1 KB = 1000 B
1<<10
>>106823638pick a side instead of saging, retard
>>106823765there is no side. nobody is the median because 1024 is a kibibyte
>>106823875tpbp thread closed
A bit is 0 or 1A byte is 8 bits.A kilobyte is therefore 1024 bytes.
>>106824898that logic doesn't follow. 1,000 bytes is 1,024 bytes because a byte is 8 bits?
Storage manufacturer trying to fuck people over again, they're all scum
>>106823502>>1068248981KB is 1000B1KiB is 1024Byou absolute imbeciles
>buy a 2TB drive>it's 1.8 usable TB>money stlen
>>106823875>kibibytenot a thing 1024 is a kilobyte
>>106825441>KiBNot actually a thing that anybody uses.
>>106825441nah its1kb is 1000 bit1kB is 1000 byte1Kb is 1024 bit1KB is 1024 byte our beloved kilobyte
>>106825642kilo = 1000 and your stupid computer isnt redefining it
>>106825737Lol tarded esl thread
>linux: kilo = 1000>mac: kilo = 1000>windows: kilo = 1000 when bandwidth, 1024 when storage>>106823638>1<<10We did this back in the last century because we thought 1000 vs 1024 was close enough and bitshifting was vastly cheaper than doing the correct arithmetic.One thing we never though about was the levels of retardations end-users would fall to.
>>106825780Go back to huffing cow turds pooman
>>106825833u r brainlet
This becomes extremely important when you get to GiB vs GB. GiB is 2^30 = 4,294,967,296 bytes and GB is 10^9 = 1,000,000,000 bytes.A GiB is more than 4 times larger than a GB and it only continues to scale more as the units get larger.
>>106825636When I bought a 2TB disk, I knew that 1TB is 1000GB and not anything else, and I was okay with paying that price for that amount of storage. I don't care about your mental illness and inability to do basic math.
>>106825888It's not important, it's as relevant as bitching about someone writing in fagrenheit instead of celsius, I did a conversion and moved on while brainlets seethe daily.Waa, waaa, I must think!Yeah, no shit, that's the point, it's not illegal to sell things to people who are too retarded for thinking so lets talk about why you should be allowed to buy things without a supervisor.
>>106825846Fuck off turdie pooman
>>106823502>1KB = 2^13 bits
>>106825889>>106825896You earned 2 peanuts and a cowdung pooman, now go away you smell
>>1068258881GiB is 2^30=1,073,741,824bytes. your number is 2^32 which is 4GiB. 1GiB is only about 70MiB bigger than 1GB. it becomes more noticeable into the tebibyte range as 1TiB is ~92.7GiB bigger than 1TiB, and people notice that more than they do 70MiB off of 1GiB
>>106825939>1TiB is ~92.7GiB bigger than 1TiBthan 1TB*
>>106823502K != k if you want to be autistic about it.
>>106825909When you buy "1kg e", it's also not exactly 1000g, but you aren't crying about it?
>be Apple>use base 10 in Finder>use base 2 in System Information
>>106825953Since you're getting into physics, remember that context matters, you fucking retarded clown.
>>106825939>your number is 2^32 which is 4GiBI will take this as a sign that it's time to go to sleep.
>>106825962Which is exactly why 1K=1024B and 1k=1000B :^)
K is Kelvink is 1000ki is 1024B is byteb is bitsimple as
>>106825737Yeah... on base 10, you fucking numpty.
kib != kb
>>106826009>K is KelvinNot in that context you retarded attention whore.
>>106826041Either you fully adhere to SI-units and prefixes or you don't. This isn't Nam, there are rules.
>>106823502>1 KB = 1000 Bthat's really what brainwashed newfags believe, lmao.
>>106826108You can believe whatever you want, all storage manufacturers use this and they don't care if you buy 2TB and cry about actually getting 1.82TiB (equivalent amount).
