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>>106898597
More like classic gay edition

redpill me on colstag keybs

will buying a keyboard with hotswappable switches make it easier to replace switches that flake out?

>>106898722
Yes, unless bad hotswap sockets cause the flakiness, in which case it will be a neverending headache for you

>>106898628
The only proven usecase is improved balance while typing while standing.

>>106898832
so doesn't increase typing speed and comfort? for split ones?

>>106898628
Feels better to type on, simple as.

>>106899738
There really is no special keyboard type for typing speed. Some typing techniques can utilize 60% boards, but world records have been set by Brazilians in mud huts using 10 dollar membrane keyboards they found in the trash.

And a split keyboard MIGHT be more comfortable for you specifically but there is no proven ergonomic benefit to a split keyboard.

Personality I think they are useful in gaming when you need more space for a mouse, and find their positional adaptability useful as heck. But find them no more comfortable than a normal keyboard and slightly discombobulating.

>>106898628
Looks cool. Let's be honest, the big appeal of split keyboards is that they look "futuristic".

I will never again buy an 1800 without a dedicated LED for the lock indicator. Adding even a single requirement when buying a keycap set, such as needing a windowed numlock, can make finding appropriate keycaps impossible when you already need, e.g., numpad nav sublegends

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I have a minor issue with my keyboard where the spacebar will sometimes double tap. This is inconvenient particularly when I play Scout in TF2 but is otherwise mostly ignorable. Is there anything I can do to fix this? It's not a recent thing so I don't think it's related to switch wear.

I'm also looking at getting some new keycaps but am having difficulty finding some I like, so I'm thinking of just getting generic pale grey or blank pure white - not beige, greige or milky white - ones. Is there a practical difference, including wear resistance, between a $10 set from Aliexpress and something from a Chinese vendor Kbdfans or KPRepublic? These PBTfans Beluga Whale ones look nice but I can't disentangle if that's due to the photography and presentation.

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>>106901716
I also like these but I need them to be Cherry profile as I already have the alphanumeric keys I need.

>>106901716
What keyboard and what switches?

>>106901728
bruh that's $150 for a keycap set. people pay that much?

>>106901748
MK870 and Durock T1
I would be open to getting different switches that are quieter, but I am quite happy with how these have been otherwise. As I'm typing this I notice that my frequently used WASD cluster keys feel like there's a bit less resistance when I press them. Maybe I need to replace them.

>>106901716
https://youtu.be/7HYXsZqpHrg

>>106901849
I would try putting a linear switch in the spacebar and see if that fixes it. Some boards are more susceptible to double-press problems for reasons which I struggle to understand; a tactile switch like the T1 will exacerbate that because it has more contact bounce (due to the way tactile bump loads up the leaf spring and makes for more forceful contact)

If e.g. a hyperglide black also has problems in the spacebar, then it's a serious problem.

is there a good guide/yt vid on building your own keyboard? i get the electrical concept, but taking apart my keychron q5 tells me there's a lot more going into it than the pcb, controller, and switches. i don't understand what all this foam is for.

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I open this page every week hoping they'd adopt QMK

>>106902496
>is there a good guide/yt vid on building your own keyboard? i get the electrical concept, but taking apart my keychron q5 tells me there's a lot more going into it than the pcb, controller, and switches.
there's also diodes

>>106902496
Just watch an Alexotos stream or something. Or watch one of those cringe Hipyotech videos. They're lame, but they'll go over the basics pretty well.

why is there a polling rate? is it because of the matrix? why aren't they doing realtime keyboards? like have 80 GPIOs or smth with no mux

>>106902889
It's because of how USB works. Yes, there are interrupt-based keyboards, they use the PS/2 connector (which is largely deprecated nowadays).

>>106902821
pretty sure he means pcb design lol

>>106902902
could rs232 be used instead?

>>106902902
Amazing that we just accept superior tech becoming deprecated while lowest-common-denominator "good enough" tech takes its place.

>>106902496
it's pretty simple, I designed a 65%. usb, esd protection, some power filtering and micro. have enough GPIO (input) pins for rows/columns and a GPIO set as output for LEDs. and maybe a driver for the LEDs signal. and diodes.
I was more curious about DIY'ing a hall effect/tmr keyboard but I think I need a multiplexer and an ADC. RP2040 has a 12bit but probably 10bit in practice or smth. curious if enough for tmr. from what I've seen tmr is 0.01mm precision for 4mm travel which means 9bit should do it.

>>106903087 me
but don't think QMK supports the analog stuff

>>106903081
1000Hz polling is already overkill for a keyboard.

>>106902994
>rs232
Ok grandpa let's get you your meds.

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>>106902889
Because keyboards that do try to have polling rates use an MCU that scans the Bus at a certain speed. Typically most MCUs scan at 1 frame every 1 millisecond (this is limited by your USBs type most run at Full Speed.)

But more advanced keyboards like the wooting he80 scan at High Speeds, which allows them to scan the Bus every 125 microseconds. THE MCU then turns your input into a HID Interrupt OUT that your computer listens for and accepts as input.

>>106903118
Well yes, in a way even if you smashed your keyboard as fast as you could and could move your arms at the speed of sound you would have a hard time sending more than 50 reports every second.

But the real difference in reaction speed, 1000hz vs 8000hz is 850 microseconds, this turns in the a considerably quicker reaction speed over the span of 100 inputs.


But yeah if you were just typing you don't even need an MCU some sort of switch matrix could handle the 3 to 6 inputs you could possibly manage a second

ehh I got 67g switches feel kinda hard but fun, I might need to order blue ones and consooom even more

why no /g/ keyboard design?

>>106903342
Because Bad Dragon don't make keyboards

Pulled apart my keyboard to put bigger pads under the spacebar stabs; the 0.2mm pads quickly get squished down to where they're barely softer than bottoming out against the PCB. In future I think I'm going to default to 0.3mm stab pads on the spacebar, even if I'm not doing a silent build, just because the sound of the stem piece hitting the pcb is so unpleasant. 0.2mm seems to be ok for 2u stabs.

After 3 hours (total across 3 monkeytype sessions) of forcing myself to use left thumb exclusively for spacebar I still find myself gradually falling into exclusive use of my right thumb. At least I'm not using my index finger anymore...

