>>106836067
as long as i can install it on old hardware i don't really care. fuck microshit, but linux looks even worse. 2025 and still every distribution is amateur garbage.

>>106836067
They want people to stay on Windows 10 so they pay $30 for updates.

>>106836067
so that all the telemetry they scrape can have a name to go with it, it's worth a lot more that way

>>106836067
kek, don't worry your personal info wont leak :))

>>106836075
>old hardware
>not using Loonix
Nice b8

>>106836067
>Why Does Microsoft Want Everyone To Register Accounts?
Why is Windows free now?

They do it because they know you can’t go anywhere else. What, you’re gonna go to mac or linux? pffft

>>106836067
>Will Linux ever get it together and rescue us from Windows telemetry apocolypse?
Never underestimate the insanity of windows users, they would probably rather go back to XP and do crazy workarounds than switch to a sane os.

>>106836204
For me, it's IOT LTSC 2021.

Linux already has what you want, just choose one of the 100 different distros and pray it works with ur hardware

>>106836067
>Why Does Microsoft Want Everyone To Register Accounts?
Big data/Data harvesting. It has been that way for a decade now.


Also, Ctrl + Shift + F3.

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>>106836067
>Will Linux ever get it together and rescue us from Windows telemetry apocolypse?
It already did.

>>106836075
>fuck microshit, but linux looks even worse.
Linux has been FAR superior to Microsoft ever since Windows 8 dropped.

>>106836131
>They want people to stay on Windows 10 so they pay $30 for updates.
Free in my CONTINENT + I would not update in the first place.

W10 IOT LTSC 2021 + OOSU10 + OpenShell makes MS Pajeets seethe.

>>106836067
Communism.

>>106836067
I can't be the only one who struggles to imagine western devs willingly complying with this, right? Am I mistaken here? Somewhere they have to be using their jeet teams and jeet managers to make these kind of decisions. Or are they actually this retarded?

You Know Why

>>106836067
If you are already using Windows and not creating a custom iso with all these requirements removed as well as bloat, telemetry, copilot etc disabled. You probably are already logged in and this won't affect you anyways.

A some point Windows will reach a critical mass where you will have to make a decision to go full normie with your data if you want to use windows or switch to Linux or BSD.

>>106836119
obsessed

>>106836067
If true, I'm going back to Linux. Gaymes are a waste of time anyway.

>>106836067
>Will Linux ever get it together
Linux is already much better. Try out Linux Mint. Problem is that a lot of people are drones and will continue to use Windows until they are forced to use some other OS. Most of them don't even know what an OS is.

>>106836075
Lmao this is cope for being to stupid to run linux and too poor to buy a mac. Zero reasons to use windows unless your work puts it on your workstation

>>106836067
Their entire OS is held together by people not being able to use like 3 programs and some kernel AC video games on Linux.
You can use MS office in a VM or just in a browser or use google docs/Libre Office, Linux has actual video editing programs available at this point.

Anyone choosing to be held hostage is doing it of their own volition, just install a barebones W11 partition to use exclusively for a few things and then run most of your life off of Linux pain free.

>>106836067
you are the product they sell

>>106837220
Proton is thing.

>>106836067
>Why dis Microsoft want everyone too register accounts?
To gathee personal data. To turn home Windows into software as a service by forcing Windows machines to depend on a central online server.
>Will Linux ever get it together and rescue us from the Windows telemetry apocalypse?
You can install and start running Linux anytime you want. You just won't because you're weak-minded and addicted to convenience.

This means W12 will be a cloud/subscription service, they're trying to get users out of the mindset of local computing.

>>106837839
it'll be interesting to see if they win this tug of war. apple seems to be giving their power users more local compute than anyone else in the consumer space. but, microsoft has lost a big ideological battle on this front already with xbox gamepass.

what would you do if microsoft fucked off out of consumer electronics completely? business machines only, leave the consumer hardware and software to apple

>>106837897
Continue to use steam os like i am already do.

>>106837897
If apple would become dominant in OS space it would be so fucking over.

>>106836067
Surveillance.

>>106836067
>can't install an OS without a phone number

>>106837961
it's already the case, everyone using windows wishes they were using something else, and most people dont know about linux

>>106837971
Normies are bane of software.
I used to like Windows for what is worth it was good up until 8 shown up and now with 10 being dead completely 11 is just so bad that you can't basically do anything without microsoft knowing about it. I ran fiddler on my parents computer they have W11 and it's just hell even with everything turned off and tons of patches to turn off telemetry and AI it still opens connections to microsoft servers after doing basic search or saving files. It's just insane to even touch this.

>>106836119
this is the kind of rote parrot shit you deal with when loonix niggers get involved. but still they cant manage to deliver a nice distribution. just stale memes. foul bachelor frog haha

>>106836067
Mandatory government ID.
It's already unofficially linked with phone number as intermediate
>Need to use State/National ID to buy a mobile number
>Need to use mobile number to register for PC account (iCloud, Google Account, Microsoft Account).
When you create one, you might not need to put mobile number. But, the newly registered account WILL store your mobile number. Link it to your ID behind the scene.

