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If you're getting the EOL message on the windows updates tab and you're on the latest Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC version, it's a bug. People have been reporting it in several places now.
Chances are Microsoft doesn't give a shit though so no clue when this will get fixed, or even if it will get fixed at all.
Fuck Microsoft.

>>106892351
The massgrave docs on TSforge says that the reason why this message pops up is because of the ESU not being gotten from the consumer branch by the commerical branch, which Windows Update itself doesn't show if it's working or not. Guess we'll see what happens when November 11th hits.

So if I want to switch from W10 IoT Enterprise to W11 IoT Enterprise while keeping all the files, I just need to run the setup.exe from the ISO. Do I get to keep using my local account without creating the MS account?

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why is this suddenly raping my pc? it does this for a bit then switches over to 'license migration tool' or something like that.

>>106892440
Using a mounted ISO to in-place upgrade to the next LTSC is the official way to do it. Just tell to not install updates during the upgrade and you should be good. It'll say that you want to install IoT LTSC letting you keep all files.

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>>106892316
wait, this isn't shamiko

>>106892467
Shamiko-chan vs. Realistic Minecrap Villager

>>106892461
mounted ISO means virtual mounting and not putting it on a USB with rufus right?

>>106892498
Yeah, just mount it with Explorer

>>106892440
Oh wait, disregard my previous post, I'm retarded and need some sleep

>>106892524
That's for going from a GAC edition to LTSC, anon. Anon's going from LTSC to LTSC.

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Retard here. Will I regret upgrading to 11 if I have a legacy BIOS? I tried switching to UEFI but apparently I kinda fucked up the whole OS installation 8 years ago so my disk partitions are all over the place and I can't make the switch. Not only that, but the W10 LTSC installer is refusing to run so I can't even rely on it.

>>106892351
awesome

LTSC isn't real windows
it's for burger king cash registers
it doesn't even have games

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>>106892582
yeah but neither gac nor ltsc comes with genshin

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>>106892582
What do you gain from lying? The biggest difference is that you have to install the MS Store instead of having it pre-installed (which only takes one command)

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>no esu
>no windows 11 upgrade
???

>>106892638
I'd rather just use the winget-install script to get access to the MS Store repos via command line

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>>106892657
You can't get the consumer ESU with a local account. Your Windows has to be linked to an online Microsoft account. Also, the consumer ESU is only 1 year
Activate the 3 year commercial ESU with MAS TSforge instead
If you still get the EOL message in Windows update, check your activation status with either MAS or the command in pic related
If your ESU is activated then you can ignore the message in Windows update, it's just a fuckup from Microsoft, you still get security updates

Is the Windows 11 creation tool on the official site still able to use the oobe bypass method or did they already update it?

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>>106892657
Try reading the thread, it only has 18 posts in it. This happened to me today. Installed three years ago via massgrave.

>>106892316
>UI written in React Native aka JavaScript including: Start, Taskbar and Explorer that lags even on i9s
Is this actually widespread and documented or this another case of PEBCAK? I've used multiple W11 boxes for work and I've not noticed any measurable difference in UI responsiveness compared to any other OS.

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>>106892697
It's easier to just create a USB installer with a Windows 11 ISO and Rufus which lets you enable local accounts when creating the USB installer
In fact, Massgrave recommends using Rufus to install Windows

>>106892575
>awesome
I know, right.
Who could have seen something like this coming.

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>>106892708
This happens when you're a retard who activates with something else than HWID
You literally cannot lose an HWID activation unless you change your hardware, as it's stored on Microsoft's server

>>106892738
I changed my motherboard yesterday.

>>106892713
When it comes to 11 OP is just a hater.

>>106892756
Then just re-activate with MAS HWID

>>106892768
Thank you, I just updated and restarted my pc and it went away. I will follow the guide if it happens again. Weird.

>>106892792
>everyone
I used it pretty much since day 1 and while there were other problems, UI speed has never been an issue. I can't help but think this is coming from the same type of schizos who complained about 10 being "slow" compared to their beige box no-aero 7 install.

>>106892792
That's basically a perfect example of why you should always wait an LTSC version or two before switching to a new Windows version
Personally I'm not switching to W11 before LTSC 2027

>>106892799
Anon you changed your motherboard so the HWID was completely different ergo your HWID activation disappeared.

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When I'm upgrading from 10 to LTSC does it fuck it up if I am logged into the account. (I need it for MS Teams)

>>106892892
At that point you might as well just change over to Enterprise with MAS, re-activate and enable the ESU licenses. Also when it comes to MS accounts you should just be able to login for MS apps instead of system-wide.

Genuinely, how likely is Mr. Nutella gonna rape my boss's ass if Microsoft finds out I've installed W11 IoT (illegally) on some of the computers where I work? I've only done 30 computers so far but there's another branch opening next year with about 70 cubibcles that I would've installed W11 IoT on, but now I'm getting spooked. It's just so much easier than having to make a shitty microsoft account for every single damn computer. SoCal btw

>>106893006
>Genuinely, how likely is Mr. Nutella gonna rape my boss's ass
Hard. No lube. MS doesn't care about someone pirating windows on their home box, but enterprise installs are a whole other matter.

>>106892498
Either would work

>>106893006
simply tell him to fuck off

>>106893006
You shouldn't do this kind of MAS-related stuff in an actual office environment. You're gonna get your shit kicked in.
This is what your office's budget is for i.e. actually buying the license packs.

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The thread I asked this is now archived so I'll ask this here: for using Rufus and Windows 11 Nano together to upgrade from Windows 10, I've been told I need a USB stick. However, I also learned about pic related. I assume that's only for the USB drive where you plugged in the USB stick needed for the installation of Win 11 Nano?

