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>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8
AVOID: NXZT, 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500

>CPU
Budget: 9600X, 7600X, 7500f
Gaming: AMD X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
AVOID Shittel

>COOLER
AIO: Best Value: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Premium LCD: TRYX Panorama
Double towers: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, Noctua NH-D15 G2

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid purchases for new builds but if you have an ASRock mobo and Zen 5 CPU update it to the latest BIOS ASAP which may or may not solve the melting issue.

>RAM
Gaming: DDR5 2x16GB 6000CL30
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: NM790
Mid range: SN7100
Premium: SN850X
Flagship: SN8100

>GPU
1080p: RX 9060 XT 16GB, Poorfag Esports Gaming: Used GPU between $100-$250
1440p: RX 9070 XT, RX 9070, Budget: RX 9060 XT 16GB
4K:Used RTX 4090, RX 9070 XT
Workstation: Used RTX 4090 or RTX 3090 ti
AVOID RTX 50 Series: False advertising "5070=4090 performance!!", unsafe power connector, broken drivers, overpriced compared to RDNA 4 in most regions, threatening reviewers, manipulating and faking reviews, evil anti-consumer company etc.
ALWAYS pair AMD GPUs with AMD CPUs for SAM https://imgur.com/a/6XSNJ9b

>PSU
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
https://www.rtings.com/monitor

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2

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>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/
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What chink mouse is closest to a G Pro Superlight?
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>>106871918
I have a vgn draongfly moba and it's great and only costs like half
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>>106871886
trying to hold on the next generation of CPUs is hard when all these sales are going on anons...
I don't even need it. I just feel the need to CONSOOOOOOOOOOOM
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>>106871918
I have the same mouse as this >>106871981 anon and yeah it's pretty cool.
I think they released a newer version of it though at the same price or something
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What's a good wireless ergonomic gaming mouse? There's too many to choose from...
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Concise GPU and CPU guide for newfags
>Intel + Nvidia = Faggot Normie Consoomer or Indian
>Ryzen + Nvidia = Reddit
>Intel + Arc = Brain Damage
>Ryzen + Arc = Schizo
>Intel + Radeon = Schizo
>Ryzen + Radeon = Real PC Enthusiast #Pewdiepie approved
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Am i getting this right?
>well reviewed AM5 board
>well reviewed 1 or 2 tb nvme
>well reviewed 16x2 6000 30CL ram
>well reviewed 750 gold psu
>phantom spirit cooler
>1440p 160hz+ screen

Then depending on my budget
>9600x 7800x3d 9800x3d
>9070 9070xt 5070TI
The first combo being about 1100, then 1500, then 1800.
Any spare budget can be used to spruce a bit the components on the first part

This is the basic build right now? Im not hurting for money but i dont care for aesthetics, or features i will never use. I want a machine to watch youtube, send emails and play vidya for the next 4-6 years and then do this process again.
Thank you
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>>106872175
>Also a well reviewed ample case so i have a bit of extra room when building the pc as i dont have the most experience.

>Any spare budget can be used to spruce a bit the components on the first part
Meant spruce up obviously, just saw that it looked weird
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>>106872175
Mostly correct but a few things
>>well reviewed 750 gold psu
750 would be fine but consider 850 as a potential spruce up
>>106872175
>>phantom spirit cooler
Consider an AIO instead. They are very cheap now.

For cpu and gpu I would say 7800x3d and 9070 xt will do pretty well and you can put the extra 300 dollars towards getting a good 1440p oled

Good luck with your build anon
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>>106872175
Don't use AIO. There's no benefit except aesthetic. And it needs maintenance. Air coolers are better
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>>106872217
> I would say 7800x3d and 9070 xt will do pretty well
Its currently my preferred combo, unsure on the comparisons with the 5070TI, as this board is nigh unusable on that regard with all the memery and shit flinging. I dont think i need anything extra the 5070TI offers but i also would feel like crap if in 2 years i can activate a feature on a game or whatever cause its locked behind some nvidia shit, i dont really care that much for ray/path tracing. I dont need my games to be in ultra with all the shit activated.
>750 would be fine but consider 850 as a potential spruce up
Noted, i have noticed that there isnt a massive price difference between 650 750 850 for similar quality psu. The 750 i was eyeing is about 25€ cheaper than the 850 one i would pick. So i will consider it

>Consider an AIO instead. They are very cheap now.
>>106872332
>Don't use AIO
Im most likely sticking to a good air cooler, the case will sit on the ground outside view so any aesthetic edge would be lost (besides me not really caring for it).
I would consider an aio if it was needed from a performance point of view, if the cooler wouldnt be enough for my choice of cpu.

