Why did /hpg/ die? Are headphones obsolete technology?
solved tech for almost 30 years
Most of the people who participate are regulars who all shill the same shit over and over.
>>106899990same can be said with all generals. we need to gas them all, systematically and comprehensively.
deprecated by >>>/g/iemg/
>>106899950>overpriced mediocre headphones with shit build quality that reddit and eceleb grifters constantly shill
>>106900106I got my HD6XX for $199, can't really complain at that price.
I don't need more
>>106899940People realized headphones make you bald.
>>106899940Headphones are too expensive for the jeets, spics and SEA monkeys that participate in generals. Look at /iemg/, it's just browns who buy $20 e-waste with Aliexpress coins
I still use my old sony monitor headphones and they're pretty good, I've had to replace the ear cushions because they fell apart so I got leather cushions, yeah I think I'm good for another decade I've got a few iems but the sound is still not as good no matter how expensive they are
>>106900068This>superior isolation>superior portability>superior performance>superior comfort>superior pricing>won't make you bald or dent your headIEMs for on the go and a pair of speakers at home is true endgame, there's no reason for headpos to exist anymore
>>106900757wait until you unlock iem + subwoofer tech. true endgame.
>>106899940Headphones objectively sound better than any hi-fi speaker setup. Audiophiles can seethe all they want and it won't change a damn thing.My ksc75s that cost 20 dollars plugged into my onboard dac sound better than their 5,000 dollar speakers LMAO.
>>106900757>>won't make you bald or dent your headHoly mother of retard
>>106900797t. bald and dented
>>106901176That's not bald, just shaved. Mulattos often have thick hair and it grows like some sort of grass.
>>106900789>5,000 dollar speakersYou need $5K in room treatment too (and several more subwoofers because deep bass reflections are basically untreatable).
>>106900789>>106901226Objectively doesn't sound better than $100 speakers + room EQ. Headphones have no bass to speak of so no subwoofer necessary to btfo headphones. Seriously, headphone niggas, get yourself some real bookshelf speakers, even edifiers will do, put them so that their tweeter is at your ear level and listen. It is nothing like listening to PC speakers, boomboxes, soundbars, and listening to speakers at expos. When it's your own room and speakers are placed as intended real magic happens - speakers disappear and music just plays in front of you.
>>106901213>that widow's peakMan simply knows it's already over.
>>106901338>room EQCan't fix nulls and only works properly if your head is clamped in position like in A Clockwork Orange. Nobody posting on /g/ can afford a loudspeaker + treated listening room setup anywhere close to as good as cheap planar headphones or IEMs.
>>106901433Good at 1 position vs shit at all positions. Decisions...
>>106901383You wear headset on your forehead?
>>106901338>muh bassAs soon as you hear someone critiquing sound with "muh bass" there is a 99% chance they don't know wtf they are talking about.>Yo man listen to my speakers, listen to that bass! >My headphones sound great, they have deep bass!>I should by these earbuds because the reviews say they have good bass! >These headphones don't sound so great, they bass isn't deep enough.>bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass bass
>>106901605Bass gets all the attention because it's so technically difficult. E.g. listen to the tremolo bass part in Untold - Walk Through Walls (starting around 2:17):https://untoldhemlock.bandcamp.com/album/hek001-yukon-walk-through-wallsMost loudspeaker systems can't reproduce this correctly.
>>106901605TRVKE Wakanda rekt
>>106901662Nigger please. Bass is the simplest frequency to get right by far and it's not even close. You bass faggots usually have horrible setups because you're always chasing bass at the expensive of the rest of the frequency response. Please unlearn everything you think you know and listen to a flat frequency response for a while.
>>106901699Most transducers can't even play it undistorted lol. And getting bass right in a room? Good luck.
>>106901699Ok let me just get a loudspeaker that is flat to 20Hz.
>>106901711Nigger PLEASE. The low frequencies blow through shit, they are the least affected by the room. Bass is so easy to get right that if you want a little sub bass you throw a subwoofer somewhere (that interprets a mono signal) and call it a day. Low frequencies just blow through shit, that's why when you hear music from another room, house, or car you don't hear the higher frequencies, but the lower ones.Bass is so overrated because it's so physical and noticeable, but it's not where the crispy detail is. People go chasing after bass and muddy everything up, then call it "warm" or some disgusting translation for terrible to anyone who knows decent sound.Want a normie to like a pair of terrible speakers or headphones? Give it them much bass, they'll sell like hotcakes.