I think I need to get a keyboard with a split spacebar and write some sort of program to put a couple of 'bars' on the screen that fill up, with a threshold for each, and if I use too much of one or the other thumb (I'll probably set it to prefer 60/30 right thumb to left) I'll exceed the threshold and disable that spacebar until I bring the balance back with the other one. In this way maybe I can teach myself to use both together, which I find very difficult to practice.

What's the best cheap board (let's say under $150 for the kit, I can supply my own switches/caps) with a split spacebar? It can be more expensive if it's really beautiful. Might be willing to try Neo Ergo type stuff, unsure. Not down for a split keyboard.

>>106905037
>60/30
Lol... I'm retarded

>>106901837
I'd love to pay less, but nobody's selling the same thing cheaper.

>>106905037
If you having trouble with your left hand and space.... you can do the forbidden technique *my Allah forgive me for typing this*


Of binding space to your capslock key.

Is it worth to go wooxe for gaming? (Cs2) right kow using keychron k6 and i do like it

>>106905904
I assume you mean wooting HE, then yes, easily the best cs2 keyboard ever made.

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>download kc60.hex for my keeb from via's site
>thought It can help with double-clicking switches
>flash my keeb using qmk with this firmware
>only few rows work now
>also there is nothing to cure double-clicking switches
>wtf
>want to reset it for flashing and older firmware
>remember that there is no button, only dip switch which does nothing at all
>had to disassemble it and short ICSP manually
Fuuuuuuuuuuu

>>106898531
well shit, anon. I've used Knights in both Intros and my Monsgeek and I've had no issue with it. If you used it in your Apple font keyboard, is it possible the wire is bent or if there's some hollow underneath that's making the backspace ping? It's a small key compared to the enter/shift/spacebar so QC can't be an issue, right?

>>106901716
Sounds like a case of loose stabilizers. Which keyboard is it?

>>106901837
/mkg/ is a safe space for keycap whales.

>>106901849
Oh those have clip-on stabilizers. Take the top apart and press the spacebar, going left to right with your finger. Do this with varying levels of force like gentle taps to full thwacks. Maybe you'll see the issue. I used to have this problem on my boomer Razer with the thinnest, wobbliest stabilizers possible so it may be just that.

>>106903278
Get a bunch and try them all out. Then you can whale out on the ones you like the most. I tried a bunch of HMX switches and I only really liked the Xinhai 62g (or whatever the heavy one is) and the FJ400/KD200.

I will take this opportunity to shill once more for the Ghost Dragons. They are spectacular switches for use with stabilizers.

>>106905037
Play FPS games and you'll become used to the left thumb on the spacebar.

>>106905037
why do you need to force yourself to use left thumb out of curiosity?

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My kingdom for Carbon R3 in CDATA

>>106906850
The F key has ACK below it. If I had these I would spam ACK in every board.

>>106906242
He's mentally ill, I guess. I never use left thumb spacebar. My thumb doesn't even go on the spacebar, it sits below it on the little ledge.

>>106906850
Imho, looks ugly.

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>>106898597
Got a K2HE for cheap just to try them out for gaming. They're decent, but damn does it feel weird to type in linears. Put on some cheap semi translucent green keycaps on em.

>>106901837
would love to not be a consoomer, but gotta consoom

>>106907913
was so close in getting one myself

>>106907977
It's fine, but you don't get a lot of options on switches (though if you're used to linears, then you're still good)
I got the ones with the nebula switches on them and they feel like butter for being stock lubed. Stabs are also pretty good.
It's gonna take me a while to get used to typing on it though.

>>106908057
did you play with the actuation point?
I don't like the compact 75% layout, that's what kept me from getting it. price was good, around 100 euro, but too crammed

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>buy brand new keyboard 1 year ago
>stabilizers rattle excessively
>anyway
>some days ago I decide to clean my keyboard
>remove keycaps
>clean keyboard
>hmmm maybe it's a good time to do the holee mod and relube the stabilizers
>remove the stabilizers
>they are covered in grease and to the point the pcb is stained
>clean the grease from the stabilizers with soap, water and toothbrash
>clean the grease from the pcb with iso alcohol
>I let the stabilizers dry for some days
>they are still covered in little grease
>fuck it I'm not gonna rewash them, I'm bored
>reassemble the keyboard
>somehow the rattle has stopped and keyboard sounds better in general

>>106908153
Rattle is caused by much more than just ungreased stabilizers. In some cases it can be something as simple as keycaps being too loose, or too tight. It can be from overlubing causing a high pitched noise when bottoming out. It can be from stabilizers that aren't seated fully (and sometimes not seating them fully can make them NOT rattle, too), it can be from unbalanced stab wires -- if you removed them it's possible you flip them the other way, perhaps that way is more even than the other side. It can be a lot of things.

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I use a simple dell wireless keyboard and with just 2 user-swappable batteries it lasts 3 years, and it's really reactive, no lag like many other keyboards I've tried. but it's too big. I'd love to go back to a compact mech keyboard but the wireless ones all last 1 to 3 months at best (not to mention they don't even bother giving an estimate most of the time) and they all have non-removable batteries too. boo

>>106908312
I don't think most people need wifi keyboard. more understandable for mouse as you move that bitch around like crazy but keyboard just sits on the desk and you maybe move it up or down a bit and that's it. for most people.

>>106905037
I don't think this will make you any faster. You probably won't ever injure your thumb either, it still does less than the index fingers and is stronger.

I have 64 WPM on 60s tests.

>>106907002
I will settle for Carbon from any other manufacturer as well. Missed the boat on this theme.

>>106909071
As I get older I stop caring about WPM, I'm a touch typer so I'm not a 40wpm slug but I don't need to speedrun arthritis by plapping across the keys like a speed fiend. I have stepped back from the abyss.

>>106909243
That's probably better in the long run. I couldn't even touch type numbers a few weeks ago and now I can do it and my general speed is also improving, but I'm obsessing over it and the progress is slow. I tell myself I will relax a bit once I reach 75.

Need some advice for buying for the first time
Mainly play shmups so consistent 1 frame inputs would be nice to have. Looks are not too important to me and I do not know much about keycaps (maybe they will get replaced later but it is not a priority)

> ~£70
>Uk
>Red/Linear
>ISO is preferable, but ANSI is not a dealbreaker
>75% and above, I want function keys
>Do not care about backlight
>Only membrane (G213 Currently)

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I love lubing so much

>>106906242
I want my hands to feel that the left thumb is available when my right hand is the busier of the two, e.g. if I'm typing something like "no opinion lol" which is 100% right hand I can relieve that hand a little with left hand spacebar. It's just about using my hands more fully to achieve a higher degree of typing comfort

>>106906213
You'd think so but it doesn't actually transfer like that.

