it's been 10 years since USB-C released. why haven't we migrated yet?
>>106839374the connector itself is too fragile
>>106839374we have, hardware manufacturers are just still supporting legacy USB devices so as not to create a bunch of e waste and maximize their client numbers.
I like big connectors and I cannot lie
>>106839396This. I've had more USB-C cables/ports fail on me than earlier types. It's counterintuitive that the plugs are so shitty, since they're prima facie more simple and robust than Micro-USB, but no, they really do just suck. I've tossed a bunch of cables and had to replace my last phone, which was otherwise fine, simply because the charging port wore out from several hundred daily insertions.
>>106839581don't buy cheap cables
>>106839581You inserted your phone several times a day?
test
>>106839374apple.
>>106839581I was an early adopter of USB-C with the macbook 2015 (the one port version) and then a pixelbook and never ran into this issue. a lot of people bought shitty cables that fucked their machines up but that was a chinese quality control issue.been using usb-c ever since then without any issues. no idea how you manage to do this.>>106839616explain
>>106839374Who the fuck released that motherboardoh of courseAssrock
Because when you buy shit that needs a USB-C cable they don't fucking bother giving you a USB-C cable any more USB-A always gave me a cable
>>106839374>only 2 thunderbolt ports>most likely shared bandwidth
>>106839581>several hundred daily insertionsDoubt.
>>106839990NTA and not "several hundred"but my phone's usb port wore out after being plugged into the work computer ~30 times a day for two years, in order to upload vehicle inspection photos.
>>106839581>several hundred daily insertionsnigga what the FUCK are you doing with your phone
>>106840122Did the math and it was approximately 15,000 insertions overall.
>>106839581Don't buy dogshit tier cables anon.I have good quality USB-C cables that have had doors slammed on the connector multiple times and are still working ~6 years after purchase.
>>106840136that's rivaling OP's mom
>>106840176OP here, she is NOT rated for that many insertions
R O B U S TOBUST
>>106839990Yeah I'm OCD, not that it matters.
>>106839374Too much stuff still has USB-A ports. So companies keep making stuff that uses USB-A. So companies don't stop making machines that have USB-A ports. It's a vicious cycle with no easy way out.
>>106839374Why do you need USB-C on a mainbord? Use a A-to-C cable like a normal person.
>>106839581Will you be inserting USB cables to the back panel of your PC dozens of times each day?
>>106841931USB A is only rated for 5V 1.5A maximum. 5V 3A is standard for USB C, and up to 48V 5A is possible.
>>106842024what about 100W USB-C?
10yrs huh? i guess that makes it about time to make a new standard cable! thats faster! with rgb lights built into the cabel/spec
>>106842222That's 20V 5A and it's possible to request from any USB-C compliant host with an e-marked cable.
>>106842024here's an ideatake usb-cand put it into usb-a
>>106839374we havent even fully moved onto it yetpeople are still making micro usb devices and cables
>>106840122>not having a permanent connector in place already and using a magnetic snap on connector to do the job
>>106840277Cursed. But not as cursed as the micro USB 3.0 type B connector.
>>106839374When USB-A finally goes completely extinct I will rejoice because I will never have to fiddle with flipping the stupid fucking connector over 3 times before getting it in right.
>>106840277agh the connector that gives me printer ptsd...
I just know those USB Consortium bastards are coming up with another connector to force on the world soon enoughor maybe they think this clusterfuck is already perfect
>>106839374Industrial Engineer here. Ya'll need to count your blessings that USB won in the consumer world. At least you have some semblance of something that is vaguely inline with being standardized.Half the CNC stuff out there still has fucking serial connectors. It's getting hard to get decent laptops that can even hook up to machines to log into the consoles on them now because "who would ever need a serial port on a workstation laptop?" USB to serial adaptors are not consistent because a lot of CNC and related equipment doesn't quite follow standards and the timings on the adapters aren't quite right for what the machine expects. On real hardware you can go in and fiddle with firmware timings, not so much on random adapters. Then you get to the actual interface layouts. I've had to hand cut and splice cables for stuff before because companies that no longer exist used proprietary pin layouts just to fuck with people and try to force them to buy their 1700 dollar diagnostic cables, so you need to sit there with an oscilloscope to reverse engineer the pin layouts while running software from the late 90s in a windows 2000 or XP VM and pass through hardware.That's not even getting into some of the pants shittingly retarded stuff of the early 2000s where some systems started using coaxial cables because it was cheap. One facility had a conveyer belt system where all the components were networked together with what was essentially a token ring network. Coaxial cable was abundantly and relatively cheaply available with various protective coatings making it suitable for use, and you could even get it in different colors, so they reinvented a network concept from the mid 80s because they didn't need high data rates for basic handshakes back and forth.I've seen Windows 3.1 and DoS systems alive in the wild as recently as 4 months ago.Seriously. Count your blessings that all you have to worry about is the round thing going into the square hole.
