By buying electric cars, goy
Nuclear power.Solar power until then.
Stop building datacenters for aislop.
Great Depression 2.0 is going to fix lots of things.
>>106830713Shut up luddite
>>106830713No. Build more and use them to fund spending on energy infrastructure which has to be maintained and upgraded anyway.
>>106830673>starting the graph at 0.14gay
Import electricity from China.
>>106830763>>106830743>you vill suffer brownouts und rate hikes und water shortages vhile datacenters use zem up und you vill like it
>>106830673>crying about 19centsyou do NOT HAVE MY SYMPATHY REEEEEEEEE I WANT OFF THIS RIDE
>>106830673https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb6TIWub6KU
>>106830799Build more energy production and you solve that. Bubble eventually bursts and now you've got excess capacity. If you cant expand the grid capacity, you've got far bigger problems coming.
>>106830713They never stopped them mining shitcoins either.
$0.5255 peak rate btw
>>106830890How big is your house that its costing you 400 dollars a month to run the air conditioner??
>>106830763How do you use an energy guzzling datacenter that trains models at a huge loss to fund... anything? These things are only getting built because local towns are giving these corporations tax breaks for "job creation" (5 black people will work as security guards). They're not going to give JACK SHIT to any utility provider. No, the only way infrastructure construction will get funded is by jacking up rates, which are going up already thanks to increased demand from the datacenter your local city council approved after some "campaign donations" from Meta and Google.
>>106830716Will we really get to something like that within the next 20 years?The world right now doesnt seem sustainable. It'll be wild going through something as bad as the great depression with all these luxuries we have.
>How Do We Stop This? government balanced budgets. it'll never happen
>>106830927Haven't you heard? The AI companies are starting to build and buy nuclear reactors because power is getting so expensive.
>>106830927You understand that just because the building exists doesnt mean that operating it is free, right?Someone is paying a mortgage on the property and construction. Someone is paying for utilities. 99% of the time the company using the building is leasing it from the owner, thats taxed. It takes way more than 5 security guards to maintain buildings of that size, they have onsite electricians, plumbers, janitors, general maintenance, grounds crew...Even if the company operating it is losing money, part of the money theyre losing is paying for the building and everything thats required to keep it operating.Plus theyre probably paying like 50 million a year in electricity alone, so that money should be used to fund new infra.
>>106830990>No, your utility bill didn't double - you're just investing twice as much! YAHOO!
>>106830938I dont think its possible. I think something like 2008 but even worse is possible though. We're pretty much back at the point we were in 2005-2007, where you have poor people taking out so much credit that they have no hope of ever paying back, except the debt loads are even higher now than they were then. Being able to finance your ubereats orders should have been a wakeup call to whoever the fuck is supposed to be regulating consumer credit, but i guess not.
>>106830673@grok, how do we stop this?
>>106831056What point are you trying to make here?Im not saying it is being done, im saying it SHOULD be done, because the money exists.
>>106830927Simple, the ai company borrows a bunch of money to pay the power company to build more capacity and when the bubble brusts and can't pay the loan they go bust and the lender takes a hot for their moronic investment in AI but now there plenty of cheap power for anyone looking to start a energy intensive business such, I dunno, bauxite processing for aluminium production which lowers the price of aluminium by creating additional supply.
>>106830911I have an electric pool heater. 600 when it's on kek 350ish when just the pool pump.
>>106830841>just build more and more power plants and fuck the environment and natural resources to death so aisloppers can generate garbage
>>106830716Accelerationists are funny. Losers who are convinced that they'll come out on top, but really they're going to get buttfucked to death.
>>106830673Mainstream Nuclear Fusion. All of the cheap energy from finite sources are running out.
>>106830673obviously by stopping investment in renewable energy
>>106831413The amount of resources that are left on the planet is beyond your comprehension. We could build a thousand nuclear power plants and not even come close to running out of material required for them. The biggest issue in doing so is more about finding technicians to staff them.
>>106831607shortage of workers is because of shortage of investmentnobody want to go to school for something they were watching get phased out
>>106830673Kill Sam Altman
>>106830890>1500 kWh in one monthThat's the average ANNUAL single person household consumption in GermanyI have a PC, server, fridge, stand alone freezer and temperature controlled (1.5°C) chest freezer for my beer kegs and I'm at 2500 kWh annually.
>>106830673terrorism
The damage the Biden years did to this nation is becoming immeasurable
>>106831842are we talking about the same biden that had all time highs for energy production?