>>106836150
Newer PC with faster processors = faster time to track your usage.
The performance boost from new gen CPU/GPU is less than actual one since there are now more processing units allocated to more telemetry, diagnostics.
Also reminder that CEO nadella literally insult users that can't update because old PC, to stop being a miser poorfag and get a new PC for W11

>>106837897
they won't yield
>Other competitors will be more than happy to gather M$ exodus
>pirated Windows like this >>106836405 is allowed, Microsoft rather have users use pirated Windows than them migrating to other OS like MacOS or ChromeOS
The reason M$ become bold on these anti-consumer move:
>no threatening convenient alternatives yet (linux will be, but still not ready for full take-off yet)
>other competitors went full rolling updates, less customization more central control (MacOS & ChromeOS), MS have to join to reap the opportunity. It's the same tactic with how Nintendo raised the game price to $70, XBox & Steam follow suit soon.
>but the real reason is pajeet incompetence (rolling beta dev updates = users being beta testers FOR FREE)

>>106836067
So they can then tighten your bussy.

>>106836067
At this point if you're still using windows you are actual cattle and deserve to be treated as such

>>106836067
>Will Linux ever get it together and rescue us from Windows telemetry apocolypse?
Linux got it together years ago. It's you who have been left behind because of your baby duck syndrome, so you'll have to do what MS says like a good slave until the end of times.

>he doesn't have throwaway / placeholder email accounts for this type of shit
ngmi
start making some outlook accounts now

>>106836067
Does linux support steam and games yet?
I'm ready to migrate

>>106837255
>people just sit there in the dark when they're not working
Alright chinksect, back to China.

>>106838984
>Does linux support steam and games yet?
yes of course but not online multiplayer. at least not the major ones with anti-cheats

there's already 4 bypass workarounds

>>106838984
yes and steam has proton, you basically only need to choose which version you want to use.
multiplayer games that require kernel level anti-cheats won't work.
Idk about HDR support, I'm currently on Mint and it doesn't have it. Heard some distros offer it though.

>>106838997
>>106839137
Hell yeah
Which distro should I use?
Last time I used linux I was on Xubuntu, but Fedora is also good

>>106836426
If there is one thing I appreciate about the EU, it's them slamming corporate bullshit practices. Can you guys get together and start a trend of demanding that all "cloud" and "XaaS" offerings also be released with an on-premise, perpetual licensed option? That would be tits.

>>106836075
>as long as i can install it on old hardware
This is win11 we are talking about, it defacto requires modern hardware that implements TPM, and future windows will do the same and likely enforce further hardware restrictions.

>>106836075
why are you on this board if you know jack shit about IT

>>106836067
No one here uses the official windows installers. I still use massgrave versions for windows usecases.

>>106839197
sadly we probably can't, since if we tried, there's a horde of "muh freedom of business", "are you too poor for a subscription lol" and "think of the billionaires profits" crowd from across the pond.

>>106839208
That's a good thing though.

perhaps ZorinOS or Linux Mint for the newcomers? the main issue with linux is that we dont have good AV solutions so you cant really install this stuff on dumb user's machines. also too many techy terms being thrown around in the space, which could confuse people to the point where they would rather just buy a new machine because its easier. we need to streamline linux more for these folks if we want any hope of beating Microsoft. Microsoft has crazy OEM contracts and just works for most people.

LINUX users don't have this problem.

>>106836067
They want names, street addresses, phone numbers, credit card numbers and billing addresses tied to their cloud accounts that spontaneously and silently copy your images and data, and internet history to their servers for the FBI and DJT's official records.

>>106839546
But people like you say it's already backdoored to hell and they spy on all your data. What difference is logging in supposed to make?

>>106836204
Apple does it and feminazi fags pay them handsomely for the privilege.

>>106839553
in anons defense onedrive always fucks up my games and shit. so backdoor or not, its still annoying

>>106839553
it's less effort on their part because it's automatically served to them instead of them having to scrape it themselves.

>another grug hates windows but is too stupid to leave thread

>>106837886
>apple seems to be giving their power users more local compute
You can't use iOS without an Apple account.
Once you made an account, you can't transfer your pictures to a Windows PC using a cable without using the Apple Devices app from the Microsoft Store.
Thanks daddy Tim for giving me so much freedom with my devices

>fake screencap of article headline
>no proof

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>>106836067
Just put on the tag, goy. I promise it won't hurt.

>>106839650
true! not like you can find dozens of articles claiming the same thing

>>106839683
>it's real bro trust me bro
>no I won't prove it
Your next move will be posting some twitter link that has the same screencap in it.

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>>106839806
>twitter
correct!

