>main selling point is its repairable >cost so much that you could buy two higher spec laptops for the price of one frame workDoesn't this defeat the purpose?
Yes. People buy them to support a company that acts in good faith and is pro-consumer, as opposed to buying products that are objectively a better deal but support companies that will fuck you over every chance they get. It's okay to not buy them if you're evil, poor, or stupid. The rest of us understand and forgive you.
>>106844406Linus pls
>>106844388This is why I bought a System 76 Pangolin instead. It's just as repairable. and it has 1st class Linux support. All of the parts are replaceable and upgradable with HP laptops too.
Just learned that Framework is actively anti-troon. Unironic better PR then all the """""influncer"""" shillings I've seen
>>106844388the CEO is a jeet so its clearly a scam
If you're doing a lot of travel the only really repairable laptop will be a MacBook since it's the only one parts will be on hand anywhere in the world.Same generally goes for smart phones although popular models from Samsung, Xiaomi the parts are ubiquitous everywhere also.
>>106844388Yes it doe's and guess what when you sell your old laptop after 5y you will get 30% of your money back at minimum.
>>106844388>>106844460Both of these are too thin for an optical drive and ethernet port and are therefore shit
>>106844406There nothing good faith about that price
>>106844497I like him. Gives me a good impression that he's just as frustrated with the laptop market as I am.
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>>106844406>People buy them to support a company that acts in good faith and is pro-consumerbut what about the hitler particles?
>>106844529why do gnome troons make things they hate sound cooler than they actually are?>introducing the new framework, powered by hitler particles.
>>106844406Eat da poopoo poojeet
>>106844406Thai implies that their prices will not forever remain inflated
>>106844522It doesn't solve any actual problems like high temperatures and degrading lithium batteries, you can get a new battery for any laptop but by the time it's unusable people would rather just ditch their laptops. It addresses zero actual problems
I thought this company was killed today for supporting white supremacy and Adolf Hitler
>>106844513That couldn't be any further fromthe truth. Literal hole in the walls shops have spare parts and don't have to deal with genuine shit and drm pairings unlike Apple slop.
>>106844388well, not if it is repairable, since only 2 repairs deep and you're in the black
>>106844388>>106844406OP is right. A t14 gen 5 is 200 dollarinos cheaper than a framework 12. After 2 or 4 years, I could resell the T14G5 and add a few more to get whichever was the new kid added to the used markets.All this while having the peace of mind of having local support and cheap spare parts availability nearby.
>>106844513I travel a lot for work, just left Korea actually.Last year in Japan my L14 gen4 I think(?), you know what I did and most companies do? They tell you to grab your company card out go find a laptop you need and redownload everything from the cloud/profile/settings/etc. Expense it and then bring the old laptop back with you till you get home or a place you can ship it back into the office.That's it. If your company while traveling doesn't have some plan for accidents that happen or cloud/server based file backups/copies for any work. You're doing it wrong.
>>106845223>Last year in Japan my L14 gen4 I think(?) broke*
>>106844388First of all, it's cheaper than a new Dell or Thinkpad.Second, trannies and commies hate Framework, proof you're not one of them?
>>106844497He's a good jeet, just like Stallman is a good jew.
>>106845505>First of all, it's cheaper than a new Dell or Thinkpad.lol noTheir cheapest model is an i3 13th gen for 550 no anything, to add ram/ssd and the expansion slots for basic functionality you're looking at around 800 1x8GB stick/512SSD.For what is essentially the basic model in cost, I can get picrel w/ 1 year warranty and go.
>>106844990Here in the Netherlands the T14 gen 5 is about as expensive as the base Framework 13, so why would I pick the former?
>>106845505I'm a commie™ and if my laptop broke today I'd get a Framework
>>106845574I'm inclined to think you're right with your overall point, but the laptop in your picture isn't a ThinkPad.