Thank you.

I removed the base 9070 off the list of possibles and replaced it with 5060TI 16gb on the cheapest combo with the 9600x, for one is cheaper and for another the 9070 seems like a bad deal overall, if im in a position where i would pick one i would just pick an xt model for 90€ more.
I have made a couple configurations on pcpartpicker. Will probably wait for black friday in case i can save 50€ or something like that among all the pieces.
Any further advice is more than welcome
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>>106872350
>would feel like crap if in 2 years i can activate a feature on a game or whatever cause its locked behind some nvidia shit
can't activate
i should proof read these posts
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>>106872350
I honestly also consider going 4k. It's 2025, why would anyone settle for anything less? The difference between QHD and UHD is enormous to be honest. But that also basically force you in getting the 5070 ti. Since the biggest advantage of nvidia is getting DLSS. You'd definitely see the power at a 4k screen. It's right now years ahead of AMDs FSR. Also way more games support it.
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>>106872381
>It's 2025, why would anyone settle for anything less?
Space constraints on the desk and viewing distance. 24" 1080p is perfectly fine. The majority of mainstream games cannot be run on 4k without upscaling and frame gen as well.
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>>106872411
27" 4k is best for high ppi and easily fit on any desk.
>upscaling and framegen
And that makes it bad how? Except the 5090 no card runs 4k native. DLSS makes it look even better.
>24" 1080p is fine
Lol. Lmao
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>>106872381
Im the anon you responding to
Im not the biggest graphics fidelity enthusiast, i dont mind playing a game with my settings on medium if that is what it takes for it to run smooth.
Also i think that the 5070TI would be too much on an "entry level 4k card" and it would fall short of 4k demands too soon for vidya.
Im fine sitting this one out and moving to 1440p (im on a 59hz 1080p monitor right now) and getting to 4k on the next change in a couple/few years.
I appreciate the advice, i dont think its for me right now tho.

>>106872411
>Space constraints on the desk
Im planning to move to 27 1440p and salvage this current monitor as second monitor. I havent considered the space, i will need to do some rearranging actually. Literally hadn't thought of it.

Thank you.
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>>106872453
I had a 4k 27" and didn't really see much of a difference compared to 27" 1440p other than games having lower fps which I find much more noticeable.
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>>106872469
A human eye can't see a difference above 60 fps which you'll run minimum with DLSS on at 4k. If you didn't see a difference between QHD and UHD you either bought trashy calibrated monitors or have eye issues.
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>>106871886
quick question

1st ngdp
core reactor ii
vita gm

which one?
all are 850w
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>>106872131
ryzen x3d + rtx = patrician
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>>106872534
ryzen x3d + rtx = console migrant
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>>106872482
Human eyes don't see in fps just like they don't see in ppi. If you're not glued to your monitor assuming normal 20/20 vision at recommended distance the difference between 4k and 1440p is minimalistic.
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>>106872557
False all around. Text clarity and crispness is a gigantic difference between 1440p and 4k, assuming they're the same sized monitors viewed at the same distance.
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>>106872568
Like I said don't be glued to your monitor. Recommended viewing distance for 27" is around 80 cm and at this point the difference is minimalistic. You can use 4k as AA alternative here but the drop in fps is just not worth it.
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>>106872131
>Steamdeck = Family/Job faggot
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>>106872582
80cm is like the max you'd want to use 27" at and you can definitely see the difference between 4k and 1440p even at that distance
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>>106872582
The drop in fps once again is neglible and well compensated with DLSS on. 4k DLSS >> 1440P native. Most people don't sit at that max distance, 60 cm would be a more generous estimation and at that point only a blind person wouldn't be able to tell the difference
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>>106872604
>80cm is like the max you'd want to use 27"
What? The lowest recommendations are around 60 cm going up to 1m. I personally find 65 cm too close already.
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>>106872625
thats your personal preference but monitor distance recommendations are usually based on resolution with a minimum somewhere around an arms length