>>106836067
I use linux but I have a windows 11 vm with a local account and lots of bullshit removed from it partly out of fucking spite at this point. They will never learn that devices are ours not theirs.

>>106839884
>my pc
>this computer
>our machine

>>106836067
people continue to act like cattle and go along with whatever corporations want. MOOOOOoooooooo.

>>106839168
http://distrowatch.com
if you need updating GPU drivers, you need to select a semi-rolling or rolling distro

>>106836067
They are tightening their noose because they must keep the cattle inside the pen. Wouldn't want all that sweet data to leak out that they can sell.

>>106839915
Yeah they've slowly been chipping away at any ref to the device being yours.

>>106839884
Why would they learn that? They're learning from the masters - Google and Apple.
Installing software? Only ones approved by them, from people who give them money. Installing drivers? No. Installing background services? No. Running a server [in the background]? No. Installing your own OS after the manufacturer stops sending you updates? No. Integrating your own apps for things like Cloud backups so you don't have to pay premium for iCloud+ and Google One? No. Sync music without a computer? Well, at least Android lets you.

The cattle have been used to this kind of abuse of power. They accept that it's "for their safety". And they are the majority. Eventually, Windows 10 will be unusable and you will have to accept Microsoft's new shitty conditions. That's what they're banking on.

>>106839980
gigaseethe microjeet shabbos goy

>Why does M$ want everyone to have accounts?
Its all about ads and marketing. If you just have a local account it's difficult to create a unified ad profile. If you have a Microsoft account you can link the activity of that computer the activity of how you engage with your emails, to how you search things on the internet making you a better commodity for Microsoft to sell. If you have a local account the account might not even use your real name and marketers aren't really interested in aliases.

>>106839406
i like to read about teh computah

>>106836067
>Will Linux ever get it together and rescue us from Windows telemetry apocolypse?
No.

>>106836067
I literally just installed Windows 11today with the 25h2 iso and I got the usual 'Join domain' option during the win Pro setup, without any tweak or anything, to setup a local account. I don't know what those articles are about

>>106840770
>I don't know what those articles are about
clearly...
they're talking about something currently in insider beta versions, coming to a future version of 11.

>>106836067
You wintards KNOW why they're doing it. They hate the user and view them as a source for money. If you have an account they can track you easier and advertise to you. It's not rocket science.

And Linux is perfectly fine as it is right now, just find the right distro and stop your bitching. Or become okay with sucking off that corporate cock year on end as they continue to milk you for more.

>>106840977
if you can't make Linux work you are not white

>>106836075
I thought the same until I learned it was more about the DE than anything else lol. Switch to CachyOS with KDE and it just werks

Realistically how dangerous will it be to stay on 10 once security updates stop

>>106837236
It's also a habit. Using Linux, regardless of the distro, means that you need to learn new ways.
Most people just like to watch tiktok every 5 minutes these days. It's hard for them to learn something new even if it's not that demanding.

>>106841371
If you are using a firewall what is properly set up there is no problem unless you're a complete retard.
If you are running a business you'd use something else anyway and those security updates would not still apply to you anyway.

>>106841404
Spoonfeed me about properly set up firewalls

>>106841313
>300+ hours
It takes me 45 minutes to install Mint from scratch and right down to adblockers for my browser. Only an actual idiot could fail to do the same. Linux just works out of the box.

>>106841313
thats why you install ubuntu / fedora and call it a day

>>106836067
>CTRL + SHIFT + ALT + WIN + L
gee, i wonder

>>106839508
>requiring hardware level spyware is a good thing

Contrarianism is a disease.

>>106836067
As I said in another thread, it's basically OS level digital ID.

>>106836119
Linux is made by more trannies than Windows

>>106836119
No seriously, I might have to go to linux, but I don't want to. The file system in linux is fucking pathetic. I can't even choose where my software installs to, it spreads shit all over the fucking place and handles everything for me, taking freedom away from my compared to windows. It's way less intuitive than windows and linux had more than 30 years to catch up to windows 95 and FAILED. That is just sad.

>>106840770
You forgot that the average /g/ user has sub-80 iq and a handful of rupees net worth. Do you think they can just buy or pirate Pro (or even better, Enterprise)?

need more data to feed the AI god

>>106837364
good one fucktard
>I use something private
>whips out proton
>proton holds the keys to your shit at all times
>proton complies with US info requests
>yuritarded.jpeg

>>106842002
Did you use massgrave or buy a key for enterprise?

>>106841495
See, this is one of the reasons why Linux as a serious desktop OS will never be a thing. Pure bullshit coming from troonix users.

>>106842210
massgrave of course

>>106841371
>updated windows defender
>updated browser
>updated adblock
Then you're safe.

>>106836131
I once paid 200 for windos 7 ultimate. I would pay that again for a new version if I could just buy the OS without all the extra shit.

>>106836067
You know what irritates me? How tech companies work on changing stupid fucking bullshit so it looks like they're working.