>>106840122Why not just upload them wirelessly with syncthing?
>>106843441This sounds insane. Why can't these places just upgrade to newer technology?
USB A exists solely to gatekeep those who are serious about computersIf you can't plug it in the right way the first time, every time you are a peasantIt is also for this reason graphic plugs must also be shaped as above.
>>106843280The fact that you can put a microusb in that port was awsome though
>>106843441>I've seen Windows 3.1 and DoS systems alive in the wild as recently as 4 months ago.Because almost all human infrastructure is running on that shit you uneducated Literally Brand New crotch spawn your post reads like you just got a new jobI was 18 out of prison at a food processing plant and I learned that most factories utilize DOSI was 5 using the fucking subways in New York when I learned they run off fucking os/2 warpYou’re so brand new it hurts fuck off with your bullshit pretending that any of those systems are more complicated than what we use mow
>>106843974>I need my can of spaghettios to be processed by a machine running windows11 or I CANT CUMFucking kill yourself
>>106843974Not sure if bait, but I'll give you a real answer regardless.Why would you upgrade something that's working and has worked for 20 years?A large 5-7 axis CnC machine costs many millions of dollars, potentially well into the 10s of millions. You don't just replace something like that. You retrofit whenever possible because wholesale replacement is financial suicide.The trouble is, even retrofits are expensive. You have to remember that a lot of this equipment is designed to be running all the time. Even if you assume that a retrofit goes perfectly (which it won't), a week's worth of downtime may require you to go through and completely service components. For example: emulsified coolant solutions had time to settle when they weren't being recirculated at least once every day or two. Water vapor might have condensed inside of some high pressure grease assembly, and that means you'll need to disassemble something that requires taking out a portion of a wall wall so you can bring a modular crane assembly in to lift a cast iron block the size of a sedan just to make sure that you won't get rust buildups in 6 months requiring a 7 figure repair with a 4 month lead time.This isn't just applicable to the machine your working on. If you have an assembly line of stuff and do a major retrofit on a key component, you can't just leave all the other stuff running. Maybe you can do small runs of stuff and designate a portion of a loading dock to store stuff...assuming you aren't working with perishables like food, but even that isn't ideal. It's often not even the thing you're trying to renovate that causes the most headaches. It's some other random thing that gets angry if it's left off for 3 days, and then you have to bribe some old fuck to come in out of retirement to spend 2 days recalibrating it because nobody else really knows how, and it'd take 2 months to figure it out.>cont.
>>106844702>contAnd then of course there's the fact that every minute a machine is not running is money not being made. Put in those terms, some of these machines are worth a quarter million dollars a day. Imagine what would happen if a machine that generates $100,000 in revenue a day simply stopped for 4 months. How many 18-30 dollar an hour grunts is that? How many decades of business relationships go up in smoke because you can't meet a deadline unexpectedly?I'm exaggerating a bit here, but at the same time I'm not. All of those are situations I've personally or indirectly dealt with. For the 100k a day example, I would up telling my company that we needed to pull out because the owner wasn't listening to us. Lawyers got involved and he wound up signing a liability waiver that would have more or less let us fill his car with semtex without repercussions. About 9 months after we finished the work they had a major failure that split something irreplaceable in half. I don't know all the details, but an entire 100k-125k a day line went down for about 4 months, and from what I understand basically none of the employees came back after their furlough, so they had to retrain 2 shifts of workers, and the new equipment took months to dial in (probably in part because nobody left knew what the fuck they needed to do). That place wound up folding a few years later right before covid hit, but it was in a death spiral for the 5ish years before then.>cont
>>106839581if you're not trolling, you can get a USB adapter and leave the adapter in the port, it vastly increases the life of the port. you can always replace a cheap adapter but you can't as easily replace the original port
>>106839374Worthless dogshit. Makes me sick that instead of putting more perfectly good and cheap 2.0 Type-A ports on PC cases, they do two 3.0s at best and then stick a fucking Type-C on it. Just one. And then I need a converter for most things I actually use, and the extra pins or potential transfer speed just goes to waste when it's something like a gay man controller.
