>be soundcard manufacturer>add joystick port for no reason
>>106878220Soundcards were originally meant for gaymers. It's nothing you need on an office DOS machine. So they added what else gaymers might like: A joystick port.
Fast forward to today>be motherboard manufacturer>add wifi for no reason
>>106878220it was a dual purpose midi/game port, a no brainer.more odd was that the early sound cards usually had one or more IDE/CD-ROM headers on them.
>>106878405It was for audio bypass, made sense not to waste CPU/DAC resources when the drive could decode itself
>>106878427i don't mean the bypass, but an actual IDE/etc controller for each proprietary cdrom header
>>106878400>add wifi for (((no reason)))
>>106878400I was pretty happy my motherboard had wifi when the lighting struck a tree in our yard and destroyed most of the equipment on the network.
>>106878427It made sense indeed but no software afaik was making use of that passthrough. Also way more logical would have been a digital audio passthrough since the cd drive DAC often wasn’t great >>106878485Weird indeed. The only explanation for that would be that people had issues with too little ISA slots on mobos back then and that a bunch of cd drives were not compatible with random IDE controllers
>>106878427holy shit I remember. tried to play audio CDs and got no sound because forgot to plug it in. there was something about those days man...
>>106878220>>106878400>Be macbook manufacturer>Remove all ports for no reason
>>106878515ding ding ding!someone noticed
>>106878644just take it out
>>106878647paid shill alert.was it worth it?
>>106878629iTodds need to be constantly btfo, that's the reason
>>106878656nani? just take out the fucking wifi adapter, it's an M2 card isn't it?
The 'joystick port' was in fact a MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface) port. Its subsequent use for game controllers arose incidentally and was not the original purpose. It actually found use for a bunch of stuff beyond that, you could get stuff like drawing tablets and mice that would interface via MIDI as well.The IDE ports on sound cards arose because early CD Drives used proprietary communications. Eventually this was unified under ATAPI (AT Attachment Packet Interface) and at that point you could connect your drives to the same IDE interface as your hard drives, but prior to that you could not. They did however use the same 40-pin cable headers in most instances, it just wouldn't work if you tried to plug it into an IDE port.Also back then, CD Drives in computers had a far greater focus on the high-fidelity music capability than there was on using it as a data storage medium. That came along a bit later, and once CD drives shifted to the IDE interface, there was still provisions made for music - Most drives allowed you to plug in a smaller separate two-pin audio cable that would go direct to your sound card, bypassing the need to send digital audio signals as packet data through the main system. Better performance, and perhaps better sound quality, for limited resources at the time.
>>106878220>be motherboard manufacturer circa 2022>add RS-232 header on it for some reason
>>106878400>Be a PC component maker>Add RGB onto everything for no reason
>>106878679you can control fireworks with midi
>Be a modern PC>Have worse latency than hardware from 15 years ago
>>106878677soldered, and I dont trust the biosthe antenna comes out, but the internal antennas are enough to (((spy)))even your mouse is spying
>>106878400i specifically bought mobo with wifi and bluetooth but instead of small antennas in the back i now have this ugly ass nod obelisk on my desk.
>>106878696>>add RS-232 header on it for some reasonIt's basically freeIt should also be noted that a lot of Anus MB designs are just slightly modified from a base design.There is a generic OEM/business/industrial Asus board that likely did need serial for a legit purpose and the TuF is just slightly modified from that for gaymer tastes
>Be Open Source Android >Remove apk sideloading for no reason
>>106878757you can short it with a 50ohm resistor.https://www.ebay.com/itm/201469559243
>Be a windows desktop operating system>Become a phone OS with an unintuitive touch interface for no reason
>>106878779>shortwell... "short". it's 50ohms so it's not a short but you get the point
>>106878779>>106878816just desolder the fucking wifi chip, or cut a critical tracebut (((they))) still track you will a thousand other eyes, still best to stab the biggest eye
>>106878835I'd just short it so has some resell value. use that terminating connector and scan for networks see if you see anything. get your router right next to it.
