>>106895485
Once again first reply, I just broke this thread's hymen. Anyone else who posts after me is getting my sloppy seconds, my leftovers.

Just remember that the first reply is the most special reply and you'll never experience this thread the way I did and this thread will never feel the way it felt about me about you.

It's Over , you might as well just go post on Reddit and talk about how much of a "man" you are for replying on a thread that I pump and dumped. Have fun with my scraps, cucks

>>106895554
While youre busy fucking a woman like some gaybo I come for your exposed butthole.

I just added FEATURES="getbinpkg" to my /etc/portage/make.conf and then emerged @world

Bazzite is literally made by a Microsoft employee. Holy cringe!

>>106895754
>Linux wouldn't be a thing without Microsoft
Based. Can't wait for Windows to just become a Linux distro.

how's cosmic coming along?

>>106895657
It worked and now most packages are prebuilt binaries. Not all, but most, this is actually pretty cool because it still builds whatever prebuilt packages do not match my use flags. It's like the best of 2 worlds.

>>106895846
Worse usability than GNUstep

>>106895846
it's stable to daily drive, but it is rough around the edges. some convenience features are missing, some small bugs here and there (nothing critical or unrecoverable). gnome / kde right now are more polished, but i stick to cosmic, because i like how workspaces and window management work on it. i have a 2 weeks uptime session and it didn't observe any memory leaks.

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Btrfs
[Bocchi the rock file system]

>>106896161
I feel like a filesystem based on Bocchi would be really, really unreliable and break all the time.

My BTRFS subvolumes work just fine and I have a cron job that takes daily snapshots.

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>>106896180
>>106896227
Perhaps with some strengthening, it could become a solid foundation.

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I think I'm soon ready to make the install on real hardware. Just been honing my install process in a vm for a day or two.

What would be the best distro to put on an old laptop with 2GB of Ram and a Intel Celeron Dual Core T3300? (integrated graphics, not that it matters)
I've been thinking about AntiX but could it handle something heavier?

>>106896472
Look into Crunchbang++

>>106895846
still can't set the refresh rate up to the highest rate (maxed out at 85hz) in my machine

>>106895846
It's okay. Steam icon is invisible and there's no show desktop button on the taskbar which really sucks.

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510xx driver stolen from AUR with patches for 6.8
maybe I'll try to get the 515 driver patched and installed. every driver starting from 520 is gimped

>>106896472
Q4OS with TDE

>>106896479
>>106896618
Thanks /g/ros I'll test them out

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Installed the rpm fusion packages as described in the last thread, still having problems with the screen constantly turning black for a while. It doesnt happen if I have something maximized on the screen and it seems animations trigger this event.
I have a Ryzen 7 5800 X and a RTX 3070Ti.

today I try hyprland

>>106896642
Whatever you're describing is neither a nvidia problem or a Fedora problem. It's your setup problem. I doubt it's with software given that you installed fresh. Sounds like something is wrong with your hardware. You should probably look at logs if something is recorded there.

(Unless the nvidia drivers Fedora uses are much newer than the ones on Arch and nvidia introduces some new bug. I haven't tried Fedora in a while.)

>>106896642
disable animations. problem solved. close the thread.

>>106896642
Try disabling adaptive sync in the display settings

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Reporting in as a Windowsfag (still Win10) that's been making various breaches into Linux over the years (fucked with Ubuntu/Lubuntu on netbooks, have Mint on a Thinkpad). I'm going to make the jump pretty soon regardless because everything about Win11 is pissing me off, but the one thing that would have made me put up with it is the improved HDR support.
How is the state of HDR on Linux overall (namely Mint, but I'll take recs if another distro/branch handles it better)? I never really hear about it much, mainly just wanting it for when I play games and watch 4K shit on my C1 OLED

>>106897217
No HDR on mint. you want Arch, Cachy, Fedora with up to date KDE or something

>>106897243
Oh yeah I heard someone else mention Cachy recently since they made the jump. How intuitive is it vs. Mint? I don't mind learning how to get into the weeds, but I'd at least want a solid onboarding platform to get used to things first

>>106896375
You'll still need to reinstall 2-3 times before you can settle down. There is always something...

>>106897217
i think only kde and gnome support hdr on linux at the moment. desktop environments that mint support don't have yet hdr implemented.

>>106897267
You can try it on distrosea.com

>>106897217
>HDR
Mint is not a serious distro. You want something that ships with KDE. Cachy, Manjaro, Bazzite, Fedora, etc.

>>106897267
>How intuitive is it vs. Mint?
KDE is like Cinnamon if it wasn't stuck in 2008. It's equally intuitive, just more feature rich and customizable.

I like GNOME and donate 10 bux a month to the GNOME Foundation

>>106897510
ebussy is pleased

>>106897217
I'm on Kubuntu, switched from windows a month ago, and HDR in games at least is just two steam launch options for me. I don't watch movies so idk how HDR is with those.

>>106897067
It still happens on other programs like games. It just tends to not happening when my browser window is maximised or I'm scrolling down.
>>106897059
Ran/runs fine when booting into Windows. Where would I find these logs?
>>106897159
I can't find adaptive sync in display configuration (KDE).
Note that none of this causes the display to disconnect. It just displays black. Nothing else. It also disables the menu settings menu of the monitor itself, the one that you navigate with the buttons on the monitor.

>>106897846
>just tends to not happening when my browser window is maximised or I'm scrolling down.
keep your browser constantly maximized in background and create a script that's constantly scrolling down. problem solved. /thread

>>106897846
>can't find adaptive sync in display configuration
it's called VRR or variable refresh rate. you would've seen it there if your monitor supported it, so that's not the main issue. can't help you out much since I don't have nvidia hardware, but if you're stuck for too long just get a distro that has nvidia support ootb. aurora is basically just a preconfigured fedora and your immediate replacement if you really want a fedora distro. either that or nobara which is less stable. or just go with ubuntu/kubuntu 25.10 instead, it has good nvidia support.

>>106897846
I think I solved it. While fiddling with the display settings I set the refresh rate from the 143.91Hz it is set at by default to 120Hz. It hasn't happened since.
Possibly the refresh demands to the monitor was just too much and it gave out.

>>106898033
>143.91Hz
Does Wayland really? Anon this means that you've paid for a 144Hz monitor and you're only getting 120Hz.

>>106898083
Well it gives me only 3 options. 59, 120 and 143

>>106895485
>ubuntu
How do you anons monitor cpu temps? I tried lm-sensors. but it can't detect anything on my new pc (amd 9600x).

>>106898188
https://github.com/pat-lin-wiwynn/zenpower3

>>106895754
That explains why that schizo shills it so hard while shitting on every other distro

>>106898209
How do you people even keep track of git/manually compiled install?
People say to use the package manager but there are so many things that aren't there.

>>106898248
Download and install it again if it stops working after an upgrade.

>>106897325
>muh HDR
Literal fucking snakeoil

>>106898336
>I don't care about this so nobody should
yeah, ok

>>106898354
The literal snakeoil that barely works outside of literal slop shit is not reason enough for whether or not something is a serious distro

anoyone using qubes as their daily driver for dev work? i'm pleasantly surprised how performant it is, and generally the ux has been decent, but getting my dev environments working is just so fucking painful.