airlines
>>106844709>contCompanies ARE better about a lot of this than they were 20 years ago because you can model out a lot of possibilities and that massively reduces the amount of time it takes to dial things in when doing major work. On the other hand you're also seeing a ton of new problems crop up because trying to explain cybersecurity to greybeard machinists is like trying to teach calculus to a moose. I've seen at least 3 companies get hit by encryption hostage malware while we were on sight. Hell, my own company had that shit get onto some machines, but at least our IT department has enough weight to actually enforce sensible policies, so they just reimaged stuff and did rollbacks on the file server. Still, it was a couple of weeks of a project I wasn't involved in being stuck in limbo. Now imagine that happening to a company where their entire financial history going back to the mid 80s exists on an excel document some "tech savvy nephew" cooked up in 1992 and there are no backups.>>106844651I don't know about your industry, but in mine DOS and 3.1 haven't been common for a while because the machines are almost all dead. Drives on them have been replaced by various flavors of CF cards in many cases, but the boards have been failing because of things like bad caps for the past decade or so. Covid really fucked a lot of them because some machines got turned of for 6 months and then they couldn't be turned back on again.Once the machines truly die it's usually cheaper to buy some kit running XP embedded.... which is of course it's own nightmare, but hey you can get something with a 4th gen i3 in it that has some fucked up custom motherboard that you can plug all the control cards from the old machine into so it mostly works.
>>106839581>several hundred daily insertionsAre you using it as a fleshlight how is your dick so small
>>106843441your posts are legitimately interestingit's insane to me that the best way to interface with these machines is an xp vm with the hardware passed through lmaoare you saying these multi million dollar machines run on these virtualized xp instances?oh well, if it works it works i guess
>>106844862That's a very niche thing. Most stuff just works with any old USB to serial adapter, or various other console port adapters. Some stuff you can interact with using specific applications over a network. The issue with the troublesome systems is that a lot of the software doesn't work outside of XP. Some of it "works" in compatibility modes, but it's hit and miss, and it's legitimately easier to just have a few XP VM images be standard issue for people going out to the field. It's not like XP VMs take up any real disk space in a world where business laptops come standard issue with 1TB drives.Again, my posts are a bit hyperbolic, but also not. Most of the time it's really mundane stuff where you can honestly plug a USB to serial adapter into your phone and expect it to work just fine because it's just a console, but every once in a while you run into some system that was made by a team of people who solved a problem in a way that makes your brain hurt looking back upon it with the advantage of a decade or two of hindsight. I mean, Christ, one of my colleagues blew up a laptop a few years ago because he plugged into what he thought was a diagnostic serial port on a machine, and they were doing power delivery for motors over a pair of the pins. 48 volts of DC power straight into the motherboard of a new business 2k business laptop. You can't make this shit up.>are you saying these multi million dollar machines run on these virtualized xp instances?No it's almost all bare metal xp embedded. You even see the occasional 64 bit xp install from time to time because the application the machine is running got so bloated they needed more RAM. I've not personally seen that, but we've got documentation for some avionics testing equipment that used that. Seems completely insane to me, but there was probably some bizarre conflux of regulatory nonsense with XP being "approved" for FAA testing while vista wasn't, even though 64 bit xp is practically a different OS.