>>106909275
Visualizing the word I'm typing and chaining that thought to the first letter of the next word helps me stay accurate and fast, especially with finger positioning. I don't use those data entry tier typing tests, I just type a speech like the Gettysburg address or a song's lyrics for a minute and that's more realistic for typing IRL where you're not just jotting down whatever you see on screen.

>>106909639
You will if you play shipment in mw3 and bunny hop like a clown manually, no matter where you spawn. Easiest thing in the world. Or just map the reload button to your spacebar and bully yourself into using your left thumb. This should be easy in a week or two of daily practice, there's no way it won't become a habit unless your keyboard is positioned in some weird way that makes it too high to use your left thumb over the spacebar.

Alternatively, start practicing this on a 40% tranny keyboard so it's much easier to get into the habit.

>>106909366
Probably your best bet is to spend a bit more and get this hall effect keychron with ISO UK layout:
https://www.keychron.uk/products/keychron-k2-he-wireless-magnetic-switch-custom-keyboard?variant=46328157831338

I tried looking around to see if there's any good stuff in UK but wasn't so successful. Even something like a V3 Max ISO breaks your budget significantly:
https://www.keychron.uk/products/keychron-v3-max-qmk-wireless-custom-mechanical-keyboard-iso-layout-collection?variant=46132506624170
So it ends up making more sense imo to spend the extra $30 for hall effect.

>>106909847
Thanks for the suggestions, I will most likely look around on ebay first to see if I can get a good deal before deciding to spend a bit more on the ones you provided.
Corsair keyboards seem to pop up a lot on there, are they any good? Most of them are over a decade old but I'm not sure if it makes too much of a difference.

>>106909654
>I just type a speech like the Gettysburg address or a song's lyrics for a minute and that's more realistic for typing IRL where you're not just jotting down whatever you see on screen.
I type long sections of things I intend to read or re-read. It's almost as good as reading, if you can type quickly enough; and it reinforces a more correct English style in my own typing. Ten hours' practice typing Dryden or Charles Lamb or Carlyle cannot but improve one's own choice of words when one takes to type something for himself, habituated as you inevitably become to typing things in their voice.

>>106909688
I have tens of thousands of hours' practice using my left thumb in video games. It doesn't transfer to typing. Here's some footage from the last time I played MW3: https://files.catbox.moe/3qnlqm.mp4

>Xinhai crossbars go snugly on keycaps
>needs normal pressure to snap in the hotswap sockets and they don't slide out like a bitch anymore
What the fuck. Did they fix the housing on the Xinhais in recent batches? It's thick, solid, TIGHT now.

>>106910203
Good for them if so.

>>106910188
That's a good strategy. And god it's so good to see someone else abuse the scarlet laser on the bas-p. But I don't know, you absolutely will develop a habit if you bully yourself into reaching over with your left thumb to press spacebar when typing. Slow and clumsy at first, but there's no way it won't feel second nature in a few weeks. But then again, if you're typing correctly and if it just works then there's no need to go through this.

>>106910188
(Please don't point out the disagreement of "one"/"you" in that last sentence, much as I deserve to have my nose rubbed in it....)

anyone got a tmr keyboard?

>>106910289
yeah I got a TMR... I got Too Much Resonance in my freakin Typface Monospace with those steel internal weights!

will this thread bully me if I buy a Unicomp? I really want a keyboard with a trackckit

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I tried some Nixies just now and they are the only switches from my 20+ collection that sounds like a genuine, crisp mouse click. Absolutely impressive.

>>106910347
Replace them with brass slabs or shove a few layers of mass loaded vinyl inside it. Maximum overkill.
>>106910517
Fuck no. Whatever clacks your board.

>>106910517
It bothers me how little room they made for it, the alterations to the keycaps look bad. Tex did a much better job at that imo

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This is only barely keyboard-related (doing DIY stuff) but I have to say... I don't know how I ever lived before ChatGPT, man. I'm bearish on "AGI" etc. but when I think of it like a new and better Google for finding out basic things I want to know (the sort of stuff "everyone knows but me") I start to think we're all underestimating how much this improves QoL

>>106910803
It's just contrarians being knobs about it. I use it all the time to get an idea on acoustic properties of different materials and which ones I should use together for the best results. Breddy gud stuff

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microcenter niggers, i have a question. i want a 75% keyboard, and their inland brand has an aluminum barebone but no wireless, or a tri mode barebone but plastic. what do? i don't think i need the wireless option, is aluminiums really that much better?

>>106910803
>ChatGPT is doing spaced em dashes now
It's so over. If it learns to do double hyphens it's even more over

>>106911122
If you haven't used aluminium before, you can't know if you're missing out or not. Best to get the plastic one, I know for a fact you'll have an easier time getting whatever sound you want out of it. I assume you don't have other options so this is the best choice.

>>106911122
>is aluminiums really that much better?
Only when it's well-done, imo. Cheap aluminum boards sometimes sound like shit. Also depends on what type of switch you're using, if clicky or silent I think plastic suits those better.

What are the real endgame keyboards that I should get? I don't want to hoard cheap boards, and I don't want to be like that retard with ten Kohakus. I find boards like Kohaku and other raffleshit to be hyped trash and I dismiss them immediately. I respect the Mode Sonnet for its beautiful cream/copper/maple look and the obvious top tier typing experience. I regret being a FUCKING RETARD who got into the hobby recently and thus missing out on the only three boards in this world that I positively covet (Petrichor Dolch/F1-8X V2 Raw/Constance Assam). Seriously, I wish I could whale the fuck out and get these three but even money can't get you these things anymore. Rant rant rant

hey /mkg/ i'd like a recommendation for a mechkey that has the colourway of a classic beige keyboard

looking for one that's TKL, hotswap, and has a plastic case (i don't care for metal keebs)

caveat is that i don't want 8bitdo or keychron

the novelkeys classic-tkl looks to be right up my alley but i was wondering if there were any other options as well

>>106911378
>>106911415
i'd specifically be using some kind of tactile panda type key, i have some panda knock offs and some outemu silicone dampened silent switches which means the case material wouldn't matter really at all. perhaps the wireless ability would suit me better.

AAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>106911466
https://ymdkey.com/products/gb-ncr-80-r2-vintage-mechanical-keyboard-kit?variant=39487470534717

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ouch this looks great

>>106911459
Anon just chill out all of those boards will enter production again eventually

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>>106911459
Class 104 soon.

>>106911568
Not a chance. They won't do that, ever. If they start new production runs for GBs they'll dilute their own brands and the whole FOMO appeal and future sales and basically lol
thanks for the copium but I know it's over. It's time to get a membrane board and resign myself to it.

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>>106911582
I respect the originality of the design but I'm a RETARD and I prefer SOLID COLORS ON TOP like the ah like the eheheehe the fucking boards I missed out on

>>106911662
Good news: you can still join the waitlist for...
https://www.norbauer.co/products/the-seneca

>>106911667
lol, lmao

>>106911674
Ok, fine, go ahead, miss out on this one too. I'm sure it won't hurt to remember that you gave up your shot at the only true endgame keyboard.

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Tis better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all. Come cheer up, my lads-AAAAAAAAA

>>106911667
Lubed Knight V4s > proprietary stab tax bullshit

Three S-tier keyboards launched and 100% fulfilled in less than A FUCKING YEAR
a cosmic joke
what a JOKE

>>106911647
imagine caring that much. you've been successfully programmed
>but you don't understand

>>106911667
wat

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>>106911667
Kek

>>106911758
The heart wants what it wants. I just sperg out so I can acknowledge it and then forget about it. But yeah when was the last time a keyboard like those I mentioned went into production again?

>>106911964
your heart is programmed to want that. but yeah whatever do what you want anon.

>>106911647
Dude I don't want to sound like a jaded hipster but literally just wait and keep an eye out. Keyboards of that quality come around yearly. You are trying to order highly customized products. I've been on a Kramer knife waiting list for 10 years and still have 5 years to go. Waiting a year isn't that bad for quality. Mess around with a cheap new HE keyboard or something if you must consoom so badly in the meantime

>>106911937
art hoe

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There's a gap in my Cycle8, is this normal or some QC fuckup?

>>106911990
Oh I'll wait. I'm over it now that I've bitched like a heartbroken schoolgirl in front of anons. I just want three more boards that sing to me, and then I'll have a total of seven to keep forever. Lucky Number Slevin.

>>106912033
What's with the foam?

>>106911990
any way to upgrade their PCBs with new tech? like the magnetic switches?

>>106912055
It's there by default. It hugs the border of the top, so it's just something to cover the microscopic gap when the case is snapped together.

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Oh look, another gap. Good thing they gave it a ball catch system, I'll have to mod this bitch all over.

>>106912096
O_o why does their usb controller have i2c daisy chain prongs on it

>>106912074
I haven't seen that in any build stream videos. You sure?

>>106904450
are these open source? looks like a fun project

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>>106912252
The actual case is yea. My fork for it is here. There are a number of fixes & improvements I've made to it.
https://github.com/carbonfet/dactyl-manuform

>>106912155
5:37 come on anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYpRoFngtOw

>>106912357
Ok, ok. I get it now. Was too small to see in most videos.

If they put that in to cover the gap, and it does, then I'd say the remaining bit of visible gap was intended.

>>106912120
It probably has something to do with the ribbon cable connector they have to slide into the PCB's header. I prefer it over the pogo prongs on the S100 so it's cool.

BTW you have to post it with the Hellas caps even if it ends up looking retarded (which we know it will)

>>106912377
Indeed. Look at the corner gaps on the Rock variant at 4:34, the intended design is clearly visible there. The USB-C gap OTOH has no reason, they should have used a washer around it (which I'll do like a total janny)

>>106912292
that some 0.6mm pcb or? why not flex pcb directly?

>>106912392
Of course I will. I intend to get some mileage out of those caps before I resign myself and replace it with British Racing Greens. I was born to glaze GMK.

>>106912419
Yea it's just thin FR4. Flex-PCB is more expensive, and totally unnecessary when regular FR4 can bend that much. That amount of curvature is nowhere near its limit by the way.

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PSA: place your keyboard over a sheet of MLV and trace-cut it with a blade. You'll get an instant keebmat with top tier functionality. I'll stack two more layers later and see if it affects the sound or typing experience in any way, like the tape mod does.

>>106912480
I see you went for col/row matrix + diodes. I was looking at the corne kicad project and it went for gpio to each key, but has less keys. was thinking of adding tmr chips under each switch but I'd have to go col/row + multiplexer for sensors. pins should be enough on rp2040 but not yet sure on how to implement the tmr shit. it's different from hall effect. the he sensors have enable line + analog out, can be switched on/off

>>106912513 me
but with tmr I could keep the regular switch sockets as well which is what would be best

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I mean they call it Peacock and it looks like teal in the promo picture but it's literally BRG. Idk what fucking studio lighting they use but I'm glad for the green, I didn't fancy trying to color match teal with the caps I got.

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>>106912513
Yea it's a regular switch matrix, mostly for switch compatibility & QMK compatibility. The same PCB can be trimmed for a 4x5 board (picrel has old green boards). Good luck trying to figure out the TMR shit.

>>106912569
It's a nice green, but I'd be pissed if I actually wanted that blue-ish teal.

>>106912583
Is it not the same as the one that Taeha got to show off during the GB period?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwKcqirmerQ

>>106912596
Wtf? Did I accidentally get the Aloe? Hahaha thank god I'm not stuck with teal

>>106912583
True! Seems color theory isn't always grounded in realiteal.

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Imagine if a coworker had this keyboard. That would be so fucking funny. They'd get a permanent nickname

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>>106912574
tmr switches have a sort of wheatstone bridge inside with differential output. still analog output but gotta deal with the differential signal. was curious what kinds of chips are inside a tmr keyboard.
hall effect should be doable without too much hassle but sensor gotta be right under the switch, so cannot have classic switches anymore, you can't make the hole in the middle in pcb.

>>106912664
Howard Roark tier. Call it Howie, it fits.

>>106912574
is that case 3d printed? doesn't look bad, also metal inserts.