"Please wait while we install a system update", that update screen has been changed 100s of times over the years and it's completely inconsequential. How many man-hours do you think have gone over the years at Microsoft to designing random bullshit like this?

That's what I like about Valve. They don't update the tried and true stuff, they focus on doing the new shit.

>>106842219
Cool.

>>106836067
>Will Linux ever get it together and rescue us from Windows telemetry apocolypse?
They already have. Sorry you use Photoshop or play Fartshite, but it's not my problem.

>>106836131
>pay $30 for updates.

LOL... I was able to get those updates for free. theres a few legit ways that MS tells you how you can enroll for free. if you use onedrive to backup shit, you get free updates. if you have MS rewards points 1000+ you can use those for the updates. i would never willingly give them money.

>>106842252
>I once paid 200 for windos 7 ultimate.

haha fucking dumbass.

>forcing people to register an ONLINE ACCOUNT just so they can use their own computer
>this is the most used OS by far, including by governments and various institutions
>no one even complains, never even seen a campaign against this
the jews are unironically right about goyim being total cattle

>>106836119
linux never put gay flags in your start menu for a whole month without your permission

>>106836067
So they can mine data from you.
Couldn't you just use an older installer and make your local account during setup. Then once it's installed, let it do updates. Not like it can take the account away if that's the only account on the box.

>>106841913
I'd pick tranny software over pajeet software any day.
Troons are so desperate for attention they will actually put the effort to try and make things well because they need the upcummies so much.

>>106842193
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_(software)

>>106836067
sarr we need to sell your data sarr
we do the needful and train AI sarr
do not redeem xbox or windows 10 sarrr

>>106843544
I'm honestly giving up on anybody who claims to care about privacy but uses windows.

>>106836067
>Why Does Microsoft Want Everyone To Register Accounts?
So they can trap your data
in their account
so you can't leave
paypig

The biggest issue for me is I supply my own laptop for work and if I have to make an account that really fucks me because I honestly don't give a fuck what's on the laptop since it generally used for support to remote into but I'm not tying anything to me for this garbage

>>106836067
Why wouldn't they? We live in a cloud world now. Fully online. AI engendered. You aren't a consumer, you're a creator. Content. Productivity. Connection. This is the future. AI is real.

>>106841824
>it's basically OS level digital ID.
This.

You're a brainlet if you go to Windows 11. You cannot "debloat" all of this.

>>106836067
I hate microsoft so goddamn much.

>>106836067
>Will Linux ever get it together
What do you want that we don't have?
Unless you need retardedly specific software, we have everything.
Arch
Hyprland
Kitty
Dolphin
Firefox
Libreoffice
Steam
Gimp
Mpv
Imv
Thunderbird

And with that, I've covered the use cases for 99% of people. All of the office drones can pretend to work on Libreoffice while they binge YouTube on Firefox.

I personally use a more technical setup, but these apps I chose are all normie-friendly.

>>106838984
Literally 99% of steam games when you enable proton.

The only one I miss out on is Space Engineers (was my most played game before Linux swap, have never played it since).

>>106844074
>What do you want that we don't have?
Wider game support.

>>106839530
Been thinking about putting together a "arch for retarded babies" distro. It's literally just arch Linux with pre-installed packages, a quick tutorial for desktop navigation, and a chron-job to pacman -Syu weekly.

Should work ootb for 99% of users.

>>106842218
>wahh I want thing X
We have thing X.
>you lie!

You are a petulant child who just is scared of Linux. Were you raped by a penguin at the zoo? Or maybe your uncle wore a penguin mask when he diddled your poophole?

>>106844154
Steam proton for 99.999% of steam games.
Lutris for everything else (except games from devs actively hostile to Linux).

Literally the only games I can't play are from devs that go out of their way to break Linux support, such as Riot.

>>106844175
>Been thinking about putting together a "arch for retarded babies" distro.
I haven't used it, but aren't you describing EndeavourOS?

>>106844175
There are literally like 5 distros that do this already

>>106836067
Windows 7 doesn't have this problem.

>>106844225
>As we can see, the troon continues with lies and even starts projecting his obviously unfulfilled sexual fantasies. Fascinating coping mechanism.

>>106836067
Michaelsoft was dead on arrival. Just another greedy corp who wanted to crash in on the tech craze and now they're sitting pretty and haven't gone completely belly up by now for some reason. For SOME REASON.

>>106845210
Same reason intel and nvidia are still afloat, too big to fail! The government will bail them out while the average muttland tax slave has to carry yet another dead nog corpse on his back lmao

Yeah that won't last

>>106844074
If you step into actual productivity software linux is literally unusable. Pretty much every major program used for simulation, design, drafting, accounting, fiscal duties etc is windows only. The things you listed are the basics for any neet doing everyday browsing.

