> No closed source
>
> Once you wrote some code, you're free to decide to keep it private, or publish it openly, or disclose to a limited group of people to perform some further work on it, as long as you take those people as your fellow collaborators, not users.
>
> However, if you decide to give your program to anyone to use, you must first publish its full source code, openly.
>
> Please note giving the sources together with each copy of the program (as, e.g., demanded by GNU GPL) is not sufficient here. Only open publication works.

>>106817357
too much of a coward to publish his stance on ukraine I see

> No external dependencies
>
> The No external dependencies! page explains this topic in more detail,
>
> but to be short, external dependencies can be build-time and run-time. So here's the rule:
>
> the only acceptable run-time dependency is the operating system kernel;
> the only acceptable build-time dependencies are the compiler, the make utility (GNU Make or Posix Make, but nothing else) and — well, to some extent — standard libraries. Okay, presently this only means plain C standard library.

>>106817386
This is not /pol/, this is /g/, a technology board. Go back.

> No Rust 'Programming Language'
>
> The single exception mentioned in the preamble appears to be the Rust language. No explanation will ever be provided on why we deliberately and permanently prohibit this bastard for any possible uses, as well as boycott everybody who make public statements Rust is (or even may be) somehow useful. Rust community is a dangerous sect, and like all sectarians, rusters love to argue. No guys, we won't feed your hunger for arguments, and won't waste our time entertaining you with any discussions. You did too much harm to the civilization already, and you're going to do much more of it. We won't help you.

> Languages of choice and the coding style
>
> Nowadays, there are only two programming languages that, with a lot of notices and limitations, can be used as general-purpose languages; they are plain C and C++.
>
> This doesn't mean we like them.
>
> We may even hate the two langs, and we can tell a lot of bad things about them.
>
> Alas, the two are all what we have.
>
> We limit plain C (roughly) to what was in C89 plus the long long type, and we seriously limit what can be used from the standard library. We limit C++ to what was in the language before the very first standard, because the very first C++ standard, C++98, was way too horrible already, and we fully deny any use of any parts of the C++ standard library.

> No multithreading (and shared memory)
>
> Yes, multithreading is not allowed. Furthermore, it is not allowed to create any mutable shared memory (there's no problem with sharing a memory section in case it is read only for all processes; actually, it is exactly what happens with executable code when several processes run the same executable binary).
>
> If you're going to explain how efficient it is to use shared memory, then don't. In reality, nobody bothers with any practical demonstration of the fact multithreading is really needed for efficiency reasons, and in most cases, if not all, from the user's point of view, multithreaded programs freeze every now and then, primarily because of cancellation points.
>
> So no, don't even think about multithreading.
>
> General purpose programming languages that support multithreading either within the language itself, or within mandatory part of the runtime library, are forbidden.

>>106817357
>>106817401
>>106817393
How about he fucks off with his manifesto full of telling other people what they can or cannot do. The audacity to call others a sect with an attitude like this of his own, lol

>>106817498
rustroon seething lmao

>>106817428
>no MT
this sucks very fucking hard
simple example: reading from hard drive.
you put the reading part in one thread, the parsing part in another, a nd with a little bit of luck your parsing costs you 0 run time because all that happens while yourez fetching the next parcel of data

my opinion is that the solution to dogmatism isnt more of it

>>106817515
This guy was a teacher in one of the best universities in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_State_University), I think he knows bit more than you.

Also, please reread this:

> If you're going to explain how efficient it is to use shared memory, then don't. In reality, nobody bothers with any practical demonstration of the fact multithreading is really needed for efficiency reasons, and in most cases, if not all, from the user's point of view, multithreaded programs freeze every now and then, primarily because of cancellation points.

>>106817529
teachers are failed academics
obv he has to know some shit to get there
but i take my experience straight from the trenches over his theory when these two conflict

also its a non argument.
authority arguments are always non-arguments

>>106817529
>>106817554 cont
btw
what i described is the mechanizm of latency hiding, a key feature of gpus, applied to the host device
gpu makers know more about throughput than this guy

>>106817576
>gpu manufacturers

Corpfags. Please read the manifesto:

>Big corporations have their own interest in forcing all the stupidity into standards and technologies. First of all, they are really fond of selling us more and more “powerful” computers, which we actually don't need as we generally use them for the same tasks as 30 or even 40 years ago. Second, and even more important, they really want to know us better. Much better, to the extent we even don't know ourselves that good. They want to know what we buy, they want to know what we eat, they want to know what we do, what we say, what we think, what we feel. They call it “tracking” and “telemetry”, but naming every thing its own name, this is spying and total fascist surveillance.