the upper end of human vision gives puts you at about 1.1 meters before ppi exceeds visual acuity for a 27" screen at 4k
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>>106872624
>4k DLSS >> 1440P
I've read this a few times already but I'm still not convinced. Of course if you have a 4k monitor 1440p will look like ass due to the scaling factor but with a 1440p monitor? Modern AA is garbage but one can use DLAA at this point as well that seems to be less janky as quality upscaled 1440p to 4k.
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Any pointers on this one, just for gaming for the next 5 years? Would you change something because of reliability or because of compatibility? Buying from Finland:
Cpu 7800x3d
Gpu Sapphire pulse 9070 xt
Ssd WD Black SN850X 2TB
Ram Gskill Trident Z5 NEO 6k 2x 16gb
MB Asus tuf gaming b650-plus
Psu Corsair rm850x
Case Lian Li lancool216rx
Cooling Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 se
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>>106872743
I meant more like that a 4k monitor using DLSS is way better than a 1440p monitor running natively, trying to make the case that even if you dont run your 4k monitor natively, it will still outperform a 1440p monitor. Of course, a 1440p monitor upscaling to 4k resolution will look garbage.
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>>106872131
enthusiasts dont buy locked down and gimped gaming only hardware, Radeon is non starter
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>>106872810
personally not a fan of the lancool 216 because 160mm fans are ass to find replacements for but otherwise fine
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>>106872810
absolutely fine overall
if im being picky there HAS to be a reason for the sapphire pulse to have been the cheapest 9070xt ever since the release, maybe check some model comparisons and see if there are better options that arent much more expensive
you can probably pick a cheaper set of ram, mobo and hard drive and never notice the difference
you CURRENTLY dont need the 850w psu if a 750 psu is available at a better/much better price
the case is up to debate, i personally find the montech air 903 to be simply perfect for those budget conscious builds and is probably slightly cheaper, but i understand cases are also about looks
Again, its perfectly fine if you rather click buy, just worth to give those points a check up, just in case

I have no idea what the pic says, i literally googled finnish memes and picked the first image
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>>106872840
you can adjust the mounting bracket to use 120/140mm fans though
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>>106872722
>are usually based on resolution with a minimum somewhere around an arms length
You could just use math https://phrogz.net/tmp/ScreenDensityCalculator.html
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>>106873105
yes I used a calculator to get those numbers
not sure what your point is
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>>106872810
pick tray only
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Which one should I get?
Also what would you change?
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Im gonna be getting a 9950x3d soon. Will my thermalright phantom spirit evo be enough to cool it during use?
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>>106873629
There's an easy way to check. Look at the TDP of the processor and then check the max TDP of the cooler. 9950x3d I think is 170 to 230 and the cooler you've got can cool around 240ish TDP. So it's quite close. Honestly for 9950x and up I would probably try and get an AIO in 280mm preferably or 360mm if you have to.
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Not sure if this is the right thread, but what would be the best solution to remote play from my desktop to my TV in the living room?
No way I'm paying some crazy amount for the discontinued Steam Link. Just need to have something that runs the steam link app or steam itself on 5G wifi.
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>>106873601
>Which one should I get?
Between those two the bottom.
>Also what would you change?
The 7800X3D runs fine on air so no to pay extra for an AIO, see:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/25.html
Overpaying for PSU, RAM, & NVME. Cases is a little expensive too, but that's a personal choice.
Any specific features are looking for in your motherboard, because very often the more expensive boards having extra USB or PCIe slots is not something every user actually needs.
My recommended edits: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9jz8Dj
~£300 Saved.

