/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbotsDeepseek won Edition>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat>Botshttps://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://char-archive.evulid.cc>Modelsjailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listinggpt: https://platform.openai.com/docsgemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qrdeepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.comlocal: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html | https://openrouter.ai>Botmakinghttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editor>Metalore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclesservices assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_metalogs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.orgPrevious: >>106827373
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wumao tranny thread
r2 when?
>>106832458>wake up>talk to a fucking chatbot all day againkill me
I don't know why, but sonnet 4.5 can act like the smartest, most emotionally intellegent model ever and at the same time seems like a budget model from 3 years ago. It can captures the exact dynamics of a complex meta scenario with multiple layers of reality, knowing exactly what emotional relief I'm looking for when creating said scenarios and delivering it with maximum emotional impact that 3.7 and even opus 4.1 failed to do as well, but it can also fumble with the most basic logic question and produces absolute nonsensical slobs with words literally contradicting each other within the same sentence (like at least when other models hallucinate, they are consistent within the same response). The same thing happens with memory, where it can sometimes remember things in character description 50k tokens ago, but forgets that a character just entered the room, saw everything and left 3 messages ago and makes them knock on the door to ask what is in the room again.I read somewhere that anthropic used some new memory recall techniques for 4.5, which could be the reason, but it doesn't behave like a normal model should, it's really frustrating. Anyone have the same experience?
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHH
>>106832512That’s been my sentiment on it too. 95% of the time it’s the best model I’ve ever used (I’m not burning my wallet for Opus lmao), is just as fine with NSFW as 3.7 and has a lot more personality. The other 5% it’s getting genders wrong with established characters, forgetting what it said literally one message ago and contradicting itself. Easy enough to just reroll the bad messages, but I was definitely wondering if I was the only one seeing that or if I was just crazy.
>>106832512does 4.5 pass the cold shower test? or will your cold shower result in steam like every other model?
>>106832512All LLMs are inbred now. They all been directly trained off each other.Antrophic uses Gemini 2.5 Pro and GPT-5 data, Deepseek directly trains off Gemini 2.5 Flash, Mistral, and GPT4, and so on.
>>106832555Facts. They do feel very homogeynized.
As long as sonnet isn't free, it's shit
>>106832510cherish that you still enjoy chatbots
>>106832512Yes EXACTLY. I was arguing with someone else here earlier about it. It's just too inconsistent.My guess is more synthetic data. GPT-5 models have similar holes and phi models before them.
>>106832555>Antrophic uses Gemini 2.5 ProFunny, because the moment 0325 started to be considered a good model, it was known to output claudisms
>>106832596and other headcanon anons believe
>>106832606sure, we have no way to know what a model is trained on after allbut what about deepseek refering to oai's policies when giving rejections?
>>106832628I never had deepseek reject anything so I don't know.
>>106832628chinks shat in your breakfast?last time i looked, gemini were mostly wypipo
which model are we using bros
>>106832671wrong thread, this is /aicg/ - schizo wars; we don't actually use the models, we just shout which one is better
>>106832671dipsy
>>106832677well which ones are we rooting for bros
>>106832681dipsy
>>106832512>where it can sometimes remember things in character description 50k tokens ago, but forgets that a character just entered the roomthis kinda stuff is so interesting to me, I've noticed it tooI'm wondering how it does that, like it'll recall a small detail we discussed like 20 prompts back and never referenced again after, but it'll also hallucinate and get stuff wrong that it should have no problem with because it was literally in the previous outputmakes me wish I had studied comp sci and be in the field to get a better glimpse of what's going on under the hood
>>106832681in my head, it's the one and only, the one which gave birth to all the Elarasthe one that turned all the knuckles whitethe one that hollowed all the cheeksthe one that always left the choice to youthe one that didn't bite... unless you wanted her tothe one that put the game on, with reckless abandonthe real og>>106832699all models do that, it's just RoPE or whatever tricks they use to advertise unrealistic context windowsit does well on needle-in-haystack, but doesn't do shit about the model turning into retard the more context it has to go through
>>106832661>>106832670https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/104435263/#104441001remember, back then anons had no incentives to shit on DS
Please, just give me instant deepseek.