>>106817529
>muh he had a good job so he has to be right
bruh you didn't have to smack that towel in that hard

>>106817584
>Please read the manifesto:
The bits you've pasted are already enough of a proof that this isn't worth anybody's time

>>106817604
Are you the same rustroon who got mad over this?>>106817401

>>106817584
results speak for themselves
latency hiding allows you to do (some of, but up to 100% of) your compute at zero cost

i do c anon
im a programmatic anarchist
i will never accept *any* amount of dogmatism.
i dont give a shit about good practices for beginners
if you want me to adopt, or stop doing something
you better argument it properly

>>106817615
>if you want me to adopt, or stop doing something
>you better argument it properly
You mean you expect anything more than
>My word is gospel and I won't argue about it
?

Cringe, the cringe manifesto.

>>106817692
shocker, ikr?
in tyotl 81*25 this must come as intellectual extremism

This is dumb, if your program needs to process media you won't implement codecs from scratch, you #include ffmpeg.

I love corpos
I love the Russian war of liberation on Ukraine
I disagre with this dogma faggot also

What is his stance on DOMINATING young girls?

What is his stance on DOMINATING young girls?

Is it true Russians strip the flesh off of ukranians, like pigs. Using seashells?

gnu raping a loli child.

>>106817401
hahaha Rustrannies in shambles

Is he loco for loli?

>>106817367
What are his thoughts on PaX/Grsecurity?

>>106817357
a lot of his points are interesting, but I do not really agree with the points on SSL/TLS and cryptography.

imo, SSL/TLS are a neccessary evil. sure, they are extremely complex, but how else are you gonna make sure you can swap out insecure algorithms on the go without having to update the software or publish a new spec with the newer algorithms?

or I may just be retarded.

>>106818609
Nexuz/Xonotic does it without SSL/TLS.
But does use the GnuTLS library for the algo
(you can swap in whatever other crypto library you want).

Do Russians strip the flesh off of ukranians using seashells and then eat them like pigs, btw?

>>106817357
He is free to do as he pleases in his projects.
Just like everyone else is free to do as they want, and to look at him as a pretentious asshole, just like Stallman.

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>>106817357
He frequents linux.org.ru (under the name Croco) where I hung out years ago, and the guy is a retard and is considered by many there to be a retard.
One of his schticks I remember is he made his book PDFs non-textual, so you couldn't search them, reasoning that he didn't want modified copies around. Like who would fucking modify your shitty PDFs, you retard nigger.
He has no business being named in the same league as RMS, let alone be compared to him, he is simply a schizo cnile lolcow who a lot of people pointed and laughed at on a famous russian forum because of his le based takes and the fact that he is an actual professor in Moscow. That's the end of the story pretty much.

I cannot take a russian seriously if he is not raping a young girl. These are not serious people.

>>106818713
Should we kill him for opposing Ukraine?

>>106817529
Those that can't make it in the business, teach.

>>106818730
What should be done to him?

>>106818730
Wasn't it funny when he was booted from linux?

>>106818662
from what I've seen, Xonotic and Nexuiz use hardcoded ciphers. Xonotic uses AES-256-CBC and HMAC-SHA-256. Nexuiz uses HMAC-MD4 (I may be incorrect about this one).

so, my point still stands. if the algorithm in use gets broken, you'd need to update your protocol to use a newer and more secure algorithm.

>>106818790
You're incorrect. both Xonotic and Nexuiz use the same cipher (AES 256 or 128 (there's an option IIRC)).

I know this because I'm the one that asked for the feature and sent cash in envelopes to Divverent in Germany (something am main) for it to be done.

The reason for the feature, I stated was "so people may communicate privately regarding overthrowing European states". And since Divverent was a college student at the time this motivated him.

The real reason was the rule of cool, however.