>>106893094
Yes it only wipes the USB that you have selected to re-partition/format it for the ISO you want to flash it with.

>>106892351
Yeah I just started getting this too, I'm a hue so it's 50 minutes past midnight here.
>Microsoft really got so lazy that they just shat out a message saying everyone on 10 reached EOL if their system date is set to after october 14
fucking kek
Expect a lot of panicked burgers shitposting in the next few hours

>>106893019
>>106893069
>>106893072
Figured, guess I'll hope for the best and pray that they aren't already after my workplace for the computers I already did, cause I did it all on my own accord lole
I'll just use a debloater for the new computers and painstakingly make a microsoft account for each one

>>106893105

Okay then, once WIn 11 Nano is installed, do I really keep the files I had back back in Win 10?

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Is this normal?
This is on W10 IoT LTSC

>>106893149
If you're installing from a boot USB then most likely no. IMO you should just in-place upgrade to 11 with an ISO from your current install and debloat it afterwards as you wish.

>>106893006
Extremely likely. Don't do it. For one computer is whatever but 100? You are crazy.
AFAIK they're going to write a nice email to you to clarify how many computers you have the system installed on and how many licenses because LTSC is available through volumetric licensing. They are not going to care if the systems are activated or not but they will demand proof of having as many licenses as you have active computers. They sometimes do it for legitimate customers where the licenses don't add up by accident or when they're auditing.
For small businesses I think LTSC IoT goes for $200 or $300 a pop.
BTW you can do all of that legally. Talk to your boss, purchase the licenses and then you can use MS own tools to deploy Windows system preconfigured and not deal with any of the account shit. Why do you think it's so easy to bypass the account requirement in the first place? Because it's like that by design, all the bypasses are simple flags you set and is behaviour coded by MS itself. Sys admins don't manually go around clicking next on each computer. You don't even need to use IoT or LTSC versions. I don't remember which version was it but I remember we deployed regular Pro versions I think, definitely not the more expensive Enterprise, and the MS guy was like yeah you can do that but your licenses must all check out.
But 100 computers running illegal Windows is a fuckton. I've never dealt with that number. Depending on circumstances they might go legal route immediately.

>>106893159
It's a bug.

>>106892316
>how pajits will look in the future
40keks

>>106893161

And I got games in my desktop that's still in Win 10... Uh! And I'm writing in a laptop that's in Win 11 that wasn't built to be a gaming computer so I won't be able to rescue the progress I have in Synduality: Echo of Ada.

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>>106893159
This is just a fuckup from Microsoft. You can ignore the message, you'll still get updates
Pic related

How long can I run LTSC for

I am still sitting on a shitty Win10 home edu version. Should I wait until MS fixes that eol message for everyone and then reinstall iot ltsc?

>>106893190
LTSC gets updates until late 2028. IoT LTSC gets updates until 2032.
With the ESU licenses, GAC 10 can get updates until late 2028 as well.

>>106893166
Yeah, not 100, but around 30, which yes is still a lot. I'll reduce it to 15 tomorrow cause some of the computers are inactive and I'll whittle it down slowly. Do you think installing W11 Pro (through massgrave again...) on all the IoT computers is going to get me in the clear?

>>106893199
Is your boss just a cheapskate that doesn't want to allot funds to Windows licenses?

>>106893176
>>106893182
It's literally the first post lol, I really need to read the thread first

>>106893190
Windows 10 IoT LTSC 2021 gets security updates until 2032
If you activate it with HWID (as you should), MAS will automatically switch it to IoT if it's not already, so no need to worry if you're installing a non-IoT LTSC ISO (if you need another language than English for example)

>>106893205
Yeah, kinda + it's just me being a retard. The computers were already running a mixture of W10/W11 Pro before I converted them disceetly, because they're all refurbed optiplexes bought on amazon a long time ago. I'm just wondering if converting them back from IoT to Pro will require another license, cause I'm assuming the licenses for IoT will not be compatible for Pro.

>>106893215
No they are not compatible. If you re-install Pro on them they won't be activated, unless your network uses a KMS server to keep everything activated and Pro is what it was originally given.

>>106893215
Brother, just go to your boss and have him approve purchase of however many volume licenses your business needs, then proceed to install/activate based on those. Otherwise you're setting the company up for the kind of legal trouble where you just getting fired is actually a best-case outcome.

>Forgot that I turned off updates half a year ago
>Massgrave ESO activation fails because my windows is outdated
Now what?

>>106893282
Download the cumulative update package for 2025 October for your feature pack from the update catalog and install it?

>>106893282
Update your W10 install

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Any reason to upgrade to W11 if I have extended security updates? I only do gaming

>>106893295
If your games work on 10, no real need I guess.

is shamikoOP gone again?

>>106893215
Honestly, you're fine for now. I did the same thing last year (IoT as well) with even more computers and it took me months before going back and thinking "wait, that's fucking stupid" and converting them back to Windows 11 Pro machines. Never got any email or lawsuit from Microsoft but I probably would have if I let them sit for too long. I'll tell you now though: stop being a fucking idiot and delete any IoT USBs you have immediately and throw Windows 11 Pro installations on them pronto. And don't download the fucking ISOs on your work computer. Go to work early and fix your fucking mistakes and convert all those IoT computers back to Pro. When you set up those new computers, let them connect to the internet to activate the licenses AND THEN use massgrave to install Windows 11; the license is really what Microsoft cares about when it comes to this.