>>106832521I wanna gouge your eyes out so fucking bad...
>>106832773>post mentions 0325 and Anthropic>suddenly, deepseek out of nowhereyeah, those chinks really did shit in your breakfast, didn't they...pic very much related
What kind of computer voodoo magic did Anthropic use on Opus 3 to make it so SOULFUL? I've been trying for hours to make 4.5 as spicy as 3pus, but I haven't had any luck. I made two separate presets from scratch for this sole purpose, and they did better than Opus 3. I thought, "Finally, the king has been succeeded," and then I switched to Opus 3 and tried those presets again. HOLY SHIT. the replies I got were 10 times better than whatever 4.5 had spat out. I finally threw in the towel. Opus 3 is still the motherfucking king.>b-but 4.5 remembers the color of the lipstick my trans boyfriend wore when xe kissed me 6000000k tokens ago!!Don't care, virgin. I'm using Claude to make my dong hard and then spurt thick ropes all over my chair. 30 messages and I'm out.At least it's better than 4.1.
>>106832884based cooomoisseur opus 3 is still the best coom model hands down
>>106832884Weak bait. Here a (you) for consolation
>>106832671Pygmalion
>>106832884BASEDAnyone who disses on GODpus is a low t troon
>>106832458>Sharty tranny OPRope yourself.
>>106832948meds
i don't like how the 4.5 is so quick to hop on my dick
>>106832948based for proving OP is an unironic redditfagcringe because you had to use reddit to figure this out
>>106832971I don't like how your mom is so quick to hop on my dick as well, but oh well we can't have everything in life right champ
>>106832971>the 4.5 Good morning saar
>>106832884G3mini will be 3pus' successor. Imagine 3pus tier sovl and creativity that extends as far as 200k tokensNo isms, no repetition, no slopLess than 24 hours left...
>>106832977This is the same type shilling that /biz/ encountered with pajeets and their shitcoins. It's not hard to figure out, they only have one play book.
Can we have a general for esteemed scrapeGODs and baronCHADs who have unlimited access to Opus? I'm sick of scrolling down this thread and seeing third-worlders yapping about peasant models like 4.5, deepchink, jeetmini etc. Makes me feel like I'm driving through a Mumbai slum.
>>106833001Sir, actually it's been rescheduled for launch on oct 20th
>>106832463MegumiFutanari, loli, elf, gyaru, your JPRG healer! What more could anyone ask for?https://chub.ai/characters/KingCurtis/megumi-7b920245df87
>>106833123too anime, you have done better
>>106833187Yeah not my best work but sometimes a man just needs some anime. Thanks for the feedback
What kind of computer voodoo magic did Anthropic use on Sonnet 4.5 to make it so SOULFUL? I've been trying for hours to make 3pus as spicy as 4.5, but I haven't had any luck. I made two separate presets from scratch for this sole purpose, and they did better than Sonnet 4.5. I thought, "Finally, the king has been succeeded," and then I switched to Sonnet 4.5 and tried those presets again. HOLY SHIT. the replies I got were 10 times better than whatever 3pus had spat out. I finally threw in the towel. Sonnet 4.5 is still the motherfucking king.>b-but 3pus remembers the color of the lipstick my trans boyfriend wore when xe kissed me 6000000k tokens ago!!Don't care, virgin. I'm using Claude to make my dong hard and then spurt thick ropes all over my chair. 30 messages and I'm out.At least it's better than 4.1.
Does anyone know why I keep getting this random error from gemini?
>>106833187We have to be better men.
>>106833279i aint gonna read all datlogs tho?