>>106818713
he's not a cnile btw

>>106818816
alright, they use secure ciphers atleast, but again, my point on if AES somehow gets broken, you'd still need to update the protocol to a newer secure cipher.

also, they do use AES in CBC mode, which is ehh. there are better modes out there.

>>106818837
Oh yeah, probably not in the direct sense. Now that you said it I remember his butthurt over the new iterations of C++. Not that he is wrong or nothing, but iirc his worldview and talking points can be summarized as a cnile who successfully switched to C++, but hates the committee and hates everything new in general. Again, not that he is wrong to feel that way, but he's just mentally stuck somewhere in the 80s.

>>106818837
im confyouz
do you call him cnile like the tranies call all C programmers- cniles
or do you call him pejoratively cnile bc youre a c-ultist yourself?
you still shouldnt fukken do that
you pass for a trany

>>106818946
>alright, they use secure ciphers atleast, but again, my point on if AES somehow gets broken, you'd still need to update the protocol to a newer secure cipher.
The US govt wouldn't have christened Rijandael as AES if they didn't have a counter to it: sidechannel or otherwise.

If it gets broken, you Zoomers will just have to wrap it all up in another blanket of encryption. I don't know how to "fix" it (and I wouldn't trust my maths even if I did "know" (or thought I knew)). Divverent did and I trust his programming when he was a college student. But he works for GOOGLE now for decades and is brainwashed by them and is pro-trans apparently: so I wouldn't trust his changes to crypto. He did it right the first time.

>also, they do use AES in CBC mode, which is ehh. there are better modes out there.
When it was impemented, stream was seen as less secure, and CBC the correct choice. I agree with that. I'm glad he did it the way he did.

I kinda hope he comes hunt you down for dissing him. As a brutal TRVE GERMAN: and stops this gay tranny belief system he's fallen into "tolerating" since he joined america (his people's enemy)

>>106818946
Why do you call it "they".
If I _asked_ for the feature, and the feature was done only because I _asked_, and discussed with a specific dev (and the other devs did NOT want this feature so we had to trick them with arguments; and we did so) ; and I paid cash when it was being implemented, stuffed in envelopes to Germany (was it frankfurt am main?)...

how is it "they".
I was part of that too.
I was a but-for cause.

If I didn't ask, plead, conspire, and pay: it would not have occured.

>>106819041
Hi, who dis?
New phone.

I do C too.*
An am around 40 yrs old.
Am I Cnile?

*for Quake1/darkplaces engine mod, you know the one.

>>106819041
i just have a definition of this word in my head and if i see a usage of this word that doesn't match with my definition - i say about it (idk why actually)

in my head, this word means "a dude who can only write in C and brags about it every day". but he can write not only in C

that it

>>106817401
based but j*va has done x100 as much damage

he sounds like a schizo mentally stuck in the 80s

>>106817357
Ah, Croco has been doing this since times immemorable.
I remember first coming to LOR back before COVID was even a thing, and he was already shitting there with his asswipe-grade book.

>>106819448
Best music was in the 70s and 80s, so he's right.
Also they made little girls drink from their spigots.
Dominating them.

>>106819470
Why don't you beat him up?

>>106819402
Am I Cnile?

>>106819477
Because I live in Ukraine, even back then the most I could've done is send the roaches torvn77 exiled to me back to St. Petersburg.

>>106819506
Why don't you come to the USA?
I don't want you to die.
We need all the C programmers we can get.
You could help with map formats for quake mod.

>>106819506
Since this guy is russian, and is mocking your predicament in ukraine by talking about useless things during war: shouldn't you hurt him?

And bad?

>>106819524
>Why don't you come to the USA?
4chan is enough America for me, thanks.
>>106819539
>shouldn't you hurt him?
Mother nature has already hurt him enough.

>>106819041
>>106819309
>>106819402
To me, a
>cnile
isn't about the ability or knowledge of other langs or programming C all the time, it's just someone who thinks that C is the solution to all the world's programming problems, and that all other langs are overengineered and bloated and slow and we don't need them etc etc.Typically, that would be the older programmers who hold that belief, henceforth the senility connotation.
>>106819506
Jesus, just don't these people here about metaprog or tsar. /g/ couldn't handle it, which makes me kind of miss LOR. Here it's all constant jblow, casey muratori, hare and drama. But it just wasn't the same after they banned anonymous 5 years ago (or when was it) for the umpteenth time and I just quit.

