Usecase?
>>106864451extra binds for my bideo baems
Quick navigation. I absolutely hate Insert and Delete, though.
>>106864464Insert, I understand. What's wrong with delete?
>>106864485I just think it would be convenient if it merged with Backspace and had its functionality accessible with a modifier key.
>>106864451End is great for (((infinite scrolling))) sites
>>106864451imagine not having a use for home and end. what a sperg
>>106864451Switching between overwrite and insert, deleting characters, and navigating through text easier.
>>106864451I'm way too used to one hand on WASD and one hand on the mouse for those keys to be useful, they're in a very inconvenient spot for this setup. But I would imagine that if I had set up browser navigation to be keyboard only, using those Vimium extensions whatever they're called, then I'd have much more use for those keys.
>>106864451Other than the insert key, I can't imagine how you aren't using these all the time.
>>106864451I actually do use delete, end and home. Never once used insert and only used page up/down in vidya
>>106864451convenience
>>106864570Afaik there are limited form-factor keyboards that do this and hardware-map shift+backspace to delete. But yeah- it would be a nice thing in general to save on an unneeded key....What'd you turn it into though?
>>106864451Page/Home/End are great for navigating in less or journald. Delete im starting to use more but insert is just not very good
hard mode
>>106865260All very good and useful keys.
>>106864451Copy and pasteDelete character after |Quickly jump to beginning of documentQuickly jump to end of documentScroll one screen upScroll one screen downYou should have learned that in school, anon.
>>106864451I get all but "Insert"
Every key that is not on a 60% keyboard is an obsolete legacy key, which is accessible through the fn layer only for backwards-compatibility.
>>106864451
>>106865260Why is the print screen key hard mode?
>>106865468Holy fuck, when did 4chans default images get so low resolution untill you expand then? I don't remember it being this bad.
>>106864451>>106865260scroll lock/pause/insert you assign commands on loonix. all useful
>>106865503the image isn't much better when you expand it desu
>>106864610>Switching between overwrite and insertNo one has ever used this "feature" on purpose. The only purpose of the insert key is to turn that shit off for your parents when they get confused and ask you for help, but the other keys are useful.
>>106865589It's pretty bad now that I've noticed.
>>106864451How am I supposed to get home without it?ysagy
>>106864451I use all of those but Home and Insert
>>106864451i use them all the time except insert which doesnt make sense
>>106865592you use it when working with plaintext tables
Get a programmable 60%. All the functionality of a full size keyboard from the home row.
>>106865766This. Old school keyboards are just worse by all metrics.
I use all of em except insert. Insert annoys me
>>106865766If it's missing keys it doesn't have all functionality you dumb fuck
>>106866150Do you need extra keys for each capital letter?
>>106865260You can use the Pause button to pause scripts running in a cmd window. I learned this recently.
>>106866159It doesn't matter if I need it or not, it doesn't have all functionality period. The advantage of 60% is being compact, not functionality. Some people use numpad like in accounting or blender. Where's the numpad in 60%? Peope use key bindings for gaming. Where are the extra keys? Maybe it's good enough for you but it doesn't have all functionality and it's not better in all metrics like the other anon is saying. It's a compromise.
>>106866191If it's programmable you hold down a button and you get the numpad wherever you want it.Same logic as how you need to hold down shift to get symbols or on many keyboards fn to get f-keys.
>>106866212Oh yeah very convenient. Totally all functionality. Like 100% keyboards don't have that too.
>>106866222Ok, I was a bit sloppy. Technically it's worse by at least one metric, you need one more key press for some functions, but for symbols it's the same because you don't need shift.But it's the same functionality as in you can send every keycode.
>>106864451>delete>endnigga I use these all the time. Do those creamy thonky 300$ 80% keyboards not have that or what?
>>106864451Zeroing in my milsims.
>>106866110What does it do? control+v?
>>106866261If you program the keys and you're fine with holding the function key yes. To add to your argument most people don't know mechanical keyboards are programmable and today it's standard and open source.
>>106866295It overwrites whatever letter is in front of the cursor. So if you accidentally enable it you type over what you already typed which is annoying
>>106866150>raising your hand to use dedicated keys because you are too retarded to use a 4th modifier keyretard
>>106866324toggle switches like caps and insert should not exist.
>>106865979What makes you think all is a metric?
>>106864451>Usecase?Navigating pages where retarded Indians overload arrow keys *and scrolling.*Of course then there's YouTube where sometimes page up/down seeks the video when it's in focus which is just mindbendingly retarded.
>>106864451This is how a browse 4chan.
>>106866386Better question yet: why doesn't insert mode have a dedicated LED among other annoying locks?
>>106866436Stealth rape button.