>>106839581from my experience it's the cables that wear out, and ports tend to stay good, I've worn down type c cables to a point where they became trash before
>>106844747Zoomers are retarded
>>106844973if it's just rs232 and the like, the cisco usb adapters they make for consoles work great and you can set the baud rate in the driver on windows and it actually works correctly. only problem is you have to adapt them off the rj45 they use, but it's not that hard.
>>106839374life needs to be more confusing, 3 more usb types across 7 new devices.
>>106839374it sucks ass>>106839581the problems are pretty obvious. it's a small connector, doesnt have any retention latching, and has a large number of pins in close proximity, and the shape of it precludes good attachment to a board since you can't easily make a part of it go down for through-hole soldering.>>106840277I have like 900 of these at work and I have no fucking clue why. >>106843363That's not a "printer cable" that's USB SuperSpeed . the printer ones are picrel and a bit more sane. what anon posted are mostly used on monitors, ive never seen a printer with one
>>106839581USB-A but it's smaller when?
>>106847567Its already the perfect size, if anything USB-A needs to be bigger.
I like bothUSB3 is always necessary to have at least 4 for keyboard/mouse/mic/etc.USBC has been great for phones but the cable sucks, it also can deliver a lot more power than the cables will generally be thick enough. I will always have a USB to USBC cable around. When you need a USBC to USBC cable it just isn't there.
>>106847581>>106847567USB-A is already juuuuust rightUSB B but slightly smaller would be the GOAT connector
>>106839374I don't like it.
>>106847720no just thinking of micro 2.0 usb-a
>>106847763microUSB is still the best USB form factor and is even smaller than USB C. I don't know why we got rid of it.
>>106843441>so you need to sit there with an oscilloscope to reverse engineer the pin layouts while running software from the late 90s in a windows 2000 or XP VM and pass through hardware.Admit it: you love getting paid to do this.
>>106847848>so you need to sit there with an oscilloscope to reverse engineer the pin layouts while running software from the late 90s in a windows 2000 or XP VM and pass through hardware.god i wish that were me. Where I work we use a lot of radios and it's a mix of crying that at home I can load my own memefeng with a USB-to-RS232-to-Kenwood card and crying that the software from actual big boy radio manufacturers requires similar dongles and their software fucking sucks ass and has no documentation. I'd love to be allowed to bitbang shit >Seriously. Count your blessings that all you have to worry about is the round thing going into the square hole.yfw?
>>106839581The point was that with USB-C, the cables would be destroyed rather than the ports. It's far easier to replace a cable than it is to replace a port. The cables are sacrificial to protect the device with the port.
>>106847975Too bad USBC ports fail all the goddamn time.
>>106839581>simply because the charging port wore out from several hundred daily insertions.That's funny because your mom wasn't even a little worn out after I gave her several hundred daily insertions.
>>106848022>he cant cum after several hundred thrustssee a doctor nigga
>>106843441>X hereWhy don't you just make your points and we'll decide if they're good points or not by reading them?
>>106848029Who said I didn't cumI cum once per thrustI am severely dehydrated and both the poster's mom and his USB-C port are CAKED with semen
>>106842315> e-marked cable.What’s an “e-mark” and how do I know?
>>106843369The USB locking connector is all you need.All devices have this now, it’s the standard.
>>106839396This is why. And in my experience it's always the port that fails, not the cable. So you can't just replace a cable and be good.
>>106848044>I am severely dehydratedSEE A DOCTOR NIGGA
>>106848109OP's mom is a doctor. That's how we met after I came in his USB-C ports so much.Quite romantic when you think about it.
>>106847809> microUSBAt least it’s still mainly for serial.Usb-C has 24 pins, you could use it as a parallel port.Usb-C might have been partially legitimate if Qi charging wasn’t a thing. Like my fucking toothbrush… lol.
>>106843369Literally what's the difference between the last three
>>106839374>5G ethernet???
>>106848129>Usb-C has 24 pins, you could use it as a parallel port.Not really. IIRC the pins are mirrored and connect to the same line. >>106848137shielding and transmission distance, iirc
>>106848160https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5GBASE-T_and_5GBASE-T
>>106839581which is why i use magnetic connectors.
every device should just use screw terminals and spade connectors
>>106839374It's pointless, none of the peripherals you plug into a PC would benefit from being switched over to USB-C and the tiny as fuck connector is less reliable than the bigger USB-A.