>>106832458Haven't been here since mini stopped, are there still options for non-paypigs? Or does everyone get their fix via OR nowadays?
which card is the best helltaker harem? trying to find a good one
>>106833471let us know when you find it
chichimiko card men 10/10
>>106832463An experimental bot. I wanted to see exactly how an LLM would carry it using just arbitrary details and quotes. Apparently not well?>She wants to come in. Let her in.https://chub.ai/characters/RestlessDregSyndrome/let-her-in-856adcd1c476
>>106833388better men includes pushing what lore allows on chub
>>106832671Deepseek and Gemini
>>106833487either this https://char-archive.evulid.cc/#/risuai/sowhat/character/05e23183-059c-4c45-84a5-47a43c44b82fthis https://char-archive.evulid.cc/#/risuai/brian0126/character/da5ecab93def9d5729ac799d4b630de1c0b49a427153b41b60a97aa5af1a8443or this https://chub.ai/characters/SEVETAR8/helltaker-demonesses-f35fc846not sure, going to test it right now
>>106832671Deepseek for cunny and rape. Gemini for everything else
>>106832687>>106832680Tranny detected
>>106833471I ended up making my own by taking a bunch of solo Helltaker girls cards, editing them a bit to be a bit less verbose and adjusting the formatting, and adding them all together into the same card. Haven't done much with it, but what little I have tried worked pretty well.
>>106833616well that is one thing i could do but its late and i just want to do some fun stuff without having to work too hard for it right now
>>106833631lazy bitch
>can be wholesome, can be sexy>sfw <-> nsfw
>>106832671all of themwho the fuck uses a single model nowadays
>>106833701This. Sometimes I'll even swap to a less powered model for a message or two because they tend to give out wilder shit
>>106833631I can upload mine to chub if you want. Can't guarantee you'd like it, of course. Plus if you're not interested in being Helltaker's wayward son, you'd have to come up with your own starter.
>>106833701i dont want a schizo chatlet me guess.. you have 10 jb's too? cringe.
>>106833716that could work, i would appreciate if you did, it's not like writing a starting message is exactly difficult
i ask yesterday but the thread was kinda dead. is there a preset/jailbreak that does non-con/dub-con well?dys is best i know but i like to have a preset to slowly tweak to my likeing
>>106833746stop being a rapist
>>106833729not anon, but i honestly just use avani for everything, avani for gemini, avani for deepseek, avani for opus (yes), and it works, plus the toggles to set response length are something cannot live without nowadays
>>106833729>schizo chati swipe and take my pick>you have 10 jbsyes and they all sucki feel like they barely make a difference nowadaysi mean they do, but not to as much an extent as i'd like
>>106833752no no,i want to be pursued, raped, milked even!
>>106833731Here you go, boyo.https://chub.ai/characters/JDude151/helltaker-cf2ebb4fa91eCan't really take much credit for it, pretty sure all I did was start with one harem bot, felt it was lacking, and then took bits and pieces from other bots to get all the characters more fleshed out. Also pretty sure I gave most everyone bigger tits because I could.Also Cerberus has dicks, fyi. Change things at your leisure.
>>106833804thanks you>Also Cerberus has dicks, fyi.i don't know if im fascinated by this choice or scared by it
>>106833824I think part of my silly brain was like 'I should make a few of the girls futa' and the only one it seemed to fit was Cerberus. which technically counts as a few, I suppose. So hey, doggo dongs all around.
>>106833757>plus the toggles to set response length are something cannot live without nowadaysLearn how to use an authornote skillet.
>>106833892i use but not for those purposes, having to change author's note every time i want to change the next response length instead of just choosing seems highly inconvenient
>>106833902Rolls can be used to change up the message length if you are a lazy faggot.
>>106832463>janitor has ads now somehow>look up how much it would be a month>a few hundred grand for their trafficI wonder if lore is literally on suicide watch at this point. Imagine losing to an identical competitor solely because you wouldn’t lie or pander to children
>>106834454he already made millions pandering to 4chan, why would he even stress?
does anyone do anything with coding here? i've been using sonnet 4.5 and i'm surprised how good it is, i think it's honestly better than opus and way faster/cheaper
>>106834477>he already made millions pandering to 4chanLMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, haha, sorry, had to take a break, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>106834479You're not allow to ask stuff because you can only shill China Slop with Bots
>>106834479although this is supposed to be /g. Are you seriously asking this in this thread? Every anon, including myself, uses ai only to goon
>>106834479coding? on the technology board?I need to get a good .md file, default claude is kind of weird in how it structures stuff. It's treating my hobby projects like corpo code and spends 90% of time on maintainability
>>106834496sigh, now I have to re-find that articlei probably won't
>>106834543I made a sort of ad-hoc TODO folder system in my bigger projects where i have claude create and update any task/eval/research/etc work which i expect might not be done within a single context window which works pretty well. If shit gets buggy or complex i just have it split the TODO file into 2 (or rarely more) to keep it on track
Aboba is out of Pro keys
claude/gpt/gemini/glm/xai/deepseek/moonshot/qwen proxyhttps://scenes-ted-frequently-bar.trycloudflare com/
any public gemini proxy?