>>106893284
Gonna need some help with this since the catalog site seems to be written back in 2000. I do understand that the 3 options given are for different bit versions of windows, but I still get the option of two msu files when clicking on download.
Which one is it?

>>106893391
Just search for "22H2 cumulative" on the website and you should find the update package you're looking for.

>>106893181
It's a steam game and live service, just sync it to steam's cloud save.

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>>106893460
Searching for "22H2 cumulative" gave me 946 results.
Searching for the latest cumulative update via the support site lead me to "KB5066130", which should be the latest one.
Searching the catalog for that gives me these 4 results. Should be the first one, right?

>>106893502
KB5066791 is what I'm getting.

is it a bad idea to sit on the fence for now with win 10 and see how this all plays out or should I be quick to swap over to the win 10 ltsc before something happens, like it gets removed?

>>106893509
That one seems to be for ltsc versions.

>>106893525
Going from regular W10 to LTSC is pretty painless, you don't even need a USB.

>>106893545
How?

>>106893557
https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol#upgrade-windows-10-home-pro-etc-editions-to-windows-10-iot-enterprise-ltsc-2021-while-keeping-files-and-apps

Just follow the instructions here.

>>106893566
Just so I get the final part right, I am using the non-iot ltsc iso using the same language and architecture as my current windows, activate it with mas, then go to the activation page and enter the iot key to switch to iot ltsc, right?
Probably going to do a backup of everything just in case I fuck things up.

>>106893545
I think at the very least I want to clone my hard drive over to a backup before I try it though.
I don't know if this is the thread but what cloning software do people like? i've never done it before.

>>106893199
>Do you think installing W11 Pro
Yes. Because LTSC Enterprise is for big boys and MSFT cares more. It's usually sold volummetrically unless you're in countries that allow reselling licenses.
But why are you doing this? If you do something illegal it's grounds for getting summarily fired even in countries with the strictest labour laws AND legal trouble with MSFT. You're subjecting yourself to unnecessary risk so your boss can save some money. If MSFT comes knocking it'll be your ass.
I assume you don't know how to deploy this stuff and don't use active directory or whatever so I'll give you a ghetto simple solution: use rufus to make the bootable USB(s). It allows you to make a local account and skip the entire intro. Use it to install Windows on all those PCs. Go to your boss and have him buy a W11 Pro license for each seat. And you're good. MSFT doesn't give a shit if they're activated "properly", they just want the licenses to add up.

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>>106893601
I got receipts for about 100 refurbished computers bought on Amazon over the years, so I'm sure it's fine if I point to those as proof of genuine Windows licenses. Anyway, thanks for the help, and yeah, I fucked up.

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I know I can ignore this message and that I'll still get security updates, but it still bothers me
Do you guys think MS will push an update earlier to fix this or do we have to wait for next month's update?

>>106893544
It was what came up for me when I searched my Windows version number, and I'm just on normal Enterprise.

>>106893771
I don't even look at the update page when it isn't Patch Tuesday. All you can really do is just wait until November's patch tuesday to see if the ESU is actually working properly.

>>106892351
>>106893771
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/end-of-service-statement-e440a698-de79-4ace-b53b-5a6a3e36685e
Seems like IoT bros got fucked by MS.

I'm moving all my comps to IoT 10 tonight, are there any registry changes I should make or is ticking shutup10 settings good enough for some privacy?

>>106892316
This removes the bloatware and makes Windows 11 usable.

https://atlasos.net/

>>106893771
>>106893958
It'd actually be the funniest twist if despite being made to keep getting updates until 2032, Microsoft EOS'd LTSC anyway on purpose just because they got butthurt at all the people who don't want to update.
Given the whole thing in Europe it'd probably get them in some deep shit though.

>>106893601
>Go to your boss and have him buy a W11 Pro license for each seat.
>but they've been working until now
The only winning move was to do the right thing from the start

>>106893215
>before I converted them disceetly
Why tho. Its not like Microsoft doesn't give you tools to setup custom images or allow you to directly control updates to all your devices.

>>106893591
>>106893593
have u done it? how was it?

>>106893499

But in the case of Steam games, wouldn't that require purchasing and downloading them again after you replace the desktop's Win 10 into Win 11 Nano?

Got the ESU right now
>>106890916
I'm in western Europe but in eastern Europe there should be no problem as long as they are in the european economic zone.

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>>106892316
Quick question, for the IoT LTSC 2022 manual upgrade tutorial here, do I need to already be on W10 Enterprise to make it work? I use Education at the moment but I'd like to get something to stay on Windows 10 for as long as I can.

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>>106892546
MBR is not supported by UEFI. For UEFI to read your partition, it needs to be converted to GPT first. Third-party software is my go to for anything partition related. In gparted, it's as easy Device > create partition table > GPT.

>>106895074
Yes you need to be on IoT LTSC 2021 already before running the update package.

>>106895123
Gotcha. Can I upgrade to that from Education via MAS or something without having to fully wipe my drive in the process?

>>106895142
You need to use an IoT LTSC 2021 ISO and in-place upgrade with it after doing some registry tweaking to make the setup think that you're already on IoT LTSC. The massgrave docs list out what to do.

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>>106892316
I havent updated my windows 10 since 2019 (i use shutup10 and i never will update to windows 11 since i have no reason to.

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>>106895171
Ah! This doc? I got my hands on the ISO and checked the SHA256 hash against a bunch of other sources.

>>106895459
Yep that's the one
Make sure when opening the setup to uncheck to box saying to install updates

>>106895466
I see, I'll follow along with that guide, then. How come with the updates part?