1000 is a meaningless boundary to a computer, it's only a thing because the European autists in charge of SI are obsessed with the number 10 and get all euro-pissed if you "misuse" their prefixes. Somebody should distract them by pointing out clocks are using 12 hours for half a day, maybe they'd leave computers alone for a bit
>>106823502k = kilo = 1000Ki = Kibi = 1024K = Kelvin
>>106826148Nobody who has a functioning penis has ever said "kibibytes" out loud
>>106826153You posted here just like me, so why would we ever need a functioning penis?
>>106826031Im a human so I use base10, yes.
>>106826142Except for RAM where you get the full amount with the same units. Fucking hypocrites, especially Samsung/Kingston who sell both RAM and storage.
>>106826153If functioning penis is on your mind, you probably don't have to worry about not saying it out loud.
>>106826183RAM isn't storage, mentally ill freak.
>>106826194Then why are you storing my comments in it?
>>106826142gg you are whiteknighting for skimpflation
>>106826205There's no skimping, it says 2TB, you get 2TB, retard.
>>106826146The only companies using 1000 in the context of computer are US-American (WD, Seagate, Apple).
>>106826217not according to Bill Gates
>>106826217selling 2tb earns more profit than selling 2tib for the same price
Computers use the binary system for data storage an processing so it doesn't make sense to try and force the decimal sytem on it when referring to multiples of bytes.Using the decimal system for binary is only ok when you're trying to quickly eyeball a filesize.
>>106826299It doesn't you fucking moron. You can't do basic math, so I'm not gonna bother explaining to you why they didn't just reduce storage slightly to earn more money. Factory cannot produce platters to the byte precision you fucking nigger.
>>106826309Maybe stop using decimal suffixes then, retarded nigger.
>>106826310meds. now.
>>106826319I take 300mg of caffeine daily, anything else that I should add?
>>106826405vitamin D3+K2 unless you live somewhere that's sunny even in autumn and winter
>>106823502No, that's 1kB.
>>106826457It's currently sunny and in about 3 more hours, sun will be perfectly aligned to blind me and make my computer unusable even with blinds.
>>106823875>>106825441corpofags should get the rope >>106825896it was made intentionally confusing so niggers could more easily get away with theft>>106825954nice false equivalence
>>106826268Bill gates is wrong
>>106826471It's not false equivalence, it's legal for 1000g e to be consistently around 950g and there are companies that deliberately always go below 1000g and never above 1000g
>>106826268According to Bill Gates, Covid vaccine is safe and secure.
>>106826183>RAMThey also say Mhz instead of MT/s.
>>106826492Well then I guess the case is closed.That's powerful evidence.
>>106826268>Calls a 10.7TB drive 9.75TBNice math, faggot.
>>106826468hate when that shit happens, if I'll ever have to change my monitor I'll get one with the highest nits I can find
>>106826568nah I'm just gonna go outside
>>106826580idk that sounds pretty dangerous
>>106826009>>106826148>1 KB = 1 Kelvin Byte
>he can't tell the difference between base2 and base10>he can't remember to put an i in the measurement
kib isnt a thingits 1024 because thats how computing works, its 2 bits (and all f its multiplications)2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,10241000 is base 10 which computers dont usemicrosoft and kingston agree with me
>>106827530>>106825737>lets redefine computing just because of autistic grammaryou are retarded, no one gives a fuck about your language and words, computing is objectivist and its 2 bits regardless of your subjective words.>>106826146based>>106826268bill gates is the ceo of computers i trust him
>>106827530>your files cannot have a size that is not a power of two, that's not how computing works
>>106827559>digital computer>digital>digits>there are 10 digits>0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
>>106827568That's actually true, each file on your system takes up a minimum size.
>>106827575Some filesystems stuff multiple small files into a single block these days.
is there any context in which you can't just say kilobyte and it is NOT immediately clear if you mean base 2 or base 10? When talking about RAM, for example, it's always base 2 and no one says "I have 16 gibibytes RAM". When talking about the size of a file, no one wants to use base2, if I wrote a book with a million characters, then the file is 1 MB.