>>106898083
Turns out hardware vendors often round up in lieu of giving autismally correct figures

i want to format one of my ntfs drives
is it
>delete fstab entry
>get gparted?
>format ext4
>get new uuid and add to fstab
>mount drive
?

>>106898386
>mint shill spilling his autism

>>106898546
Where's the mint shilling?

>>106898539
>unmount
>format
>muck around

>>106898424
Maybe that's by design? Use another distro or something something distrobox idk

Does CachyOS create btrfs snapper thingies ootb?

>>106898879
no

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>>106898539
what the hell is this
are the feds trying to get me?

>>106898892
Booo
Opensus it is then

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>>106898336
>he doesn't own an OLED

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>>106898893
are you new to computers? it serves the same purpose as FOUND.000 in windows
the only difference is ext4 creates it immediately, not just when it's first used.

>>106898991
OLED for desktop use is suicide. You'll be replacing it every 3-5 years.

>>106898879
it does if you select limine

>>106898991
I like readable text and good color rendition, so no

>If you install Steam on Fedora, Ubuntu etc. after running it installs a bunch of 32 bit packages and doing dnf or apt uninstall of steam leaves those, marked as manually installed and doesn't remove them. So you're left guessing which orphaned dependencies it left over.
>Doesn't happen on Arch. Pacman gets rid of those as well
Is this true?

>>106899000
ahhh i see
i thought it was blocking steam from creating its folder but i actually didnt have write permission for some reason
fixed it now tho

Is there any cli tool to generate HTML with low overhead?
maybe with an interface like this

html prelude # inserts html and head tags
echo Heading | html h1
echo csv_data | html table 
echo text | html para
html epilogue # </body></html>

>>106899181
lol yea, when you format a volume it's owned by root by default. didn't realise you were having trouble with that

>>106897846
>Ran/runs fine when booting into Windows
Screen turning black can be a link training / bandwidth issue or cable issue. Linux is a bit more stricter than Windows.

>>106899202
Write a program to do this. Pick a language you like and use one of the various streaming parsers for it.

>>106899202
emacs org-mode does this and you actually can code it instead of doing it like that.

Ive build myself a new PC and wanted to give Linux a try for the first time.
I primarily use it for watching movies and gaming so from what ive read Bazzite should be a nice fit.
Or is there anything else you would reccomend?
Also, what antivirus do you guys use when u dont have access to windows defender? Ive heard Kapsersky is supposedly pretty good and the main concern is only that its russian.

any of u ever mess with kvm/qemu?
thinking of trying to use them to set up a windows vm this weekend

>>106899646
unless you're trying to play with passthrough, there is literally nothing to mess with. it's so easy and good out of the box.

some years ago I used ubuntu LTS as a daily driver laptop. I was always having to fix random shit that broke, restart audio, and a lot of other problems. Before that I played around with arch but I am way too old for that now. What's a modern distro that Just Works out of the proverbial box?

>>106899660
passthrough actually is what I wanted to do lol
but good to know

>>106899724
Linux Mint seems to be pretty good so far. It resembles a real operating system with unified look and package manager etc.
Much better experience than Arch-cuckold Linux. Maybe that's because I'm not unemployed.

>>106899724
The audio situation is way better now that we have pipewire
>modern distro that Just Works
Fedora or Arch, Mint is cool too if you don't mind older packages

>>106899606
>I primarily use it for watching movies and gaming so from what ive read Bazzite should be a nice fit.
>Or is there anything else you would reccomend?
Bazzite is fine. Just pick the KDE version instead of GNOME.
>what antivirus do you guys use when u dont have access to windows defender?
Almost nobody uses an AV on Linux. Linux software is generally sourced by your Linux distribution or by reputable software repositories. And to fuck up your system malware usually needs root access, which it won't have by default. Not to mention your distro of choice will primarily use Flatpak which isolates applications from your system and most of your user directory, similar to how Android/iOS apps would (are you running an AV on Android or iOS?). And your distro of choice is immutable, meaning malware needs to specifically target it if it wants to persist or permanently damage your system.
The risk of malware is very minimal compared to the risk of you randomly copying a meme terminal command which kills your OS when you run it with "sudo". Update your OS and apps once a month and you'll be fine. And don't run random shell scripts or commands as root/sudo.

>>106899724
Same as the anon above, install Bazzite, Aurora or Bluefin. The only "Just Works" distros which don't shit themselves after a year or two of updates. Or go with any Fedora Atomic distro, but afaik those require you to tinker around to enable proprietary drivers and codecs.

potential silly question but how do i update bios or check for bios updates on arch ?

>>106899150
Pretty sure both fedora and debian/ubuntu will remove packages that were pulled in as dependencies and werent manually asked to be installed.

>>106899150
Idk I use the steam snap or flatpaks

>>106899606
>>106899724
Use ubuntu or mint

>>106899646
They're easy to use if you use it through virt-manager

>>106899863
Installing those through your OS has never been a good idea. Go to your motherboard vendor's website and just download it and follow instructions.

>>106898879
I actually busted my cachy install trying to use that lmao. Definitely rtfm if you're gonna try setting snapper yourself.

>>106899903
>>106899863
Does arch not enable fwupdmgr? Just read up on that if you have a supported laptop. And then follow fwupdmgr instructions. My Dell updates automatically all the time.

Gentoo thinkpad, xorg. External displays work great when connected directly to the laptop port, but I got a USB-C dock and the display doesn't show up in xrandr when plugged into the dock.

Does anyone know what I need to configure/enable to make it work? I already had to enable a kernel module for USB networking when pluggin in ethernet through the dock, so I'm guessing this might be a similar situation.

>>106852044
Hey if you're still around thanks for the quick rundown

>>106899961
>automatic firmware updates
Yikes.

Is installing thunderbird esr bin from the aur safe?
It seems it uses mozilla's gpg key for validation and I don't see anything weird in the pkgbuild but I'm still paranoid about installing things from there.

>>106900101
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/thunderbird-esr-bin
this one?
hell no
read the comments

any good android app to control my linux mint from my android from bed? like a controller but also mousepad idk

>>106900155
moonlight

>>106900127
Yeah it's that.

>>106900091
My laptop is Ubuntu certified, so why worry?

I use LMDE, the most comfy just works distro for the lazy man.

>snapper
>timeshift
First time hearing about these, how do they compare to btrbk

>>106899150
It's false.
Also, this is not a concern on Ubuntu because Steam is a snap.

>>106899724
Kubuntu.

>>106896642
Check your screens, the DP/HDMI cables or any cable adapters you're using, had the same issues and it turned out to be a shitty DP to HDMI adpater

Reminder that bazzite is a meme distro that nobody actually uses no matter how much that fag tries to gaslight

The only thing keeping me in windows is Clip Studio Paint, if I switch would I be able to use it in some way? I saw there's something about getting wacom drivers working on linux.

>>106900360
Looks like you got lost, blud. You're going to be told to use Krita many times here.