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>look up Alexotos build stream of Bauer lite (translucent colorful 65%)
>he built it with silent tactiles with "not too mushy" bottom-out
>I built my Cannonkeys Photon (translucent colorful 65%) with Lichix Raw Silent tactiles

I think mine sounds 5% better though

>>106912574
>Good luck trying to figure out the TMR shit.
yeah so depends a lot on the sensor. wheatstone bridge needs an opamp, there's simpler single ended output tmr sensors, but no enable line, and also full digital SPI chips. early days, think no QMK support, no preferred sensor. don't think it's worth doing anything atm

Is there any way to buy doubleshot ABS capslock, numlock, and scroll lock keys that have a cherry style light indicator without buying a keycap set?

>>106912719
Yea it's 3D printed. The brass inserts are for durability, and they're only a few cents each. You'd be surprised at how some (very) expensive plastic cases cut that corner & don't use them.
>>106912813
Yea I figured it'd be fairly complicated to implement.

Is there any board/kit with these features?

-100% size
-ISO enter
-Long left shift (ANSI)

>>106912851
extensions/whatever. I use the BRG light bar lock keys on my verdant retro and it fits. Get any extensions of the same color scheme if the exact ones are unavailable and you'll make it work.

>>106912063
No. HE pcb is like a large electromagnetic sensor array that works entirely differently from the normal diode matrix

>>106912854
>Yea I figured it'd be fairly complicated to implement.
it's not really hard, it's doable, it's just not worth it I think. I'll wait it out until I see some commercial tmr designs, see what chips they use, sensor position, magnet polarity orientation in switches and shit like that. don't feel like experimenting with this atm

>>106912919
ye I know, I meant options to upgrade the PCB, offered by those manufacturers.

>>106912948
Kek anon lmao
And miss an opportunity to sell an entirely new keyboard to thirsty little slut consoomers? Hahahahaha

>>106912978
>thirsty little slut
don't twitch my stabilizers like that!

>>106912884
Almost any custom can do this, since they go for ansi/iso flexibility. But there aren't a lot of custom full-sizes right now. The Class 104 is coming up soon, but it'll be a bit expensive.

>>106912851
Why does it need to be abs? You're not gonna shine up caps lock, are you?

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I can scarcely bring myself to desecrate this beauty by clashing it within the top housing.

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Imagine snapping your PCB at both ends to install it.

>>106913018
UwU I hope your stabilizer is lubed and has a bespoke linkage >:F

>>106913258
Those are just the rails used for assembly, every PCB has those, though sometimes you'll have them snapped off and cleaned for you beforehand.

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La creatura...el ogro de verde e azul

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.

This is a really good keyboard though. I went without case foam and removed the battery cover and the foam inserts underneath it to get an idea of the raw sound, and it's so good. The stab keys are full on bass cannons and the alphas are loud and proud. No ping or unpleasant sounds anywhere. However, all the keys left of D are noticeably less energetic, and the alt/code/control keys sound dampened. I'll switch the caps for now and use it properly when my custom brass weights arrive.

>>106913415
Thank you for posting this. It was even funnier than I thought it would be

>>106913495
>removed the battery cover and the foam inserts underneath it
That's certainly unorthodox

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The Xinhais stayed in place mostly, but the Nixies...what a shitshow. I'm replacing them, fucking Cherry.

>>106913495
>However, all the keys left of D are noticeably less energetic
Pretty rare for a board to sound good on Q. The good news is that Q doesn't get pressed much

>>106913623
Lol? What the fuck happened here?

>>106912978
imagine paying hundreds of dollars for instant obsolete tech with no upgrade path

>>106913784
Nixies going off like popcorn even though I used my keycap puller correctly. Last time I used Xinhais, they flew off the board. This time they stayed put by and large. The top housing of the Nixies either flew off or the whole switch came out halfway. Absolutely terrible.

I can't look at the Hellas in the same way anymore. I'm gonna do a simple build with a Transition Lite later and give it away to my cousin for Christmas. Fuck this world, man.

>>106913898
Is the switch plate just too small or something? Do you have (good) calipers to measure the holes?

>>106913898
That honestly sounds like the plate is shit. I've never had such a thing happen with any cherry switch ever.

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>>106913939
Could be it. TDK explicitly said they made the Cycle8 for use with a PC plate. Maybe that's why the Xinhais didn't fly off this time. Oh well, time to move on from both Nixies and the Hellas.

>>106913924
Nope. I'll get good calipers and compare measurements with my S100 alu plate some other time.

>>106913624
Is there a reason for this? Aside from these keys being further away from the center. It wasn't just the Q, it was every key except Tab and Caps Lock.

>>106913971
If the plate was too small (in order to fit old xinhais) that would make it, if anything, impossible to inert the nixies.

"intended for PC" doesn't mean the other boards will have wrong-size holes, it just means the case design wasn't optimized around the sound of those plates.

don't be retarded.

>>106913996
>Is there a reason for this?
Yes, it's closer to the upper-left mounting point and the edge of the board.

>it was every key except Tab and Caps Lock.
Well yeah, tilde etc. is in the same boat. Shift shouldn't sound bad, if it does that's a design problem. If tab and caps lock sound good that's good, because they don't always.

>>106913996
I get what you're saying though. I picked Q not because it's special and unique but because it's sort of a threshold point. W generally sounds like the other alphas, Q sounds bad like escape. There's no special surprising confluence of forces at Q to make this happen, it's just closer to the edge, round by the corner, etc

>>106913999
I'm still numb from seeing Hellas on teal.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006199786303.html

how to protect dust hair and shit enter my new keyb? can this work?

>>106913415
>1.25 1.25 1.5
Obviously this is always possible but I've never seen anyone actually do it

Also here's my idea for keycaps
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005009709967122.html
Woulb be too Chinese for my tastes under normal circumstances (forced novelty enter...) but...

>>106914136
To me the most interesting thing about this is that in the third image they show how their flexible iso/ansi enter cluster protector would work over a BAEnter layout

>>106914220
fourth. mb

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>>106914175
GMK forever, brother. Thank you, GMK. I love you, GMK. I'm sorry you weren't my first choice for this build, GMK. I will buy five sets of Botanical R2 to make up for it.

>>106914311
You were very careful to choose lighting where it looks acceptable but I know for certain that in a less forgiving light the mismatch will be obvious.

>>106914317
(with that said... if the lighting is never less forgiving, then there will never be a mismatch.)

anyone copper plated their aluminium case? like diy?