>>106866436because you see it on the screen: the cursor is a block instead of a line between characters
>>106866436Oh apparently it's because the state doesn't persist across applications. Insert isnt a keyboard toggle, it's done in software.
>>106864451I use the home and end keys all the time when editing code. I use pg up and pg down occasionally when paging through man pages or something like that. I use delete rarely. I never use insert.
>>106866369You're the retard that doesn't understand it's way more convenient and faster to just press a key, but no, you want to go full retard and stubborn and think it's not true. Go ahead, show how much of a mule you are.
>>106866568Why don't we just have a copy button? Why don't we just have a paste button?Explain how it is "more convenient and faster" to lift your hand from the home row, push a key, and reseat your hand compared to hold caps with your pinky and pressing another key on the home row. You can't. You won't. You are simply too brain damaged and need a dedicated key.
>>106866568In the end you should use whatever works best for you. I was even thinking about getting a programmable kb with arrow keys but the advantage (for my subjective workflow) is that I also get home row mods on my navigation layer, which feels very nice for ctrl + shift + arrows. The second thing is that I have pgup, pgdown, home and end right to my arrow keys now. I almost never used them before because it was awkward to reach when my hand was on the arrows, even though the arrows themselves felt nice.I used to view small programmable keyboards as a huge meme but now I think they really solve some very practical issues.
>>106866683Having a function layer with macros is a fucking game changer. I pity people who stick to default settings and are terrified of making improvements to their workflow.
>>106866324That is actually not correct. Overwrite was the original behavior this key made it so, that you could insert instead of overwriting, if your software supported that. Now insert is the default so the insert key actually turns insert off.
>>1068656124chan's datacenter located in an undisclosed location doesn't have all the storage in the world, does it
Of course. Here is a summary formatted for a quick, scannable 4chan-style post.>>**Navigation Keys Cheat Sheet*** **Insert (Ins):** Toggles Overwrite mode. Don't touch it.* **Home:** Jump to **start of line**.* **Page Up (PgUp):** Scroll up one screen.* **Delete (Del):** Erase character in *front* of cursor.* **End:** Jump to **end of line**.* **Page Down (PgDn):** Scroll down one screen.**Pro-Tier:**`Ctrl + Home` = Top of document`Ctrl + End` = Bottom of documentNow you can navigate without the mouse, newfriend.
>>106866802>* **Insert (Ins):** Toggles Overwrite mode. Don't touch it.I can use it in Vim instead of i to start writing.
>>106866825>having your right palm on anything than jkl in vimshyggy
>>106866825>I can use the key that is light years away to start typing instead of using key that's already under my fingerFor what fucking purpose you should use Insert instead of i?
>>106866844It's a matter of can not of must. Also ins lets you toggle to replace.>>106866851It's not a matter of should but of can. Also ins lets you toggle to replace
>>106866674I don't need to explain anything. You already showed how retarded you are.
>>106866683That's correct. I'm not saying 100% is better for everyone but saying 60% is just as good is delusional. It's a compromise. You're trading number of keys for compactness.
>>106867325You can't give a counterargument because you have none. You lost. Enjoy your inferior setup you cretin.
>>106867349>it's a compromiseYour complete failure to explain why speaks volumes. Your position is literally "more keys is better".You're an actual retard lol
>>106864451None, its garbage. Just get an 1800 format keyboard. Its what makes TKL boards retarded, you're still keeping a ton of useless keys and getting rid of an objectively useful numpad.
>I don't need to explain anything.
>>106867373I don't need to make an argument. You already made the argument yourself. You retardly tried to pretend pressing one key is less convenient but it's obviously not true. Your own comment spoke volumes. That's how retarded you are and anyone can see it, except you, coping.
>>106864451Rotating blocks in Space Engineers
>>10686445185% keyboard supremacy
>>106864451home goes up end goes down on the same linepage up goes up and page down goes down on every linedelete is self explanatory i don't really use insert
>>106867445Explain how it is "more convenient and faster" to lift your hand from the home row, push a key, and reseat your hand compared to hold caps with your pinky and pressing another key on the home row. You can't. You won't. You are simply too brain damaged and need a dedicated key. You need to lift your hand from the home row because you are too retarded to use a modifier.You have no retort. You've been raped. I accept your concession.
>>106867544Because it just is. I don't need to explain any further. The fact you don't get it is laughable and you're insisting in your stupid idea. Besides I can also map your "shortcut" with a full keyboard. Ever thought of that?
>>106864451Are you fucking retarded or something?
>>106867573Ok, I counter with: Because it just isn't.That's how fucking stupid you sound. I accept your concession.
>>106867573>Besides I can also map your "shortcut" with a full keyboard. Ever thought of that?Yeah, and have a bunch of keys you never use. Dear god you are actually brain damaged LOL
>>y-yeah well, why not add the navigation keys, macros, and numpad to the alphanumerics on a full sized keyboard a-a-and have a bunch of redundant keys on your k-keyboard?