>>106830673Investment in more energy infrastructure. Ideally solar, wind, hydro, thermal, and nuclear.
>>106830673Man if only there were some magical way of generating your own electricity at home.....
>>106831774It's all for air conditioning.Americans live in the desert but can't handle even the slightest amount of heat, that's why they never walk or cycle anywhere.
>>106830673If you retards had begun asteroid mining and taken fusion more seriously you wouldn't be scrambling for more power and resources now, we're going to need the entire energy output of the sun eventually
>>106831774American homes are very inefficient and need pre-conditioned air, or they just become a mould paradise. And because a home is an investment, people always try to buy the biggest one they can afford, using a shitload of energy just to prevent it from rotting or becoming toxic for the people inside.Americans also take pride in very inefficient appliances, pretty much the last place on earth that still uses incandescent light bulbs. As a matter of fact, they are proud of this and often just leave them on to "own the libs" or something like that.
>>106831904Blame NASA for shitting the bed with the space shuttle for humans not having a permanent lunas base yet.
>>106830673you don't, bidenflation has permanently damaged the economy and you're just going to have to live with the consequences forever now
>>106831938Why americans claim the inflation was Biden doing when it happened during Covid, when Trump was in office?Remember the stimulus checks? Do you think that printing trillions would not have an effect on inflation?Your government is literally halted because Trump gave too much money to Israel, like, bruhhhh.
>>106831987anything to avoid the reality that the god emperor has no clothes (especially around children)
>>106831058The difference is that now companies expect to be bailed out, and they have citizens united to let them easily purchase political influence. The stock market has been captured by tech companies so completely that they're the only thing propping up the system. A traditional bubble doesn't seem as likely anymore when precedent and regulations no longer matter. The more likely outcome is continuous stagflation as the USD gradually loses reserve currency privileges.
>>106831987Mostly because the democrats can't attack Trump on whatever he did with the economy during covid without shooting themselves in the foot since everything he did are things they'd have done as well and parts of their regular policies even outside of covid are built on a specific kind of messaging that they would undermine by attacking Trump on this issue. The republicans could basically blame it all on Biden because "well of course the democrats just had the government spend money, that's what they do". The democrats would have had to shift their entire their own economic policy communication strategy and their criticism of republican economic policy in order to successfully win the meme war over who caused the inflation. The democrats can absolutely shift tack on these kinds of things but its a big deal when it comes to certain topics. For example during Obama and Trump 1.0 they were extremely focused on global trade with zero barriers. When Trump started putting tariffs they were extremely adamant that "tariff = bad" but then Biden came along and the situation had developed and it was now "well maybe some tariffs goods" and with Trump new wave of tariffs they've moved even further since the rest of the world has started to adapt which means the old Obama era attitude won't come back any time soon. With something like government spending in general, all they can do is call the republicans a hypocrites since the party had championed small government for so long. The democrats will coping and seething for years over this issue because their entire attack strategy was built around a set of policies their enemies have now abandoned.
>>106830673We have to reign in the corrupt oligarchs and their pets anon.Otherwise the biggest scam in world history will continue perpetually.They know this, which is why the are mobilizing everything that can against you.
>>106831987americans are dumb and blame things on whatever president happens to be in office when they notice something happens. when the AI bubble pops trump will be blamed, americans don't really think further than "who is the president right now?"
Build nuclear plants and charge datacenters $1 per kWh. Use that to give free power to all residential customers.>but people will just run ai in their homes!Good. And companies like Google and Facebook can pay for us to do so.
>>106832732>builds datacenter somewhere else insteadlol nice try
Data centers, as a whole including AI, only use like 5% of the US's electricity. AI isn't the reason why the cost of electricity is going up. It's republicans and democrats playing chicken with stupid policies while the aging power grid gets more expensive to maintain every single year because it's a heap of shit that they won't modernize. Biden fucked up gas fracking and oil drilling, so companies turn to solar and other "green" shit. Then Trump comes in and says let's do gas, coal, and oil again and gets rid of tax credits for green shit and then tariffs china where all the solar panels were coming from. Then if the next president is a democrat, which is likely, they'll probably do the same thing biden did. Every president makes the problems worse. It's a bunch of retarded old dumb boomer fuckers who can't stick to a single plan, but run up a bill. Exactly the same thing they're doing with federal debt. Nothing ever gets fixed, but the debt and interest keeps going up and up.