>>106895480
Just makes it easier. You can run Windows Update afterward.

>>106895497
Cool, thanks! I'll give it a shot.

>>106895459
>>106895074
just consider that microsoft fucked something up and currently iot ltsc is listed as ineligible for updates kek.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/end-of-service-statement-e440a698-de79-4ace-b53b-5a6a3e36685e
Currently my system indeed says it's EoS

>>106895732
We know. The updates will probably go through just fine next Patch Tuesday.

Hi /fwt/ I switched to 11 IoT LTSC about a week ago and somehow I have an Activate Windows watermark now. Wasn't HWID meant to be persistent after version switches? Anyway is HWID still the best activation method or is there a new meta?

>>106895805
You might've just done something to change your HWID itself so it turned off. Just run it again.

>>106895805
>Wasn't HWID meant to be persistent after version switches?
No
HWID persists if you wipe your drives and install an edition you've activated before
If you change to an edition you've never activated before, you'll have to activate it with HWID

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it's been 70 minutes already holy fuck

>>106892316
If I install w11 IoT LTSC then can I disable malware like AI, recall, and onedrive similar to win10 ltsc?

As a troglodite with very technical knowledge of computers, what are the most essential safety and privacy measures one should take if I update to W11? My computer is dying as it is, so a change is inevitable, and Linux is out of the question.

>>106898391
Yes, but iot ltsc doesn't come with onedrive, anyway

>>106893166
>>106893601
I'm not the sysadmin anon, but I am curious: if I were to run a business and get the Pro version of windows, but make it like IoT LTSC, is it possible? I know with NTLite that we can remove all the bloat in the iso, but I'm not sure how the group policy would work to get only security updates (no store apps magically appearing after an update) and to set it to only notify for updates but not download & install.

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>>106898576
When it comes to basic privacy measures, you can use group policy to toggle diagnostic data off, available in Enterprise variants only, you can also disable not very useful stuff in Defender like could based protection and sample uploading.

if you want deeper approaches, you can use ShutUp10 or even more complex ones like WinUtil, although even if they have a friendly look, it's important to understand a bit what they actually do so you don't fiddle with stuff you shouldn't

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I love Windows!

RIP

>>106899954
this was practical?

>>106900025
Yeah, surprisingly soulful

>>106900074
thats awesome actually
makes me appreciate wangblows a bit more

>>106892316
Where did you get that picture of me

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I bought a new laptop like Microsoft wanted me too. Setting it up now.

It's AI ready... with a built-in Copilot button and everything.

>>106900324
Satya is creaming his pants right now

I always activated my father's Windows 10 with vlmcsd, and now he calls me and tells me that despite creating a Microsoft account and logging in, he is not receiving Windows 11 or ESU updates. Is this expected, or is he doing something wrong?

>>106900079
>developers
>developers
>dev...
Pretty cool. Always thought it was some rendering.

>>106900635
not familiar with that method, but in theory it should be possible to receive the ESU updates if Windows Update works properly and nothing is blocking it. Also, if it's an Enterprise variant, sometimes those don't receive the messages

Also, you should consider switching to MAS for activation, it also has options to get the 3 years of ESU without an account

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Do not make me bump this thread again or I shall post something mighty ghastly next time.

>>106902854
I'm intrigued

how often do i need to update these openshells/startallbacks after ltsc update?

Is there anyway to bring back the behavior of the mouse getting caught in the corner on multi monitor setups?
I used to be able to just fling the pointer into the corner, but now I keep overshooting the close button on windows or the show desktop button on the taskbar by sliding into the next screen.

>>106903639
Go to display settings and slightly misalign your displays along w/e axis you prefer.

>>106903655
Thanks anon.

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Can at least one fucking thing work for once?

>>106900635
VLMSCD sounds... obscure? I've never heard of it. I would instead just give him a local account on his 10 install, change it to Enterprise and re-activate then activate the ESU licenses. You can do all this with the modern go-to script tool MAS, which you can get from typing the irm command from the OP in an admin powershell.

I'm sorry I let you all down. Especially >>106903428. I'm not going to complain because if the j*****y didn't appreciate my ghastly bump and yet spared me from a ban then I'll take it. Besides, everyone's having fun on the "other" thread anyway.
>>106892593
>>106892593
>>106892593

>>106906065
I dunno, I've seen /fwt/ wiped because of too much c*nny and l*li talk. I had to remake the thread that time too.

>>106892351
>(((mistakenly)))

Wanted to thank the anons who actually helped me here a few weeks ago, installed 10 IoT LTSC and had no issues at all apart from changing some extra settings to switch the language fully.
Feels faster after a few days than my old 10 Pro installation. Fuck 11.

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>>106892316
Frens, im having issues installing W10 or W11 LTSC Iot on my Thinkpad that i just bought for 100 $. Basically when i try a clean install it reaches the account creation setting, i want a local one so i just enter my name, password and three security questions. Then it tells me "Something went wrong" with no further explanation. I tried this with W10 and W11 both with the same outcome. What am I doing wrong?

>>106909667
I tried unticking the "local account creation" box and "use system regional settings" when making the USB live boot but to no avail

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>>106893566
huh do i need any of this shit, i thought i can just change the license using MAS? or is IoTEnterprise not the same as LTSC?

>>106909899
No, it is not the same.
You can not change regular editions to LTSC with this.

>>106909899
there's IoT and there's IoT LTSC kek

you can go to regular IoT from MAS, but not to IoT LTSC

For that you need a different trick that's discussed in the Windows 10 EOL section of the massgrave page, so you can go to LTSC while keeping files.