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>I've never seen anyone actually do it
It always felt right for me on 7U spacebar builds. Feels nice man.

>>106914491
That looks much more like the blue-ish teal from the product images than the other pic.

>>106914370
This teal shape-shifts into green with my lights on, and it looks complementary in natural light like above. I'm safe from further horrors.

My 1989 Dell AT101W is finally dying, with some keys double-stroking and others needing to be almost stabbed to trigger even after a thorough cleaning.

$150
Merica
Quiet and tactile switches like Brown
ISO because it's what I'm used to
100%
No need for a backlight

>>106914497
The joys of anodized colors. Gives you way more leeway with caps.

>>106914522
>Gives you way more leeway with caps.
I've always felt it does the opposite, and makes any attempt to 'match' impossible, so that only complements work.

>>106914513
>full size ISO under $150
probably a keychron I guess, and leave some of the foam in.

>>106914541
I thought $150 was a reasonable upper bound. What can I get for $250?

That's also why I haven't touched my half life S100 again yet. TKD orange coating is a bitch to pair with different colored caps, and I don't want to throw in the towel by going with Jindo or Monochrome R2.
I've got SW Arctic/Antarctic/Classic Red and KKB COL/Poltergeist coming soon. I hope to surprise myself pleasantly again.

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>>106914370
Everything looks perfect under pitch black.

>>106914585
the more expensive Keychron, or Varmilo. And some gamer brands. Or a Cherry G80-3000. Honestly full-size is just sad right now

Custom boards tend to allow you to build ISO or ANSI, but there aren't any full-size keyboards running right now. Class 100 is coming soon but that will be $370+ just for the kit. The Intro S100 was a better deal but that came and went.

Vortex has an ISO 100%, but I've heard they're evil Chinese pricks if you have to make a return to them, probably wouldn't buy directly from them if I had a choice.
https://vortexgear.store/en-ca/products/multix-104-via

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>order keyboard parts from vendor 45 mins from my house
>postal service goes on strike
>vendor uses govt postal service
>2 weeks later
>all my other orders have arrived from all over the world because they used alternate shipping services
>the place 45mins from my house has still only 'created an electronic shipping label'

>>106914644
Vortex's reputation is the only reason I haven't bought the Model M SSK that my poor since forever. I'd love an IBM style board like that but I dunno.

>>106906174
Since when?

>>106914668
Syrupland? If so the strikes moved to rotating ones so it should at least start moving at some point.

>>106913108
I looked up the class 104, but couldn't find any renders or group buys

>>106915703
I've also got the rough specs of the whole board down:
-100%, ISO enter, ANSI left shift (as I've said)
-Side printed SA keycaps
-medium to light linear switches (been out of the game for some time)

>>106908123
Yes I did. Tremendously helps for me because I was used to tactile switches and I would keep my hands on the keyboard.
Funnily enough I bought just because it's a compact 75% (was using a 65% and hated it because I was playing old games) and it being a hall effect was just an extra thing for me
That and the design.

>>106913415
What is the name of the keycap set?

>>106914668
Ask him to doordash it lmaooo

>>106916287
ePBT Hellas

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>>106914615
you click what you kill

>>106917318
I hope Furya sees the light of day before Vinny gets too old. I loved the second movie idk why fags cried so much

>>106908194
>It can be a lot of things.
good to know

>had a mechanical razer keyboard for a few years
>finally shit the bed (it causes a power surge when plugged in, not fucking around with that)
>look at the razer store
>getting the same thing will cost over a hundred dollars now
>some of the keyboards are going for 200-300
so i figured you guys would know of a brand thats nearly the same exact thing but not branded as a "luxury item"
>a backlight, if not customizable a solid color.
>pressing num0 or ctrl wont restrict arrow key movements. left handed so i use arrow keys instead of wasd and the replacement i have has num0 only let one arrow key input apply
>a bit bulky, nothing "thin"
>preferably, the ability to rebind keys for games that dont support ctrl and num0. an unfortunate amount of older games have this problem.

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>>106914585
If you care about latest tech then top one is Keychron Q6 8KHz polling rate and TMR switches, but that isn't yet available and will be $300. But these drop in price for random deals.
For around $250 you can get the same Q6 but hall effect switches and only 1KHz polling rate. Both have metal case. And also black color versions.

>>106914513
>>106918471
But if you want ISO layout then probably just Q6 HE, it's right at $249.99
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-q6-he-qmk-wireless-custom-keyboard-iso-layout-collection

>>106915703
my bad it's actually called the class 100

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>>106918497
Or the harder to find K10 HE ISO layout
https://keychron.ca/products/keychron-k10-he-wireless-magnetic-switch-custom-keyboard-iso-layout-collection
Comes at around $150, has hall effect but plastic top/bottom and aluminium frame on the sides

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Hello saars

There were two holes for my switch. I put it in the left one first but then the keycap didnt fit. Tried placing it in the right but it wont fit/go down. Have used a lot of force already

Halp
Picrel molested pcb

>>106918631
>Have used a lot of force already
F

>>106918631
It looks like this only supports stepped caps lock, honestly I don't see the hole on the right you're talking about. Doesn't look large enough.

>>106918655
actually nvm I sort of see it. Is there a layer of foam there which is making it look like that?

>>106918655
The left hole was also small until i got the switch in. Just chinese shit i think

Do I just put the switch upside down? Wtf. Took it apart and looks like it possible

>100%
>solit/properly built
>black or gray
>no leds or weird stuff
>topre or other good switches
>obtainable
Where should I look at?

>>106918631
>>106918772
Ok i put up in upside down kek works now

>>106918772
Yeah that's how it usually works because the hotswap sockets can't fit right next to each other

>>106918777
Japan.

I have a mechanical keyboard at home (I think MX Brown switches) and I really like typing on it, and I don't care that it's a little loud.

But I want a new keyboard for the office and my first thought was to just buy a cheap wireless logitech normie keyboard because mechanicals are just too loud.

But maybe best to ask the experts instead, so here I am.
I type a lot more at work than in the office so I'd like a better feel.

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>ck980c got cancelled
Well that sucks

>>106919430
Silent switches are a thing

>>106919452
There was simply too many fucking options. It's like they thought it would have F1-8x sales volume.

I compiled a qmk firmware for my first build today and it's fascinating how you can just short some pins on the controller and it actually types stuff.