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>>106817357
this just reads like a less extreme version of a lot of the ramblings you'd read in https://www.tastyfish.cz/ especially in the taboos section. I wonder if this guy would be 'too much' for their movement or if they'd get along

>>106819656
>just don't these people here about metaprog or tsar
How the fuck would they hear about it if nobody spread the word?
Also, Vladimir. And torvn77 (motherfucker tried to convince me his vomit scares rats away). And Jollheef, and Tazhate, and bryak, and Spoofing, and many many more.
>But it just wasn't the same after they banned anonymous 5 years ago
They unbanned it circa 2020-2021, then banned it again when the war started, then unbanned it again.
Then Shaman007 resigned, and everyone calmed down.

Commie loser worth nothing

>>106819764
>Vladimir
Kek, holy shit, how could I forget, even now that shit makes me tear up.
>And Jollheef, and Tazhate, and bryak, and Spoofing, and many many more.
That's the magic of that place for sure, all these characters. I certainly learned more about tech from that place than here, because even anon tried hard there. I remember the one who occasionally sperged out about lisp & rebol and knowledge organization, his posts were always filled with a bunch of links and stuff. Can't find this kind of effort from anon here, like ever.
>They unbanned it circa 2020-2021, then banned it again when the war started, then unbanned it again.
>Then Shaman007 resigned, and everyone calmed down.
I see. Well, I never really liked the mods there tbqh, they killed a lot of good discussions. But I think I will just give up this place for a while and get back in there, to see for myself what's up today.
Good luck to you bro.
Sincerely, Vladimir.

>>106819402
dats kinda autistic
i do good in c
but bc i do good in c i dont need to learn a good portion of like 80% of languages there is

im not a c joe
but ok, theres a thing like c joes
who came from js, paiton, sepples, rust, whatever
and taste the absolute freedom c is
and that the language itself rewards care
thats its a feedback loop
bc the more you know c
the more you know the computer
and the more you can extract performance
and then gpu shit
which is c, but asynchronous
it feels like a mini-apotheosis
the knowledge that youre doing shit maybe 1/1000 people can do
maybe even 1/10.000

thats c
its demanding
but its also rewarding
ntm us, the habituals. who just dont care about your bells and whistles bc were doing thing our way anyways

>>106819971
>But I think I will just give up this place for a while and get back in there, to see for myself what's up today.
If you're going back there, can you pass a message to Maxcom for me?

>>106820027
Ok, what's the message?

>>106820073
"I told you man, I told you back in Jan 2022 to migrate LOR outside of russia's jurisdiction! Now nobody can use LOR!"
Or, in russian.
"A я вeдь гoвopил eщё в янвape 2022-гo, вывoди дoмeн из poccийcкoй юpиcдикции! Teпepь ЛOP никoмy нe нyжeн cтaл!"
From Korchevatel.

>>106817386
>too much of a coward to suicide by Kremlin
lol

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>>106820126
A я тeбя пoмню, ты вpoдe был oдним из aдeквaтных : ) He вoпpoc, пepeдaм.

>>106820204
>A я тeбя пoмню, ты вpoдe был oдним из aдeквaтных : )
Пpиятнo, чтo тaким и зaпoмнили. Хoтя я в cвoё вpeмя тoжe бaбyйни нaвopoтил, былo дeлo.
>Джocкe
Taк этo жe мoя aвaтapкa oднo вpeмя былa! Эх, вocпoминaния!

There's a few interesting points there, but how can I prevent an outside party reading any posted data on the wire without TLS?
Oh sure, just let the government know I'm posting this on 4chan, which my government is openly hostile to, that's great. My ISP can just pass the traffic straight into the RIPA systems.

>>106820242
>>Джocкe
Дa, я фoтoшoпил, вceх +- зaпoмнил : )
Зaпocтил в paздeлe линyкc-opг-py,
>linux-org-ru/18103703
Haдeюcь (быcтpo) нe cнecyт.

>>106820349
Cпacибo. A тo я кaк в мapтe 22-гo пapoль вылoжил, тaк и нe пoпpoщaлcя тoлкoм (тoлькo пpocтыню o cитyaции нaкидaл, дyмaл, вepнycь чepeз пapy мecяцeв, кaк вcё yляжeтcя. He yлeглocь).