>>106909916
alright it's 2 separate channels. i see IoT is not available in different languages
>Download Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 ISO from here in the same Windows language and architecture.
so i guess i'll need to go with non-IoT shit if i dont want a clean install

>>106909945
You can change LTSC to IoT LTSC at any time with MAS.

>>106909956
so they're binary identical (according to massgrave website), but one has different languages and the other one is english-only?

Has anyone used ExplorerPatcher? Thoughts?

>>106910007
If you change LTSC that is in different language to IoT LTSC your language stays the same.
They also have different activation methods, but MAS can activate both.

what framework to make good looking windows 11 desktop apps, quickly?
winui?
python shit, QT
react native?
electron?
tauri?
mainly looking for aesthetics, then ease of development.
also if microsoft have their own winui, why are they using react native?

>>106892316
Does anyone here have any experience with Ninite? Is it good?

I'm on
Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 21H2
non-IoT

do I need to figure out how to switch my version to IoT then run/rerun the activator to keep getting security updates for another few years?

fuck downgrading to 11

>>106910966
run mas hwid and thats all

>>106910974
that's what I figured/was hoping, cheers

>>106910932
It's great stuff, and has yet to be enshittified. Fire it off and go watch a movie.

So I enabled ESU via TSforge for W10 enterprise yet it still says that my windows does not receive security updates anymore

is this some pajeetsoft trick?

>>106911565
nevermind, classic pajeetsoft, read the thread

>>106892316
>Wait for IoT LTSC 2027 if you can
Why?

>>106892316
is it possible to do an in-place move to W10 IoT from a standard W10 home?

>>106911890
yes, check >>106893566

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>>106892351
>it's a bug

Fuck this shit, I am not gonna read into W11 its caveats, what to install, what to deactivate etc.

Gonna stick with W10, changing from W10 N to W10 LTSC IoT and install Classic Shell.

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>>106892316
best music player for windows?
i used foobar but i kinda want something else

>>106912495
winamp

>>106912495
Audacious is alright.

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>>106892316
FLEE!!!
ABANDON WINDOWS
FLEE BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!

>>106912495
Musicbee

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>>106903832
Thanks for bringing this up, for some reason it was off for me

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>>106912663

>>106912495
the one you're using followed by winamp. those are the only two options i'd consider because they both have good plugin support.

Change of plans again after consulting ChatGPT.

Didn't know that even installing the latest Nvidia driver for the 50 series could cause problems on W10 LTSC IoT versions for various reasons.

ChatGPT suggest W11 LTSC IoT has less issues.

>>106910932
I use a Ninite installer to get a whole bunch of typical things installed in one swoop on new PCs. It's super useful.

>>106913289
The newer the parts the more you should be using 11

>>106910932
Just use winget?

>>106892467
Bring back Shamiko

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all windows users should kill themselves, including you

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Cool program that was recommended to me a while back, UniGetUI

It's like Winget but with a GUI

>>106911681
Because OP is anti-11 but still thinks that everything will be "fixed" in 3y time

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>>106913688

>>106892316
>fell for the 12th gen Intel meme
Huh? Why is this a meme?
AMD CPU's also need a scheduler..?

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Who else accepted the enablement package branded as the 25H2 update?

>>106913728
I don't have to worry about Microsoft Recall if my laptop has no special AI cores, right? It won't work without one of those new special CPUs?

Please bring back Windows Movie Maker.

>>106913587
Oh i just bought a new pc with 5080 and was here to research whether to clean install 10 or 11. Makes sense...guess I'm getting 11

>>106913859
enjoy your AI spyware, retard

ChatGPT said one should avoid installing W11 LTSC and then on top run AtlasOS script.

Hmmm, should I only get the LTSC version or use the AtlasOS Windows image, which is based on W11 Pro?

>>106913757
It needs an NPU but you can also just disable it in the Windows Features dialog

>>106913728
me, it didn't change anything, i suppose they want to keep it identical with 24H2 for the time being

>>106913716
Because if it doesn't work with best performance on Win7 with all mitigations disabled its a meme

>>106913876
depends on what you want, Atlas is for an optimized Windows, LTSC doesn't improve performance or anything, it's just for less updates and longer support.

Keep in mind that Atlas comes with no guarantee, if you run into an issue, it might be hard or even impossible to fix, so it's mostly something you'll have to try and see if it works for you.

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Anyone know how to permanently stop this apps from updating?
GameInput makes my games stuttering when using a controller. I had to manually stop GameInput from servise.msc.

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>>106913980
>trying to prevent microsoft's virus from acting like a virus

why even bother. you're getting exactly the windows experience they want you to have. if you don't like it then install something else

>>106913876
>you need to disable all four toggles in the Virus & threat protection page of the Windows Security app so the AME Wizard can proceed
Lol

>>106909945
When you'll activate your non-English LTSC with HWID, MAS will automatically convert it to IoT

>>106913876
why are you asking an LLM how to work your own fucking computer instead of reading the manual? are all windows users this dumb

>>106913980
>Anyone know how to permanently stop this apps from updating?
>win10
They don't anymore
>GameInput makes my games stuttering when using a controller. I had to manually stop GameInput from servise.msc.
Just set it to disabled then

Shit, I will try to get W10 LTSC 22H2 running on my new build.

W11 LTSC is based on 24H2, which some say is worse than the 23H2.

>>106914270
>W11 LTSC is based on 24H2, which some say is worse than the 23H2.
Yes
That's why I'm waiting for LTSC 2027 before switching to W11

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>>106900324
What are the specs of your gaming laptop?

>>106900598
You silly boy!