>>106900360
>wacom drivers working on linux
there's opentabletdrivers but idk if it supports pressure sensitivity

>>106900360
you're probably talking about this
https://linuxwacom.github.io/

How do fonts for other languages/mathshit work on linux? If I install a font for latin text but then open some page with symbols or moon runes or whatever and my font doesn't have those it opens as unreadable squares. How do I fix that? If I install fonts for those symbols, but I don't want those fonts on everything, what do I do?

do people unironically not install proprietary codecs bc muh freetardism or are people just shitposting?

>>106900802
Noto cjk is used as fallback for cjk symbols if your current font does not have them. If that isn't installed, you'll get squares. For math symbols, install a nerd font or any that covers them.

>>106900818
I never install anything I don't need. In Fedora and OpenSUSE I just use Flatpaks for proprietary stuff instead of enabling third party repos because they're a security risk.

>>106900818
No. Distros based out of the US won't provide builds because civil liability exposure. Freetards may use inferior unencumbered codecs for distributing content, but they don't care about encumbered open source decoders.

idk how you fractional scaling using muddafuckas can stand this blurry text is there any remedy there? real eye sore coming from 100% scale. sometimes it's not so distracting and other times...

>>106901230
The Chad move is setting DPI to 112 in Xfce font settings instead.

>>106900828
Not that anon but actually interesting, moon runes never render for me and I don't really care too much but might as well install it if it's that easy to fix
Gentoo has two packages, "noto" and "noto-cjk", would you (or any other anon) happen to know whether it's worth installing the full "noto"? Is it just noto-cjk + normal latin script, or is there extra exotic stuff that's not in cjk and not in normal fonts either that would be worth having?

>>106901322
not a bad idea. if this is the future then the future needs to get its eyes checked i am 2 hours in and i've got a headache from reading this blurry mess. maybe it's worse on my machine for some reason

>>106901640
Idk how it is on Gentoo and what full noto all pulls there. So just try? Might be a lot of useless glyphs like Thai, Khmer, Georgian etc

For me noto-color-emoji, cjk and sans/serif are the important ones.

>>106895554
FPGP

>>106900802
Install Unifont. It's got the entire Unicode covered.
Your main font is not affected, Unifont will be a fallback.

>>106901640
I specifically remove and block Noto because it's a humongous pile of garbage, instead of being one-two fonts it actually is a group of 20-30 fonts and it's a pain to scroll past them every time I'm picking fonts.

>>106901788
Ew, thanks anon, unifont it is then

How can I make a program's window "click-throughable"? I'm using CAVA on Mint as a music visualizer along the bottom of the screen but this of course renders that part of the screen unusable if I need to click something.

Bros, been trying out linux for a while now, but there is just one retarded thing that keeps bugging me.
Where do installed stuff go?
I feel like a phone kid with this, not knowing what a file system is. I have multiple hard drives in my pee cee, and I have zero intuition as to how to get shit to install in certain drives.
On my windows OS, its pretty simple, and I kept C for windows, D for programs/games, E for movies and downloads etc.... Can I do something like this on linux, or I should stop turning it into a windows machine and learn the linux filesystem? (If the later, any good guide that explains what the fuck is going on?)

>>106902307
Linux doesn't really have a "program files" folder like Windows. Installed files are put where they "need to be" and kept separate, and this tends to result in folders that can only be described as a clusterfuck. Binaries go into the .bin folder, volatile files like configs go into .var, and libraries and dependencies go into .lib. I know it seems retarded compared to Windows keeping things reasonably organized, but Linux assumes you use the software manager to handle your programs and that the files wont be tampered with manually.

Programs installed outside of it however tend to go into /opt instead.

>or I should stop turning it into a windows machine and learn the linux filesystem?
Yeah a big part of switching OSs isn't just learning, but also unlearning. Especially things like keeping things updated, Microsoft really poisoned the well with automatic updates but there is far less to fear on Linux.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard

>>106902307
>Where do installed stuff go?
Some to /usr/bin, some to /opt, flatpak stuff goes to ~/.local/share/flatpak/ by default
>Can I do something like this on linux
Sure, you can mount the other drives wherever you want but
>how to get shit to install in certain drives
For native stuff I think you can only do this with flatpaks and appimages
>should stop turning it into a windows machine and learn the linux filesystem
Yes
https://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Filesystem-Hierarchy/html/index.html

>>106900127
What's wrong with the comments?

>>106903029
half the comments are about a key mismatch and the package also only has 5 updoots
i wouldnt use it

Any reason to user Arch withe KDE over Endeavour other than "learning" or bragging rights?

>>106896375
I like this wall, pls share.

time for the monthly arch update, some retarded electron app conflicts with another retarded electron app, the entire package tree breaks and firefox cant run anymore because some shared lib or whatever the fuck

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>>106903131
The only thing Endeavour had going for it was the easy installer and now archinstall mogs it

>>106903323
Stop using electron apps, ez
>firefox cant run anymore because some shared lib or whatever the fuck
That doesn't sound normal you sure you're not doing partial upgrades?

>>106903347
>Stop using electron apps, ez
i really wish, but the pacman log didnt show which software was conflicting, only that one nodejs version was conflicting with another

>That doesn't sound normal
well its normal enough that I saw it coming.
anyway fixed it by manually updating glibc and lib32-glibc, which surely means something else will break sooner or later but such is life

Arch. So I have two separate PS3 sixaxis controllers that I'm trying to get to use through bluetooth (one I know is first party brand, but they're both recognized devices I've seen). I've already got the controllers paired and trusted but they're only identifiable when plugged in. The instructions I'm reading says once you unplug them they should be usable through the bluetooth manager but I'm not able to find the controlelrs recognized by bluetooth, they only are recognized when plugged in via usb. Does anyone know where the problem might be?

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>>106903417
forgot pic

I'm done with Windows. I'm split between Arch and Debian, inclined towards Arch because it's backed by Valve and because I want to run a desktop not a server. Arch seems like the obvious option--why is stereotyped so much?

>>106903454
most control in exchange for the most to learn. Consider it an upfront cost, but like most all machines once you learn most everything you need for daily needs it's rare when you're confronted with something that needs to be researched to troubleshoot. It WILL happen, but that's just linux.

Does anyone have any experience making a live win10 environment on a USB/External HDD?

I'm implementing my laptops EC firmware and need to poke/prod it in a windows environment with the oem software; I don't want windows touching my UEFI or Linux partitions at all so I'd like to try this method for a temporary copy.

>>106903539
Is Windows To Go not a thing anymore?
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-10/deployment/windows-to-go/windows-to-go-overview

>>106903578
>>106903539
For firmware updating purposes though then something like WindowsPE or FreeDOS might be good enough.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/winpe-intro?view=windows-11

>>106903578
Perfect, this is exactly what I needed. Thank you!
Search engines just kept sending me to ai slop and shitty tutorials for installing windows.

>>106903583
I was considering Windows PE but I need a full fledged environment for running the oem software and debugging tools

>>106903539
I just installed it to an nvme drive in one of those cheapo usb cases. i was surprised it worked.