>>106900757open back headphones are better for long sessions
i stopped compulsively attacking everyone for 80 posts every thread
>>106901797Bass forms standing waves inside the room, no matter how flat your speakers are. Even moving a couple of inches changes the bass drastically while not changing other frequencies much. It's basically impossible to have flat bass with just the speakers, you need at least 1 sunflower for 1 listening position and multiple subwoofers if multiple people are listening.
>>106901848*1 subwooferFucking autocorrect lmao.
>>106901848Headphones bro. That's the best listening experience, hands down.>>106901858Too late, you said sunflower. What did you mean by this? Tell me what you meant because you meant it when you said it and now you pretend it was just a mistake. Well you can't fool me. Fucking sunflower saying nigger.
I bought nice headphones 8 years ago. They're still nice. I don't need to upgrade every other year.
>>106901848>It's basically impossible to have flat bass with just the speakersPossible with active bass traps. Simplest version:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bass_array
>>106902034>Simplest version:>4 subwoofers
>>106901433>only works properly if your head is clamped in position like in A Clockwork Orange.Holy autismSound changing as you move your head around is exactly one of the reasons the psychoacoustics of speakers make music sound much more natural. Humans didn't evolve listening to sounds coming from ear dildos mere centimeters from the eardrum. You have a pinna for a reason.
>spend 1200+ on set up>decent bluetooth sound no different
>>106902044In theory the minimum is 2. More realistically you need at least 8 (2x2 grid on each end).
>>106902054Yes, that's why I suggest room treatment (correct balance of absorption + diffuse reflection) rather than trying to fake it in software. The EQ only corrects the sound at one specific location (and can't even correct everything). Digital room correction is only useful for converting an already good room into a great one.
>>106899940People are more interested in microwaving their brains these days.
>>106900757>turd world poorfag cope
Senny HuhDuh 560s is literally the end of the game, anything "above" it is audiofool transexualism.
>>106902346They're fine but HD 490 Pro is more comfortable, especially if you have larger ears (my ears touch the inside of a HD 560S).Comfort is more important than sound quality when it comes to headphones.I don't see me ever upgrading unless they somehow manage to reduce the weight by 50% or so to increase comfort even further, but I think that would require carbon fiber or other advanced materials.
>>106902907Those are pretty expensive, maybe of they weren't made of plastic I'd feel more comfortable with paying that price for them
>>106900141you'll need more sliders once those plastic ones break.
>>106904224https://www.printables.com/model/499953-stronger-beyerdynamic-headband-sliderA couple cents worth of plastic and 2 pairs of M3x10 screws and nuts are all it takes to remedy that problem, worry about the voice coil wires randomly breaking instead.
>>106899940The multiple ai generals killed this board. 4chins really needs an ai board.
>>106899940Just buy Airpods bro.
>>106900141i had them, now i have some fancy planars, there is no comparison to be made the planars are simply better.
>>106904224I can, and have, printed off sets for myself and friends. It shouldn't be a problem, but it's a non-issue. Still recommend them to friends, I just let them know that it'll happen.>>106904299cool, cost difference?
>>106904299>listens to fart porn using pricey headphones
>>106900141these are actually not that good>>106904224ive owned these for 5 years now and theyre still ok>>106900539if you have tight fitting ones maybe youll get traction alopecia but for most people its fine. if you are balding its because of your genetics>>106900757>increases your earwax production by 500000%
>>106904335> cost differenceat least 1k, possibly many.worth it though imo.>>106904357i don't watch or listen to porn.anyway, imo it's gonna be a worthy investment if you use it a lot.i wear my headphones 5 to 10h a day, i'm buying headphones like once in a decade.2 to 5k isn't that much for that amount of use and how much i make.
>>106900539that's false, only cause for baldness is predisposition to baldness.i have denser hair than my girl.
I got 660s2s recently and i like them. Use them through my surround receiver. Sound great. Also got a hip dac 3
>>106902346Nah those are bloat. PortaPros are good enough for 98% of content, and most of the rest needs actual bass the 560S can't handle.
>>106900757IEMs are smelly and dirty
>>106904437>these are actually not that goodthey're good enough
>>106899940>why did /hpg/ dieBecause IEMs are more popular and the retards using them decided IEMs need a separate thread
>>106905158IEMs are only good if you're splitting a one room apartment with 5 other guys, which is now most of /g/
>>106904814i use the bluetooth ones for when im exercising or out shopping and i have zero complaints about them. theyre super comfy and sound fine enough. sound isolation is nonexistent, but thats expected for an overear.
>>106905324They're also nice for use at work if you have hair to conceal them
>>106899940Fox headphones solved headphones and then fox IEM obsoleted fox headphones.