>>106914278
The main reason to switch from 7 to 10 was dx12.
Now there is no reason to switch from 10 to 11, it is the same system but with laggier and worse UI.
Better wait for 12 and see how bad it is.

>>106914309
The main reason will be the same as before: At some point software devs will simply stop supporting W10 just like they did with W7 after the end of it's ESU
Drivers too. I'm pretty sure you won't have W10 drivers for new Nvidia GPUs in 5 years

>>106914309
>it is the same system but with laggier and worse UI
Where do you niggers come from? lmao

>>106914359
There is the same driver file for 10 and 11 from Nvidia.
Driver makers aware it is the same system.

>>106914487
There isn't a single person in charge of Windows 11 UI design, don't fall for these retarded articles by Microsoft

>>106892316
>update windows
>monitors keep turning off when watching videos
?

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>>106914519
Nvidia publicly stated that they'll stop supporting W10 after the 1 year consumer ESU period

>>106914568
Nothing will stop anybody from installing so-called "11" drivers on win10, they are the same system.

>>106914578
Yeah, 11 drivers run on the same backend as 10 drivers so a 10 driver should work totally fine on 11 and vice-versa.

>>106914595
The same thing happened with win8, forgot it even existed (it did not).

>>106914568
>all the driver downloads were the same link for windows 10/11 until the ryzen 9000 series released and forced windows to fix their OS
>muh support though

>>106914810
or perhaps it was rtx 5000.

>>106910966
>>106910974
>>106911005
worked without issue btw, cheers

getting a 2nd drive soon. im on pleb 11 version. what do you guys recommend to go back to 10 iot ltsc? I was thinking install 10 on new drive, backup my stuff from old to new drive, format old drive, put data back on original drive and use as storage drive from then on out.

since im tired as fuck there is probably an easier way or some utility ive never heard of that does this but easier. also please do suggest any useful backup tools. I was thinking about potential disk image backup but idk.

tldr; win11 pleb gets 2nd drive. how to backup/save everything (data, favorites, whatever else(?)), keep old drive as storage, and have 10 iot ltsc on new drive in least amount of steps?

What might cause my signed in Windows 10 to refuse adding to my MS account devices? I've tried adding local account to switch sign in again with my email a few times. It looks like everything is connected to my account, but the device won't show online.

>>106914893
Have you used any utilities like ShutUp10?

>>106914487
a lot of the times they make this interviews and it's like "I didn't know anything about this work, but with hard work I made it here anyway!", not just MS but also Google and other places

maybe they should start hiring actual experienced fucking people, it's been a while that I theorized that they keep hiring the most incompetent people because they are the easiest to handle and brainwash, it's not like the Gates era when he kept the most brilliant programmers in the world in cages

>>106914487
This obviously means she was always a mac user, retards.

>>106912495
musicbae

>>106914359
Indeed. So why update now and endure months, years of pain with a shitty OS instead of only when something you want to run requires it? Assuming that actually happens.

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It's weird, I was in the " windows 11 is fine, you'll get over it" boat, and to an extent I still am, but now I have to force install 25h2 cause windows update is broken.

>>106915087
>Assuming that actually happens
Do you genuinely believe new hardware and software will support Windows 10 in 2040?

>>106914568
Wtf ngreedia.
/g/ aside, what about real workstation users on real licensed LTSC versions? At least their studio drivers have to work.
This sounds like planned obsolescence, but why? Novidya has no reason to do this, I mean GPU's will work on 10 and 11, it's probably just a fucking Check:
>if ($version -match "Windows 10") {
Write-Host "Sorry, Windows 10 is not supported."
exit 1
}
elseif ($version -match "Windows 11") {
Write-Host "Windows 11 detected. Continuing..."

>>106892351
It's fixed now, I had this earlier in the morning, now it's gone by itself. Seems like a backend fix MS implemented without touching our systems.

>>106915231
I'm on IoT LTSC 2021 and I still have it, even after restarting my system

>>106915250
Then it's either gradual or you might need to check for updates manually.

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What exactly will this do for me?
>t. brainlet that's trying to keep up with the extended update period despite being a brainlet

>>106915468
It will activate the Year-1/2/3/6 ESU licenses for your Windows install through the CommericalESU channel. You'll get updates for at least three more years on 10 via activating these licenses.

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Is there a way to spoof HWID (at least what's reported with wmic, not on-chip) without bricking my shit?

>>106915518
You might as well just use another activation method at this rate, like KMS4k which is a part of TSforge.

>>106915480
I see... That's good at least. Is that as far as I can take it or is there another way to get even longer support?

>>106915554
That's why the 6 is there. It could reach that far, it couldn't. We don't know.
Also check the licensing with "slmgr /dli" in a command prompt to show that the licenses are there and activated/licensed.

>>106915575
Just checked and they appear to be listed there.

>>106915707
Then you're all good.

>>106892316
Where the hell is the tranime OP? I hate this thread. I have to deal with the ugliness of Windows on a daily basis. When you are doing these threads, at least use a nice picture in the OPs.

>>106914359
>I'm pretty sure you won't have W10 drivers for new Nvidia GPUs in 5 years
You mean 1 year. Even if W10 is in ESU they have no obligation to supply drivers for new GPUs.

>>106914862
>how to backup/save everything (data, favorites, whatever else(?)), keep old drive as storage, and have 10 iot ltsc on new drive in least amount of steps?
Exactly how you said.
Enjoy your shitty sound applet and window management on 10

>>106915963
If you've been in these threads long enough (or even the past two days) you'd know uploading a random image for OP is better than some an*me bullshit.