>>106903578
Windows To Go hasn't been a thing officially endorsed by MS since the 8 days but the boot USB making tool Rufus can install Windows to a USB device Windows To Go style still.

>>106903417
>>106903421
it should just work out of the box
maybe try sixpair

>>106903646
That's what I meant. I know Microsoft removed it but all of the infrastructure for it is still there as far as I know. You just have to know how to make the USB yourself.

How do I transfer files from my vps to my main machine?

>>106903674
Rsync or Scp

>>106903539
>>106903618
Might be worthwhile to mention, I'll be submitting a patch to github BeardOverflow/msi-ec to add support for MSI Stealth 14 Studio A13VF (14K1EMS1.108) once all is said and done.

>>106903650
Thanks. I had to go in to /etc/bluetooth/input.conf and adjust a few settings, so maybe it works OotB on some but not mine. I also noticed I was supposed to be asked for authorization on service_uuid and that never happened.

>>106903539
You can't do that, Microsoft specifically blocks that and wants you to use their PE system.

>>106903674
sshfs

I've been using Fedora KDE since yesterday. Got everything up and running but one of the folders on an NTFS drive seems to be corrupted. I don't have "permissions" to read any of the files in this folder, even though konsole shows that 777, ownership is correct, every other folder on the drive is readable except for this one. I tried ntfsfix, didn't work. What do

>>106903885
Boot a Windows Recovery environment and run the actual chkdsk and hope it can fix things.
Restore from backups if it can't.
Consider storing important data on a filesystem other than NTFS in the future.

Does ZorinOS seriously not have an OEM install mode?

So when I try to run the Fitgirl installer via Wine it says "access denied" no matter where I try to install it. So I've been copying the entire folder of the actual game straight onto the ext4 drive and then running it through Wine instead

Idk if it's a KDE issue or a Framework issue but my bluetooth headphone connects only for like 10 seconds before disconnecting. I have another device a Surface with GNOME installed and it works fine there.

>>106904122
What did you use if not ext4?

>>106898188

maybe run sensors-detect

I am trying to install arch on a Dell G3 3759. While installing, when I connect to the wifi, I get an error "ath10k_pci error of this agent is reported first" that floods the console. The internet works fine, but the error message keeps showing up.

What's the best standalone GUI file manager for you?

>>106904287
Both use the exact same libraries for this (mainly Bluez and they communicate with it over DBus). You could try using bluetoothctl though:

$ bluetoothctl
power on
agent on
default-agent
scan on
# wait for device to appear
# (You can tab-complete the MAC address here)
pair XXXX
connect XXXX

So Fedora KDE can't run ComfyUI with 32GB system RAM. I keep getting OOM system freezes and I am tired of cutting power and restarting. Looks like I'll have to upgrade to 64GB if I want to do low VRAM genning

>>106904768
just how much vram do you actually have? i do fine with 16GB of RAM and 12GB of vram. what parameters are you launching it with? are you using the tiled vae nodes? are you using that vae that has a memory leak problem instead of the optimized one?

>>106904787
10 vram. I increased swap space to 16GB, don't think its helping. Tiled vae offloaded to CPU so vaedecode isnt the problem, it's that the system RAM gets choked up after doing a Qwen gen, it can do one but then I'll probably have to restart the computer to make it do another gen. I'm thinking 64 system RAM might be a good bandaid because I don't want to buy a new GPU

>>106904872
The only real thing that matters with using SD is your graphic card's VRAM and overall core power. This is why the 3060 12GB is so popular with genners.

>>106904880
But are you using Qwen? I haven't tried Flux on linux yet but I suspect it will have similar problems. These models are too heavy for 10 VRAM but I was still able to run them well on Win10, but I guess that wont work on Fedora

so what's the difference between bazzide and aurora? both are atomic versions of fedora, aurora more of a daily driver and bazzine for gaymers - but does it only include the pre-installed stuff, or are there some actual differences beyond that?
I'm looking to switch to fedora as my daily driver (will have win10 on second SSD if needed) and I'm not quite sure what I should be going for. An atomic fedora distro with KDE seems to be the best fit to my know nothing self

>>106905033
Bazzite is focused on playing games while Aurora is just overall PC use, mainly.

>aurora
cooler name but full of gay shit like docker and container-centric nonsense
>bazzite
less headache on nvidia

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Urge anyone coming to Linux from the Windows 10 cluster fuck to look at the XFCE Fedora spin. Great experience so far, uncluttered, fast and easy to customise for a semi-windows feel.

GNOME was a horrid experience, everything was bulky, cluttered and the design choices of not letting you put shit on your desktop and easily add max/minimise buttons really fucked me off.

>>106905106
>that Settings window
Damn, that reminds of Mac OS X from my teenage years. Peak comfy.
t. early Zoomer

Somebody help. I'm tired of windows spying on me and wanna try Linux but I don't know how to command line anything. I can barely get ffmpeg to convert stuff and I think I have five versions of java. What distro do I use

>>106905300
Read the OP, its got actual useful advice in it, follow that first, come back with questions.

>>106905033
Atomic distros for single user are pointless busywork.
>but what if i mess something up
Learn to make snapshots with btrfs first thing. It's piss easy. Much easier than learning to make persistent system changes with ostree.

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Windows 10 is dead and I know fuck all about Linux.
I hear good things about CachyOS, should I just go for that? Was also considering Pop!_OS.
Almost went with Ubuntu until I learned about Snaps.

>>106905466
Cachy or Aurora. Look into either.

>>106898209
>zenpower
Not that anon, but thanks. I have a ThinkPad L15 AMD and this is the first time I've heard of this.

For fellow NixOSchads:

  boot.extraModulePackages = with config.boot.kernelPackages; [                                                                                                                                                                                 
    zenpower                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
  ];

You might have to blacklist k10temp too, but I haven't confirmed that yet.

>>106898209
Whose fork is that?
The AUR points to:
https://github.com/AliEmreSenel/zenpower3

>>106905466
What's wrong with Snaps?

>>106905689
Automatically update with no option to disable that
Not part of the normal filesystem

>>106905466
Do you know how to read? Install Fedora.
Don't know how to read? Mint.

>>106905694
>Automatically update with no option to disable that
They update like any other program.
>Not part of the normal filesystem
They are stored in /var/lib/snaps/snaps, so that's obviously wrong as well.

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>>106905674
Older version, it was the one that came up on my search engine.

>>106905714
Ah, fair enough. Thought I'd ask anyway. You need to be careful with all of the random forks of a kernel module, any one of them that shows up in a search engine that people might actually install accidentally could be malicious and a pozzed kernel module is basically the worst thing you could do to your system.

>>106905722
I'll be more careful linking things.
We got lucky this time.

>>106905711
You can't disable snaps autoupdating, as that's their only "feature".

>>106904553
Dolphin

>>106905033
Bazzite always ships the latest Mesa to improve gaming compatibility, mainly for Intel and AMD. Aurora uses whatever Fedora does. So Bazzite is currently on 25.2.x, while Aurora is on 25.1.x. If you're not a gamer this won't really matter much and at most you'll lose some recently implemented OpenGL/Vulkan features.
I'm not sure if there's anything else that's different other than Steam and Waydroid pre-installed and a couple of different pre-installed applications.

