How is that legal?
because 4chan is accessible in the UK. honestly moot knew the risks.
>>106888588>mootdesu i used to hate him for selling 4chan but i see why he did it now
>>106888582Because they made it legal.
>>106888582so 4chan can just refuse to pay? what are the bongs gonna do besides seethe about it?
>>106888588I thought Hiroshima's legal argument is basically "we have no business presence in the UK, therefore we don't have to care about anything you think, you don't have any jurisdiction over us" the Bongs can't really do anything but order Bong ISPs to block the site. Then Bong anons learn about how to set up encrypted DNS and life goes on
>>106888639>what are the bongs gonna doshitlist 4chan, meaning it will become inaccessible by DNS blocking. which works as well as you might think.
>>106888639Block the site.
>>106888654that will make 4chan better
How is 4chan going to pay for it?
>>106888669gofundme.com.
>>106888650It works better than you think. I predict -80% traffic from UK. Usually on normie sites it would be -90%, but I do hope that 4chin users are a bit more competent
>>106888582Censorship laws UK passed gave Ofcom unilateral power to fine and censor websites.
>>106888639>What is diplomacy?
>>106888673Then fine 4chan's commercial presenceOh wait
>>106888650Are they going to start blocking every site in the world that doesn't pay them? At that point they should just make a whitelist of websites they have received payments from and watch how internet has become country wide intranet for them.
>>106888728that's probably unironically what they're aiming to do desu
>>106888728I think that's their plan
>>106888646>"We have no business presence there bro">"Yes ofc we sell 4chan passes and show ads for the people that live there"
>>106888750>>106888757In that case it's worse than china
Why can't amerimutts be banned from the internet?
>>106888820>AMERICA OUT OF NOWHEREEuropoors...
>>106888820I can't live without 4chan.
>>106888839Europe isn't a country. I doubt you can find my country on a map anyways.
>>106888673>>106888686>selling one-pay-per passes on some shitty website is same as selling cars>actually, you should discuss your problems with every shizos and authoritarians out there, so they can understand your point correctly and not hurt youThose two are, by any means, either women or proof of bad influence of basedbeans to testosterone production in a man body.
>>106888820Because we invented it and 4chan, retard.
>>106888820Israel is our greatest ally.
>>106888728The point isn't too make websites pay, but to force them to operate in ways that the UK wants them to, so penalties will likely be a combination of fines and eventual blocking
>>106888859Where did I imply europoor was a country? it's a continent of shitworlders and cucks
the World Wide Web was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a British engineer and computer scientist
>>106888865>muts invented *chanlole. also>106888888
>>106888865Don't you have a school shooting to die in? :)
So will 4chan still refuse to disclose its' revenues from advertising and 4chan pass sales?It's clearly trying to send a message to Ofcom that it will not budge. And so far that has worked.
4chan was stolen from a japanese imageboardthe internet we know was made by englandyou faggot amerimutts didnt contribute shit to the world
>>106888936the internet was a US gov project
>>106888949define internet. there's a lot of tech involved that's not made by anyone related to the US. the first versions of TCP/IP are the only thing that comes to mind that's actually burger.
>>106888949but without the world wide web you don't have the internet yank
>>106888975>But without the technology and infrastructure that the US made you wouldn't have internet...!!Retard.>>106888973
>>106888794>>106888931Doing nothing to block access isn't the same as actively participating in the market.It would be hard for 4chan to even determine UK sales because not every UK IP is a UK resident and passes are paid in crypto.
>>106888794>assuming that at least one of the 3 pass holders is in the UK
>>106889004Ofcom specifically mentions "qualifying worldwide revenue", so it is not specifically asking for UK data.As far as the payments themselves go, it's $30 for one year or $60 for 3. Simply count the number of passes from each bracket and multiply. It doesn't matter if crypto to USD is volatile or if 4chan loses all of its' money in a day, but it's likely based on the value at the time.It could still keep a log of crypto revenues, if it wanted to.
>>106888582>How is that legal?Laws for thee not for me
>>106888582Legal?AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHWelcome to Airstrip One. Where you're going, they don't need "legal", friend.
We'll have to put 4chan on a plane and extradite him to the UK.
>>106888582So what will they do when gook moot doesn't pay?
>>106889003Americans invented computer crashing.
>>106889409>Seething concessionKWAB
>>106888806The West is going to make China and Russia blush, mark my words
>>106889358But…4chan could be any one of us!
