious, absolutely oblivious to reality
>>106801810around a G - more than a windows ltsc/server install without defender antivirus
>>106801810I use xfce so I'm not fully sure since I've only used it for a bit, but from what I've seen, kde these days is actually pretty close to xfce ram wise. They've done a good job of optimizing it over the years. I still found xfce to be more snappy though and run better on older hardware, but on anything remotely modern I doubt you could tell the difference.and yeah it still has a bunch of retarded shit running in the background.
>>106801871>>106801875Thanks
>>106801834>stoppp making troonix usable, my hecking unix shitlosophy !!!>>106801861yeah keep coping fucktard. The entirety of the loonix world is on systemd for a reason outside of the handful of people on fartix/devuan. Even gentoo users are quite often on systemd these days.
>>106801743> Windows has hdrThis doesn’t quite make sense, as I said.Windows has only has desktop compositing since vista I think. However, even older windows supports HDR in specific applications, like video playback and video games. So does X.It would not support it in windows icons, desktop backgrounds, buttons, etc. and it’s not necessary to do do because that is not HDR content to begin with.What has to happen is X core drawing primitives, bitmap formats, etc have to be extended with a 32-bit colour model. Windows itself was extended with 32 bits, but it’s not used very much because virtually no one needs hdr or extended colour models on buttons.
>use two screens>linus shits itselftime to get a job, sweatie, and move out of your moms basement
>>106801904My coping level is below zero. Couldn't be more relaxed. Enjoy systemd and wayland anon have a good time.
>>106801969THANK YOU CHUD IM ENJOYING MYSELF VERY MUCH BUT IM ACTUALLY ON X RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DONT NEED WAYLAND WITH MY CURRENT VERY BASIC SETUP
>>106801827I’m the guy trying to explain how hdr works.I was using wayland and gnome on a laptop because of Ubuntu for about 5 years now.Ubuntu’s package management committed suicide, and partially killed gnome (for the second time) so I just installed Xorg, a window manager, ran xinit and went from there.Everything is running fine as before, except remote X works now.Next step is I’m probably going to turn off compositing (if it is on) because I don’t need that either.I mostly write code on it, attached to two monitors, but does video, video capture, and stuff just fine.
>>106801875>but from what I've seenthat one schizo spammer here on /g/?not at all.
>>106801768I've been using multiple monitors on linux for like 20 years now. Dunno wtf you're talking about.
>>106801996lmao
>>106801969Systemd ain’t that great.It was the only identifiable cause of complete server lock-ups for several years at work with hundreds of paid-up redhat linux servers.Dbus is another thing that probably doesn’t need to exist.Systemd is the equivalent of the much-hated and unnecessary “service control manager” in windows.I’m not aware of any dbus equivalent.osx had some kind of systemd equivalent, launchd, and I pretty sure it’s worse than systemd. So systemd isn’t the absolute worst thing, but the general idea if systemd is universally bad (and unnecessary).
>>106802015Good to hear. I'm hoping/expecting that Parabola will adopt it soon over xorg. I'm pretty much in exactly the same boat as you usage wise more than coding though but in keeping stuff simple. Seeing as xorg is now just in maintenance mode Im hoping/expecting xlibre to come in to the repos officially soon across the board. Might give it a whirl myself ahead of time.
>>106802083Totally agree with you. Still using OpenRC, For a while I tried to use things without dbus and its completely doable except when it comes to notifications. Even using dunst for example still relies on libnotify which relies on dbus. In my particular case I found a way to use something called herbe which handles notifications without dbus and for the one thing few things I need notifications for xmpp neomutt etc I was able to use it. But dbus just makes its way in as a dependency on so many things. hyperbola really has it down when it comes to removing shit that just isn't needed. but they're too extreme imo to be actually usable. No Libva no libpurple etc etc but I admire the principle.
>>106802132> xorg is now just in maintenanceThis is a good thing. I sometimes have to look at the XOrg changelogs and am generally appalled at whats going on in there. And in other software that doesn’t need to change, like RCS which is ancient.I wish they’d stop fucking with it. X itself is and has always has been extensible, so there is little need.In that way, a lot of what the xlibre guy did I thought was probably unnecessary. If he wanted to extend it with 32 bit colour and pass those to the drivers, that’s fine, but it looked like mostly meddling.Don’t touch code that isn’t broken.One day, a bunch of pro developers may get into Xlibre and make it the go-to, but I’m staying on XOrg for linux, Windows, and Mac for now… and on older systems, XFree86 is still the thing.
>>106802240You do make a very good point there actually. Very good.
>>106799704how to I get it for arch
>>106801495.t wayland shill 10 years ago.
>>106801904>stoppp making troonix usable, my hecking unix shitlosophy !!!Wayland actively breaks existing use cases because it's a broken half baked piece of shit, the clearest example being anything to do with accessibility
>>106801315people aren't
>>106799704>Security Nightmare.You're retarded to even mention this peace of shit in 2025
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>>106800582will it make you look like the girl on the box?