>>106899940I've been asking for a new /hpg/ thread in the stupid questions thread for WEEKS now. But also am too lazy to make a new one. But I'd be active there DAILY. >>106899950These are utter garbage as is 99% of all the headphones Sennheiser has ever made.>>106900124Not even worth $50. Would rather use KSC75 than that.>>106900141Unbearable treble rape and bloated midbass with shitty subbass extension. Horrible tonality.
>>106901699I want to agree with you on principle but many things you said are steering into the being wrong territory. But I do agree that the normiecattle mostly cares about bass.
>>106901817Not just for long sessions, but for sound quality.
>>106901848That's why I got speakers with dual side firing 8" subs per speaker, so 4 side firing subs in total. Only goes down to 43hz, but very pleasantly.
>>106906215>That's why I got speakers with dual side firing 8" subs per speaker, so 4 side firing subs in total.To have standing waves because it's all in one place? Subwoofers must be in different spots around the room. Just measure and you'll see what we're talking about.
>>106901954>Headphones bro. That's the best listening experience, hands down.No, but also yes. Top tier speakers in a room with perfect acoustics are the best way to listen to 90% of all the music ever made if you chase accuracy, but high end headphones are a much easier way to achieve said accuracy, or at the very least the way to make sure you're listening to the headphones as they were intended to sound instead of having their sound impacted by the room as it happens with speakers.But inaccurate sounding decent speakers can still be a lot of fun, just accept the bloaty bass and the peaky treble as long as you still get great imaging, stage, separation and detail.
>>106906369The problems that speakers have in bass translate to the same problems in headphone treble. Headphones can only be "accurate" to about 2kHz. There are problems with bass too especially if you wear glasses or have long hair.
>>106902346Complete garbage as are 90% of all headphones Sennheiser ever made.
headphones are for wankers. it's solved technology, especially since headphone users have read the eq guide and know how to squeeze the most out of their gear. /hpg/ really is just gearwankpeople with multiple pairs only daily drive one, maybe two (an open and closed back) and keep the rest stored in a box. they're autistic enough to set eq for every song and have a hardware eq/tone control that has every knob setting saved in a spreadsheet.
Can someone redpill me on Meze? I am looking to buy 99 classic, are they worth the money ?
>>106906485'Solved' by what esl
>/hpg/>everyone threw a temper tantrum when you try to talk about Bluetooth headphonesyes I have studio monitors at home, but unless you're unemployed you're gonna be doing most of your listening on the go
>>106906730Wage slave problems, better get that booster so you don't lose your McJob
>>106904903saar climate too humid in my country
>>106899940IEMs obsoleted headphones.
>>106899940Too much competition on /g/.If you don't have an advertising contract with the resident shills, your thread will always get buried behind their ads.
>>106906920Not in comfort or convenience. Headphones take about 1 second to put on or remove and don't block your ears with earwax.
>>106906946>random cope noises
>>106904250Funnily enough the latest ones are complete garbo. Worse than the ones that came out 3y ago.
>>106904335>cool, cost difference?Planars better than those crappy Beyers will cost you $60 or so. Hifiman 400SE.
>>106899940STAXfag wonIt turns out you can kill a thread when you have a shit camera and more money than sense
>>106906427Which problems? I don't hear any problems in the treble, only if it's too elevated so it causes pain. Or too recessed so it causes boredom death like Sennheiser.
>>106906485I only agree in that it's solved technology. Solved about 40y ago.However, I am anti EQ. If a headphone needs EQ to sound good to me I return it or sell it (and I classify it as a bad headphone).I have 4 pairs in constant rotation for daily, about once per month. I also pick one or the other depending on mood and genre. For other purposes (gaming, closed back etc) I have 12 in total.
At this point when this thread dies I'm gonna make a new /hpg/ thread every time cause no one else is making it.
>>106907594you'll do it for 3, maybe 4 threads tops before posting on iemg again
>>106907624I have never posted on iemg because I haven't owned a single IEM for years now. Actually since I started getting serious about hifi.
>>106907511All headphones need EQ to sound "good"
>>106899940because all the /hpg/ posters ran out welfare benefits
>>106908585Incorrect. You've been brainwashed by the Harman crowd. I buy headphone, try them with this amp or that amp. Sounds amazing. No need to do anything else.I buy headphone, try them with this amp or that amp. Sounds like shit. I get rid of it.It's that simple.
>>106909194Nah you're the kind of retard who refuses to use fast travel in games because it breaks roleplay. Chasing after best sound by default when you can just turn a knob to fix it is pure mental illness.
