Are washing machines super-difficult to get right? Why the fuck does every fucking machine break in a couple of years? Samshit, LG, Whirlpool, GE, Maytag, all A SHIT.r*ddit tells me to never by a samshit, which I think is good advice. But what should I buy instead? My current LG has gone tits up again, the stupid control board keeps going on the fritz.
Because planned obsolescence. Why make a good machine that costs 20 cents more to build, when you can cheap out on the bearings and ensure the machine is no longer usable a day after the warranty period? I've got a Zanussi, probably won't make it past 7 years. That's just how these things are made now, because they have gotten very good at designing things that work just long enough to survive the warranty period.All electronics are like this. Your phone is now glued together, there are no real sources for replacement batteries, the concept of electronics repair has disappeared because "just buy a new one lol, they're so cheap!".
>>106872900bosch
>>106872900buy something from the 90s, all mechanical knobs, no electronic display, that some enterprising mexican can still fixlike some old Speed Queen from a laundromateverything's been dogshit since 2000
had no problems with my direct drive LG
>>106872900I love LGs. An LG can do more than just wash clothes if you treat her right.
>>106873224I like to think of my LG as a small Korean maiden offering her floral womb to your clothing
>>106872900The only answer is Miele. It costs twice as much but they also offer 5 year warranty and option to extend to 10 years.
>>106872900Honestly, why can't one make an open source GNU/washing machine? What's so difficult about reverse-engineering the processes within?> Agitate the drum using a 4/4 or at least a 2/4 PWM drive. A large-ish drone motor/drone PWM is enough> Hot and cold water inlet with temperature and flow detection. Thermistor, ball valve, flow sensor.> PID controlled heating element> ESP32> 48V DC in, and a 2 kW AC->DC power supply of your choice.And now with a dryer please> Either repeat all of it, or add a second PTC heating element for the air.> Your choice of water or air cooled condenser.> Humidity sensor to detect when clothes are dry.So we only need to install gentoo on it, and create an open source washing machine software.
>>106873286Modern washing machines use a custom built flat brushless motor that directly turns the drum, driven by a simple VFD
Whatever you do, don't buy this pile of shit from Amana. I never thought I could hate a washing machine as much as this cursed thing.
>>106872985This. They're designing things to break and be unfixable. It's not even to save money. Eg. they weld together the two halves of the drum.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=138S0rSbZ10
>>106872900>Why the fuck does every fucking machine break in a couple of years? most die sooner.and that's by design. welcome to 21st century newfriend. it'll only get worse going forward.
>>106873308But for the same reason you can't get a custom built pancake motor for the GNU/washing machine. (Nor a drum - it would need sheet metal manufacturing skills, or pulling apart an existing machine to assemble so lol no.)And a VFD is a fancy name of a PWM drive + inverter. Probably in AC-AC it's dime a dozen, but with modern drone and ebike tech, running a DC bus to everything but the heating elements (and evben there) is far more worth it than running AC up and down.
Used Miele from the 1980 or 90sYou don't need more
>>106872900I have AEG washer and a dryer, i think its 20 years old at this point, will use til they both explode.we euro-cucks get the best tech.
>>106872900Speed Queen. That's the one remaining decent, reliable brand, but it's not cheap.
>>106872900Have a look where they are made regardless of brand. Make sure it is not built in China.
>>106873339Don't buy top loaders. Side loaders are much better.
>>106873286the difficult part is not designing itself, is designing to be manufacturer at scale, maintenance friendly and cheappeople dont really care about how easy is to repair maintain when shit is bought so the cheaper yet more prone to fuck itself get boughtthat is why we need reparability index and shit
My Electrolux washer from about 2010 is still going strong.
>>106872900Dunno how you guys are treating to your appliances but we've been getting 10-15 years out of GE/Maytag fridges/washing machines and I think our GE dryer is 22 years old. Now that sears is gone I'm afraid of Maytag going to shit, assuming they're still manufactured.When I drive near appliance repair stores there are always dozens of Samsung/LG washers/dryers lined up outside for sale, that to me it means they're crap.
>>106873674Samsung appliances have tons of part failures. Boards, pumps, compressors, seems all the major individual components in them die pretty quick.Whirlpool still has a good track record if you're looking to buy new.
>>106872900See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz21ZF9eQOkTldw: price. Every manufacturer has to compete purely on price because consumers refuse to pay for better quality.
>>106873286You can make an open source design and certification for washing machines that companies can follow (Maybe require some level of quality certification for it to use "this is a blah blah grade washing machine) but no way people would build it for themselves even if you made a kit. Never fuck around with water or it can fuck you.
>>106872985> that costs 20 cents more to buildNo it doesn’t. Planned obsolescence is more like an outcome of costs and tolerance limits, and making a machine with stricter tolerances so that it lasts 10x longer is going to cost 10x more. No customer is going to want to spend that much.
>>106872900You can just clean your room without a washing mashine :)
>>106872900>Are washing machines super-difficult to get right? Why the fuck does every fucking machine break in a couple of years?It's by design. All appliances are supposed to break shortly after the warranty period ends. Sounds like washing machines are easy to design if all manufacturers can get them to break reliably after a few years.
>>106873415Had one of these for 35 years. Fucker won't quit.
>>106873854You are a literal retard.
>>106874026he is right, planed obsolescence is a nonsense in mechanical design, you cannot really aim for a given duration of a designwear and fatigue are probabilistic in nature, and the distribution is not prone to that kind of crap. you will have tons of returns on the guarantee period if actually planed obsolescence happenedof course i am not denying if it were feasible the mbas and consultors that plagues the managing jobs would ask for it, but thankfully is not
>>106872900Miele
>>106874046Legitimately, are you fucking stupid? All mechanical parts have a rated load and an expected failure point.You give a 3 year warranty. You design the parts to fail with a median lifespan of 5 years. The worst ones fail in 3, the best ones last till 7.It's all about saving costs and the minimum viable product. You have decades of returns to look at to figure out what commonly fails, and what you can cheap out on next time because it's too strong and thus too expensive to outlive the rest. The goal is a perfect washing machine where every single part fails at the 5 year mark, and so there is no point even replacing the drum bearings or control board, because every other part will be on the verge of failure a week later.It's absolutely feasible to make a connecting rod thinner and thinner with every new product line until you start getting too many refunds. This is why when you take apart any old appliance vs its newer replacement, the old one will have stronger components everywhere, because they didn't know how much they could shave off before it started drastically affecting durability yet.
>>106874046I can accept that parts wear out, but repair guys always say it's cheaper to buy a new machine than replace any parts. Some brands make parts available buy charge $200 for a $20 part to push someone to a new $500 machine.
>>106872900>Front loaders.Youre not a manlet are you OP?This is why your equipment is shit. Youbpay for convenience not reliability
>>106874117you dont understand that the distribution is of the wear failures is not gaussian, see picrel of course they have been cheapening out, that is cost/resource optimization bc cheap stuff sells better, not planned obsolescence retard.>>106874127that is why more expensive, i try to buy myself maintenable stuff, but they are always more expensivbe, sometimes several times moreand i get why they are that expensive as a mech engineer, those designs are more expensive to do in general.