>>106878779if anyone is considering this, just don't get any SMA one. make sure it's RP-SMA. wifi is trannie that way>RP-SMA (Reverse-Polarity SMA) connectors are a variation of the standard SMA connectors where the pin and sleeve are swapped. This means that the RP-SMA male has a center sleeve with inside threads, while the RP-SMA female has a center pin with outside threads, allowing for compatibility with specific applications.
>be the tech industry in 2025>put AI into everything for no reason
>>106878696RS-232 is still used on CNC machines.
>>106878400As was stated, early CD-rom drives often used proprietary ports / cables. The earliest to use a standard were SCSI.Even if your CD-rom drive was IDE, system boards usually only had one IDE port and if you used the same port & cable for your hard drive, it would slow your HD access down significantly.Later when 2 IDE channels on your MB became the norm they started taking them off the sound cards.
>>106878696I still use my RS-232 header.I attach a VT over serial and set sysvinit to start getty on /dev/ttyS0 at boot. It saves my ass when the GPU drivers lock up like a motherfucker and I need to recover dmesg and save shit before rebooting to clear the KMS fuckup.
>>106878921The reason is to relieve the consoomer of the need to think for xerself.
>>106878220>add joystick port for no reasonWeren't old joysticks basically just potentiometers hooked up directly to the port pretty much? The computer needed to do analog to digital conversion in order to read the position of the joystick and the sound card was the thing which could already have an ADC on board already, for audio input. It made sense for them to add a joystick port too, especially since early sound cards were often used for games anyway.
>>106878955thinking of running cable to my headless rpi serial. but might need some adapter? rpi serial is not rs-232 I think. but my dmm has rs-232 so I could probably use it for that as well
>>106878400Those are great for media PC's.
>>106878696I actually use that shit. it works without (((USB))) to program little chips and enterprise network equipment and you can redirect your console to it and other fun stuff
>>106878696It's already on the board as part of the Super I/O chip. Personally, I think it's a good thing that they broke it out to a pin header so you can actually use it if you want, rather than trying to shave a couple of cents off the BOM.
>>106878930goes to show that heavy steel milling equipment with CNC capability was a great investment back in the day. the bones are still strong, but the modern software, linear drive and backlash correct tech, high speed spindles, and ultimate accuracy and now fucking tits. retrofitting and modding old shit in CNC is kino, you can stay in the game with literal 50s era tools, if you are keen on keeping retro tools modernized and there is no reason not to
>>106878955just a nitpick but are you sure it's 232 and not simply uart? former is 15V
>>106878220>be video card manufacturer>add usb-c port for no reason
>>106879064nta just searched online and you need a level converter chip like a MAX232. some come with DB9 connector
>>106879105and I'd still optically isolate it
>>106879002Your Raspberry Pi will have TTL serial, so the same protocol, but 0V/3.3V instead of -15V/15V. If you just want to connect it to another computer, you can get a USB TTL serial adapter (I'd recommend something using the CH343 chip), or if you want to connect it to an actual RS-232 device, you can get a TTL/RS232 converter module like pic related.
RS-232 is still the primary protocol used to control projectors and TVsI bet your new ass OLED TV has one.
>>106879064it's rs232 on consumer facing equipment, you would usually only find ttl uarts on weird PC boards for embedded stuff like for robotics/automationalso rs232 ports sometimes output lower voltages (e.g. 5v or 12v) than that even if they tolerate higher ones, because of lazy designers. not all ports actually push 15v
>>106878761Asus, huh?
>>106879117yeah that looks more proper has CTS/RTS even if not needed for RPI. are there options with galvanic isolation?
>>106879064It's definitely a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16550_UART of some kind.I'll probe it with a multimeter later and confirm the line voltages for shits.