>>106904224they break? Mine are 12 years old and still fell solid. The only thing that needs changing is the cushion, I suspect the other parts will outlive me.
>>106909361You must have older ones where that isn't the cheapest bit of plastic the world has ever seen. I've recommended them to friends, telling them it'll break, and without fail it has so I print them up some that will last forever.
>>106907511You have mental illness
>>106900539who gives a fuck about hair
>>106900539>woman logicLOL! Fitting for iemtrannies
Are the AKG K371 any good? I heard they are very close to the Harman curve and people like the sound. There were some quality control issues in the first batch, but this is fixed now. Does anyone have them?
>>106900106>shit build qualityThey'll last 20x longer than the chinkfi in the op pic
none of you could pass a blindfold test.
>>106904299>now I have some fancy planarsWhat? Name them you fag
>>106909789NTA, but I got Dan Clark Audio NoireX earlier this year and they blow any of my old dynamic driver headphones out of the water.
>>106909825>closed not even going to look at a review or measurement
>>106909834Feel free, they're the most open sounding closed backs I've heard (excepting the Dan Clark E3, but they're too expensive for me).They also have the NoireXO which are open, but you seem pretty retarded as it is, so I'm sure you'll invent a reason to ignore them too.
>>106900106>>overpriced mediocre headphones with shit build quality that reddit and eceleb grifters constantly shillsennheisers are used all over production u dumbfuck. they are professional tools.
>>106909194Tried 40 headphones at stores/shows, all were bad without EQ, most even with EQ.
>>106906485>it's solved technologySo were iems until the chinks came along.
>>106900106>overpriced>frequently goes for $200 and mogs everything else until the $500+ range
>>106900106Okay man, what are good headphones.
>>106904299Yes 5% better for 600% more money.
>>106910366There are no good headphones.
>>106907511>I am anti EQThis is the way.I'm not going to fix your hardware or fix your mix job.I'll make my own fucking music myself before I ever fuck with EQ.
>>106900068>>106900757>earbuds with a fancy name
>>106910822>tech illiteratewouldn't expect anything less on this board tbqh
>>106910845>noooo these earbuds are different because I paid more
>>106910490HE400SEs are cheaper.
>>106909834I have Aeon RT Open and they're quite good. Not massive soundstage like Sennheiser, but it's a good compromise for modern surround recordings.
>>106910800The headphones sound wrong to you because your head and shoulders are shaped wrong for them.
>>106905993>Unbearable treble rape and bloated midbass with shitty subbass extension. Horrible tonality.skill issue
>>106909789chinkfiman arya organicalso got some Audeze LCD-5both beats the DT's.also arya organic was at like 1.5k when i bought it, i think you can get them for 800 now, they are not as good as the LCD imo but amazing value if you win the QC lottery.
>>106900539Realized it too late. Now I'll kms.
/hpg/ died because unless you want to give thousands to dan clark theres really nothing new that come out thats an improvement over the old stuff so it just became gear wank wars. /iemg/ lives due to chinks racing to the bottom so fast that it became a poorfag general monkey shitposting pit with new cheap shit released every other week to fuel it. Nature of the technology really, headphones have a lot of factors involved that get in the way of a good frequency response while iems are just a tube so any FR can be shitted out with minimal dev time and cost. The non-enthusiasts consumption of headphones and iems are flipped compared to enthusiast so getting fresh discussion to revitalize both these generals is impossible.To add to the bass faggotry, speakers will always dwarf headphones/iems in the bass department because of the drivers inability to produce frequencies that the body can feel. Every other part of this discussion is meaningless. Consumers are retarded for wanting excessive bass in headphones but I understand the reasoning.
DCA Noire XO/Element IV is end game and I need nothing more.
Any recommendation for something like this but cheaper? Preferably 100 dollars or less if possible. I don't know much about sound tech, just want a basic amp/dac but don't want usb and I need it to have a remote because I don't sit at my desk.
>>106913444That's already about as cheap as things get for what you want, Topping is a chinese company and tend to be the cheapest option worth buying.
>>106913469Damn, guess I'll just wait and hope for a sale sometime.
>>106913475I've had the EX5 for several years and it has been great, so it's well worth the $ if you really want those features.Being able to switch between my speakers and my headphones with a remote is fantastic.
Headphone collection: HD 700 (the best sennpos don't @ me) ESP-950 HE-R9 T50RP SR-Lambda NB SR-Lambda Signature SR-007 HD 280 Pro sold everything else
Connected to tubes and R2R the way God our Lord intended
>>106913664>T50RPMods?