>>106905106
Xfce is good but I honestly prefer the winbaby theming and layout that Mint and Manjaro provide on their Xfce versions. Which is odd because I always move the panel to the top on KDE. Xfce just tickles my inner boomer I guess.

>>106905750
You can do

snap refresh --hold

to postpone updates.
Also you're dismissing features of snaps like
- better isolation compared to Flatpaks
- official snaps of various browser vendors and other large companies like Spotify
- the ability to have kernel snaps, and snaps for command line programs

The only real criticism from a freetard pov might be that the snap store itself is proprietary, i.e. owned and managed by canonical, while flathub is literally some GNOME Foundation offshoot and there are multiple flatpak stores available.

So hating snaps is a pure noob/midwit thing.

>>106905848
Name a reason besides schizo tinfoil that you need better isolation than flatpaks

>>106903454
>Arch
>backed by Valve
Source?

>>106905862
The enabling of proper browser sandboxing so malicious tabs won't steal your dad's bank data while he's browsing younghotteensluts.sexy without AdBlock, for example.

>>106905870
I mean you can glean that they at least put some money into Arch (and KDE) because SteamOS uses both.

>>106905870
Straight out of the horses mouth:
https://lists.archlinux.org/archives/list/arch-dev-public@lists.archlinux.org/thread/RIZSKIBDSLY4S5J2E2STNP5DH4XZGJMR/

>>106905848
>official snaps
This apparently doesn't matter to some people. At least to the loud anti-flatpak, anti-snap and anti-appimage minority. They'd rather have their distro distribute (unofficial) software versions than get software from the official source.
>snaps for command line programs
You can actually make Flatpak CLI tools. It's more gimmicky to do so compared to Snaps, but it is possible.
The thing is that almost nobody really cares. As a dev I've never used snaps for CLI or TUI tools since they've always been outdated or annoying to interact with. I'd actually rather just use an official install script, use homebrew or even use distrobox. Pretty much every dev I've worked with actively avoids snap packages. I assume it's just used by people who are in the Ubuntu/Canonical ecosystem.

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>>106900818
I use Ubuntu which comes with codecs. It just works.

>>106905848
>- official snaps of various browser vendors and other large companies like Spotify
The Flatpak version of Spotify is using the Snap sources as its upstream anyway. You will get the same version of Spotify with Flatpak.

It would be better if Spotify would maintain the Flatpak themselves though but there's no real need to when it's just a binary blob that needs fetching.

Hi GNU/Linux. What should we call linux now that they are replacing coreutils with Rust uutils? Should it be Rust/linux?
MIT license bre.

>>106905886
How likely is that to happen? A person using Linux while not using an adblock seems very unlikely by itself. Not to mention that anything bank related is behind 2FA and pretty much every bank allows you to reverse/cancel transactions.
>proper browser sandboxing
The browser sandboxing that's implemented in these browsers is an awkward workaround. It's up to them to redesign their sandbox, or up to the flatpak to request elevated permissions if the user feels like the security of their browser tabs are more important than the security of their whole operating system.

>>106905694
So... nothing wrong?

>>106906037
Better to be safe than sorry. Same reason I have set an admin password on my bios, use secure boot, encrypt my system and don't enable shady third party repos like the AUR.

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>>106895485
>Cosmic is shit
>Trannies ruin everything
>Trannies are Israelis all along
>A few posts and they come out in droves
the criminal jew larp is destroying the West and the internet and obviously 4chan.

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>>106905961
This, except Kubuntu for it's thumbnails in the filepicker and folder thumbnails.

>>106905886
>>106906087
I see your point, but it's not really the end of the world and it's not that black and white.
The Flatpak version of Firefox has all sandbox features except for "User Namespaces". And Chromium has been patched to implement browser sandboxing under Flatpak for years now.
The non-Flatpak versions of web browsers directly access your kernel to spawn processes, which itself can be dangerous. So with a non-Flatpak browser you're just replacing one "sandbox" workaround with another, while having an inherently less isolated and secure application overall.

>>106905934
snaps are exclusively used by people for whom snap is pre-installed on their distro. There's no desire outside of Ubuntu for anybody to use it when Flatpaks exist.

>>106906198
Flatpak itself directly accesses the kernel to apply its sandboxing. The reason they restrict applications from doing likewise is because Flatpak wants to be the arbiter. It doesn't want to grant more risky permissions to apps and would rather them go through Flatpak (or portals, etc) instead. That's how the sandbox was implemented in Chromium, and Firefox also uses the portals when ran under Flatpak (or manually enabled in about:config)

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Thank fuck I am on AMD.
https://blog.quarkslab.com/nvidia_gpu_kernel_vmalloc_exploit.html

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>>106906382
Wrong file fuck...

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>FOSS is less easily corrupted by hostile actors (israelis)
>It's safer because it's open source.

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Is Fedora actually decent and usable? I thought it's just a testing ground for Red Hat shit and thus things break regularly

>>106906519
It's kind of like Arch but at a slightly slower pace and with the kernel always rolling regardless.

at this point i wouldn't consider it, Red Hat and IBM are really trying to push AI garbage onto it

>>106906519
>>106906532
It's like Arch if you made Linux in the 1990s and still think it's the 1990s and have dialup. Their package manager is a curse and their installer is the worst. Linux overall needs to fix its corporate shit and keep Israel far, far away.

>>106906566
Dnf is not that bad as a package manager. Fedora's Anaconda installer is indeed garbage though but thankfully you only ever have to interact with it once. I don't think the installer alone is enough to put people off.

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>>106906583
>a non-bot poster appears
Dnf is fully functional, but incredible slow as compared to most main distros. Yes, the installer shouldn't put off most hobbyists. But, for most people it's not a good option.

>>106906605
They fixed the speed by re-writing it in C++:
https://github.com/rpm-software-management/dnf5

>>106906619
>C++
That'll fix it.

>>106906643
Spoiler: It didn't

>>106906619
>C++
Big mistake. Rust or C.

>>106906649
>RPM repositories (repomd)
Oh, boy...

dnf5 is plenty fast for me, and works a lot better than apt. Skill issue.

>>106906663
It has nothing to do with skill and more to do with network handling.

>>106906667
A slow network is also a skill issue

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This is not even a political meme, but once Germans become mostly non-White, then Linux and FOSS is literally in the toilet. Indians, Africans and Arabs cannot maintain things. It's probably what corporations want.

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>>106906675

newsflash: dnf is still slow, rpmfusion is still hard to install, anaconda is still garbage and you are still an unpaid beta tester. more at 6.

>>106906742
>hard to install
>literally just download an rpm and install using the command line
Newfags aren't gonna make it, are they?

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>>106906826
>jewish boomers unite
I hope you guys are at least paid well using Western (Germany and the US) tax money for inane posts and invasive browser exploits.

>>106906826
everyone was a newfag at some point. it's the people who piss and shit themselves at having to perform even the smallest post-install configuration that are not gonna make it.