>>106845278
You don't do anything important dough, all these companies using stuff like adobe and whatnot are going out of business

>>106845296
>tldr schizo meltdown
Take your meds loser

>>106841495
>45 minutes
get an SSD

>>106836131
>>106842362
all i had to do is to login into a newly made ms account, click enroll button and log out back to offline account. paid literally nothing and it works.

>>106845363
>get an STD
No thanks, I'll be clickity clacking on me pure and clean HeychDEEDEE forever

>>106843641
People also care about usability, anon.

>>106836067
what difference does it make nobody's been using microshit for years

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Can I install Linux on my computer as a secondary OS, and gradually make the move over? I assume I'd need a new partition on the primary HDD, then configure the boot sequence to prompt me at every restart. Linux could then access the additional storage drives for file access, then for anything I can't do on Linux, I can reboot back into Windows, complete task, then back to Linux.

What version of Linux is best for general use?

>>106845641
mint

You do realise these updates are just bugfixes that also introduce new bugs in typical jeet fashion. I haven't updated in 2 years, I pirate software all the time, and my computer is clean and quick. What is everyone so afraid of?

>>106836067
>No mention of Entra, Intune, XDR, or 365 in the thread
>No articles ever mention Windows in relation to them or Azure at all
>Everyone acts surprised when Micro$haft designs their operating systems and hardware requirements around the commercial market and their cloud infrastructure, and then they recycle it for the domestic market
I'm certain that the people who know about it never bother to post in these threads precisely because it's so obvious.

>>106845920
I couldn't care about a lack of updates from a personal standpoint, since in most cases you have to go out of your way to be compromised by one of the exploits they fix. From a business perspective the whole thing is a nightmare though since not only do you have to stay up to date for ever-increasing compliance requirements but also with most software moving to some bullshit SaaS model you don't have the option to run an older compatible version and newer ones might not install to an outdated platform.

>>106836067
Tech journalism is worthless as fuck, who even pays these retarded boomers to write anything? Microsoft will literally never remove a local account option, as long as you are on any edition of windows that's not Home you have access to join a domain = local account in the installation setup in Pro, Pro for Workstations, Pro Education, Education, Enterprise, IoT Enterprise, Enterprise LTSC, IoT Enterprise LTSC. Obviously microsoft wants users to get into the microsoft ecosystem if you use microsoft windows.

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W10 really is the final windows destination.

>>106845641
>Can I install Linux on my computer as a secondary OS, and gradually make the move over?
That's what I did. I put them on separate hard drives, though.

>>106838997
many anti-cheat games work, because popular anti-cheat systems like VAC, Battleye, and EAC, all support linux. however, publishers/developers need to permit linux users to run their games explicitly, as linux isn't as locked down as windows, which means that anti-cheat systems aren't as strong (as anti-cheats by design are to prevent users from using the protected software in certain ways)

>>106846765
>as linux isn't as locked down as windows, which means that anti-cheat systems aren't as strong (as anti
so basically they do not work as intended hence there's no point in pooling both audiences together.
thank you for your attention to this matter.

>>106836119
focused

>>106846774
you should also consider that cheats themselves often don't work on linux anyway

>>106846774
it's usually enabled for linux on games that aren't teeming with kids/teens where cheating is a major issue
it's possible for linux to have equivalent attestation as windows for them, but this would mean you'd be limited to one or specific distros, with secure boot enabled, and with kernel modules restricted to only those allowed by the distributor. basically, the same as what windows does, since that's just a fundamental property of an externally-attestated os

>>106846835
>but this would mean you'd be limited to one or specific distros, with secure boot enabled, and with kernel modules restricted to only those allowed by the distributor
oh i actually had no idea. but makes sense. thanks

i never looked into this issue because i'm not on Linux but everyone made it seem like it's some inherent Linux "flaw" or ideology flaw.

>>106846851
no, it's not a flaw or otherwise missing functionality. the issue is linux distros allow users to do what they wish with their system, which naturally means any anti-cheat system can be defeated if a user really wanted to. most linux users see this as a good thing as anything running on your system that you cannot control means your system is not truly yours.
there is actually an example of what i mentioned in linux already, it's not hypothetical. and that's android. android uses the linux kernel, so it is a linux distribution even if it's not what people usually consider when talking about distros as it's its own thing outside of using the linux kernel. android phones (that pass attestation, so most "stock" ones) have locked bootloaders ("secure boot" equivalent, as that's a pc-specific term), with extremely restricted access to the system by the user. android's attestation system is called safetynet, and is required to use certain apps like banking apps.

>>106846323
>Microsoft will literally never do the thing they've explictly said they will do
>Reason: uhhhh because I said so??? Trust the plan, two more weeks

>>106836075
You are just used to all the preinstalled little programs in windows that you have to install manually in linux. As a linux user, i can't think of a OS feature that i had in windows that i don't have on linux.

>>106836075
>as long as i can install it on old hardware
>w11
...