>>106848160It's a consumer shit standard that never caught on because normalfags don't need more than 10mbits speed and anyone that needs more than USB1.0 has been on 10G for 15+ years or 100G since around corona when prices dropped to where 10G used to be a decade ago.
>>106848171Fun fact: they can adapt to the plug orientation and be used unmirrored.
>>106848400Charge/audio/data thru 3.5 mm jack instead of usb C is peak technology.
>>106848628My shitty low power soldering iron uses USB to 3.5mm Jack and while it works great something about it feels cursed
>>106839374My iPhone, iPad, Airpods, Apple Pencil and all my accessories are USB-C.
>>106848644Thank you, but don't forget the Macbook Pro, and possibly Mac Mini my good sir.
>>106848658i actually forgot my watch ultra 2 is technically usb c
>>106846764We've found the PL-2303 chipset on FTDI ones seems to work fine... mostly. There's been a handful of cases where things just don't work for inexplicable reasons. Also, you have to source stuff correctly because there's staggering amounts of counterfeit equipment out there, and it gets into the hands of legitimate suppliers occasionally. Even companies like McMaster Carr get duped on that stuff occassionally.Don't quote me on the exact model number of the chipset. I can't be fucked right now to go look it up.>>106847848I enjoy the fiddling and discovery part of the job. What I don't enjoy is having to do the tinkering while sweating like a roasting pig because it's 90 degrees and not being able to cooldown because I'm stuck in a sperm suit and a full face respirator tethered to an air hookup because it's in a powder coating facility or something equally nasty.
>>106844862It's only because industrial machinery has a lifetime measured in 10s of years instead of 1s of years.Modern industrial equipment is moving to newer standards like ethernet or weird proprietary things
>>106848072It's an electronic marker, a little chip that confirms that the cable is designed to safely handle 5A. Look in the specs for the cable for something along the lines of "e-mark," "5A," or "USB PD." In addition, any power level equal to or greater than 100W will require an e-marked cable, so that can tell you as well. Keep in mind that this only allows the device to request 5A from a compliant host. Not all devices will actually request the increased current, and not all hosts are fully compliant.>>106847071>That's not a "printer cable" that's USB SuperSpeed . the printer ones are picrel and a bit more saneIt's a USB 3.0 Type B. The one you posted is a typical pre-3.0 Type B. You can insert the cable you posted into a socket for the connector that he posted and potentially get speeds up to 480 Mbps.
>>106847932That's one dumb crow. I thought crows were supposed to be smart?
>>106849105let's see you do it if you're so smart
Tell the manufacturers of:>Cables>Webcams>Lights>Microphones>Headsets (wired and not wired)>keyboards>mice>card readersTo offer significantly better products for the same price (and with USB-C obviously) and I and most consumers will "migrate". As it stands they're as good as they were 5-10 years ago, nothing really improved and thankfully they're durable.Also I can (and do) modify devices to use USB-C instead of whatever they use, but there's just little point to have more than a few USB-C host ports these days on anything.
>>106849010>>106848072To put it in simpler terms, the device has to "talk back" to the power source to get proper power delivery, and it's on the source to deliver the power or not.I learned this because my shitty memefeng radio has "USB-C Charging" but doesn't work with PD chargers because it doesn't do that, so "smart" chargers just give up and default to 0.3A or something which won't charge the radio, so I have to use a dollar store wall fob that just happily yeets up to 2A depending on the draw of the device as it physically happens instead of negotiating power.
>>106844759Thank you, Anon
>>106849137>I learned this because my shitty memefeng radio has "USB-C Charging" but doesn't work with PD chargers because it doesn't do that, so "smart" chargers just give up and default to 0.3A or something which won't charge the radioShould be 0.5A/2.5W since that's the stock USB 1 spec, but PD devices like to only give 0.25-0.3A which was never a standard.I have had similar problems, but the problem is the power supply being retarded.Volts are "pushed" (Too much will overload and destroy the device) while amps are "pulled", the supply can give infinity-amps and the device will only draw as much as it needs.