So basically, England will ban 4chan. Out of the users from England, the indians, that is to say 95% of them, won't know how to bypass it, and for the 5% of real brits it won't make any difference. At the end it's a very good thing.
>>106889380all they can do is block access to 4chan. they cannot legally do anything as 4chan has no physical presence in the UK. if they dont like 4chans content they can just block it. the UK can go suck the dead queens rusty decomposed asshole.
>>106888898The Internet was invented by Al Gore.
>>106888646They can still force Cloudflare to block it for UK users, like that time Xitter was blocked in Brazil and they tried using cf to bypass the block.
>>106888582Don't remember voting for this one, lads
>>106888757>>106888874>>106888728>>106888750Bong here - what the hell are we gonna do if they block 4chins? I mean I can view it with Tor, or VPN and I can use a 4chan pass with bitcoin, but what do people who can't use a 4pass do?
>>106888588The UK can just make it not accessible in the UK.
>>106888650there was something with Virgin blackholing traffic instead of the usual DNS blocking a while ago.Still, everyone else will go the conventional route I assume.
>>106888582>How is that legal?it's legal for them to issue fines, but it's legal for 4chan to ignore them.this is probably a process, they issue fines until eventually the uk designates 4chan a foreign threat and bans the site for everyone not using a vpn
I hope 4chan fights and wins and then region blocks all UK IPs just for the lulz.
That's nothing, Russia unironically fined Google $20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
>>106890997chink moots lawyer said they arent paying any fines to the UK cause the UK cant do fuckall other than block access in their shithole country
>>106888582So, I can just travel to another country and get on 4chan again? That’s not very safe.Clearly, the UK needs to place a universal ban on all travel to any country that allows access to 4chan.
>>106890653You'll have to post on krautchan instead
England is really turning into V for Vendetta government type of shit
>>106890997Fights it?The UK is probably like Canada, in that the new laws give power to administrators and specifically say that (1) the courts *must* rule in favour of the unelected administrators or (2) there is nothing to challenge in the courts because it’s just procedural administration and it’s just a “list” the government keeps. (this is ongoing canadian gun ban escalation).
>>106890997Anyone know which VPNs (if any) allow posting with 4chins?
>>106891200None, detecting vpn and tor is very easy, buy 4chan gold it lets you post with vpn :p
>>106891085based ziggers
>>106891152Has been but your average Brit wants MORE state surveillance and does think that racism is worse than importing a gorillion browns that rape their daughters. For those that are sane, it must be sickening to see your own countrymen vote to slit their own throats. And to do so with a smile on their faces.
>>106888679the problem is all vpns are banned on 4chan, so you need both a pass and a vpn to post
>>106888794I think what anon means by "business presence" is something physical like an office, server farm, etc.
>>106888605>mootExcuse me, who?
>>106891572he walks like a faggot in that video.
>>106888669Sadly it's gonna have to come out of janny wages...
>>106891615But he was out faggot
>>106888582Dear George Washington,Give me money- King GeorgeDear King George,KMA- George Washington
>>106891886>But he was out faggotwhat? speak english fucko
>>106888582It's all smoke and mirrors. The case will be thrown out.
>>106888582globohomo won through MIGA
>>106888582>How is that legal?it's not. >>106888588not a UK registered business, not run by UK citizens, and they're targeting citizens outside of their borders, so nothing that jimmy savile land can do about it except seethe.
>>106891386those ones instanty support this measures once someone says it helps stop antisemitism
>>106888605If I was Moot I would have abandoned us too.
>>106892168They operate in UK's jurisdiction therefore they have to abide by UK laws
>>106892622They don't operate anything at all in the UK. If the land of the bong has a problem with the open connectivity nature of the internet, they can make their own Great Firewall of Airstrip One and ban every site they dislike, which they will probably do starting with 4chan.
>>106888582Why si Britonya like this?
>>106892622>They operate in UK's jurisdiction UK has no jurisdiction over the entire internet, only within their own borders. 4chan is a delware corporation hosted within the United States. it's over before it began, and low iq midwits such as yourself seem to not understand anything about how the internet works or international laws. the british are so fucking useless, powerless and incompetent that it's unreal to witness.