>>106864451i literally have home, end, page up and page down keybinded to my mouse for navigating 4chan.its one of the best things ive done with my "gamer" mouse.
>>106865260>play music>pause button doesn't pause
>>106867777>place buttplug on your bum lips>insert key inserts the buttplug in your bum ring
>>106864451This is the technology boardAnd faggots don't even know what these keys are for4chan is dead
>>106864570I do this on my 65% keyboardFn+Backspace is the Delete key
>>106864464>>106864485>>106864570chords are a mistake
>>106864451Browsing web pages in general, navigating text, deleting text. I use every single one of those keys except Insert on a daily basis from web browsing alone.>>106864570Retarded idea.
>>106867652>Yeah, and have a bunch of keys you never use.There are a million reasons to have actual arrow keys. You expect me to believe you're playing games while holding caps lock all day?The basic reality is that retarded 60% boards are a whole 19mm less wide than a 75%. Okay, you don't want a numpad, but why are you throwing away all those keys for no reason?
>>106868495This is why 65% w/ 4-key nav cluster is king
>>106868539nah f row is based. I gotta keep modifier key when changing tty or change boot at startup fuck that. 75% is where it's at
>>106864451extra binds for video games, super handy when shitposting on 4chinz (not "Insert", though), and they make my keyboards look slightly cooler.
>>106868539I mean, vertical desk space is even less useful than horizontal. You've got to be retarded to get rid of F keys.
>>106868611> vertical desk space is even less useful than horizontalwhat a braindead take, you solder on it. and I also have F keys. just get a wider desk anon
>>106868640If 30mm is the difference between being able to solder or not on your desk, you need a bigger desk, man.
>>106868539For anyone who does any actual work, dedicated F keys and the full nav cluster are required Maybe if all you do is play video games on your toy then a 65% is enough
>You expect me to believe you're playing games while holding caps lock all day? Holy shit you actually just stick to defaults on all your shit. I was correct. You rebind your keys you fucking retard. >There are a million reasons to have actual arrow keys. And you couldn't name a single one.>Okay, you don't want a numpadI have a numpad you fucking retard. How are you so clueless about programmable 60%s? >but why are you throwing away all those keys for no reason?If I can access those functions from the home row, then having a dedicated key to perform that action is completely pointless.You are actually so, so, so, cripplingly retarded.
>>106868665nah I just push the keyboard up a bit and have plenty space. this way monitor is also a bit farther and I don't *need* 4K
>>106868495>>106868773
>>106864451Insertion, deletion, homing, ending, paging up and down.
>>106867950>t.
>>106868702I just use tabbed terminalsFn key + number row mimics F-keys well enough for everything else
>>106864451Absolute must for everything from webpage navigation to IDE navigationCan't imaging how much worse things would be for a programmer if he couldn't quickly jump pages back and forth
>>106868702For anyone who does any actual work, a programmable 60% granting you access to every keyboard function from the alphanumerics is required. Raising your hand, finding the key, pressing the key, then reseating your hand is objectively bad for productivity.
>anons not using Shift+Insert to paste to the terminal and to other places since it's always the same and not changing based on it being terminal or not
>>106865468Real power users use win+shift+S
>>106869537That's for a region screenshot. Different purpose. I'm not sure Windows has a window screenshot. It would be handy for Windows users.
>>106869654It has a fullscreen screenshot (regular PrtScn) and an active window screenshot (Alt+PrtScn)
>>106869673Ok good enough. I prefer clicking the window but that works too.
>>106869736Win+Shift+S also lets you do that if you change the behaviour from a dropdown. At least on Windows 11.The region screenshot is just the default behaviour
>>106866740I used very nearly this in an AutoHotkey script I wrote, except Ctrl+PgUp/Dn instead of Home/End (which I put on the bottom row). Ctrl+PgUp/Dn are another way to switch tabs in most programs and my text editor them it to jump between paragraphs of code separated by blank lines.My laptop has thermal issues now so I've been using my Steam Deck as a makeshift PC. It's Arch (btw) and I've looked into alternatives like kanata or keyd but haven't tried to jump in yet. Seems it's default configured to lock down the system software so most extra user software is just Flatpaks.
>>106864570You should also mention that the function key should be where the left ctrl key is.
>>106869364thats why you have nubs on the f and j keys muppet
>>106870321Yes. And Ctrl should be where Caps Lock is. There's plenty of things wrong with the standard layout, but fixing them at home means I end up stumbling a lot at work.
>>106870438notice how I didn't say "finding the j key" you giga retard, I said reseat your hand. learn to read