Also, don't install Windows and Linux on one storage device. Windows Boot Manager doesn't like to share.

>>106898255
your hard drive is borked
it will die soon

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>>106916084
>Even if W10 is in ESU they have no obligation to supply drivers for new GPUs
Modern hardware sucks ass. What is the usecase for a new GPU when my old one still works and supports my OS?

why does my install download the w11 update after i disabled secure boot
i though that kills the hw check

I updated windows 10 for the last time yesterday and today windows keeps changing my theme from dark to light.
If I change it back it's still going light after a couple of minutes.
I am fucking furious.
Any help will be appreciated, I am close to throwing that shit through the window

>>106916573
it needs to disable all the spyware

where Sophie?

>>106892738
this isnt actually true. you need to run mas again because its on their (MAS) servers.

>>106916675
send help, I'm losing my mind

>>106916885
in my bed

>>106916897
Did you look at the image?
Are you saying massgrave is literally lying?

>>106916897
Stop being retarded, anon.

>Windows 10 LTSC 2019 = Realtek audio service installs and works fine
>Windows 10 LTSC 2021 = won't even install, let alone appear in services.msc and startup
Explain this shit. Did the blue crab company change something fundamental in the way their audio driver installs and works? Or did MS fuck something up after v1809?

>>106917045
I downloaded a generic Realtek 64-bit audio service for my 22H2 install and it installed and works fine.

>>106917045
realtek have been pulling this shit since forever
every one of their driver releases seems to only work with a SINGLE windows version
i had to literally install 10 different driver versions for my realtek97 audio back in the day just to make one of the features work

>>106917059
From their website, v2.82? I tried that too, but no audio service could be found after install, therefore the Realtek control panel won't even open.

>>106892444
Did you enable the "Remove default Microsoft Store packages from the system" policy on group policy btw?

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>still on 23h2
>never had the option to get 24h2
>immediately get 25h2

I'm scared. Should I do it?

>>106917407
Might as well. An older PC I was on was staying on 21H1 for the longest time until I randomly got the 22H2 feature pack.

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>>106915518
Use KMS38 and be done with it until 2038.
If things go well you won't be using any Microsoft product by that time.

Does 25H2 do anything that isn't AI shit? Did microsoft spent the last year fixing literally none of the problem with Windows?

>have win10 on old NVMe/M.2
>have it installed with veracrypt
>works fine always
>buy 2 new M.2 drives
>swap old with new
>now try to boot old win10 installation using a M.2 -> USB adapter
>veracrypt password prompt succeeds
>windows logo and starts loading
>black screen -> PC reboots
So why exactly? Why can't it boot from an M.2 adapter via USB port? Is windows using drive/partition UUID's and somehow UUID has changed because it's now an USB drive?

>>106917756
KMS4k is basically just a better version of KMS38

Is W11 LTSC less pozzed than consumer edition?

>>106917957
Of course it is. The whole reason why Enterprise/Education are recommended over Home/Pro is because they're the versions the easiest to reign in.

>>106917973
How is the privacy? Does it take a screenshot of your desktop every 10 seconds?

>>106917982
No. Recall can only activate if your computer has an NPU in its CPU, which as of now is only in ARM64 PCs. And you can use either the Windows Features dialog or DISM to disable Recall at the source if you're paranoid.

>>106916107
rather have that than laggy desktop. i have another pc with 10 ltsc and it is night and day. much snappier despite much shittier specs. also found it easier to customize/debloat than 11 pissing about changes i make, i probably lack knowledge about 11 but thats part of the reason im switching back. if 11 iot ltsc fixes the shitty desktop i could go there as well, but from what i gathered its just react being react. correct?

>>106917999
Fair enough, though I haven't had any performance problems.. apart from the new context menu so I had to disable it.
>but from what i gathered its just react being react. correct?
Not much of the UI is actually written in react but C++ WinUI 2. I'm sure settings is and apparently the recommended section of the start menu is but unlike what /g/ will tell you its just a JS engine calling WinUI 2 APIs, not a whole web browser.
It would be nicer if they just released a Win64 or something that was just a slightly improved Win32 with better styling but I guess even their devs can't manage their own event loop and deal with adaptive sizing themselves anymore.

i have been using linux/mac for the last 6 years and everything i do is through the terminal
>neovim for text editing
>bash scripting for automating most things
>hurl for http collections
>native package management (including LSP's)
im going to need to start using windows for work. what's my experience going to be trying to keep this workflow similar in windows? should i just start preparing to use vstudio/vscode?

>>106918584
You can set up Windows Subsystem For Linux if you want to have a native Linux layer over the top of your Windows install. You can also use package managers like Scoop to install terminal programs like you would on Linux.

>>106917045
Realtek drivers are shit and a bloat, I never use them at all and just keep default Windows drivers.
One downside of this is no Stereo Mix.

>>106892467
wait, you will never be a woman

How to create a portable windows 10 usb stick installation on linux? I never use windows but now I have to.... I don't know anything about windows. I searched and seems like "windows to go" is something I need.

>>106919470
Answering to myself: Well I guess I can always create a win 10 VM in QEMU/KVM and then pass my USB stick to it and use rufus to create a windows to go installation on the usb stick in the VM.

>>106919509
you can add you usb drive as a sata disc in qemu/virt-manager and install windows normally.
windows since 8.0 will boot from usb out of the box, no need for rufus

>>106919509
>>106919529
-- oh and, this was more of an fglt question, i like to browse both threads.

side note: you can boot windows older than 8.0 from usb, it just requires a few extra steps. i first did it using xp. you had to modify the system registry hive to add the usb mass storage driver into the early boot driver list for it to work, and it was a bit quirky, but it worked.