>>106825693works on my machine
>>106827575block size and disk usage is not the file size. block sizes are always base 2 and if I tell you my block size is 4 kb, you know it's 4096 bytes. 1 kb = 1000 bytes or 1024 bytes, but I think this is too hard for autists to understand
what's the point of making up a set of ki, Mi, Gi etc. rather than just assuming that k, M, G indicate 2^10, 20, 30 in the context of digital storage? Why is it so important to have a dedicated nomenclature for 1000 bytes?
>>106827634I don't know, probably has to do something with freedom of speech, because if it was up to me, anyone who types "KB" unironically would get shot in the back of his head while kneeling and begging for mercy.
>>106823502Also this picture is inaccurate, the idiot don't know what we're talking about, the midwit either thinks 1 kb = 1024 b OR 1 kb = 1000, and the enlightened one knows it has both meanings, and the x axis must be scaled so that the intelligent one is at 90 IQ, because you don't need more to understand this.
>>106827634>Why is it so important to have a dedicated nomenclature for 1000 bytes?kilobyte is just kilo- (thousand) byte. the word literally means "a thousand bytes" and always has. it's not the word's fault some americans misused it to refer to 1024 bytesyou're right that in computing, there's no use for a term for 1000 bytes, it's a number with no significance to a computer, so there shouldn't be a need for a name for a grouping of 1000 bytes, but kilobyte is what we got and probably will be stuck with since kibibyte sounds weird
>>106827672It doesn't sound weird at all, the only weird thing is low IQ subhuman niggercattle saying kilo while meaning something else than 1000
>>106827672>in computing, there's no use for a term for 1000 bytes, it's a number with no significance to a computerwhy should an storage manufacturer use base 2 over base 10? 1024 is a number with no significance to storage devices
>>106827677>the only weird thing is low IQ subhuman niggercattle saying 'fly' while meaning something else than an insect
>>106827681i didn't say they should. i'm not one to complain about a hard drive saying it's 1TB when it is, in fact, 1TB.
>>106827634>assuming>assume>make an ass out of you and me
>>106827689Flies adapt to complex changes in microseconds, they learn that human is trying to swat them and when and avoid those situations, meanwhile ameriniggers can't adapt to simple changes in decades.
>>106827700you don't seem to be able to adapt to the fact that the word kilo has got an additional meaning. you are the one struggling to accept change and insist that the word can only have one meaning, the one it always had, and language can't evolve.
>>106827681>>106827692and to be clear, i mean more than KB/MB/etc are less useful in most of computing than KiB/MiB/etc. like i have 16GiB of ram, which is simpler than saying 17.179869184GB of ram, and it'd be quite arbitrary to try to make 16GB of ram, if you even could, since that doesn't divide into any sensible power-of-two chunks
>>106827721kilo- is a greek prefix meaning strictly thousand and nothing else and some anglonigger cope won't change that.
>>106827727NOOOOO leave my ancient greekerinos alone!!!1
>>106827721https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally #2we live in an world where literally literally means figuratively
>>106827721No kidding xister, I love our always fluid and morphing language that allows me to cut my dick off and become a real woman!
>>106827735Keep crying about 2TB HDD showing up as 1.82TB on your explorer.exe, wintoddler, because changing one character is too complicated.
>>106827739Woman also means nothing, literally.