Back then, it was considered part of the "Multimedia Package"SVGA (SuperVGA 800x600)CDROMSoundCardJoystick Port
>>106879400So computers had like 2 tiers. The first tier was the normal Keyboard, Text monitor, perhaps even some basic graphics but thats it. No sound output, let alone, no microphone. No CDROM, just disquettes. Not even a modem/Ethernet card.It was basically just computers with keyboard, sometimes a mouse, disquette drives, hard disk, monitors, and thats it. And of course, printers sometimes. That was it.So when people wanted their computer to be "Multimedia ready" they had to put in new Graphics cardshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_VGAAnd also CDROM Drive, SoundCard, and that's why some manufacturers did a single card that managed both sound and CDROM.I even renember some 14.4 kbps modems having also a sound card included. So it was quite common to see multiple "solutions" in a single board, so it would make the offer more attractive to customers improving their PC's
>>106878696Unironically based.Anyone doing anything technical that's even remotely serious on their computer, even for hobbies, will need a serial port and USB adaptors, while good for 90% of the cases, have some "minor" limitations. Having something that works at BIOS level and has full standard compilant hardware support is great and hassle free.
>>106878696Asus has a line of boards for instrumentation use, all green, they go under the professional family or something, they come with a PCI slot if you really need to have some old card in there, and two serial ports on the more expensive models. I'd rather have something like Asrock Taichi or just an Asrock board in general because they have PCIE slots with open ends which allow you to fit larger cards than 1x in a 1x slot, or full length 8x/16x slots which will take any card, but with more bus width. PCIE risers to go from 1x to something higher are expensive, $10+ each, have almost nothing in the way of supporting weight, but having many open end slots is better than having legacy ports on the rear panel, the cards are relatively cheap and if you want big boy stuff like RAMdrives then you'll fit many of them on those boards because they have a layout which keeps gpus from blocking other slots, 1-2 NVME slots under the gpu instead of a blocked 1x/8x slot.
>>106878955Are you at least getting paid to debug linux gpu drivers? I hope you are not doing it for free.
>>106878427'Member when cd drives had suxiliary jacks on them?
>>106878921it's a more plausible reason than "telemetry" or "code formatting" for jeetsoft to grab, sorry, i mean to "train on" all your code.but if you are a jeetsoft consoomer, you deserve it anyway.
>>106880443I member listening to American Idiot by hooking my headphones into the jack and pressing play on the drive. Good times was had by all.
Will card slots ever go away ? At least for enthusiasts. 99.99% of people just plug peripherals into the mobo connections, there's basically no PCIe card that are needed anymore except for GPUs. And GPUs aren't even needed for most people, and if they are, surely they could be routed to an existing output on the case or even routed internally through the mobo for output.
>>106880566Probably not, hopefullyThe whole bit of "everything being on the motherboard" has been the case for an extremely long time.What board from 20 years ago didn't have audio, didn't have networking. etc?The whole idea of people wanting slots to go away, is not based on anything rational for the consumer. Only motherboard vendors benefit from taking slots away and that's the only reason they would go away.
>>106878696>>106878930and in IoT garbage, though software flow control and 3.3v logic levels
>>106878677You will never be japanese
It was because you had a limited number of PCI slots in the average PC, and you needed a lot of PCI cards pre-ATX.PS/2 port, hard drive controller, modem, sound card, game controller, serial port, parallel port, floppy drive controller, video card. Inevitably ports would get combined, combining sound and game port was very common for reasons already explained.
>>106878679Nah it was originally a game port expansion in a separate card, and MIDI was rettofitted into the port once it was incorporated into sound cards
The sound card is your analog-digital interface and the game port reads analog joystick signals.
>>106880566They're called expansion slots for a reason. Networking, storage, audio, interfacing with other equipment, ports for whatever.
>>106880566You cannot plausibly route 4x extremely high bandwidth monitor outputs through the PCIe slot, there's not enough bandwidth and those are by far the fastest ports on a modern PC. It would be extremely retarded to attempt constantly copying that much data from VRAM through the PCIe slot. In order to route them to the mobo you would need a special slot with dedicated pins for the video outputs and shitloads of physical space on the mobo to route all the extra traces to some outputs on the back (and this would already result in signal degradation, assuming you don't have some active redrivers on the mobo too).This means a more expensive and more complicated mobo, with a custom, non-standard slot that takes custom, non-standard graphics cards, all for the incredibly autistic and entirely impractical "benefit" of moving the video outputs a few cm away from the GPU's backplate to the mobo's backplate instead. It would frankly be extremely retarded. There is no actual benefit to doing this.