>>106919529
Well I'm doing this because I need to access a raidxpert drive and I can't bother install it on linux because AMD really seems to obfuscate the whole process and there's no guarantee it'll work. So I figured I'll make a usb stick with windows which I can then install raidxpert on to access my old 2x ssd hardware raid0 partition.
Anyways I tried usb booting once already but it didn't work so I'm trying rufus now, I probably did something wrong earlier but whatever I have now rufus and my usb passthrough in qemu/virt-manager win 10 vm so I can write the stick with rufus.

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>>106919772
Slow but not too slow, so whatever I hope it just works.

>>106919968
as long as it works. i'm not really familiar with rufus as i moved to linux before that came along

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bros I'm scared

>>106920642
tried to update this shit but it keeps failing. not looking forward to another 2 hour update and i still have the windows.old. from last year. maybe is that the problem?
please help this retard. ffs fucking pajeets hang them from the highest tree

>>106920695
reroll but someone said trying the same thing hoping for a different outcome is insanity

>tfw win 10 pro
is it over?

they made the blue notification bubble permanent on the update icon, fuck

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>but it still shows that Your version of Windows has reach end of support
I dont get it

>>106920798
Just do the ESU thing

>>106914568
Shitty if you have a 4000/5000 card.
I still use 560.94 with my 3080Ti because every new driver seems to be even worse than the last one, especially crippling performance of older cards.
If the 3080Ti dies I'm going to use my backup 2070S, fuck buying overpriced garbage GPUs and fuck new gaymes.

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Command to check if you have Recall enabled, even if your machine doesn't have an NPU:

dism /online /get-featureinfo /featurename:recall

Command to disable it:

dism /online /disable-feature /featurename:recall

>>106920905
?? Let us see

>>106914359
Linux is the way forward.

>>106921410
What if Bill Gates secretly turns it back on and disables the command?

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jej
my wangblows 10 taskbar didn't show any programs after i debloated it and retarted my PC
i was on the verge to finally bite the bullet and install Mint and then all of the sudden it started working again

Anyone else having issues with search indexing recently? Keeps spiking my CPU randomly while trying to finish a backlog of ~2000 unindexed files. Am I able to turn off indexing without disabling the search function?

>>106921785
You can disable it, search will just work slower.
Better to just wait it out, it happens after updates usually.

What's the best way to backup up my C:\Users\anon folder to an external drive before nuking my current installation? I tried WSL with rsync but it fails with a bunch of files because of permission errors and illegal file names.

Can a kind anon post their protocol to debloat/de-telemtry their win10 ltsc install? So far I assume I first hwid register, then update 10 fully, then run whichever debloat script is best, then do gpu drivers. What does anon do? What script? Any minor details?

Anyone running 25H2 on unsupported hardware? I heard it might have slightly better performance/stability than 24H2, and 24H2 hasn't really given me problems (aside from feeling a little sluggish in some rare cases, but maybe it's because linux feels so fast on the desktop, which I also use). But Game and Software performance was good. So I'm guessing 25H2 will be more of the same or slightly better?

Is anyone else worried Microsoft might purposefully fuck up and slow W10 in the future security updates? I've seen so many posts already about the last update bricking their PC or suddenly using alot more ram than it should, starting to look foward towards InControl.

>>106922180
so regular Mac experience?

>>106919355
>and just keep default Windows drivers
I need Realtek drivers because of multi-streaming and equalizer.

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>>106922180
>I've seen so many posts already about the last update bricking their PC or suddenly using alot more ram than it should
Where? I've seen nothing of the sort

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>>106922216
Then you might want to try https://github.com/pal1000/Realtek-UAD-generic
Alternatively get a driver from your motherboard/laptop vendor for your specific hardware or use Snappy Driver Installer Origin to get the correct driver.

>>106922339
>https://github.com/pal1000/Realtek-UAD-generic
This seems to work, I just need to get the HP audio control panel manually (the generic Realtek one doesn't work).

>>106922310
Take it with a grain of salt if you wish, but on twitter. Some small-time streamer even had most of their pc fried, and frankly with the reputation MS has I wouldn't consider them bogging down W10 until everyone switched a far-too fetched idea.

>>106922310
Who dis

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>>106922462
Tina Pumpur, some Russian thot I used to be infatuated with

>>106922556
Thanks

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>>106922628
You're welcome

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>>106921445
it wont go away, i dont want windows 11 im not ready

>>106909667
>>106909687
well, you won't believe this. the problem was that i named the account "local" and windows wouldn't accept that. however instead of telling me it simply showed a "something went wrong" error without further explanation. I spent a whole day trying to understand why this shit wouldn't install on my machine.

>>106892316
Is there a way to switch to IoT LTSC from W10 Home 22H2? Preferably without a clean install and retaining files.

/g/entlemen, I have upgraded to Windows 10 IoT LTSC.

>>106923494
This section says how

https://massgrave.dev/windows10_eol

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>>106923545
Many thanks

>>106922116
Halp

>>106922116
>debloat
What do you want to remove?

>>106922116
>Can a kind anon post their protocol to debloat/de-telemtry their win10 ltsc install?
If you know what you are doing, then use this guide from Microsoft:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/manage-connections-from-windows-operating-system-components-to-microsoft-services
Microsaar Edge is the only major bloat on Win 10 LTSC. You can purge it from your system using this:
https://github.com/AveYo/fox/blob/main/Edge_Removal.bat

>>106924258
>>106924258
>>106924258