>>106845574can't believe americans get their chinese laptops this cheaphere a thinkpad with the specs costs €2000 at least while a framework with the same specs is more like €1500
>>106845574Not bad, you can upgrade the ram yourself, it's 200 euro for 96Gb sodimm
>>106844388Its repairable what?
people who demand infinitely repairable technology to the detriment of every other feature are genuinely mentally ill and need helpyou need to let go and realise life is too short to hoard every last piece of junk you ever buyi guarantee they all grew up extremely poor and have deep seated anxiety and trauma from it
>>106846221>just throw out perfectly good tech because mr. shekelberg has decided you need an upgradeNo thanks
>>106846246>perfectly good techyou keep your granddads typewriter faggot? move on, life is too short to hoard junk
>>106844526unfathomably gay
>>106845584what kind of commie tho
>>106844388you must be literally retarded if you think that it costing 2x as much as an unspecified other laptop "defeats the purpose" of being able repair your laptop. like literally everything you said screams that you're an irredeemable nigger with zero critical thinking skills.
>>106844470based.. how do you know this?
>>106846291Short and hairy
>>106844470framework is literally tinkertroon incarnate thoughlike it does not get more troon than holding onto old laptops instead of just buying a new one
>>106844406>support a companyno wonder zoomers donate to streamers
>>106844388>repairable>pretty nice quality>then donates my money to brainless /pol/tard niggers who make mediocre software or shitty arch linux ricesthey were at least kinda cool till doing that.
>>106844406fpbp & /thread
>>106844695most likely yes... They also do discounts on older motherboards.
>>106844388They're going to be left behind if they don't start making smart glasses soon
>>106844388kys shill
>>106844406>support companies that will fuck you over every chance they getAh yes, and framework is so much better because they just fuck you over from the beginning with batch shipment and absurd pricing.I'll spend $3k on a $1.5k laptop and wait 8 months to get it but I also get the privilege of buying upgraded parts when it arrives and doing the labor myself. Checkmate atheists!
>>106844706Replaceable laptop batteries are not as expected as they used to be. That's at least not a knock against them.The cells themselves matter less in this case since obviously they can be replaced. And since their specifications are open, anyone could design and use a better cell once developed. And from what I can see from the news, multiple non-Framework people have been making advances in battery tech.You may consider this a cop out but I'm trying to highlight that we as consumers are not soley dependent on Framework itself to solve all the problems, the benefit of their open designs lets anyone outdo them at their own game, for the benefit of us all, at any point in time.I.e. I could just buy their shell and then get some experimental nuclear battery bullshit from China and slot it in myself.I don't have to be an important person at a big company and make vendor specific requests to companies like Dell, IBM, et al. anytime I want something custom made. Whether its the main board, battery, whatever.I really admire this as a cheapass who prefers to keep and maintain things long term.I don't like getting used to a product and then switching to a new one every year. If it's good and I'm familiar with it, I want to keep using it forever just with component upgrades.
>>106849080Adding something that may or may not be obvious>And since their specifications are open, anyone could design and use a better cell once developed.This extends not just to innovations, but costs too. It's possible for someone to make and sell framework compatible components that are cheaper than Framework themselves can.I don't know if anyone is doing this, but if someone out there looks at their business model and thinks they can do it better, they actually could.It's not hard for me to believe the Chinese are already doing this, but I haven't actually checked myself yet. But surely you can imagine cheap modules being made and you could compromise and use those over first party ones if it mattered to you, or go the other extreme and make your own high quality ones better than theirs while still being compatible.>words words wordsThe caffeine pill be hittin.
The mass produced unrepairable product is cheaper... While the low volume product using bespoke swappable parts is more expensive... I feel like there's some link there, but I can't quite figure it out...
>>106844406>The rest of us understandYes.>and forgive you.Speak for yourself.
>>106844518Here you go>an optical driveNothing includes optical drives anymore, even desktops
>>106844960Yeah, I was going to say...I've been to a lot of countries(admittedly mostly Asian and NA ones, so there's a bias here), and in my experience essentially if there is an Apple Store there, there's also always going to be some massive extensive 'tech mall' full of little specialized booths and shops that will likely have whatever you need. And places that don't have Apple Stores are seemingly more likely to still have those specialized tech malls as well. I'm not sure on the exact state where Apple Stores are located, but there's always some tech scene since people need computer and computer repair. Trying really hard to think of an example where you could get an Apple device repaired that wouldn't have something like a 'tech district' where people get their lower cost devices repaired(as well and buy/sell/trading). Maybe it's different in Africa or EU or something?
>>106844406>>106844388I would be for them if they were trying to make a modern thinkpad and not a woke "repairable" macbook (you had space for an HDD in the framework 16 faggots).