>>106913697I made it fully closed back, it needs more work
>>106913745Acoustic foam and polyfill are your friends. Also consider swapping on Dan Clark's Open Alpha baffles, they make pad changes easier.
So... What are the best headphones to listen to footsteps and positional audio in general? Does iems have good positional audio too?
For me? It’s Stax
>>106901176At least he made a rule that his children are not allowed to wear headphones. He learned the lesson the hard way, but at least he learned.
>>106914003Also to add on to this post:Most people don't sit there for 12-16 hours per day with tight headphones. But still...
Decent closed back phones for $300 or below? I mostly have owned open back.I currently have the meme headphones HD600 and I really like them but I don't like my neighbour who is the kind of guy who thinks moving furniture around at 1 AM is fun so I use my closed back wireless travel headphones whenever I want less background noise but obviously they sound pretty meh for music.
>>106914342FiiO FT1
>>106914365These do seem nice and they are cheap. Thanks for the suggestion.
>>106905993>>106906460why'd you change the percentage
>>106914342sony mdr m1
What's with all these people posting headphones where the back look like speakers themselves? Does this mean other people can hear your shit too?Excuse my headphone ignorance. I just have never encountered this type irl. I've seen many with full closed backs though.
>>106902054Im sure your neighbors enjoy hearing the trash you listen to. Also i dont want to hear music originating from the bottom corner of my desk, i want to hear the music clearly whether im leaning back or turning my head to look around my room.You can cope and seethe about your speakers all you want, they are objectively worse than even a 100 dollar headset made in the 1990s.
>>106915417Open vs closed drivers, same idea as a ported vs sealed subwoofer. Sealed are easier to get good midrange and high freq bass, while open are easier to get deeper bass frequencies. It basically shifts the efficiency curve up or down the frequency range - similar to how a camshaft changes the efficiency curve of an engine up or down the rpm range.
>>106915417Yeah open drivers have more 'leakage' meaning they leak your audio to the outside when compared to closed headphones. They also provide less noise rejection, meaning they allow more of the outside noise in to your ears.
>>106913444nobsound q4
>>106899940not really.getting your sound system to sound as good as planar headphones do is an upwards battle.headphones are fucking annoying though.
>>106909273There is nothing to fix if the headphone is good. If you have to fix a headphone you just bought, then it isn't good. Either accept you get what you pay for or spend more.>>106909543Go ahead and explain how. I'm just a passionate audiophile that has the whole game figured out already. Haven't bought anything new in a long while since I reached endgame. Always willing to try new things for fun though.>>106909754>Are the AKG K371 any good? I heard they are very close to the Harman curveNo they're not good and you just explained why. Plus, closed back, so bad by default.>>106909781You're dumb.
>>106909951>they're the most open sounding closed backs I've heardYou clearly haven't heard Sony MDR-CD3000 from 1991.>>106909961>they are professional toolslmao. Kek even.>>106909995Sounds like you still don't know what your preferred target curve is. Don't go in a hifi store expecting all headphones to be V-shaped or viceversa.>>106910160>mogs everything else until the $500+ rangeNo, just $20 on a pair of KSC75 does the trick.>>106913664>SR-Lambda NB SR-Lambda SignatureFinally someone with good fucking taste for headphones. Endgame achieved.
My beyerdynamic 990pro just died so looking for replacement. The cheaper the better, I mainly game and sometimes listen to podcasts / music. I was thinking of sennheiser 560s can get them for 1000kr danish but was thinking maybe i can get away with getting something cheaper? I got a dac (fiio something).
>>106916531Koss KSC75.
>>106916802These? they look like shit. (Not that it matters but still)Also, i have a modmic idk if they can fit on those bad boys?
>>106916814Yes, those. Most of the best sounding headphones look like shit. They're tuned very similarly to hifi headphones in the $100 range though, so they're pretty good. Only issues are bad bass extension and low detail (but this is good for badly mastered music). Great for gaming too, big stage.
>>106917185Cheers. I found the Koss KPH40X (Drop version), so i dont have to do any modding for a headstrap to fit the mic on them. Thoughts? Ca $50 with shipping, less than half of the hd560s
>>106915612>Open vs closed drivers, same idea as a ported vs sealed subwooferIt's more like infinite baffle vs sealed.
>>106917192Same anon here. Try to get the KPH30i instead, it also has a mic. Slightly better than 40X and similar price. Completely recommended. For the price I'd take them over HD560s no doubt.