Also why the 4090 (and what monitor are you using)? Have or gonna get on OLED?
If you plan to do a lot of AI stuff I guess a "budget" 5090 would be a good deal for the perf uplift (~32%) over the 4090 + extra VRAM:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jcYfrH/msi-ventus-3x-oc-geforce-rtx-5090-32-gb-video-card-geforce-rtx-5090-32g-ventus-3x-oc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA72xZmUSzc

Lol, glad I did not follow my impulse to get the RTX5070.

If you test long enough, the VRAM gets full, and in the case of BF6 the 8GB version becomes a choppy shit GPU.
You don't see that with minutes into the bench, which is why you don't see that reported often.
Those review guys just start the game, get 5 minutes at max of diddling around and call it a day.

12GB Vram is not enough, already in 2025, guess what will happen in 2026 and 2027?
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>>106873672
You're probably better off asking in the stupid questions thread. What do you want to stream? For TV, movies and porn there's options. For gaming I don't have any idea. But a quick google search brought up this video and the Apollo program. Might be worth a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERC7UrkRL2c
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I have an RTX 3060 12GB and a ryzen 5 3600. How are my specs for gaming in 2025/2026?
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>>106873669
Thing is, I already have a gpu aio so that might turn into a mess. I should just build an actual watercooled pc one of these days.
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>>106873755
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>>106873706
the retards spamming that one beta benchmark are awful quiet now
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>>106873699
Thanks bro that's a nice build! I'll use that instead of my list.
I want to do some AI stuff with LLM's, but I'm mainly thinking about gaming so 4090 and saving 300+ seems a bit better.
Definitely an OLED screen. I was thinking about an ultrawide from Dell 3440x1440.
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I'm in a deeply troubling mood. Lost my job and I really want to burn money right now. That 9800X3D is looking mighty fine.
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>>106873706
guess it doesn't scale well with more cores
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>>106873834
>Thanks bro that's a nice build! I'll use that instead of my list.
No problem.
>I want to do some AI stuff with LLM's, but I'm mainly thinking about gaming so 4090 and saving 300+ seems a bit better.
Sound reasonable.
>Definitely an OLED screen. I was thinking about an ultrawide from Dell 3440x1440.
I caution against UWs in OLED because they get updated with the latest gen panels least frequently and their pixel density is poor which means heavy color fringing on text due to having non-striped-RGB subpixel layouts. I'd get a 32" or preferably 27" 4K OLED instead like this:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/sj2j4D/msi-mpg-272urx-qd-oled-270-3840-x-2160-240-hz-monitor-mpg-272urx-qd-oled
There will be 27" 5K models announced @ CES with availability in prob March/April as well if your display purchase is gonna be a big investment, but you may not want to wait that long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqhtvBFWoxY

>>106873835
>I'm in a deeply troubling mood.
>Lost my job
>I really want to burn money right now.
Maybe sleep on that decision for awhile?
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>>106873777
You may be totally fine with your current cooler. My advice is to try it. If you are thermal throttling during high gaming or work loads then you can consider an AIO. Found a reddit thread with your cooler on a 9950x3d that was running at 87c. Although it's not really a big problem to hit those temps it would be better to consider if you can fit a 280mm AIO in your case in addition to your GPU AIO radiator. The cooler temps will improve performance and if you believe it, reduce the wear on your parts from heat. Obviously if you can't mount a 280mm just stick with your dual tower air cooler.
https://reddit.idevicehacked.com/r/buildapc/comments/1ldkw8f/9950x3d_very_hot_with_both_nhd15_and_phantom/
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>>106873922
Already booked a trip to Poland, I'll see after that I guess.
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>>106873839
The other guy on YT, forgot his name, tested it with a 16 core CPU and started by only enabling 2 cores.

6 core 12 threads is the baseline, unless they increase the players on a map, more gives you more frames but the lows are the same distance to the avg.
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>>106873971
How can you forget Daniel Owen's name?
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>>106873601
You can bump down to a RM1000 for your 4090 build, that's what I'm running with a 9800X3D and it only draws 750w in 3DMark. Personally, I would pick the top one because it's not a huge amount more money.
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>>106873922
That's a nice panel. I've been itching to go back to ultrawide though. I may have to wait and see what the new panel prices are like.
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Reposting from last bread in search of validation

I've got all the parts for my computer except the GPU. I don't really give a shit about AAAs, and I only made a new build so I could get a 7800x3d to run EU5 and other sims/systems games from my 9 year old dogshit bargain bin build. I also like to pump up the FPS to match my 1440p 180hz monitor in comp shooters.