>>106882587Graphics cards were also DACs
>>106882928Gameport uses ADCs, not DACs
>>106878400the wifi doubles as bluetooth.
>>106878220some old school keyboards required these COM ports like the Miracle piano teaching system
>>106884298A lot of shit needed COM ports but this ain't a COM port.
>>106878761>instead of small antennas in the back i now have this ugly ass nod obelisk on my desk.You should've bought the one with the Tesla Coil instead.
>>106878761does it work any better than your average 1$ chink usb bluetooth or wifi?
>>106878405>>106878485>>106878538>more odd was that the early sound cards usually had one or more IDE/CD-ROM headers on them.That wasn't odd, back in the 80s CD-ROM drives all used their own specific interfaces, they only standardized to using IDE some time in the early 90s. So you had a Sony, Panasonic, Mitsumi, all using their own different proprietary interface.Putting those ports on soundcards saved you a lot of space as you had very limited amount of ISA slots available. It's part of what made the Sound Blaster very popular, since it had input/output, OPL2/3, digital sound, gameport, and CD ports all on one card.>Also way more logical would have been a digital audio passthrough since the cd drive DAC often wasn’t great CD drives had this 4-pin thin cable for CD Audio output you had to connect to the soundcard. It was analog, but there was also a 2-pin digital one. They all also had headphone outputs on the front, with a volume slider (some drives even added start/stop control buttons).
>>106884386Yeah you're right, I was going off memory. looked it up and the Miracle used a DB9F and DB25M.
>>106879096you can plug monitors through usb-c nowadays, granpa
>>106884868>be monitor manufacturer>add USB-C for no reason
>>106878527This
>>106885379>Be monitor manufacturer >Bake in smart TV functionality for no reason
>>106878220You WILL enjoy extra features.
>>106885379>>106885458>be monitor manufacturer >use whatever current standard chipset is plenty and cheap
>>106885481YepThe ASIC that would handle inputs and video decoding now has all the smart functionality etched right into it.It's why there are no more dumb TVs because you have to go out if your way to acquire those dumb ASICsFor lots of monitors, it might get cheaper at some point to just engineer them like a TV with the same guts because of scale.
>>106878515>even wifi is DUH JOOOOOOOOZZZZZ nowit's so tiresome
>>106879096Some gpus with the USB C port let you use PSVR2 headset without buying the PC adapter. My old 2080 card natively supported it but my new 5080 I had to buy the PSVR PC kit for like $60.
>>106878485these are the things they took from us
>>106885379My secondary screen is using a single USB-C for video power and touch.Nice to only have one cable to it
>>106884429Doubles as buttplug
>>106880443yep
>>106878629>Remove all ports for no reason
>>106878761>106884465You can replace the antenna with 2 regular antennas that just screw into the same connectors on the back. Also the ugly antenna is probably magnetic, so you can stick it on the PC case somewhere rather than giving it a special place on your desk.>>106884465USB WiFi / BT adapters are horrendously garbage, so yes a dedicated internal card is far superior.
>>106878220wasnt that port used for some MIDI electronic piano or some shit? and that you could connect joystick was just nice sideeffect
>>106878696This gamer branding is always so cringe. Like "vengeance" memory. What the fuck, "vengeance" random access memory. If I were a gamer I would feel insulted by this stupid shit.
>>106886785Nta, but bluetooth controllers would miss inputs when I had it stuck to the side of my PC, this got fixed when I put it on top. Luckily, soon after I got a new desk and the legs are made of square steel tube, so now it's stuck on the side
>be zoomzoom>complain about more features
>>106878220Sound cards were almost exclusively used for PC games. So if you were buying one, you almost certainly would use that joystick port.
>>106878220Makes sense on many levels>Anyone who wants a sound card wants it for games or music production>Videogame controllers are a bunch of buttons and maybe knobs or analog sticks (which themselves are two knobs)>Music keyboards are a bunch of buttons and maybe knobs or analog sticks (Which themselves are two knobs>Add port that can connect to either
>>106878761I also don't like the look of my (Asus) antenna.But I think antennas directly on the mobo's IO wouldn't get a good signal with the case blocking it.Case manufacturers should integrate (hidden) antennas in the front panel.