>>106915417>Does this mean other people can hear your shit too?Yes. It also means they provide almost zero isolation from outside noise.>I just have never encountered this type irl.Because of the above, people only use them at home.
What wireless headphones should I get for my grandma to watch tv?I guess comfort is the main criteria
>>106913475Try Fiio or nobsound. I don't think I've ever seen Topping do sales. Maybe on massdrop.'hifi' these days really means high dynamic range, which is a very niche thing. Audio for basic music listening purposes is solved and not expensive.
>need new headphones>friend has koss porta pro and recommends them to methey any good /g/? I only have experience with over-ear closed headphones
>>106918692I dislike them, but I dislike all on-ear phones.
Found my old KSC75s the other day (modded like pic related) Man I forgot how good these little fuckers are
>>106917515I already have the modmic. Will get the KPH40X and then later try the KSC75s, if i feel the need to. (apparently easy to swap between them and KPH40X).
>>106918506How's it a "very niche thing" when dynamic range is literally the life of music and that's why music has sounded so shit for the last 30 years? (loudness wars)
>>106918692They have too much midbass bloat with little extension (making the lack of deep bass even more apparent) and recessed treble making them sound very warm.>>106918846Yes now THOSE are good. I use them with my best amp.
>>106906893>if you live in a place with nice weather you’re a jeet Coldie cope. Have fun shoveling snow.
>>106899940Hd600/6xx till the end. Simple as.
>>106918846>>106919107I'm not handy enough to mod them and from a quick look, eu has issues getting the mods with reasonable price anyways. Headband is a must by default.
>>106919093Welcome to current year grandpa. You only need 70dB of dynamic range for music from any era, and the $10 Apple brand DAC at Walmart has 99dB actual. New high end DACs are targeting 110dB+. That's only relevant to movies and maybe bootleg recordings where you're trying to pick up random bangs & thwacks.
>>106919311https://www.printables.com/model/1405862-capra-micro-headband-v1Here's a scratchbuilt headband mod, and the same guy also has 3D printable files for MMCX or 3.5mm detachable cables.
>>106915759Is this the one you were talking about? It looks perfect and a quarter of the price of the other one. Thanks a bunch for the recommendation.
>>106899940They're just not comfortable. Nobody wants shit on their body. It's amazing we even wear clothes at all... This is ultimately why everything like VR headsets, 3D glasses back in the day, etc, fail. Or why many old people cbf to wear the hearing aid they obviously need.
Anyone here have experience with wrap-around headphones to avoid traction alopecia?
>>106919847something like these
got a pair of sennheiser hd 280 pro's at the thrift store for $6CADamazon price is $129maybe i should resell for profit?
HD600 + Apple Dongle is endgame, headphones are a solved hobby
>>106920114no balls
>>106920114obsoleted by edc pro with balanced cable
>>106904814>>106905328What other headphones are comparable to Porta Pro sound?I usually listen to music quite quietly and I like that they have really dry bass accentuation that I haven't found in any other headphones yet. Other headphones that are either advertised to have bass boost or "are known for it" usually have muddy bass. I need headphones that have a light natural bass boost for really low volume listening.
Which ones to buy
>>106918692>kossThey'll sound pretty good, and you'll only need to replace them every 10-14 months or so when the cheap plastic breaks.
>>106919628Out of curiosity how would you say it compares to that topping one I posted before? Is it at least half as good? How much would I be losing out on by getting the cheaper option?
>>106899940Headphones are solved. /iemg/ survives by conning retards into buying a new $20 shitpile every week, headphones are much more expensive and no one can afford buying a new $200 set of cans every week, so you just buy your Aeons once and never worry about headphones again.
>>106920953XM6
>>106921415Let me guess they cost 5 trillion dollars don't they.
They're a solved technology. Most people just bought whatever sounds good to them and since headphones that are well made, last, there's no need for them to visit those threads. /iemg/ is always up because iemfags need to constantly consoom new IEMs even though the best measuring ones are like $20 and due to the form factor, will die faster than headphones(humidity damage, clogged filters etc). And I say this as someone that owns multiple IEMs.>>106920953These are all shit. Momentum 4 are the least shit out of these. Edifier S5/Audeze Maxwell/Focal Bathys are all better than any of them.>>106915417Like other people already said, these are open back. No physical wall after the driver meaning less distortion because of less reflection and the natural sound leakage acts as crossfeed which gives a more spacious audio illusion. Meant to be used at home so you won't see those outside.>>106920114>HD600Obsoleted by any decent planar like DCA. Unless you're not a retard and use EQ, in which case, fair. You can fix the bass problems those have with EQ but you'll still reach bass distortion so if you want truly distortionless sound across the board the real redpill is to just buy whatever low distortion planar you want and EQ.>>106921415Trvke. Those are the best <$1000 headphones and basically distortionless with a FR curve that's easy to EQ. Just buy those and don't bother with headphones for the next 15 years or so. >>106921485NTA but those are $500, unless it's the drop model in which case it's about ~$430
>>106899940I'm guessing zoomers just use bluetooth earbuds or something all the time.On a side note, my old bluetooth Sennheiser is probably going to reach the end of it's lifespan soon. Any good alternatives that sound as nice as and feel as good as the old 4.50?