>>106920000
Sheeeit live and learn nice eggs

>>106919430
I recommend getting Lichix raw silent small bump tactiles. They're going to be significantly quieter than MX Browns but otherwise feel sorta similar, and they're quieter but not completely "silent" and mushy. I think Geon in South Korea is the only one who still has them though:
https://geon.works/products/raw-silent-switch?variant=43516367175843

Then get whatever sort of plastic Keychron is the right size for you I guess. This one's probably just fine:
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-k10-max-qmk-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?variant=42220422398041

Just make sure you get one of the hot-swappable ones. And I'd recommend removing some of the foam with these switches because it will sound better having a nice hollow keyboard case.

There are cheaper ways to do this of course but Lichix switches are really top-notch, they have a nice firm bottom-out, no spring ping, minimal stem wobble, very nice switches. I'm using them right now. I got the big-bump version and they're nice too but as an mx brown guy you might find them too tactile.

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There's something delightful about bottoming out on the game 1989 on this PC plate that I didn't feel before. Wonder which one I'll like the most when I test them with keycaps on and mounted in the board housing.

>>106920000
>it's fascinating how you can just short some pins on the controller and it actually types stuff.
Do... do you not know how digital inputs work or something?

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Any updates in the split keyboard space regarding HE switches?
Anything better than the boba4Uts yet?

>>106919452
Looks ass with the cannon logo and numbered unit on the top right. Just release the Petrichor again and stop shitting around with these 1800s.

>>106921147
How many times a day must you insist on proving your bad taste?

>>106921175
Potato, potato.

Imagine having a cannon with a product number beside it just to remind you that you're a CONSOOOOMER every time you look at it.

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Good morning HHKB sisters, how are we today knowing we have the best keyboard ever designed?

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is there a numpad like picrel but reversed layout for left hand? like enter on the left side?

Also, KKB Poltergeist > GMK Monarch. ABS is life, not GMK. Fuck PBT.

>>106921669
Just S, E and F keys keys? Pretty bold design, all that extra real estate for just 3 keys.

KKB C.O.L > GMK Oblivion V3.1.
We live in a DEMOCRACY and BY GOD I will remind GMK of it.

The Gatreon sea salt smoothies have a deeper thock to them than the Sonjas. Imagine that. Second only to the heavy Xinhais. The Kailh BCPs sound uniquely poppy but they feel lheld back without manual lubing. That's my weekend sorted. I love LYOOB

>>106921664
Take your stale outdated anti-branding anti-"consumerism" minimalism back to 2012 and also kill yourself while you're at it, too

>>106922692
There will be other keyboards to look forward to.

CONSOOOOM

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Does the color of a switch housing affect the backlight? For example, would this apply a purple tone to it when the keyboard is assembled with opaque keycaps on?

>>106923359
Yes, especially if the LED is underneath the switch (as it usually is these days).

BSUN'd

Wtf is this Magnus175 crap? It's priced to hell

>>106908806
Bro what the fuck are you talking about? I don't want a cable on my desk. Many people don't want cables on their desk. It can't get simpler than that and it shocks me you can't fathom that

>>106911647
The F1 X will 100% go back into production

>>106923683
steve jobs made this post

>>106923683
Yea instead you have a cable that you have to plug in periodically to charge the board, that's much better than not having to charge a battery at all.

>>106923683
Well get fucked retard

>>106923704
Was this better than the f18xv2?

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>>106923791
Oh no I have to charge my keyboard once every 2 weeks while I sleep what a huge imposition on my life

>>106923872
No, I will continue not to get fucked and continue having a total of 0 cables on my desk

>>106924148
>Oh no I have to charge my keyboard once every 2 weeks while I sleep what a huge imposition on my life
If you find plugging in the board every 2 weeks more convenient than plugging it in only once and never again, more power to you dude.

>>106924148
GOTTA RESPECT A MAN WHO KNOWS WHAT HE FUCKING WANTS OOOOYEAH

>>106924148
yeah I don't really like having wireless forced on everything. rubs me the wrong way. broadcasting my passwords all around me while depending on some shit hardware implementation that will have fuck knows how many exploits in two years from now.
also the battery is making me nervous, I don't want a fully charged battery nervous to go off few cm from my fingers. most people don't *need* wireless, they just convince themselves they do because it's more science fictioney

A wire is an elegant solution to a simple problem, with minimal downside. That minimal downside bothers a few people so much that they'll choose a bloated awkward solution instead. I don't agree with those people, but I understand them.

>>106924403
it will also be cheaper. no batter, no wifi chip, no wifi software development costs, no extra tooling on the cutouts for the fucking wireless switch, doesn't look like shit no matter how they implement that fucking switch. so there's designs and costs considerations as well. could very well be $10-$15 cheaper without wireless, if not more.

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>>106924195
Wireless isn't being put on everything because it is useless. I hate how you are insinuating it's just some marketing ploy that's mind controlling people into wanting Wireless products. I understand some grandpa argument about a keyboard not needing some confounded wireless doohicky but, mouses? Headphones? Get real a wireless mouse is objectively better in every possible way

Personality I use my desk for a lot of different things and do not want to deal with wires. I don't even have monitors on my desk.

>>106902533
I've got one of those coming tomorrow, hope I didn't fuck up.

>>106924623
Wireless is popular because dealing with wires and getting the mouse wire setup figured out requires certain spatial reasoning skills that the average consumer does not have.

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mechanical keyboard pleb here, I just ordered an aula F108 pro and a pack of gateron smoothie switches, heard a ton of praise for these, I hope its at least better than my razer blackwidow v3, this is a really solid keyboard, it still works... but i'm kinda sick of it and wanna try something different, owned non-linear (browns) switches before and they're not for me, i dont get the hype, especially since i game a lot, hope I don't mess up while hotswapping the keys or something

>>106924909
please consider:
https://clickclack.io/products/in-stock-sw-beige-keycap-set

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>>106924965
thanks for the suggestion looks good, i was looking into changing keycaps eventually too but cba rn since decent ones are expensive I already spent a lot on the gaterons n the keyboard (near 50$ for what they are), for now i went with the side print layout cause never owned such a keyboard it looks cool
don't cringe pls but are there any sites where u can get high quality keycap sets with some anime bitches on them? or where you can custom select which image you want on top of the keycaps? There are a ton of random sets like that on ali for 20-30$ but I assume they're not very good

>>106925007
You can get it done custom but I wouldn't trust it. You sure you can't just get the screen to display the anime girl you want?