If you're not Google or Meta or whatever your content is illegal because it's on their internet
>>106892672This is all so pointless. After screwing around with fake fines for a bit, they'll block 4chan in the uk. Then hiro will notice his checks are a little lighter than before, and complain to whoever's running this shithole. And they'll have to comply with the law and additionally pay back the fines with interest to get let back in. It's a dumb waste of time.
>>106892883Sounds an awful lot like extortion to me
>>106892641>>106892672They collect revenue and their services are available in the UK, that's by definition operatingThe fines are the first part of their enforcement process which ends with restriction of traffic
>>106893008yeah, that's what governments do. are you still not over your teenage anarchist phase?
>>106888582Yeah violating international law? What is legal? It's certainly not enforceable unless you live in the UK.
>>106888582The British government makes up the rules as they go along according to their feelings.
Cant the US or at least 4chan sue the UK for breaking a bunch of laws?I honestly dont see wha they are even getting at with this. It just sounds too ridiculous. To think you can just force forgein companies to pay you money because they didnt follow your rules of your dumb island.Lot of politics is dumb, but this really takes the cake.
>>106888646He owes the JP govt a morbillion yen for 2ch stuff and he just straight up never paid it so it must be somewhat sound
>>106893179I'm thinking you don't understand yet just how entrenched the kike's (((agendas))) are in Airstrip One. These aren't White men's "feelings", they are direct & destructive foreign national's plots & schemes.
>>106888582Speaking as bong I don't think it is at all legal, I hope 4chan laughs and tells Ofcom to fuck off.
If the US court decides that this UK enforcement action is not in keeping with US law (and US UK treaties), then the US government is duty bound to intercede on behalf of the US business. It becomes a political matter between sovereign nations instead of a business vs a sovereign nation. One of the functions of the USTR (United States Trade Representative) is to intercede with foreign nations on behalf of US business interests. With a court decision backing the business, the USTR cannot simply ignore the request to intervene -they are legally required to do so
Oh no we'll lose all the UK postersAnyway
>>106888646Hiroshimoot needs to aggressively taunt the UK over this whole thing and turn their stupid law into a spectacle for the lulz, but he won't.
>>106893241you mean he fled france so the police could never get to himjap only has extradition treaties to gookland and amerikkka
>>106888679I think it'll be north of -95% traffic because almost no one has a pass and a VPN like >>106891439 said.It's also just easier to post from the furry mirror site so most will do that
>>106888582>Britain >Obese Currynigger hands
>>106888646this, when will they learn that just because something is accessible from another country, doesn't mean they operate in that country.internet services are requested, not pushed. if 4chan does or doesn't do something which they don't like, they can block 4chan
>>106893622it's current year anon
>>106888898Have he been fined yet?
>>1068888654chan is a 2chan clone
>>106888794if i were to make an overseas phonecall to a british pizza shop to buy a pizza for me mate, does that mean they operate in my country?
>>106893535That's exactly what he did though
>>106888646why isn't 4chan just making sure that it doesn't show tranny porn to little children instead
>>106893697the fifteenth amendment gives us the god damn right to show tranny porn to little children as laid down by sir jesus christ who gave his life in the battlefields of iraq
>>106888582It's not. The UK has no jurisdiction in the United States.
>>1068885824Chan should send them a bill for wasting their time. Like 10k/hr of wasted time writing a strongly worded letter for them to sod off but also pay for the time wasted and legal resources wasted.
Hirohito PLEASE give us a discount on Passes because soon we can only come here with a VPN
>>106891615he has some pretty faggy mannerisms, you can see it in pretty much any of his interviews or talks. If he's not gay then he's like the closest to being gay you can be without being gay.
>>106888582if anything they can issue their collective asshole to bbc holiday. fucking illiterate retards is what brit government people are
>>106893975Perhaps they have jurisdiction in the United Kingdom though?
>>106892622LOLLMAO
>>106893016Bitch and whine more, it's delicious
>>106891179nobody asked and nobody cares, bot.
>>106893710thanks limmy
>>106888582Funnily the fine is far lower than anyone expected and they might not end up blocking anyone. Of course they might still do it, but it's far more toothless than anyone thought.
>>106890653I've never dealt with crypto before, but I might have to for a pass. It'd be nice to pay with something conventional though.
>>106892883I doubt Hiro will pay because the site is in no way within UK jurisdiction. Just because someone from the UK requests something from a US site does not require the US site is to obey UK law.The UK is trying to broaden the scope of their power and is using 4chan because its a place few care about.The UK can block the site and that is the extent of their legal reach.