>>106886393of all things that could be da jooz, mandatory wifi makes the absolute most senseis there something wrong, rabbi?
>>106878400>be a case manufacturer>adds tempered glass for no reason
>>106885553>>106878405>>106887347>>106887380Then call it game card
>>106887527>mandatory wifi makes the absolute most senseExcept it's not mandatory, it's just after a certain price point it doesn't make sense to not include WIFIWIFI cards are $15 retail, probably $10 in bulk
>be graphics card manufacturer>add a tv for no reason
>>106887867Music producers also used them, and it also wasn't everything you needed to game (Although such a card technically existed)
>>106887935It annoys me that since PCIe isn't really a bus that you can't have multi-use monstrosities of a card anymore.Forever oppressed by switch chips instead
>be ebussy>remove everything for no usecase
>>106878220Turtle Beach Montego DDL was the best soundcard you could buy at the price. That thing is an absolute gem.
>be gpu manufacturer>dont add a display input even though it would be insanely useful
>be pc manufacturer>add a monitor for no reason
>>106887984Can't you?I had a USB 3.0 + SATA controller card in my last build.I think it was only 1X but might have been 4X.Can't you hook up 16 different things to a 16X card?Or just connect loads of things to a USB controller.
>>106888045My guess is that it's about cost, no GPU manufacturer makes capture cards, and the ones by name-brands are 100-200, so if we assume a 50% profit margin, that's 50-100 extra bucks per GPU
>>106888123Not like ISA could.ISA was much more flexible in that the bus itself wasn't defined by anything physically, you add devices to the bus and their resources could be defined after the fact with the IRQ and DMA channels no matter how they are placed physicallyPCIe is more like a network. There is a "bus" internally where devices can have their grievances addressed and read and write to memory but how they connect is like a network.Much like a network switch, only one device can be added to each port and the ports are defined at the design stage of the motherboard as the physical slots with varying lane counts. It's slightly more flexible than this as you know a single x16 slot with one port can be changed to 2 ports with 8x lanes each but the jist of what I'm getting at is PCIe requires additional hardware should you want to connect multiple devices to one port. It requires a PCIe switch chip so multiple devices can be attached to one port.For some devices this can be internal, but for devices not specifically meant to be combo devices you need the physical chip which can be expensive depending on the capabilities.Pic related for example has 4 discrete USB controllers which would take 1 PCIe port each, but the big PLX chip allows them to use a single port/slot
>>106878220Soundblaster Live!? More like Soundblaster DeadCreative btfo
>>106888046>build a desktop >add rgb lights to all the doodads even though you never look at them
>>106878405How was it odd? It's how the CD ROM drive's audio can pass through the computer's audio system. Otherwise you'd have to hope the drive had a headphone port on it, or use onboard audio when it was even worse than it is now
>>106885379Exactly what I have. Usb C goes to my pc
>>106878220>be a massive and serious computer megacorporation>add A FUCKING DUCK to your BIOS for no reason
>>106887919That was an RF tuner, it allowed you to watch tv channels on your machine. It was pretty neat for the time.
>>106888978>be a massive and serious computer megacorporation>add A FUCKING DUCK to your BIOS for no reasonAmazon.com has a duck in their HTML code. Not kidding, look it up, it's at the bottom.<!-- _ .__(.)< (MEOW) \___) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-->
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>>106889208When I was a student that was the only TV I had.My apartment was very small and flat screens weren't invented yet so to save space I made my monitor double as a TV.It worked perfectly fine.
>>106888506If it were like a network you could just stick extra switches into ports and have as many ports as you like.But I get what you mean.
>>106889229that's clearly a cat
>>106887544>>adds tempered glass for no reason
>>106887060>If I were a gamerhow do you know you won't go like "oh fuck yeah" when you see "Vengeance" on your RAM, if you were to become a gamer?
>>106880475>listening to City of Evil through the CDROM drive while IDDQD-playing ridiculous megawadsThose were the days.