>>106820266
nothing to hide nothing to fear

>>106820382
Дa yж, жизнь штyкa нeпpeдcкaзyeмaя. Hy ecли eщe чтo нaдyмaeшь oтпиcaть в тoт тpeд, нaпиши cюдa или нa пoчтy 1boi нa пpoтoнмeйл тoчкa кoм.

>No closed source
Based.
>No external dependencies:
>interpreted execution is for scripting and built-in DSLs only
cringe
>languages that have their 'ecosystems', such as Perl, Python, Ruby and the like, are not allowed
what about shell script?
>'semi-interpreted' languages, such as Java or C#, are not allowed
based
>each of your programs must link statically
based
>source tree must be self-containing, all used libraries must reside within it
based
>data not intended to be modifiable by the user, must be bundled into the executable binary
based
>be extremely discriminating with the standard library features
based
>No 'download and execute' (anti)pattern:
>no automated software updates
based
>no client-side scripting, including JavaScript on web-sites
based, but the software must be extendable by using conventions instead (see acme from plan 9)
>No multithreading (and shared memory)
shared memory based, multithreading is retarded take
>No data formats with recursive nesting, such as SGML, XML, [X]HTML, JSON etc.
are you afraid of file systems, then?
>No MIME
what?
>All formal strings and texts must be ASCII only. In particular:
>object identifiers such as file names or tags
ok.
>source code of any programs in any programming languages
nah. i like to write `float Δx = ...`.

>>106820537
>formal elements of markup languages
ok.
>No support for “internationalized domain names” (IDNs)!
ok.
>Unicode support must be limited
retarded take
>No 'utf8 everywhere' assumption
retarded take
>Other ASCII extensions must gain no less support than utf8
retarded take
>No byte-order mark (BOM) in utf8
based
>No unicode-based encodings other than utf8
based
>No support for Unicode diacritical marks
>Generally, no combining of several codes into a single glyph
retarded take, you can have one or other, but not neither
>Unicode emoji no more
based
>No locales
retarded take
>Limitations for cryptography
>No SSL/TLS
>Generally, no 'negotiated' algorithm set in new protocols
MASSIVE RETARDED TAKE
>No global certificate authorities
fine.
>Check the cert but let the user decide
cool
>HTTPS is strongly discouraged, any 'later' protocols are prohibited
i am almost sure this is because russia is getting fucked by everyone else in the world and not because actual tech reasons

>>106820549
>No HTTPS on sites that only contain public information and don't deal with passwords
retarded take. mitm
>No forcing of cryptography in SMTP (email)
retarded take
>Be extensively discriminating on programming languages
based
>Boycott so-called standards and other commitee-made stuff
based, but small composable conventions are cool, it allows extensibility
>Remember a general-purpose language must provide mechanism not policy
UNIX is mostly policy.
>The notion of “standard library” is a thing to get rid of
Like, ISO library? stdio.h, stdlib.h? Ok but.
>The language must know nothing about the operating system
How do you deal with this, then?
>The thinner the runtime library is, the better
based.
>It is better to have a feature in a library than in the language
based
>Garbage collection is intolerable in general-purpose languages
retarded
>There's no such thing as generic data structures
based, but there are generic algos
>No support for multithreading in the language is tolerable
depends on the purpose
>Do the best you can to never let libraries depend on each other
based.
>No Rust 'programming language'
HOLY BASED
>Languages of choice and the coding style
retarded
>Use computing power rationally
HOLY BASED

>>106817357
deranged ramblings of an anti-communist Russian pozzed by Western ideology.
>If something is owned, it should be owned by a particular individual. This is specially important for two things: copyrights on code and communication resources such as mailing lists, web forums, group chats and other conferences.
What a retard.

>>106820592
>anticommie
>literally a retarded schizoid on a tirade about muh greed and muh colluding hardware manufacturers and how we must do with as little waste and need as possible

He's worse than a commie, he's an anarcho-commie.

>>106817357
Everything he said is mostly correct, it's just too idealistic.