>>106925016
you can do that with a gif but I was thinking of eventually owning a few different keycap sets and swapping occaissionaly just for variety, that's for the future though, i think aula stock should be double pcb (that's the gold standard right?) so they should sound okay at least

>>106925027
>double pcb
double PBT* mb

>>106924623
it's put in everything to sell more shit. more expensive headphones etc. I have my wired G502 for many years and no issues with the cable. I do not want the cognitive load to charge my shit or it doesn't work, and I do not like that that particular cognitive load is being forced on me+asks for more money (obviously since it's not fucking free tech).
you also cannot tell me what I fucking want you moron. not to me and not to anyone else. I didn't say they should be fully taken out, I said I want an option to NOT have that shit in my gear. atm it's forced on me in many products.

>>106925027
>>106925033
apparently my blackwidow v3 has ABS, and yeah they are a bit shiny after 3~ years, beyond pbt or abs idk the difference

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so whats the consensus on wrist rests?

>>106925144
Don't use them, your wrists should be floating and level while you're typing.

the keyboard I got is also wireless, and I've had wireless mice for ages they're great imo, superlight 2 lasts like almost a month with light use lmao, but not sure about keyboards, plugging in isn't the issue, I'm schizo about the battery deteriorating like it does in old laptops, for best battery health u should never use a wirelss keyboard 24/7 plugged right? Best to just let it discharge and keep charging up every 2 weeks or whatever how long they last? has anyone here used one with the same battery for more than 3 years? i assume its easy to diy replace these batteries on keyboards if it comes to that but idk, doing that shit wo a youtube tutorial is scary

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>>106924965
hold on... the black ones are ABS
I thought abs bad pbt better

>>106925361
You're not easily going to find good double shot white on black PBT keycaps. They're gonna cost a lot more if you do.

>abs bad
Sure, but that's far from the only variable that matters here. There's a reason people pay >$100 for the best abs keycaps like GMK CYL and Signature Plastics DCS.

>>106925507
apparently if you want RGB shinethrough as well, its hard to find PBT ones that offer that as well as ABS do... guess there's more nuance

>>106925507
>There's a reason people pay >$100 for the best abs keycaps like GMK CYL and Signature Plastics DCS.
I always thought it's about design and *feel* but they're for showcasing mostly, not daily heavy use.
as a poorfag I wouldn't touch ABS for daily driving. I could pay for a nice set but I want that mf to last me 10 years of heavy use without looking like shit

>>106925582
>10 years of heavy use
nigga I'm not gonna be looking the best after 10 years of heavy use at this point either let alone my keycaps, I'd be happy with like 3-4 years

some wear n tear gives em personality, but i guess it also depends on what kinda feel you want, PBT is more textured right, I've used ABS for ages now so i forgor

>>106925151
Keyboard batteries last even longer than mouse batteries from my experience and ive never had to replace one yet after like 5 years unlike mouse and headphone batteries

I think its because keyboards turn themselves off so often in wireless mode

>>106925044
Jesus anon is so fucking cringe im sure you are a big boy and no one can tell you what to do holy fuck

>>106925561
Shine through on ABS is a hack hehegeh because you can't notice abs shine if your keys are lit up like a Christmas tree

>>106925699
>wireless keyboard is good for your passwords
>sorry but everyone should be mandated obligatory wireless keyboards
>for no reason whatsoever
>all the cool people use it anon, only society rejects use cable
>jailtime if you caught with wired keyboard
>what, got something to hide?
>oy! got a loysens for those wired headphones?

>>106925746
Anon kek, your monitor sends a wireless recording of you 10 miles in all directions. Your router records you to an even greater degree than a camera can. Your HE keyboard constantly preforms an MRI on you. Your phone collects so much actual telemetry on you its a wonder medical grade equipment doest just plug into your phone

Its fucking OVER

>>106925805
that's...not how that works.
>Your HE keyboard constantly preforms an MRI on you
sensors do not emit anything, magnetic field from magnet in switch is affecting something in the sensor itself.
and this type of argument is retarded anyway
>might as well freely offer everything because some lab demonstrated it's technically possible under some ideal circumstances to tell something about something about something in your computer

Nice this thread is here, never visited the board but was just about to ask one question regarding mechanical keyboards.

Do you guys think it's still worth it? I'm using a shitty membrane keyboard right now but it was SO CHEAP and it does it's job alright. I bought a cheaper mechanical keyboard and one of the switches came out of the box already double-clicking or not clicking at all, so i returned it.
Another one i had endured a bit longer, but at the end i also ended up having issues out of nowhere. Like, i didn't spill anything on it, it didn't fall, nothing like that, some keys just stopped working.

My opinions on these types of keyboard kinda soured lately, feels like you pay a premium to get a product that, while nicer, will have problems in a 1 or 2.

>>106925841
Kek well if you want to be conspiratorial then why do you think "they" are pushing HE over TMR? Van eck phreaking is real and not some laboratory anomaly, same with radio attenuation. Even if you dont want to believe the HE mri theory you have to understand HE can be ease dropped on just as easily as wireless keyboards

>>106925875
nigga what, mechanical keyboards are more ubiquitious than ever, theres full size chinese models for like 30$ these days that are fully functional, you're talkin' bout it as if its like a niche thing still while I see more mech than ever to the point where they're sort of becoming the default literally everywhere except like offices that use 5$ dells, I'd suggest giving one of the mid range like 40-50$ models a try, maybe go to the store and try out which switch you like the most and pick it up, once you get used to it its great

>>106925875
>>106925938
also you clearly just got unlucky with the double clicking shit, never happened to me even with some A4 bloody 60% model for 20$

>>106925841
I should also mention, your wired keyboard isn't really that much more secure than a wireless keyboard. Your wire acts as an antenna if not highly insulated

>>106925875
If you want to eat on top of your keyboard, membranes are still GOATED

>>106925963
i do that all the time and only ever killed a mech by spilling soda

membranes are indestructible though, you can literally wash the membrane with water and dry and it'll just work, idk where the thing comes from that mechs are more durable, membranes literally can't be destroyed, its just trash to type on longterm

>>106925910
That's not how MRIs work but yes, even a simple magnetometer could potentially record your hall effect keystrokes from 10ish feet away