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>>106906694
>Indians, Africans and Arabs cannot maintain things
Calibre is made by an Indian guy and it's a good piece of software

>>106906519
It's great, also the new installer is good. Wait until the 28th though, then Fedora 43 will be released. The current beta is lacking.

https://youtu.be/Me35cCPcDwY
They’re shilling Linux Mint on the news

>>106906742
rpmfusion shouldn't be used in any case. It doesn't have the same security standards like the main Fedora repos.

>>106906928
breaking news: community distros are still superior to corporate distros, while community repos are still inferior to main repos. more at 6.

>>106906955
Fedora is a community distro, though?!

>>106906519
Good:
- frequent updates, even between releases
- btrfs with compression as default, zram enabled
- has a ton of spins
- secure boot ootb

Bad:
- frequent updates, even between releases
- btrfs layout doesn't allow for snapper so gotta use different backup solutions
- needs codecs enabling if you need them (which filters brainlets hard)

is it better to use gamescope on x11 or wayland?
I have jagged lines I want to get rid of

Im experimenting with gaming on steam and I am running into some issues with timberborn (which has no native linux version). It has no option to hold down the mouse. Every click of the mouse is just one click. Considering it's a city sim, this is quite a bummer, since I cant drag roads, designate areas or demolish either.
Is this something with how linux handles mouse and can be fixed? Yes I did install steam-devices
There isnt exactly a vibrant timberborn community to ask, less so on linux.

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>>106907154
Oops, forgot to mention: Fedora 42 KDE.

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Really, OpenSSH?
Is this spam necessary?
https://www.openssh.com/pq.html

I get it, my server is theoretically vulnerable to spooks with a quantum computer. Don't care.

>>106906925
>it's real
ballmer punching air somewhere right now.

>>106907154
You already using proton experimental? Could try adding proton-ge.

>>106899606
>what antivirus do you guys use
that's still a thing in windows?

>>106907329
Most people just use Defender, but OEM computers that you get from Best Buy or something always includ a Norton or TrendMicro AV package to bloat up the price.

>>106895485
Do you guys know how could I check an AMD gpu under linux for issues or silicon degradation?
I've been having constant issues playing vidya on it, which I attributed to RADV being bad and switched to amdvlk, but I was playing yesterday some game and got the visuals of the game to crash with amdvlk on boot, and RADV worked fine until it crashed my computer while I finished a level and loaded into the overworld, so I'm starting to think there's something wrong with it.
It's a powercolor hellhound 7900 xtx, it has massive coil whine so there could be something about that.

>>106907414
Do you run an undervolt?
Run a linux native benchmark, like Superposition or Gravitymark. If it crashes there too you can rule out Wine/Proton issue.

If im using the uwsm version of hyprland. In theory, couldn't I skip having an autostart file and just use systemd services for everything that would be there?

>>106907316
How do I do that?
I just installed steam and experimental is what comes pre-installed. How do I use proton GE instead of experimental
Update: it works with other games via proton. So this might be a Timberborn issue.

>>106907085
Gamescope doesn't antialias by downscaling, see: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope/pull/740

>>106907455
>Do you run an undervolt?
No
I've tried the GravityMark for a while and hasn't crashed.
But thinking for a bit, maybe this is all related to using the cachyos zenver4 repos with the cachyos wine?
That would really make sense if they're using some unstable instruction or have a patch that's unstable on my gpu.

>>106905088
Regular fedora is better than both aside from rpmfusion

>>106906925
Ohnonono bazzite sisters...

Windows refugee here, Can someone enlighten me please about sudo vs. sudo-rs? I know the basics, it's a reimplementation of sudo in Rust, and as a regular user I should notice no difference. Yet I can't help but feel unease when trusted, working core tools are getting replaced by new ones written by """""modern developers""""". Experience usually shows it just turns into a disaster.

>>106906925
>random news channel recommending linux
we mainstream now

>>106907847
Which distros are actually replacing sudo with sudo-rs?
I wouldnt recommend using it due to possible bugs and other retarded issues rust programs have but if you want to avoid both you could switch to doas which is the true replacement for sudo but no distro aside from alpine want to make it the default.

>>106907847
They rewrote it to have a coporation friendly license. Now they can fork the project and close the source without giving anything back. Don't use it

>>106907847
eh, i would stick to distro defaults if you're not certain you know what you're doing.
i'm pretty neutral when it comes to rust. the concept is sound, but i would be careful replacing critical components with newly-written rust alternatives, because while rust does provide more guarantees regarding some specific potential security issues, that doesn't always trump old and battle-hardened code.
making a rust version of something means writing it anew, don't think it's the "exact same thing but with memory safety", it's not that simple

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>>106906925
My sicrit club. Time to install freebsd.

>>106907893
>Which distros are actually replacing sudo with sudo-rs?
Ubuntu is for sure, from what I've read possibly Fedora also in the future.
I'll read into doas too, thx, but so far had no issues with good old regular sudo either. It's good to have alternatives when more distros will start including sudo-rs by default.

>>106907895
this (and the weird rust bugs mentioned by the other anon) is exactly the type of bullshit I was expecting, thx for the tip

>>106888144
Oh my fucking god.
I did it with preloader now and I had the same issue, "invalid loader file"
I then realized that I didn't copy the fucking ext4 driver folder next to this copy of refind
now it works
I'm fucking retarded, i washed like 10 hours on this shit

what makes people cream themselves over ubuntu vs debian?
can someone give me an actual X; Y why should I pick one or the other

>>106907993
>people cream themselves over ubuntu vs debian
Nobody does that

>>106908011
i do
*creams you*

>>106907895
What's wrong with the original license?

>>106906925
Friendly Haiku General when?

>>106907904
I feel similarly, it's not really rust that I don't trust, more like the fact that it's a full rewrite by modern devs.

>>106908064
not corportate-friendly enough.
there seems to be a bit of a trend to write replacements for gpl programs in more permissive licenses like mit. a critical difference between the gpl and mit licenses is that gpl software /must/ provide free access to the source code in any copies or derivatives. mit however can be included in proprietary software with no source code included, even in modified copies, only requiring the license be included along with it.
basically, with gpl code it's "this code is gpl, here's the source code along with the changes we made to it", and with mit it's "this contains mit code, no you can't see it"

>>106908093
Why are you talking about the GPL?

>>106908103
i apologise if it looked like i suggested sudo specifically is gpl-licensed, i'm responding in a more general sense. sudo specifically already uses an mit-like license

Has anyone else noticed the recurring bug in Grafx2 of any version where the cursor just stops interacting with the buttons in general? This bug doesn't exist on Windows

>>106907278
I'm no expert on cryptography but this shit is lame.
At least it can be disabled easily while we wait for the first quantum computer to start working really soon now™.

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>>106907931
Go ahead.