>>106893508>>106892883>>106893055What happens to a man for him to become like this?
>>1068944414chan doesnt do business or have a physical presence in the UK. 4chan is a US based company and bound by US laws not UK laws. they cant do shit with their gay ass fines.
The internet will become better when bong muhamjeets are banned from it, that island of irrelevance doesn't contribute anything meaningful anyhow
Baste limeys I hope they shut this smegma hole down forever. Fuck all y'all.
>>106894648If I am able to purchase a pass from 4chan within the UK, they are doing business in the uk
What is going to happen here is that likely the UK government will simply end up having to require UK CSPs to block access to 4chan.At that point I will simply use a VPN or Tor to browse it but probably won’t be able to post again because I’m not paying for 4chan gold or some crazy residential IP VPN or whatever,Everybody wins honestly.
Fuck lil Reginald gone do?
Hiromoot will cave, an english discussion Website that doesn't allow english natives. Lmfao pathetic. Enjoy your SeaMonkies who can barely string together a sentence
I'm not falling for your bait, I know you spelt those words wrong on purpose
>pass user need to give their emailsFuck that
>>106889466>rustyyou mean she was burried with her squat plug in? or that she was a rust programming lang enthusiast (tranny)?
>>106888860>If you don't let abuse your market you're le bad beans
>>106894699Nope.
>>106888654oh no, anyway.
why did nobody but a handful of sites even skim through the public OSA+OFCOM (extortion) outline?it wouldn't be this ongoing slow boil if everyone blocked them off for a single day, since UK doesn't own shit
>>106894818It's easily one of the most flawed pieces of legislation that was created. Especially since adult sites are already blocked on mobile by default, you need to use a credit card to unlock them, and adult sites are opt-in too. Creating an ISO standard for parental controls on routers would work, another ISO for parental controls, simplify the process of making child accounts for smart devices, would have been my preferred option to be honest. Theres also some degree of evidence that a group of companies who manage the age/id verification software were lobbying for this law too which IMO should immediately call it's legitimacy into question.
>>106889428all of the stupid ideas coming out of america recently already make them laugh their asses off: BLM, identity politics, critical race theory, 'white privilege'.the US, proving David Starkey wrong :'All the worst ideas in history came from France' - he will have to revise that statement
>>106888582because of a little thing called BREXIT tranny, never heard of it?
>>106888794>>"Yes ofc we sell 4chan passes and show ads for the people that live there"The passes are sold and processed in the US, they're just buying them while they're in britain, they're still not doing business in the poo-k.
>>1068909974chen doesn't even need to fight, they are protected by the US constitution, the only way OFCOM can enforce fines on 4chan is with the direct co-operation of the US government. Co-operation which will never happen because 4chan is not breaking any laws in the US, and Trump would gladly bomb No10 downing street if it would get rid of Starmer.
>>106891152the difference being the government in V for vendetta, engineered a terrorist attack to scare everyone into voting for them. The UK nu-labour government got in on the thinnest of majorities mainly due to many people voting labour because they were sick of the tories, without having any idea of what labour would do.Since getting in they have introduced policies no-one wanted or needed (the OSA for one) and broken or ignored all of the promises in their manifesto. They've one some of the stupidest things imaginable: handing the Chagos Islands (site of the US's biggest naval base in the pacific, Diego Garcia) over to Mauritias and promising to pay Mauritias £10 million a year for the next 99 years. They have done bugger all about stopping illegal immigration, filling the country with dangerous criminals and islamists.
>>106891386a Labour MP stood up and claimed the 'majority of the UK' wanted to ban VPNs. The 'majority': 4000 people over 65 who were probably asked leading questions like 'do you think people should be able to access illegal obscene or violent material using a VPN?'No-one voted for the OSA or for digital ID (no-one was even asked whether they wanted it or not), most people don't want it
>>106895078They have done a handful of positive things like enhancing workers and renters rights but overall it's been messy. Honestly their biggest problem seems to be completely ignoring any criticism and going "nuuur, your wrong it's your your own good", ultimately I hope they dump starmer and find someone with backbone and direction who dosen't suck off corpos so much. The Chagos islands thing was initiated by the tories too, it's taken them years to negotiate it. OSA was originally a tory policy though I do agree that labour made it worse with their amendments. And dealing with immigration is... huge, tories couldn't do it, reform won't be able to do it. Dealing with the current state of illegal immigration requires a massive coordinated effort with something of the scale of europol or interpol to take out the massively powerful organised gangs enabling it (besides the boats thing is a tiny fraction, like 2-4%?)