>>106841992
It is simply like on phones - the software is installed where the OS decides and although you might not understand or see the logic, there actually is one. That's also what allows Linux to update any software installed this (automatic) way from the Update manager without the need to download updater programs for every application separatedly (just like application store on your smartphone updates everything). Of course, you can make your life difficult and install anything manually into /opt.

>>106845641
Yes, do this, I did the same over a year ago and never regretted it. I still keep the Windows partition, but hardly ever boot into it nowadays. And as the other anon suggested, I'd pick Mint (again) as your first distribution (and likely last, because it just works).

You just enter drive management in Windows, shrink your Windows partition as much as you're comfortable with (at least by 50 GB though, ideally by 100 GB), then boot into live session of Mint and durring installation, the installer will give you an option to install Mint into the unoccupied disk space with no partition and modify the boot sequence to let you choose the OS on every launch. It's foolproof.

>>106836075
Hey bud, it appears that you are the amateur garbage instead.

>>106844074
>we have everything
>list amateur, very basic software and desktop environment

add support for mouse and keyboard to your list, it will be bigger

>>106843866
Rufus will fix first part of the problem, firewall will fix the second

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>>106844788
>22:29:09
>>106845200
>00:04:30
>>106845920
>02:50:15
>incel virgin samefags himself every hour to save his dead troll thread from page 10
>again
how shocking and unexpected

why havent you killed yourself yet loser?
do something useful for your mom and fertilize her compost pile
everyone wishes you were dead, especially your mom
how embarrassing it must be for her to have to explain to her friends all the time that her son is still a fat 50 year old incel NEET loser eating all her food and stinking up her basement spending every waking minute of his incel life "owning M$/loonix"
there is no bigger no-life loser on this entire shithole of a site than you, and that's saying a lot
just end your worthless life already, the world will be a better place with you dead

>>106847233
take meds

>>106847233

Always fascinating to see these schizophrenics who imagine they can identify specific people on an anonymous imageboard with millions of users. You can tell the removal of IP count really took a toll on their sanity cause nowadays they don't even try to look for proof, they just assume everyone they don't agree with is the same person.

My mother, a 65yo government accountant, uses linux in 2 of her 3 computers, and the 1 out is a remote government computer she can't touch. She can't tell the difference. She doesn't even know how to reboot her computer.
There's no reason to still be using windows in 2025.

>>106839563
Apple still lets you set up a local account on MacOS

Windows 7 chads stay winning

>>106839658
>ai image with pjeet/chinese photoshopped tag
the world is fucked

>>106845641
dual boot = double retard
dumpster dive another pc and start moving your private sensitive shit to linux while doing only what your job requires you to on windows

>>106842218
You're right, in reality it's more like 15 minutes.

>>106845200
t. retarded tranny who can't use a mouse without instruction manual.

>>106836067
>While workarounds remain available, they now require more technical expertise than before.

literally nothingburger, it can still be done...

>>106836067
Why does Google and Apple?
You people are hysterics and deserve Linux.

>>106836067
Probably want to inflate their datacenter stock by forcing everyone to become an user of Azure.

>>106837255
Good luck getting anything done with freecad.

>>106845641
Yes anon its very easy to install linux along side windows. A second dedicated drive is best but you can also dual boot on the same drive. Theres many youtube videos spoonfeeding the process. It wont be difficult if you follow along on your phone or write step by step notes or something.

>>106836067
Because Microsoft knows Windows users are completely retarded and addicted to Microsoft software. They can easily take advantage of users to track what they're doing with TPM and login. Easy win for Microsoft, NSA, and all the digital ID shenanigans.

>>106836067
you have to sign a ToS allowing them to harvest your data to feed into their AI.

>>106841371
w10 iot ltsc gets support until 2035 or something, I would go that route if you're set on not updooting.

>>106836067
Further telemetry. Forced intergration into Microsoft's services. Files automatically uploaded into OneDrive to feed their AI with.

the most important significant detail everyone is forgetting is that M$ is partnered with governments.

>>106836067
Haahhahaaha
>cough, sputter, deep inhale
Hhhhaaahahahahaha
Keep "winning" winchads.

>>106853615
AppleChads don't have this problem.

>>106853629
Nobody asked.

>>106853629
iOS and macOS (AKA 'OS X') have been bloated to death with pervasive "cloud services" integration, niggerrific upselling, and telemetry for at least 15 years now, and it gets worse every couple of years. I had no regrets switching from Windows to OS X in 2002, and I had not regrets ditching OS X for Linux in 2011. Jobs is dead, and he took all of the comfy UX decisions and integrity with him.

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>>106853757
incredible work, Sherlock.

>>106853771
>and integrity with him.
The only reason crapple didn't join the NSA instantly was they had ZERO fucking users you brain dead nigger. As soon as iFone got even 5% marketshare Jobs was guzzling FBI cum begging to enroll in PRISM.

>>106853828
It's not about moral integrity, you dimwit. He doggedly stuck to his guns, even when he was being a fucking retard, like you.