>>106907048
Maybe I should just stick with Ubuntu. If I need newer software than what is available in Ubuntu's repos I can get it from Homebrew or Flathub or Snap or whatever. Also enabling zram is easy on Ubuntu. And if I want a different DE, they're in the repos.

anyone knows how to fix problems with the touchpad under linux? So I have an acer laptop (similar problems have been reported with lenovo), now here's what's wrong:

>under Ubunu, Mint and now under Debian the touchpad seems to work in the sense that you can move the cursor (buttons highlight if you hover over them); however no buttons seem to trigger any reaction. "clicking" via touchscreen works

>under knoppix live booting there was basically three stages: 1) doesn't work at all; 2) works poorly (movement and clicking has a significant lag); 3) work perfectly. Can't figure out which one of those gets assigned upon booting

>under Windows it works perfectly

So, I never had these problems with a touchpad, therefore I have zero experience. I'd also like to know how to gather info on hardware and loaded(or available) drivers regarding the touchpad. Any help appreciated.

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>>106908290
>touchpad
>buttons
>touchscreen
So... which of them isn't working and what kind of tests are you conducting? Focus on one thing at a time.

is there some easy exploit I can use to gain sudo rights on a linux from 2015? Took over a colleagues work and he never updated the system nor did he write down the password so I am stuck either using it or wiping the system. I rather not wipe it since there is lots of config others need.

>>106908320
touchscreen works fine as far as I can tell. touchscreen moves the cursor but doesn't react to any "clicks". By "buttons" I meant the touchpad input, no the keys. Those work fine for what I can tell.

I have a freshly installed Debian on the partition that formerly was (Ubuntu, formerly Mint). The only other accessable OS right now is the pre-installed Windows 10

>>106908283
Homebrew is mainly for mac i wouldn't suggest using it on linux especially when theres much better secondary package managers to use.

>>106908387
This is why you have IT support at your office.

>>106908290
You could try installing or uninstalling the synaptics driver package to see if that makes any difference
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Touchpad_Synaptics

>>106908387
chroot into the system from a live usb and change the root passoword

>>106908387
Yes, chroot.

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>>106905300
just do what i'm doing and run Mint in a virtual machine. Should give you plenty room to experiment with without having to commit to anything until you feel ready for it.
Speaking of which, anybody how to fix audio issues when playing youtube vids on Mint? For some reason it keeps getting all static-y whenever the volume rises. Don't know if it's something I can fix with some command lines or if I fucked-up when I set-up my VM.

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>use fedora on my laptop
>6h of battery under light load
>Swap back to windows to check
>14h of battery while watching videos

>>106908607
which governor did you use?

>>106908621
TLP

>>106908529
Most likely just a vm issue
You could try putting the system volume down it might not be able to handle it being too loud. It can also be related to the cpu.

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Is there a similarly minimal but local alternative to cheat.sh?
It's probably the tool I get most out of and I like that it just a curl away because typically I just need a quick example to remember how cli tool worked.
Does somebody know an alternative that is local and does not require any specific dependencies?
Most other similar tools I found do way more than I actually need or want.

>>106908414
I've got it on my Ubuntu machine already and it's good. Every package gets updated with the latest version I think, Ubuntu's repos. I don't need the latest version for everything, but if I do want the latest version, Homebrew often has it

touchpad man here.

In order to get to know the hardware better I installed libinput. Running the list-devices command told me that I have a Elan touchpad. Searching for problems brought me to this site https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=268508 where somebody complains about his touchpad running arch on a lenovo. Now, I didn't want to blindly follow the "solution" there because I don't fully understand what this elan_i2c module is, and whether it's also causing trouble here.
Instead I ran the debug-events option and while wildly clicking I realized that it actually does trigger an event. Even more: the touchpad keys are indeed working fine, only they require very hard pressure.

I was already thinking if maybe the contacts corroded, but then I realized that it's working fine under Windows. So I still don't know if this is caused by a faulty driver or maybe the pressure should be adjusted in a config file similar to the key input delays etc

>>106908414
>>106908791
>Every package gets updated with the latest version I think, Ubuntu's repos
I meant to say "unlike Ubuntu's repos"

>>106908798
Maybe try to play around with this
https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/touchpad-pressure-debugging.html#touchpad-pressure-hwdb
Libinput is retarded

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>>106895485
Alright, so I'm >>106886229 >>106880845 from the previous thread. I still don't know what exactly causes the problem, but I managed to "fix it" by installing another version of ffmpeg, the package "fmpeg4.4" to be specific. I guess it's a different but equally maintained version of ffmpeg? never heard of it but installing fixed all my problems. Maybe the original installation was corrupted or something, I don't know, even Audacity complained about it. Anyway it's fixed now so I'm closing this thread, mods please mark this thread as solved!
>>106900046
No problem, I also had issues with Timeshift/btrfs when first installing Arch back then.

>>106904366
>>106904541
>>106904541

>>106908770
tealdeer

>>106908971
Its an older version of ffmpeg because some software were never updated to be compatible with ffmpeg6 the current version. Don't think ffmpeg4 is still maintained it was just there for backwards compatibility

>>106909038
>tealdeer
Thanks I'll check it out

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>>106909055
>ffmpeg6 the current version.
maybe in debian

>>106909245
>maybe in debian
Nah im just bad at keeping track of stuff like this
I just remember there was some breakage between ffmpeg4 and ffmpeg5 and lost track after ffmpeg6

>>106909284
it's all good, yea, programs still need to be updated to support newer major versions of ffmpeg, i'm still on 7.x. hell i was on 6.x until just recently when my browser finally added support for 7

>>106908861
thanks, I'm gonna check this out later

i don't care about snapshots or shit like that, for a linux gaymen pc should i go for ext4 instead of btfrs?

>>106909445
Ext4 is better if you don't care for btrfs features

I've recently bought a laptop because I can't bring my desktop to give presentations at conferences and shit. I'm not putting up with Microsoft's bullshit on a second machine, and I think it would be nice to be able to run my code on multiple operating systems to check portability, so I want to install Linux on the laptop.

I've narrowed it down to either Mint or Fedora. I'm not considering any other distros. I don't need it to play games or anything like that. I haven't used Linux before, but I'm decent at a command line and have used Unix before (unwillingly). I'd rather not fuck around too much if I'm not getting any benefit for it, though. Avoiding bullshit and having things "just work" is why I'm not going with Windows in the first place.

Should I go with Mint or Fedora?

>>106909445
if you don't care then it doesn't matter

>>106909493
Do you prefet apt or dnf?

>>106909572
No preference. Like I said, I've never had a Linux machine.

>>106909609
Flip a coin.
I use mint and arch but ultimately it doesn't matter.

>>106909493
Honestly either one will work fine for your purposes. I would just look into desktop environments and pick based on that. Mint only offers a few.
I'd personally go Fedora KDE.

>>106909493
i've never used mint and i haven't used fedora since core 5, but it'd probably help in general to state how you came to these options, like, some idea as to what about them interests you.
>>106909609
if you've never used linux, then your choice in distro isn't set in stone yet. it would be naïve to think it is

>no AUR package found for steam

huh?

>>106909694
Steam is in the official repos

>>106909694
why would you get it from the AUR when its in the official repo?

>>106909493
Go with mint

>>106909445
You should go for XFS because it wastes less space and reflink saves writes. The only use case for ext4 is filesystem level encryption.