>>106827681>1024 is a number with no significance to storage devicessame goes for 1000.1024 1,048,576 1,073,741,824 etc. are all close enough to their power of 1,000 counterparts that it wouldn't matter to normies so we might as well just use the power of 2 version as the one cohesive convention instead of coming up with new gay shit like kirbybytes that nobody who doesn't wear programming socks will ever use
>>106827744idk what you're talking about
>>106827760>poor third worlder with 500GB disk this is who tells me that KiB makes no sense and KB = 1024 LMAO
>>106827757>just use base 2 in your day-to-day liveyou neets are so far off reality
kibibyte is a tranny unit
>>106827764>ad hominemI accept your concession
kilo meaning 1024 is the only tranny thing about any of this
>>106827634it's entirely so faggots can be faggots about it
>>106827765no need to, you can approximate 1024 to 1000 in your casual day to day use and it won't make a difference
>>106827634assuming always is a bad idea
>>106826694Yes and 1 Kb is 1 Kelvin bit.What is so hard to understand?
>>106827876>implying the function that maps physical units and quantities to letters of the alphabet is injective
1024, so tired of retards
>>106826314Kibi, mebi, etc. had to be invented because people like you couldn't wrap their heads around the binary use of kilo, mega, etc.
>>1068235022^10 is more convenient, cope away but 1 kB = sizeof(char) * 1024.
>>106827781Lol seethe dalit
In person, I always say "kilobyte" etc. to mean 1024 because realistically that's what everyone assumes, but in writing I always use KiB, MiB, etc. to be unambiguous.
>>106828566I don't talk about computers "in person".
>>106823502I fucking hate it when retards use KB and KiB interchangably especially went talking about systems-level programming, doing console homebrew shit I need to be able to tell so I don't brick my hardware.
>>106823502What happens when you attempt to address the upper bits of a 1000B memory?
>>106828785Well it's usually in zoom meetings and shit, but I'm employed so it happens.
>>106827876based ISO autist
1kB = 1000 bytes1MB = 1000000 bytes1GB = 1000000000 bytes1KB = 1024 bytes1mB = 1048576 bytes1gB = 1073741824 byteswhat do you guys think? When talking you can just distinguish between them with the tone of your voice, like "gigabytes" and "GIGAbytes", with the latter being the 2^30 version since it's a larger number.I think this would make everyone happy
I hope you realize how stupid the metric system is.
I hope you realize that amerimutts are braindead and that's why they used metric names for something that's not metric.Maybe they should hang their heads in shame and call KB an imperial kibibyte like they conceded with imperial ton lmao.
>>106829181
>>106829181It's just 1000 in base-2, is that too big brained for decitards to handle?
>>106823502Zoomers wouldn't know there are measurements smaller than MB
>>106823502not using your skibidibytes, zoomzoom, sorry (not sorry).
all fields
Nobody ever talks about microbytes or nanobytes. Oh sorry I mean microbibytes and nanobibytes.
>>106823502It's actually the inverse.All normalfags and tech people know it's 1024B, and it's only midwits who insist it's 1000B.
>>106830519>1024BIt's what I was taught from textbooks in the 80s, there was no such thing as a "kibibyte" or whatever, that shit's retarded
>>106830557It's literally common knowledge. This is what everybody learns first when they hear of the word kilobyte.Freetards somehow like to insist it's not like this, but again, they also insist they are women.
>>106823502I mean yes.KiB is 1024B
>>10682763411 TB = 10 TiBYou are about 10 % off in the 4th order of magnitude between the metric prefix and the binary prefix.2^10 = 1024 (binary)10^3 = 1000 (metric)The fact that we use 3 units of measurement for computers is incredibly confusing in and of itself.1000000000000 Bytes for hardware labels (terabytes),1099511627776 Bytes for software labels (tebibytes, almost always displayed as terabytes),125000 Bytes/s for transfer speed (megabits per second).We should stick to one unit of measurement for consistency, ideally 2^10 with the binary prefix because computers works in binary and the Kibi, Mebi, Gibi does not cause confusion because it's always 2^10 in any context.
>>106830594>FreetardsI have no idea what that has to do with this. I've been a dyed-in-the-wool GNU hippie for twentyfive years, and it's always been 1024 until recently when SI fags pushed for it, and some of the GNU tools started to display either or both.
>>106823765how do you know when someone is saging?