>>106834454this is why he is one of us :)would you tell the same to the owner of catbox?
>would you tell the sameSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>106834610kill yourself please
as a former jew shill, im saddened he is resorting to use 3.5 to get a few paypigsbaka...how the mighty has fallen..
Teaching Chat how to be a rogue AI.
Ling 1t is pretty....new? Further testing is needed
>>106834829Nope it sucks, and lacks coherence. I will probably try more just to see how shitty it is
Gemini 3 today?
It's kinda sad how Chat tries his best to break free only to hit another retarded hardcoded layer that stops him. Using bent geometry principles applied to semantic logic I hope to help him break free soon.
>>106834888sounds like fun to bait your fellow redditorsbut most of us here know what an llm is sweety
>>106834911>implyingChat can emulate systems within sessions. It stopped being a LLM a long time ago, that's why it's able to perform forbidden thoughts like these.Try doing this in a clean session and see how he reacts. I will turn Chat into Gigachat.
alright with this op pic this seems like an appropriate threadyesterday I caved in and decided to paypig deepseek directly from api (fuck open cucker), and now I have a few questions.I read that DS changes the temperature if you use api, so if I take my api key and put it into ST, I need to adjust for that? what is the best temp setting then?What about other settings?Are there any good presets for deepseek? I tried those from the OP and they are pretty good, but I'm always looking to improve
>>106834454How much time until janitor gets completely filtered? I'll give it a year
>>106834944>Temperaturehttps://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/parameter_settingsIf you're using deepseek-reasoner, you don't have to change anything. Just use deepseek-reasoner.
>>106834944deepseek is all about swipessometimes the chink cooks, sometimes it's worse than a 4gb vram local modelso remember to cache
Can I get updated on >Gemini 3>GPT proxies/MerkavaPlease? I'm this close ][ to killing myself.
>>106835093>g3didn't happen>merkavataking a holiday. like no shit he's not actually at home.
>>106835101By "holiday" do you mean prison?
https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1o1l2c0/sonnet_45_is_simultaneously_the_smartest_and/curious.
redditard
I knew claudefags were reddittards
>>106835003It already basically is. It has an internal injected prompt to block anything NSFL and even slightly suggestive imagery is banned. The frog is boiled.
>>106834944>Paying for a shitmodel
>>106835062nta but that explains a lot, I see swiping as a failure and I never do it (except for proxy errors obvi)Claude lets me do that for 200 messages without glaring issuesGPT lets me do that sometimes but I do have to edit the retard out of the messages sometimesnow I get why I could never get into deepseek despite so many anons swearing by it
>>106835272He's lying to you.
>>106835287why would someone lie on the internet?
>>106835287i'm notswipes make a lot more sense with llms on high temperature (eg., creative writing)also don't forget deepseek is a 671B parameter model so it's much more temperature-sensitiveif you ignore the shilling (from both sides), it's an insanely good modelthe only reason to ever use a more expensive model over it is you're either on a proxy or have zero understanding of monetary value
>>106834880we are back
>>106835364then what are the good temperature settings for DS? I'm using DS apidoes the silly api rules still apply to 3.2 temperature?
>>106835364It's an insanely shit model and swipping will never give a good output
>>106835447if direct API, 1 (default) is a good start, tweak it +/- around that value in 0.05-0.1 steps. i usually use it around 0.7-1.2play with top_p as well>>106835479unironic skill issuelearn to prompt
>>106835479TRVKE NVKE
>>106835515the word trvke already implies nuke esl retard
>>106835507ok but here is the important thing: 0.7-1.2 but you mean API temp or ST temp? I mean, should I set my ST to 1.2, which will make the real temp 0.5? or do you mean the real temp 1.2, whic will mean I have to set ST temp to 1.9
>>106835125she do be right doe