>>106889297The switches are what I'm talking aboutThey are not cheap unfortunatelyYou could have an unlimited amount of PCIe deices on a card but you'll be paying out the ass for it.
>>106888046Imagine gutting this bad boy and making a sick tite gayman PC with itbassssssssssssssssssed
>>106889229whats up with the base64 at the bottom of the page
>>106887867Its not the only card you need for games, and you can play games without it, they just sound like shit when you do.
>>106887527>wireless internet is le jews because uhhhhMoot's biggest mistake was not deleting /pol/ and KEEPING it deleted. No portion of the universe would suffer for a lack of you pathetic schizophrenics shitting everything up.
>>106878930UART, so basically RS-232, is still extremely common in the embedded world too because it is so simple.
>>106890414>UART, so basically RS-232kys. rs-232 is an electrical standard
>>106890434RS-232 is a serial communication standard, so basically UART.
>>106878220>be smartphone manufacturer>make all the phones unrepairable for no reason
>>106890444> It specifies the electrical characteristics, timing, and physical connections used for point-to-point communication, commonly through a 9-pin connector.it's an electric standard>UART stands for Universal Asynchronous Receiver-Transmitter, which is a hardware communication protocol used for serial data transmission between devices. It typically uses two wires for communication, allowing data to be sent and received asynchronously without a shared clock signal.when thinking about SBCs you're thinking of TTL UART, not fucking rs232 electrical standard. LVTTL is 3.3V and TTL is 5V
>>106890370Living rent free in your head, moshe
>>106890488You're missisng my point completely. UART can be done with RS-232 signal levels, in the context of this thread where we were discussing an RS-232 header on a motherboard I said that UART is basically RS-232 because it fulfills the same purpose in the embedded world, at CMOS/TTL logic levels as RS-232 did for old terminals or whatever.
>be motherboard manufacturer>have only AT port in the back
>>106890516>Typically, the logic ‘1’ in RS232 will be -12V and logic ‘0’ will be +12Vbrainlets like you burn their "embedded" gear by directly connecting "muh UART"they're not even in the same ballpark, as RS-232 works with both negative and positive voltages
>>106890547My $dayjob is dealing with embedded electronics. In everyday parlance, we use UART to mean TTL/CMOS level serial communication. Usually used to provide a debug terminal. Likewise, when we say RS-232, we really mean serial communication, or UART really, with the RS-232 signalling specification. I guess it is my fault for being fast and loose with terminology on a forum by autists for autists.
>>106878220it doubled as a MIDI adapter
>>106878220>shitpost: baiting zoomer edition
>be soundcard manufacturer>add lego adapter
>>106878400Every single other device on the market has wifi these days and you think desktop PCs shouldn't?
>>106890800My fingers are crossed for Cirrus Logic VGA or Rockwall modem ISA cards next. Shut up and take my $500 USD.
>>106890935nta, but wifi on desktop is indeed retarded, it's a semi-permanent install, there's zero reason to not have a wired connection
>>106890370
>>106891261>when some other poster brings up politicsIt's the /pol/ poster bringing it up first almost every time, including now.
>>106878220I have a few of these older soundcards in working condition. Are they worth anything? I think some of them have a Yamaha chip for FM synth.
>>106891213The problem is to many zoomers and millennials are living in rented pods/houses where they reasonably can't wire anything and their bi polar GF will complain about a visible wire should they want to route it along the baseboardSome really dont care and just use Wi-Fi because literally everything else does.
>>106891292WiFi being used to sonar scan people in a room is not a conspiracy
>>106891318Depends, the chips might be worth something for modern remakes of the card.Also just sell it, lotsa retro hobbyist want pretty much any working hardware.I would love to get my hands on an apple lisa, locally of course.
>>106891327When was I saying anything about a conspiracy or disagreeing with how wifi is used to spy on people? Go find someone else to rope into your argument. I was specifically addressing that picture's retarded premise not (you).
>>106891261>October 2016What strange timing
>>106878761as opposed to those temple of nod routers
>>106879478I literally had these when I was a kid.Eagle Eye Mysteries was the bomb.as well as Scooter's Magic Castle.