>>106832732>megacorps with CEOs who take meetings with the President are going to pay the bills instead of the taxpayersLOL
>>106831904mmmmm yes i sure do love spending trillions of dollars to set up a vaguely profitable industry and get the same amount of resources that we could've gotten here for cheaper and much easier. and i sure do love spending tens of billons of dollars making a miniature sun that takes 15 years to build and has to be replaced every few years because it slowly destroys itself, never making any return on investment where literally almost every other energy source but antimatter can get the same electricity for so much cheaper.
>>106832732>free stufffuck off commie
>>106830673You don't. Accelerate. >>106830702nuclear power will never happen. More expensive to build, modular reactor projects are proliferation risks and still fail (in the US). This nation is basically buck broken by insane inversion of value(s).
>>106830673Switch from dollars to bitcoin. It's deflationary so things will cost less in the future.
>>106830673put AI grifters in camps
>>106830816Britain should have thrown off its corrupt government years ago and remade it top-to-bottom. you get no sympathy for continuing to lick the boot. Half of these costs are probably going to transgender surgeries and mosque renovations anyway
>>106830816comparing to france is not fair, they got nuclear.>>106830673solar at home, off-grid system with a small battery backup and switch over to line power at night.
so are is the average consumer paying for the big datacenters electricity? this is what it looks like
>>106830673Nuke all AI Data Centers so their slop is no longer burning electricity for four titted monstrosities.
>>106830763and then get rid of the data centers. boom. free electricity for all!
>>106830673Price goes up>demand is increasing>suggests problem is in supply not keeping up w/ demandWhat's happened recently?>nuclear power plants shutdown>hydro dams ripped out of pacific northwest for muh fish>(jokes on them, the silt released when the dams are removed kills EVERYTHING downstream)>can't use nat gas, because oil is evil>can't use clean coal, because coal bad>solar only works 50% of the day, if the sun is out>wind doesn't blow 24/7That's so weird. Remove generating capacity and price goes up.
>>106833390If you aren't generating your own power with solar you will be stuck paying whatever they charge, start buying panels
>>106833445>start buying panelsMy brother and his wife bought a hydro dam in rural Idaho.>99-year lease to sell all power to Idaho Power>lease auto-renews each year>fed by snow melt>it's a gravity-fed annuity that shits money
>>106830673start by adjusting the chart for infation you disingenuous kike
>>106830716What we need is another war
>>106831058wouldn't it be closer to 2001, AI and the internet are alot more intertwined and similar than the housing crisisthe difference is that now the AI stocks are the top stocks and a big percent of even global market
>>106830938Crashes happen when the consumer sector of the working class doesn't make enough average real wage to buy things, leading to the inability for capitalists to realize profit. This leads to a runaway effect of laying off workers, further worsening the problem. This may have already started in the tech sector, though it could just be a short term correction, it's really hard to know unless the layoff wave begins to generalize.If the tech sector stabilizes, I'm betting you can see evidence of a bunch of other looming crises. BRICS challenging US imperialism, climate change, China outcompeting the US in new markets leading to economic stagnation, etc.
>>106830890Is that PG&E
>>106833362Yeah I genuinely don't get why people act like this is so complicated. When this bubble bursts the effort to expand chip manufacturing capacity and diversify the supply chains involved them will still exist and there will be more people with expertise in lithography and chip design, making computer chips cheaper. People often act like the dotcom bubble was just a huge waste of time and money but forget that the fibre infrastructure that was dug down around that time is still operational and will be in use for most of this century. When railways became a thing it resulted in a massive bubble with people building rail lines all over the UK, then it popped because they built way more than they actually needed but they still kept the railways that they needed and it was the backbone of the country's transpiration infrastructure for a century that helped it grow in the 19th century. This isn't like buying beanie babies where if you invest in anything related to it you just end up with a bunch of stuff toys or whatever. You can build a power plant now and when the bubble bursts, guess what, you still have a fucking power plant. It doesn't explode when the data center shuts down.
At first glance, I thought this was a graph of number of open source projects ruined by trannies vs time.
>>106830890That's worse than where I am in Hawaii!
>>106830816More like>milionaire and billionaires refuse to pay their fair share of energy prices, take the ball and go home if they can't burn more fossil fuels and kill us all for a few extra shekels
>>106830673Maybe stop pissing off Canada since you guys buy assloads of electricity from them for what used to be literal penniesI read the terms of the old trade agreements and also the sale of electricity and Canada was getting shafted for everything on all fronts.The US didn't know how good it had it until it was fucking gone tbist of desus. I can't believe you fuckers threw it away.
>>106833871>BRICS>climate changejust shut up nigga
>>106830673stop printing money