Most of the problems with Xorg were solved long ago by OpenBSD's developers. Xenocara is by far the best implementation of X11 and probably the best display server going (including other OSs). But UNIX-based OSs are all retarded and shove a ton of shit that should be done in kernel space to userspace. Which is why we've ended up with so much cancer like systemd, dbus, polkit and the various shitty wayland implementations on Linux.None of the above solve the problems they claim to solve. It's all horrible code from big corporate organizations like IBM with the only goal being control over the ecosystem. EEE in action. Anyone that praises that kind of garbage is either a shill or an idiot.OpenBSD's developers have been trying to get their patches merged in mainline Xorg for over a decade now. Red Hat refuses to accept them and a bunch of them can't even work in Linux because the kernel refuses to implement a lot of security features. That's the same reason why all the other UNIX clones do not have things like pledge and unveil. Despite both solving most all of the problems shills like to fear monger about.Then there are things like HDR which aren't even really improvements and are mostly marketing ploy to sell hardware upgrades to people that don't need them. Last I checked there still isn't an agreement on HDR standards. Regardless, it isn't something hard to implement. There have been patches for HDR support for Xorg for years now. Same issue: Mainline refuses to accept them.All these people pushing wayland always say the same talking points knowing they aren't true. Wayland has been a huge waste of time and effort. X11 is never going away either. You will always need it unless you're using a tablet or locked down piece of shit like a Chromebook type laptop.The real future of UNIX desktop is Arcan/A12. But like many other good projects it doesn't have a massive shilling campaign behind it. For example, s6 and ska-bus from the same developer.
>>106803640No, he will never be a woman, let alone a little girl.
>>106799704>any program can live record your whole session in stealth, input and visuals>eats significantly more power than wayland compositors>shit latency>no hdr>no fractional scaling>no vrr>no multimonitor>4k lags>the codebase is a massive mess that is impossible to modify without causing a regressionkeep the cope going, chuddie!
>>106803774>>the codebase is a massive mess that is impossible to modify without causing a regressionall boils down to this excuse doesnt it>we're not good enough to fix itwhich is fine, go do your own thing and use that. but when you come in here and shit on the foundational program that you're standing on the shoulders of... damn thats pathetic
>>106803742>Then there are things like HDR which aren't even really improvements and are mostly marketing ploy to sell hardware upgrades to people that don't need themOh and before some faggot tries to twist my words I'm all for extending the range of color on LCD panels. I've been using 10+-bit depth for over two decades now when mastering and editing video (if I had a source that would benefit from it). But I don't want to have to support 10+ different HDR "standards" from various manufactures then have to figure out how to make those work with 3+ different types of GPUs with closed source drivers that require doing voodoo and praying to get them to spit out proper output to multiple devices.What I find most frustrating about wayland, dbus and systemd isn't the garbage code or the idiots that don't know any better praising it. The worse part is the shilling campaigns and the underhanded tactics being used to force them into existing projects as hard dependencies. When 99% of the time when you force those applications to compile without them or fake the existence of something like dbus they run just fine. At worse they spit out some error to console crying about not being able to find it. I've only found like two applications that actually require things like dbus and they work fine anyway. Libreoffice is one of those applications and the only thing it loses is context menus. Why does it need dbus for that? Who the fuck knows. Probably because the code is garbage. I just use emacs instead.These shills never want to argue in good faith so arguing with them is always a waste of time. But they've overrun most mainstream discussion channels long ago and hold moderator positions. It isn't enough that they post lies they have to silence everyone that disagrees with them to. To the point where you can't even announce a project anymore that doesn't use whatever it is they're shilling.
>>106803774>>any program can live record your whole session in stealth, input and visualsLie>>eats significantly more power than wayland compositorsLie>>shit latencyLie>>no hdrLie>>no fractional scalingLie>>no vrrLie>>no multimonitorLie>>4k lagsLie>>the codebase is a massive mess that is impossible to modify without causing a regressionLie
>>106801743Shut the fuck up zoomer.If you don't stop dissing us we will come and kill you. You didn't build any of this stuff.
>>106803789They like having always on daemons like dbus so they can hack it.They take over channels because they are paid to do so by the US Government to keep control of everything. Full Spectrum Dominance programme.The only option is to kill them.
Who the fuck need HDR and multi monitor
>>106801284This video contains a few valid points about some of the specification implementations, such as >relative vs absolute>the marketing of HDR as an enhancement for existing content instead of a larger container for new content>the impossibility of creating a perfectly replicable image when displays are all over the place in terms of compatibility and tonemapping)and the rest of it is disingenuous bullshit: >using pre-clamped SDR content to prove HDR doesn't actually use its gamut (it depends, natural environments won't but a cityscape might with its artificial lighting)>complaining HDR doesn't use "all its data" (not everything on screen will be at 10,000 nits), then putting an SDR image into an 8-bit HDR container and complaining it's banded>the entire retarded "sizzle" idea which already exists in the form of AutoHDR>garish garish garish garish garishIt's a dumb video. Agree with him about the stupid decision to make it an absolute system, and luckily, that's already being ignored by pretty much all implementations, which will scale HDR content brightness with a baseline "SDR white"
>>106799717Majority of the users just don't have monitors with HDR functionality so who gives a shit.But also, from what I remember seeing devs of Xlibre will look into it when they will end all the cleanup/security patching job but again, it's not really a priority and more of an overused non-argument from Wayland subhumans.
>>1068054792025 has been a fantastic year for HDR on Linux, with both Plasma adding a calibration tool and GNOME actually getting it. MPV has native support for it, and just yesterday I saw that Brave was displaying my "Ultra HDR" artwork properly instead of just the SDR part. So I like to think there is a non-insignificant demand for it.I look forward to Xlibre's development. More options are always better, and Wayland has some... interesting philosophies that deserve to be challenged.