>>106891327>>106891261>/pol/schizo puts the reddit parentheses around wifi calling it jewish>unprompted>you come in playing defenseNo, anon mentioning wifi is not "bringing it up first". Nobody was talking about "sonar scanning". Some dogshit election tourist that's probably (You) bumbled in out of nowhere talking nonsense unprompted like you fucking shitheels always do.
>>106890518Real niggas don't need no mouse
>>106878527>lighting struck a tree in our yard and destroyed most of the equipment on the networkis this actually common? I've been prepping for the past 2 weeks and today am about to tear all my shit down and slap it all behind a networked UPS but for reasons other than lightning breaking all my shit
>>106887527>Uses Ethernet with Wi-Fi disabled
>>106878679>the joystick port is actually a MIDI port, that’s why a sound card has oneOne of the mysteries of my childhood solved, thanks
>>106894285Only it is false, it was first a game port then MIDI was rettofitted into it
>>106885379Being able to charge and get an extra display/mirror for my MacBook Pro or iPad or iPhone is great
>>106891213Running cable isn't viable for a lot of people, either due to renting or how the house is constructed.I see absolutely no reason why motherboards shouldn't offer wifi as an option.
>>106894305Oh interesting. That must have been prior to my first experience with it (mid 90s) at which point they were all doing MIDI as well.I've done a bit more digging - It looks like the reason early sound cards incorporate the 'game port' was because the sound card had Analog-Digital converters onboard, which made it ideal for interfacing with analog controllers (i.e. joysticks). The PC's serial port wasn't suitable for that task.You live you learn, thanks for the lesson!
>>106887867we'd already used that namea "game card" had 2 joysticks but no sound or midian mpu-ipc had midi but no sound or joystick (and then you had to connect a midi instrument to actually make the sounds)an adlib had sound but no midi or joystick
>>106894590you don't have to put the cable in the walls. just hide it under a carpet or something. it's not that difficult.
>>106895552>a "game card" had 2 joysticks but no sound or midi>an mpu-ipc had midi but no sound or joystick (and then you had to connect a midi instrument to actually make the sounds)>an adlib had sound but no midi or joystickAnd THAT is why the SB cards got popular, it could do all of those plus digital sound recording/playback all on one card. Then later also added extra CD interfaces. It was a really, really powerful all in one card.I still have a couple of stuff that uses 15-pin gameports (bought extras in case they broke), hell I didn't upgrade to Vista until I got the xbox 360 controller precisely because Vista removed gameport support. Back in the 90s and even 00s, getting a good PC controller was almost impossible, the 360 controller with native compatibility was unbelievably good for the time. I went from getting a new controller every year to getting a new one every 8 years (and maybe getting occasional spare parts every 2 years).
>>106879131MSI
>>106878930>RS-232why cant any chinese dev invent a CNC running on usb or have a 232 to usb adapter
>>106896281Because RS-232 is simpler and a lot less can get wrongAnd you usually don't need anything faster since the CNC needs time to execute each command.Industrial engineers favor simple and robust technologies. RS-485 which is a bit more fancy than RS-232 electrically, but still much less complex than modern USB, is still heavily used everywhere in the industry.
>>106896366>>106896281Actual modern CNCs just use standard PCs inside of them and you can use USB, ethernet or even wifi.Using serial in 2025 is not based on anything rational. It's the simplest way to communicate with most MCUs but to be faced with a bonafide DB port as the main interface just reeks of someone who can't be assed to do better.
>>106896775>but to be faced with a bonafide DB port as opposed to what?It's standard, backwards compatible with a ton of old hardware that might still be in use, and sturdy.
>>106896789You could atleast upgrade to 2005 with a Type-B USB with an FTDI chip behind it.There is just a billion ways to interface with serial and tradition isn't an excuse.If you want to be real the most robust connector is one you don't make at all. 3D printers figured this out instead of using SD cards like caveman
>>106896861That's instantly a much more fragile connector.