>>106921485>>106921520Drop version is $399.
>>106921555Oh damn, you're right. I didn't know they lowered the price even more. Those were $420 back when I bought them. Unbeatable for that much.
>>106900019
>>106899990>STAX fags>Byerdynamic fags>Muddheiser fags>DCA chads>Audesze chads>Chinkfiman fags>IEM fags who can't stay in their own general and derail /hpg/ threads by pretending you can EQ any $20 headphones to sound like any $5000+ headphones.etc
>>106914342$53 free tax/shipping https://store.hifiman.com/index.php/he-r9-refurbished.html
>>106921967all me btw >>106913664 >>106913673
>>106921967Don't forget that one DIY autist (me)
all this shit is cheap enough that you don't really need 2 generals. I dropped like $500 not including the esp-950 and sr-007 mk1
If I already have dt 990 pros, would it be worth grabbing 900 pro x? Should I wait and get 1990 pro?
>>106922371based
>>106901176I wonder how many people don't realize that this is a blatant edit.
>>106922871You mean he isn't missing a chunk of his brain?I for one am shocked
>>106922871>>106922897The dent is significant enough that the edit doesn't even need to exist.Luckily they don't make headphones for babies, or the soft skull his infant(s?) would suffer the same fate.
>>106922871It may be an edit but the issue is real.
>>106924090It dents the skin, which will go away after a while, but a comfort strap or even just a spring steel headband that's bend to conform to your head will basically eliminate the issue as it spreads out the pressure much more.
>>106907511I'm only replying to you because you're apparently genuine but you are as the other guy said mentally ill and should be instantly discredited by anyone who can handle two variables in their head at once
>>106922494Try a HE400se before wasting money on another dynamic.
>>106922279>Chinkfiman dynamicJesus Christ, how horrifying.
>Mogs your 300 dollar headphones.
Looking for headphones that are good for gaming (possibly movies) but won't sound like shit and that I can drive with a DAC dongle at most
>>106919628>>106921347i don't have the topping so i dont really know, but it's actually powerful enough to run an LCD-2C to listenable levels. plus the bass and treble co trol actually is a nice addition.i mainly use mine as a DAC preamp for the darkvoice nowadays though. i've had mine for a few years, always plugged in and powered on, it hasnt skipped a beat, so that's why i rec it. other than it not having a recognizable brand name behind it and getting made fun of by reddit and head-fi, if it fulfills the purpose you need out of it, then who cares.
>>106925520Depends on your budget but Aune AR5000 and Verum One are both high sensitivity meaning they'd run off of anything and are both decently tuned. If you can't spend too much then >>106924804 is right(kind of). Those with yaxi pads mog anything <$100.
>>106899940AI has replaced headphones. Why would I listen to music when I can just ask AI? People who still listen to music are already behind on productivity. AI is the future.
>>106925520Sennheiser GAME
>>106925569>but it's actually powerful enough to run an LCD-2C to listenable levelsit's really not.it'll make noise, but I can basically guarantee it doesn't have the current output to properly drive planar drivers.The Nobsound Q4 outputs just 110mW at 32Ohms.The DX3 Pro+ outputs 1800mW at 32Ohms.For the LCD-2C specifically they're 70ohm and people say they neeed ~250mW to properly drive, the Nobsound Q4 would only be giving you ~50mW, the DX3 Pro+ would offer you over 800mW.
>>106925621works on my machine. but go shill your shit, i dont care. not my money.
>>106925621That is true. Audeze's site lists the minimum power at 100mW and the recommended power at 250 meaning the power it outputs would be around half of the minimum.
>>106925649That just means you don't know what you're missing because you're not driving them properly.I'm glad you've wasted your money though, it's like seeing someone with a 240hz OLED screen and seeing that they've got it set to 60hz in the windows display settings.
>>106924804>>106925577>>106916814love my koss clip ons.
>>106924453I'll check them out, any others worth taking a look at?