>>106909808
why XFS?

>>106909684
Alright, here's the background.

Back in school, all my friends who were using Linux machines were on Ubuntu. Mind you, this was almost a decade ago, so while I was fine defaulting to Ubuntu, I wanted to check if that's still the de facto "use this if you're used to Windows but sick of its bullshit" distro.

A quick search for distros for desktop use came back with three names coming up most often: Ubuntu, Mint, and Fedora. I don't want to get super hardcore into the Linux world and community, I just want to avoid Microsoft's bullshit. So, going with anything but these three seemed like it would be a bit niche. While I know I could work through any issues that come up later, I just don't want to have to deal with the bullshit, so using whatever other people in my situation are using is a no-brainer.

Ubuntu and Mint seemed more similar so I compared them first. The impression I got was that Ubuntu is on the way out, and the best reason to use it over Mint is if you're already using it, which I'm not.

That narrowed it to Mint and Fedora. Comparisons make it seem like Fedora is the more "expert" option, but I'm not getting a clear picture on what kind of expertise is expected, how much it's necessary, and what benefits you get from it. I'm a computer scientist, but I've never had a Linux machine, so does that make me an expert? I can sort through the issues, but I'm not clear on what benefits that gives me.

>>106909902
i'm not sure i'd describe fedora as "expert", instead i'd say "professional", like at least last i checked, it, like mint, is not targeting people specifically familiar with linux, but it is used in professional environments, while mint is, also last i checked, was aimed at home users

>>106909902
There are 3 main distros: Arch, Debian, and Fedora. If you're using one of those, you're going to have to decide what desktop environment, software, etc. you want to use on your own, so one might consider those more "expert" options.
There are more user friendly options where someone has packaged everything together for you like Ubuntu/Mint (Debian-based), Nobara/Bazzite (Fedora-based), CachyOS/EndeavorOS (Arch-based), etc. If you want your system to "just work", one of those will probably be better for you.

what is the deal with toolkits (gtk, qt, etc)?
why do you need a toolkit to build a desktop environment?
why don't window managers need one?
do software makers have to compile their software with one of the toolkits to have buttons?
can you even have themes without the toolkit?

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Alright, just going to make the post even though I'll probably ask dipshit questions, but I'm starting from zero here. I'm going to make the jump to Linux for obvious reasons and I've been wanting to for a while anyways. I have a Steam Deck and I've fucked around in Desktop mode a bit, so that's my whole experience with Linux itself, not even m+kb but enough to have some basic console/flatpak/etc. experience.

For most of my PC use it's about
>50% web browsing/watching videos, media storage and playback
>35% games, mostly older ones, not a lot of AAA
>15% audio recording/cutting, minor game modding/file fuckery, some video editing, etc.

So Bazzite seems to fit that since I'm mostly worried about drivers/hardware compat and games just werking, least friction for my usecase. I'm going to try Rufus to boot it from a USB first and fuck around a bit before fully installing it on a drive (Have a new 4TB SSD to replace my Windows boot). Is there any real requirement for that flash drive or something I should look out for on that? Don't intend it to be a truly long-term solution but figured I'd ask.

I'll keep my old Win10 on my current SSD and swap it to another slot. Be the first time I actually attempt dual booting, have a visual bios system so should be easy to swap them if I have to. Is it that easy or anything to watch for/smooth that? I'm also more concerned on file format for the drive. I know trying to set up/transfer stuff to my Deck I ran into issues with the NTFS windows just not recognizing it; should I just be able to read my old NTFS drives straight in Linux and go from there?

Finally, there a good basic "starting point" to read up on Linux basics? Stuff like commands, distro differences, etc. Obviously the OP, and I don't have an issue reading documentation, but didn't know where to start. For instance, on the babby guide, no clue what dpkg, rpm, pacman differences are. I assume something about package installation but don't know choosable differences.

>>106910336
>why do you need a toolkit to build a desktop environment?
You don't. Why do they use one? Consistency because they ship a suite of applications and want them to look and function alike. This requires some sort of framework to follow.
>Why don't window managers need one?
A window manager doesn't include any applications. It just does window management.
>do software makers have to compile their software with one of the toolkits to have buttons?
No. You can raw-dog Xlib if you like.
>can you even have themes without the toolkit?
You can change colours and fonts via Xresources, etc, or have themes configured at compile time ala Suckless utilities.

what do you guys think is more retard proof for my dad's computer? he is not tech illiterate but I don't want him to install any malware crap anymore. I was thinking about cinnamon or kde/plasma probably mint or fedora

>>106908148
>while we wait for the first quantum computer
... that's the point, to have better quantum computer-resistant crypto NOW so it won't be broken straight away in the (near?) future. All encryption, without exception, is a game of delaying a potential break until the data being concealed is no longer relevant or of consequence. Nothing is unbreakable, the longer the delay, the better the crypto.

>>106909902
>Comparisons make it seem like Fedora is the more "expert" option, but I'm not getting a clear picture on what kind of expertise is expected
This means absolutely nothing. Fedora is a normal mainstream distro. Mint is actually more fringe as they maintain their own desktop environment.

>>106910344
>light_gun.webm
I know that's VR but the fag that made it clearly doesn't understand how light guns work.

>>106902631
>>106902742
Appreciated, thanks bros!
For now I separated my two fast ssd into my / and /home, and mounted my slow ass HDD under /home/<username>/Storage.
Whats the consciousness around using flatpaks? Will need to go with them If I dont want to bloat my root with sudo installs too much.

>>106910411
Always mint

>>106910642
You're likely to never go beyond 30gb on your / partition even with tons of packages installed

>>106910668
Oh okay. I will use this setup normally and see where it goes then.

>>106910668
>You're likely to never go beyond 30gb on your / partition
i'm at 53gb and have nothing special installed

>>106910668
>>106910732
right ... you're correct, 42gb is my apache webroot which apparently is located in /var/www

need to note this down for next reinstall

>>106910668
my flatpaks alone are 16gb

>>106896375
I've installed this on my real system now, on a brand new NVMe.
>>106903275
It comes default in xfce4 on gentoo. It's an svg file, I cannot easily post it here and my system has no gimp or anything yet. I may post it later for you.

>>106903275
https://alexxcons.github.io/images/blogpost_7/Xfce-4.18_leaf_mouse.svg

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>>106910834
>>106910834
NEW

>>106910749
It used to be a common thing to also make a separate /var partition

>>106910750
Flatpaks should be installed as your user so that they get installed to home instead of system-wide in /var/lib/flatpak

>>106910946
good to know but i'm thinking more about moving webroot to /home it it's possible

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>>106910763
>>106910781
Thanks, I converted it to png.

>>106911009
Yeah it should be there's a few ways to do it but the easiest would just be to tell your webserver to use a directory on your /home partition as the webroot

>>106907581
>>106907316
No seriously, how do I install proton-ge?
I tried googling it, looking for it on steam or the KDE discover shop, nothing I can find.

>>106911541
Does protonup-qt still exist?

>>106911541
ProtonPlus is the easy way, check your repo, has a Flatpak if it's not in there