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>>106853845
t. brain dead iNigger

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>>106853845
>He doggedly stuck to his guns
Once a braindead iNigger, always a braindead iNigger. There's no helping iTroglodytes like you. Fuck off back to mac, we don't retards like you on linux.

at this point of time I swear everyone is trolling, linux is still garbage, 10 years of development, donations ect. even open software is mostly ass, I had to fucking pay for my programs because linux couldnt do bare minimum without giving me frustration

>>106853856
Sure faggot. iNiggers haven't touched an Apple product in 14 years.

>>106853873
see >>106853865
We don't want subhuman nigger retard Abdul Lateef Jandali worshipping trash like you on linux.

>>106845641
yes. install linux on one drive and windows on another. then boot yourself with uefi itself (set the default the default drive to boot and only enter uefi when you need to boot into another, less frequently needed os). this way windows can't wipe your bootloader. the only thing that you need to avoid when dual booting is hibernation.
>What version of Linux is best for general use?
Start with Mint.

>>106853845
>He doggedly stuck to his guns,
Is that why he stole some kid's liver after realizing twice daily coffee enemas weren't going to cure his cancer?

>>106836067
as long as pajeetsoft gives a single fuck about enterprise customers, which is part of their current business model, there will always be at least one official way to install modern windows without pajeetsoft account, bitlocker and hardware requirements, not to mention unofficial ones. So there really is no reason to worry and those articles are nothingburgers made by very incompetent people who for some reason call themselves journalists.
>>106836389
Yes, because after all those years even Windows XP still supports more software thats actually worth using that troonix. 2012 version of photoshop or sony vegas still mogs latest up to date gimp, krita or any similar linux alternative. There are plenty of modern web browsers backported to it, and you can all sorts of minor nuslopware programs with one core api. A bunch of underpaid repo jannies still can't surpass the efford that was put into creating a proprietary operating system over 20 years ago
>>106836426
>>106837236
>better
>Linux
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
>>106839536
they also have no working programs and peripherals.

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>>106854957
>02:37:41
>incel virgin samefags himself every hour to save his dead troll thread from page 10
>again
how shocking and unexpected

why havent you killed yourself yet loser?
do something useful for your mom and fertilize her compost pile
everyone wishes you were dead, especially your mom
how embarrassing it must be for her to have to explain to her friends all the time that her son is still a fat 50 year old incel NEET loser eating all her food and stinking up her basement spending every waking minute of his incel life "owning M$"
there is no bigger no-life loser on this entire shithole of a site than you, and that's saying a lot
just end your worthless life already, the world will be a better place with you dead

If faggots want to shit on Linux they're quite welcome to. The less popular Linux is the better.

>>106854969
>So utterly, permanently bvck broken by Jay that he thinks everyone who has different opinion than him is swaglord himself.

>>106848478
You sure like trannies a lot.

>Why does a company that sells user information want information from users???

>>106842193
Jeet

>>106844154
I haven't found a single game that doesn't work for linux, then again I don't play ubisoft shit so maybe you have a point for slop consumers.

>>106853886
see >>106853873
You're deranged :^]

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What if I simply unplug my ethernet?
Microsoft will require me to have internet access to install?

>>106836389
>Never underestimate the insanity of windows users
Fucking hell ain't that the truth. If Windows 13 required you to castrate yourself I swear to God there would still be people lining up for it.

>main linux for 99% of activity
>only use Windows for anticheat games like Rust
>windows is win10
Do I even need to upgrade the windows drive? If I do, what are my best options for that? I've never had a desktop signed into an online account for home and obviously don't want to start having to. I just want to be able to boot it up and play the few games its needed for

>>106855647
>haven't found a single game that doesn't work for linux
Then you haven't searched very far. Look, I'm a small business owner that uses Linux exclusively for the last 4, but this constant glazing if it's ubiquitous viability is part of the problem.

People pretend like every issue with linux is an edge case but they are so overcrowded with these edge cases that they basically outnumber whatever "normal" is supposed to be. Advocates completely downplay how often some seemingly simple or routine task turns into a rabbit hole of driver experimentation and configuration files. For people who like to tinker or have a natural curiosity for technology maybe this doesn't feel so bad but when it is purely obstructionist for getting some tasks done it is a nightmare.

>>106847822
why does it bother you that much? you fucking retard. It is the most basic fucking tool imaginable.

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>>106836067
Never underestimate the insanity of lintroon incels, they have zero actual arguments against Windows so they make up imaginary bullshit FUD and lie through their teeth trying to imply some shitty goyslop Home consoomer edition pre-built only problem somehow affects anyone else running normal editions. Literally every complaint freetards ever have against Windows is FUD bullshit. This thread is a living monument to freetard cope.

>>106846245
Just stop using internet and use old software

>>106853584
That's literally every big tech company

So if I ever had to reinstall my computer, I'd have to tie my entire computer to a faggy fucking account?