>>106888683And where do you think their legal authority to impose a remedy on an entity that has no presence within their jurisdiction comes from?
>>106895125Who doesn't want to emulate north korea?
>>106892133>erm the first amendment only applies to you and not us :^)this is utterly fucking insane. are they going to sue youtube next for allowing firearms in videos at all? because firearms are protected by the second amendment but the UK lacks a second amendment?
>>106888650not dns blocking, dns injectiondns requests are plaintext so its easy to spy on themthe government firewall will then try to answer the request before the real name server
>>106888686Diplomacy is only an option between equal forces and reasonable both sides. Just like democracy, if the forces are equal in power it has a chance to work, but otherwise both sides will do what they will/can. Israel kills Gazans because it knows it is more powerful - the diplomatic process there is just bombings. The UK does this shit because it knows that elections are not going to solve shit and there will never be a violent revolution, especially condiering that the leaders of the opposition are Mosad agents like Tomi Robinson. But diplomacy is two sides: you too can fuck the UK. I for example stole 30 000 pounds from it. I stole other stuff too, but they were at most 100 pounds so I do not count those. If the UK government sends you some mail or shit, you can just ignore it. You can also just never operate legal surface level business in the UK.... Just like say Somalia, you can have people govern themselves if Diplomacy is not a reasonable option. But this also means that you must be your own police or pay taxes to the warlord to be your protector.... The future looks bright for the UK
>>106895385Use Yandex+encrypted DNS requests.
>>106895418my solution is even easier, run my own dns so the requests never get on to the internet in the first place
>>106888582It's not, that's why we're not paying it.On behalf of 4chan, and by the same authority, on which UK's fine was issued, I issue a counter-fine of the same amount.I have exactly as much authority as they do.
>>106888582Special relationship
>>106893680Yes?
>>106888582Are bongs just fucking retarded?Do they plan to fine every single site from all around the world that doesn't comply with their new laws and expect to get paid?Imagine if North Korea fined every site that insulted the Great Leader or something? Everyone would laugh in their faces.Just block the site quietly and shut the fuck up. China already does that.But since there are hundred of thousands of sites all over the world that won't comply with UK's retarded laws it might be better to block everything by default and whitelist the complying sites only.
>>106896232it just comes off to me like an inflated sense of self-importance. like they just just can't fathom something in another country would dare say no to themi'm not british nor american and it still makes me laugh, like who do they think they are?
>>106888582>How is that legal?It's not.4chan is not in the UK and thus not in the jurisdiction of the UK.
>>106895317>are they going to sue youtube next for allowing firearms in videos at all?The UK may be ruled by braindead wannabe authoritarians but even they know they couldnt kick Alphabet.This is why theyre going after this place first, big enough to be recognizeable but not big enough to fight back easily or many bongs to give a shit if its banned. Considering how shit like this usually goes they probably expected hiroshima to just fold, pay and/or submit to their retardation since thats what smaller businesses usually do in a panic to avoid losing marketshare.
>>106888582oi why they didnt buy the loicense???
>>106895728If I, as a hypothetical UK citizen, physically visit a pizza shop in another country, that did not abide by business laws in the UK, can the UK sue them for violating those laws?
>>106888639>>106888646He can ignore the fines but depending on how butthurt the UK is over that defiance, they can issue an international arrest warrant for Japamoot. The US will ignore it but if he travels somewhere that is more willing to take bong cock up their ass, he could be detained and handed over to UK authorities. Also if him or the company have assets in other countries, the UK could petition one of those governments to seize the assets and turn them over to the UK.
>>106890653Be a true chad and set up a proxy service for UK users who can't afford a pass to post. Like sharing a streaming password (before the family account/concurrent user restrictions nonsense).You'll have a large roadblock in terms of bots that will shit all over your service and also just shitty users who get the entire service banned. You might have some leeway cycling VPNs when a ban happens but there are only so many to go through.
>>106896792I thought Hiroshima lived in france or some other EU country, if hes in the US he really has jackshit to worry about
>>106895437how does your dns makes the initial name resolution? unbound has a limited cache size and will eventually need to query other servers to resolve domains. Or perhaps they don't bother blocking root-server dns requests?
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