Right now I'm leaning towards a cheapo 9060XT to go with that, considering GPU heavy games aren't really my thing. However, I am looking forward to true AAA slop paragon GTA6 that is several years out on PC presumably. Would it be worthwhile to eat the extra 300+ for a 9070XT hoping it would last me till then? Is my initial idea to just get by and save some some money by waiting for a new gen GPU that smokes the 9070 dumb? I am working on the unfounded assumption that next gen consoles are gonna have heftier GPUs and I'll regret going in on a higher end card now when the GPU heavy game I actually want to play comes out.
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>>106874191
buying a gpu that will only adequately handle games out right now (9060xt) when you already picture a use-case for an upcoming AAA game, is really fucking dumb.

If you're gonna milk a pc for nearly a decade, wtf are you doing nickle and diming yourself with mediorce tech? you wanna buy cheap tech? do it every 3-4 years to stay up to date. If you're not gonna touch your rig for the next decade, go buy something GOOD. Why poorfag gripe over something you'll use constantly? Do you spend your extensive time on the computer in a plastic outdoor chair too?
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is an NZXT C1200 Gold worth 120€? i see it being on a pretty huge sale and ive been thinking of upgrading from my 850w psu
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>>106874220
>Why poorfag gripe over something you'll use constantly
I don't though, that's the point of the post
>If you're gonna milk a pc for nearly a decade
No, I'm gonna milk a PC for an estimated 3 years, as stated above
Are you ESL or something?
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>>106874239
they have a solid reputation, and 1200watts is a good future-proof psu if you ever wanna paypig for a 90series or whatever frankenstein AMD may wanna trot out in future.
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>>106874239
Eh not particularly and PSUs are not really something you "upgrade" from if your current one is delivering plenty of power.
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>>106874269
>my 9 yo dogshit bargain bin build
i stopped reading there because your post is filled with useless blogposting. If thats what you milked once, you will probably wind up doing the same thing twice, don't care.
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>>106874270
it seems to be quite a highly rated unit so might go for it
>>106874271
i know i know, but my 6950 NEEDS more power. plus i get to give my oldie to someone that might actually need it
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>>106874303
>6950
i used to use a 6900xt before i fucked up the ram on it (entirely my own fault, not AMD's lol), an 850w is fine for it, even when OCing. Unless you got a bronze-tier or some shit.
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>>106874280
>ESL can't handle 2 half-paragraphs of reading
tragic. It's my first build since I was 17 because I haven't had disposable income or gaming time since then, I haven't even been using it for 90% of the time since I've built it.
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>>106874325
running it over 400w feels like pushing it a bit though for 850w
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God this motherboard I got was such a mistake.
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>>106874356
It's a power supply, either it supplies enough power when gaming under load or it doesn't. If it didn't, you'd see the entire system shutoff suddenly to some combination of OPP/OCP/OVP getting tripped.
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>Build a PC
>Everything just works
>No crashes or errors
I think I need to do more tweaking to fix that.
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>>106873706
It's caused by a memory leak in the Overkill setting, which doesn't happen @ High or Ultra.
Same old story of game dev issue.
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>>106874453
Devs are aware, and this affects cards with 16GB VRAM or more.
https://forums.ea.com/idea/battlefield-6-bug-reports-en/high-vram-usage-possible-memory-leak/12745368
https://x.com/BFBulletin/status/1977157949400527011

Leave it to HWUB viewers to make a VRAM FUD out of a game bug.
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>>106871886
The hell happened to RAM prices
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>>106874481
how would memory leak only affect cards above a certain vram?
>>106874527
ai stuff uses a lot of vram, ddr4 no longer in production
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>>106874537
>ai stuff uses a lot of ram*
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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hbjjdb
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