>>106839374>let's create a universal connector so all devices can use the same cables!>almost total adoption for all devices>suddenly changes the connectorWho thought this was a good idea? What was wrong with just improving the speed like USB 3.0? Just make a backward compatible USB 4.0
>>106849203It's not quite correct, but also PD chargers are smart enough to be stupid so your description is as exact as it can get without datasheets. USB should never have been an electrical standard, just an electronic one. I seriously don't know why they didn't just go "It's 5V all the time, but amp limits are released as of 3.XX and if your wall fob is a weak baby it's a skill issue on your part for not reading it (or not trusting it if it's unlabeled)"And yeah, iirc pre-3 USB is 0.5A to 1A or thereabouts, and 'more powerful' chargers that were 2A and up would just come with a warning in the manual (or on the package) that maybe you shouldn't plug anything badly designed into it.
>>106849302you'd melt the cable if you went over 5a on those tiny ass wiresgotta up the V if you want the 140w you can get out of usb-c nowadaysthis mostly seems to be in the pursuit of single cables for laptop docks that can charge and do everything else
>>106849322>this mostly seems to be in the pursuit of single cables for laptop docks that can charge and do everything elseit's exactly that and why PD goes up to i think 20v as per the specfwiw my shitty memefeng charges happily off a dollar store 1A wall fob
>>106849302USB host 1-2 is 0.5A, USB3 host is 0.9A, those are minimums by the standard.However, devices are supposed to have a sort of "warning" where they draw 0.1A and then request as much as they need, in which case which it can be aborted in case the total load exceeds the supplys supplys capabilities but that never really worked out.>USB should never have been an electrical standardIt has to be somewhat since it does supply power to devices and it's not a pure-data standard like say VGA.>they didn't just go "It's 5V all the time, but amp limits are releasedThey did for USB1-3. Realistically nothing will draw more amps than it can handle, cause that's incredibly poor design and only a few components work like that. This problem is non-standard and introduced with USB PD.>>106849322>>106849338Yes, anything powerful like a laptop will want 20V, and no one is making a 5A 5V supply.
>>106839909asscock
>>106849510>cause that's incredibly poor designpeople still do it though, which is why USB was limited to 1A for a long time, even if only by casual agreement. then someone decided that they just HAD to charge their macbook off a "thunderbolt"
>>106848086kino
>>106849134l the manufacturers of:>Cables>Webcams>Lights>Microphones>Headsets (wired and not wired)>keyboards>mice>card readersresponded with BUY OUR STUFF AND NO WE WON'T GIVE YOU THE CABLES WE ARE DONE DOING THAT BECAUSE UHHH THEN ENVIRONMENT AND UHHH SUSTAINABILITY
>>106849529>people still do it thoughNo, because most electrical components don't work like that. A motor (like in a fan) will be made for a specified voltage, in the case of a USB one, 6V usually. it will have a inherent draw (within operating torque), maybe it's 0.5A in which case it will only draw 0.5A no matter the supply, or it's 1A in which case it just happens to be more powerful on a better supply. charging circuits for batteries inherently have current limiting too.Most situations where you would rely on the low current of the supply would be paying more to build it like that, for example if you built a light with 10W of 3.4V LEDs and relied on the supply to only offer 5v 0.5A as to not burn them out, that would be more expensive than just using some 2.5W worth of LEDs with resistors lowering the voltage to 3.3V...
>>106839581>several hundred daily insertionsUh.....
>>106839396/thread
>>106839909>>106849516beats malware installing AIDsus
>>106849777True, but then you get a vape pen where the battery is wired directly to your usb port, and it overheats and bloats or maybe explodes because the retarded americans who designed it and the chinks that greenlit it for production figured "well, 5v at 0.5a, the battery 'wants' 3.7v, it's whatever, it's all just chemistry in there and it can cope" and then your wall fob delivers 2a to it and starts a small fire.
>>106849777>>106850386If there is an electrical load that has the ability to pull more than 0.5A and is used on a standard USB port, the USB port isn't going to limit the current. What will happen is the port will be overloaded and likely shut itself off or straight up blow a fuse.There are very, very few devices with the ability to pull more than 500ma that don't have active circuits to limit the current.