They're just moving towards the world where a global digital ID is a requirement.
Not like people have exactly resisted this nonsense either.
They've happily consoomed things like games that have an always online requirement, so the conditioning is already there and retards will keep on using this shit.

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>>106836067
>Will Linux ever get it together and rescue us from Windows telemetry apocolypse?
Let's see...
>no viable Excel alternative (LibreOffice's doesn't even come close)
>no SolidWorks
>no Photoshop
>no After Effects
>no industry-standard DAW support
>no VST3 support
>no support for games with anti-cheat
>dual booting is annoying as fuck
>VMs + GPU passthrough still introduces latency
Unfortunately, Linux is still 10+ years behind Windows for productivity, costumer and enterprise environments.
Which is why M$ still feels comfortable pushing this bullshit to its users

>>106836067
Are local accounts still possible when coomputor is on domain?

>>106836119
>You like Linux? LOL TROONUX
>You like windows? LOL TRANNY
Doesn't it get boring anon?

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>>106836067
Pass keys, remote attestation, locked down walled garden devices, and subscriptions

They want every single computer locked down and under their control. It's also why they're enabling bitlocker encryption on every single device, it's not to protect the consumer but to stop the consumer from tampering with the data and to reduce portability between operating systems.

It's a covert takeover of the internet and the end of the "personal" computer. Digital ID's, passkeys, TPM, SecureBoot, forced device encryption. It's all about control being sold as "security".

>>106836067
Already has, I'm using Fedora. What others do is up to them.

>>106836204
>What, you’re gonna go to mac or linux?
Yes, actually.

>>106837261
>You can use MS office just in a browser or use google docs
PowerPoint 365 has less features than the desktop versions and you straight-up can't do some shit in there. I've been at a company that is all-in on Microsoft integration and even forbids the use of Google accounts for internal documents.

>>106836067
What is the actual difference between using it with a MS account or a local one? Don't they have all your info anyways?

>>106857938
Can they steal your files and upload them to One Drive and hold them for ransom without an accout?

>>106844074
Adobe

>>106836067
They want soooo much to be Apple. But they have no pride in their products, most of their devs don't use Windows, most of their designers deliberately design with MacOS Window-Buttons (look at official VSCode Changelogs or Puppeteer documentation). You think Apple would allow their devs to use Windows or Android devices?
I quite like Windows (10, that is) and would love to see MS taking some pride in the way THEY do things, but no, they just try to copy Apple, don't give a FUCK about Windows and then wonder why nobody wants to use it.

>>106836067
Because it's easier to spy on you. You should already know that.

>>106844074
How do you even set up notifications on thunderbird?

Arch or Fedora?

Ah sweet, a schizo meltdown!

Windows is a corporate prison, barely held together by third world feces and government subsidies.

MacOS is a corporate prison, barely held together by used third world chewing gum and homosexual tendencies.

Linux is a loose confederation of anarcho-socialist microstates, barely held together by an aging Finnish man, and an obese, autistic Jew.

>>106858935
Fedora.

>>106836075
>looks
women are only allowed on facebook, not here

>>106859640
BSD is that neighbor you have who came up with a great idea 50 years ago, but sold the patent for grocery money because he was starving.

>please wait while WE install (...)
I really, really hate this

>>106846911
Actually because a lot of companies needs local accounts for windows it will never happen..

You probably forget most cooperation are using windows.

Take your meds schizo

>>106858049
No they do not. This is a flat-out lie.

>>106859790
>companies needs
>You probably forget
>most cooperation
E S L

>>106859824
It was obviously a dumb rhetorical question, not a claim.

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>>106859286
>freetards exposed as pathological liars
why does this happen EVERY time?

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>>106859891
nothing ever happens

>>106836131
Except they give you access to the ESU program for a year if you have a Microsoft account.

>>106836075
>fuck microshit, but [random shilling against Linux]
What's the alternative? Being an iToddler?

>>106836067
Because they want to warm up the frog until eventually you can ONLY install modern versions of Windows on fully attestable hardware.

>>106836067
so what exactly stops you from installing windows 11 from an old build that didn't remove the local account stuff on setup?

>>106836067
Bill Gates decided that everyone needed to be under his thumb to control and track ever since someone threw a pie at him in the 90s. And make no mistake - Bill is still the shadow boss of Microsoft.

>>106859286
based truthmaxxer
>>106861233
>>106861214
>>106861204
>>106861094
seething lintroon still pathetically samefagging himself trying to push his already debunked FUD thread

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>>106861472
do you even read the posts you mass reply to

>>106853629
> AppleChads don't have this problem.
Yet.....

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>>106864472
another classic "but that was my backup", referring to the one place they stored their "important" data

So? Is this some Home/Pro restriction? Rufus already patches the iso .ini or whatever to skip the installation survey and user creation so they can probably enable local accounts before booting as well. Also as long as this doesn't affect LTSC I don't care