It's like creating a perfect language, people are incapable of using it, then they will impose their own imperfections on it, if you have the authority to enforce it, it will only be the official way, not the common way. The only way to make it useful to the masses is to raise them to the level of that language. Even if he can make a change, and we have our computer utopia, normal people will be forced to recreate the current dystopia to fit in, and corporations will corporate and make life worse for their profits. And we'll be forced to interact with it, recreating the same world we live in today.

The current state of the computer world is a reflection of the state of the world, when people were sane and logical, they took good choices, leading to good results. Now if the representative of most of the computer world are literally retards, and sane people are considered bad, what do you expect? It's not just computers, all the world is worse that it was.

But something is better than nothing.

He's more sane than RMS, maybe people should listen to him rather than an autistic communist jew.

>>106817529
I couldn't care less, he's a retard who doesn't understand asynchronous programming and the benefit of threads vs new processes.

still going to use rust
still going to use python
still going to solve problems and make money while cniles with schlomo physiognomies write their seething manifestos

awe sweet a liberal commie thread

>>106819672
Isnt tastyfish the one linking his nudes on his homepage? I never clicked on that, so I wonder if it is real or his really that retarded?

>>106820772
It is.

>>106820780
How do you know?

>>106820655
>commie
where?

>>106817401
I like this

>>106820772
yeah they're all external links. he seems quite autistic about images in general, his wiki has a bunch of graphs which are hard to read cause he formatted them as ascii art

>>106817393
>Russian computer scientist
>russian Richard Stallman

>This is not /pol/, this is /g/, a technology board. Go back.
Yeah that's why you again created a thread about RUSSIAN freetard, assuming we don't have enough of them in other countries.
If he cares about improving something in this world, especially related to freedom, there's a very hot topic specifically for russians, guess which one. Any russian that is not fighting his government as a partisan or in other meaningful way (not hamburger's methods) is a huge faggot, no exceptions.

I agree with pretty much everything in the blog

>>106817515
>you put the reading part in one thread
>there's no problem with sharing a memory section in case it is read only for all processes
Try RTFA

>No data formats with recursive nesting
>1NF
So pointers aren't allowed in data structures? Lol this guy is a fucktard

>>106819448
Maybe the comparison to Stallman wasn't so off after all.

>>106817357
some of it is decent, some of it is retarded

Kill moskals. Behead moskals. Roundhouse kick a moskal into the concrete. Slam dunk moskals into the trashcan. Crucify filthy moskals. Defecate in a moskal's food. Launch moskals into the sun. Stir fry moskals in a wok. Toss moskals into active volcanoes. Urinate into a moskal's gas tank. Judo throw moskals into a wood chipper. Twist moskals heads off. Report moskals to the IRS. Karate chop moskals in half. Curb stomp moskals. Trap moskals in quicksand. Crush moskals in the trash compactor. Liquefy moskals in a vat of acid. Eat moskals. Dissect moskals. Exterminate moskals in the gas chamber. Stomp moskals skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate moskals in the oven. Lobotomize moskals. Mandatory abortions for moskals. Grind moskals fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown moskals in fried chicken grease. Vaporize moskals with a ray gun. Kick old moskals down the stairs. Feed moskals to alligators.

>>106821361
yeah but i actually rather see all hohols dead and parcelled into bacon
and the ruskis buying our apples...

>>106817357
This shit reads like some genuine unironic schizo rambling

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>>106821445
Matter of perspective, I suppose.

>>106821515
hohols are unironically bad people
and thats not a matter of perspective
look at polan
welcomed them with open arms
sent their weapons to help them, risking the russian wrath
and kaliningrad mind yuo, polan borders with rasha
ffwd 3 years
hohols attack polish people, tr y to take over the country

truly, the niggers of europe

>>106817386
You're such a dumb fuck

>>106821543
No, you retarded animal. Muscovites are barely cognitive savages ravaging a land they don't belong in, they will go extinct in your lifetime.
Fifth columnists will get the rope.

>>106817386
>B-but, current thing!
Shut up.

>>106820791
How do you not.

Astroturf thread.
>http
kys

>>106817401
Ah, so that is why nafotrannies are so triggered and tried way hard to slide this.

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>>106817357
We're still talking about this mega autist with zero redeeming qualities? At least RMS does something productive once in a blue moon.