>subwoofer has its own channelstill rubs me the wrong wayjust like the people who used to swear that a plain old stereo stream with a subwoofer is fake and gay because the sub needs its own stream
>>106888978that looks more like a baby stork or something
>>106886774i love how these truth nukies never get any repliestech cuckstomers are beyond help
>>106895629I don't understand why optional wifi is such a problem for you.Last summer, the AC in my study broke, during a 40C+ heatwave. I temporarily moved my PC to another room, and connected via wifi instead of ethernet. Extremely handy.
>>106891322>their bi polar GF will complain about a visible wirethis isnt even a meme ive had this happenwhy do women hate wires?
>>106897149It's just autism. Luv me Cat5e, 'ate wifi, simple as.
>>106897149>I temporarily moved my PC to another room, and connected via wifi instead of ethernet. Extremely handy.sounds like the issue is the other room not having Ethernet installed.
>>106897002bass is mixed mono on both channels so it can be tapped from either one.
>>106898554either one doesn't sound like desired operation, you most likely want a mixdown from both
>>106899554you might be fooled by amplitude, when mixing both you get an amplitude boost and sounds louder and tricks you it's "better". bass is mixed mono by studios, that's a general rule. it's non-directional so it can cancel out in certain venues depending on speaker placement. thus it's mixed mono. just up the gain on it
>>106896943the market for RS-232 is increasingly fragileswitching to a connector that actually gets sold to normal people is the way to go if you don't want to suddenly be without a working machine on your way to getting gougedbesides, if your cable is getting damaged in the first place, you have worse problemsI would go for ethernet.
>>106900835watIt's a super standard connector, not even limited to RS-232every electronics store in the world will sell you a DB9 connector
>>106894590except it's not an option. on board wifi is mandatory. i am not one of these pod cucks that actually listen to the pinings of wahmen, yet there are no ethernet-only boards in the current market. as anon pointed out there must be some other (((reason))).
>>106901306Your non wifi motherboard
>>106901412Asrock burns AM5 cpus though.
>>106901281do you have RS-232 in your desktop or laptop right now?
>>106878527>>106894233It's unlikely the network was related to the failures.
>>106901306>on board wifi is mandatoryis it soldered chip or removable?
>>106884483This. Not only did you have limited slots, but limited IRQ's and DMA's you could assign for their use. IRQ's alone were tight. You had 16. 0 was reserved for the system timer, 1 was reserved for your keyboard, 2 for part of the chipset and needed for IRQ's 9-15, 3 would either be your sound card or your 2nd Serial Port(COM2), 4 would be the first Serial Port(COM1), 5 is Parallel Port 2(LPT2) or your sound card, 6 was your floppy disk controller, 7 was for Parallel Port 1(LPT1), 8 was for your RTC chip, 9 was the other half of 2 and reserved, 10 and 11 were free to use, 12 was for your P/S2 Mouse if you had one, 13 was reserved for your FPU, 14 was reserved for the primary IDE bus, and 15 for the secondary IDE bus.So the only IRQ's you really had to use for add-on cards were 3, 5, 10, and 11, with 4 and 7 also being available if you never plan on using serial or parallel ports. Soundblaster, MPU-401, (S)VGA card, network/modem card, that's 4 out of 6 already spoken for. Want room for alternate audio like Gravis Ultrasound or Disney Sound Source? There goes another. SCSI controller, MPEG decoder card, keep a port for a null modem cable, choose wisely for that last IRQ.Then along came PCI and then no one feared having 2-3 soundcards, a SVGA card, and two 3D accelerator cards along with whatever else they wanted.
finally a /g/ worthy thread after quite a time
>>106901306Just don't use it then?
>>106878220i have a soundcard, it's neat, i like it
>>106899719>you might be fooled by amplitudeno, i'm saying the frequency below which the studio decides to mix in mono may not match the speaker/subwoofer crossover frequency. so you may end up in a situation where a frequency was high enough to not be considered "bass" by the studio and was entirely on the right channel, but was also low enough to be below your system's crossover frequency. since it was fed only from the left channel it wouldn't have been picked up at all. i'm not sure how much of a problem this is in practice, maybe on particularly small speakers with a dedicated sub.
>>106878220Ask me how I know you're a zoomer retard.