>>106844406If you need to buy parts for an already expensive laptop when the build quality should be sturdy enough in that price bracket, you are neither good, rich, or smart; you are just stupid.
This is literally nigger logic.>"WHY COME DA TWINKIE COST LESS DEN DA APPLES? I CAN BUY TWO TWINKIE FO DA COST OF ONE APPLE. I GUESS I HAVE TO EAT DA TWINKIES.">"I WISH DA APPLES WASN'T INTENTIONALLY OVERPRICED BY A CABAL OF GREEDY JEWISH CAPITALISTS! OH WELL, GUESS I HAVE DIABETES NOW. THERE WAS NO ALTERNATIVE TO THIS COURSE OF ACTION, SEEING AS HOW I PERSONALLY PREFER TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF PRODUCT I RECEIVE IN EVERY CASE, EVEN IF I KNOW IT'S GARBAGE."
>>106844497the main investor is a jew with ties to the CCP and the firmware is proprietary Chinese and probably full of backdoors
>>106850180Accidents happen, people break things all of the time, at least you can DIY instead of relying on "authorized" "tech" who just paid for a certification.
>>106850238or you can put on your big pants and get each of your spare parts from the net instead of relying on a single company to stay alive until then...If Thinkfags anons were able to do it why not you ?
>>106850282As anons pointed out, all of the hardware is available for anyone to make. If there is a demand for it some Chinese company will make Framework parts.https://github.com/frameworkComputer
>>106850180So this is the logic of autistic guys wearing Walmart shoes instead of buying a real pair of leather boots to last them for decades. "If I'm paying $300 for some boots - I shouldn't ever have to resole them in the first place! I can buy 20 pairs of ugly plastic disposable Walmart shoes for that kind of money. I'll just keep looking like a freak and filling up the landfills! I'M REALLY FUCKING SMART AND LOGICAL - LIKE SPOCK!"
>>106850322>autistic guys>buy shoes at Walmart instead of Marshalls
>>106844388this is genuinely something i pondereda decently specd macbook can last easily 6 to 8 years, and I've seen plenty of people still rocking their 10-year-old macbooks pro without hiccups, even olderso ultimately, is it better to buy a high quality laptop with long lifespan or a thinkerer laptop that can easily be repaired during its lifespan?i don't have an answer, and I wanted to buy the framework, but I ended up with a macbook pro because frameworks ended up costing a fuck of a lot more in my country thanks to retaliatory tariffs.
>>106846913muh form factorDoesn't really apply to Frameworks, though
>>106849360>Nothing includes optical drives anymore, even desktopswe are living in the ruins of a greater society
>>106851636>fagbook with fag osNot interested.
>>106844388>cost is the only downsidepoorfag
>>106844670>introducing the new framework, powered by hitler particlescan I preorder that?
>>106844406holy based
>>106851636>and I've seen plenty of people still rocking their 10-year-old macbooks pro without hiccups>Dual core Intel Mac that could barely handle web browsing
>>106845574>40GB RAMso 8GB soldered and 32GB SODIMM?>>106845223Or you buy apple and take it to an apple store for repair. If they can't/won't fix/replace it buy a new one. Remotely enroll the laptop in mdm and it sets itself up again.
>>106844388also their firmware is full of bugs and every time they release another it breaks something else
>>106852376running an amd ai 350 after upgrading from the 11th get intel i7 and have had 0 firmware issues. intel i7 was their first gen and had a bad rtc battery design but i use that as a server that never turns off now so its good.
I hate how the Framework community is a bunch of retarded lefty brown trannies.
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>>106853152the second monitor would be better with a right angle cable
>>106853152Nirav Patel claims that the trackpoint would crack the screen.I assume the owner doesn't see the use case for closing the lid.
>>106846270>you keep your granddads typewriter faggot?Yes
>>106844388CEO is a jeet. That's a no buy from me fren.
>>106851769The vast majority of media nowadays is obtained online, either via downloads or streaming. Spending the money to incorporate a disk drive on your laptop/desktop is not worth it and is frankly a waste of space. Even if you do buy physical media, it's either gonna be played on a dedicated playback device (e.g. DVD/Blu-ray player), or if you're going to make a rip of the media and likely never touch the physical media again unless something happens to the digital copy.