>>106925621Honestly that should be fine. 70ohms isn't low enough to trip up common amps. Might distort a little at the extreme high end, but the only practical scenario for that is movie explosions, so idek if distortion matters that much.Drop it down to 15ohms at high power and some amps will go into protection mode or otherwise act weird.
>>106925929NTA, but my headphones are 13 ohms and require ~340mW of power and ~160mA of current to output ~110dB.
>>106910967the technology is different retard. iems are cheaper than airpods so you are the faggot here.
>>106925520earpods
>>106925929>Honestly that should be fine. 70ohms isn't low enough to trip up common ampsThe problem is 50mW for headphones that want 100-250mW is simply too little power.Sure, it can drive them loud enough to be uncomfortable, but it doesn't have the power to drive the planar magnetic drivers to provide thumpy bass or similar dynamic peaks in music (drum kicks, thumping bass, etc).Basically it sounds like shit even if it can get loud.
u12t mogs every headphone btw
>>106899940I used to be big into headphones when I was in highschool because I played online games but these days its very unlikely i'll ever choose my headphones over my speakers. Headphones are for when I want to listen to music without disturbing those around me but i'm in my own house so i use speakers because its more comfy.
>>106926381crazy that this is true because every other iem in existence mogs the u12t
>>106926140>headphones that want 100-250mWThey don't though. If you run the numbers they only want about 8mW at 110dB. Of course they're Audeze so you need to add 15dB to that for EQ, and that puts you at their 250mW target. This is still at 110dB perceived volume, which is movie peak loud. For music purposes 50mW is more than enough.
>>106926538Wrong. u12t mogs every IEM too.
just got amazonbasics wireless one finally free from the trangly wires huh it's has anc so thats kinda cool to muffle the outside noises though the audio does sound a bit weird when it's on
>>106900757apparently you can't go to bed with earplugs in your ears because of a risk of puncturing the eardrum but you can with headphones
Thoughts on mdr-mv1? They look nice.
>>106926140No such thing as headphones "wanting" power. There is sensitivity and impedance. When you listen at the same volume from a 1mW amp and a 1W amp the sound is the same.>but clipping Power rating is given before clipping.
>>106926606Unsalvageable BA pos.
>>106926140>>106926559When audiophiles say headphones don't have bass with weak amps what they mean is they are destroying their ears with unsafe volume to boost bass through equal loudness contours. With EQ you'll be using less overall power despite the EQ headroom simply because bass won't be fighting against the entire spectrum to be audible anymore.
>>106926448your neighbours can hear you
>>106927264Good. Maybe they'll get some taste.
>>106926013>ranting about airpods out of nowhereWe're talking about earbuds with a 'nooo I'm fancy and not poor and shit at all' rebrand here.
>>106927450IEMs have eartips, earbuds don't. Basically you're fucking stupid.
>>106900106kek
>>106900141they're comfortable. sound quality is mid, though.
>>106905993you described perfectly my experience with the dt990 headphones. based audiophile. may I ask what headphones do you use, anon?
anyone know if if it's possible to make these ath-Audio-Technica m40x headphones feel more comfortable? they press in at the top of your head in this weird way that makes your head feel like its in a vice.
>>106928744Throw it and get a $20 iem, its better.
>>106928744The headband is just metal on the inside, bend it to suit the shape of your head.
>>106928721Dan Clark Audio NoireX
any reccs for a comfy closed back pair that I can use for 8 hours? I need something to drown out an obese sheboon at work. I use m50x at home but they're pretty bad without the custom pads and I'm using Jabra elite 85t currently but the battery doesn't last and I don't think IEMs can stay comfy for that long.
My upgrade path was ATH-M50x>HD600 (still own)>Edition XSThe Hifimans sound great but I prefer using my speakers 99% of the time these days.
>>106927251I'm concerned with worst case power causing distortion not what Klaus Schwab thinks.
>>106929207If only there were some way to see at what power the amp starts distorting.......
everything there was to be said was already saidtheres no specific opinion that the average users of /g/ had that any other headphone community doesnt also haveand it basically just turned into>hey, anyone tried the BingBong DSBB88's from animeheadphones.com, theyre on sale for $229.99?>nah, the (more like) bingbomb's are bad, you should try the Auzood Jam 7 Pro's for $239.99>no other detail providedhd600's if youre a weirdo who sits down to critically listen to things770 pros if youre a regular human being990 pros if you dont like bassadd a 1 to the number if you have more moneygo to iemg if you have less moneysimple as that
>>106925520Fiio FT1
headphones are the biggest waste of time grift. nobody would pass an A/B test with 50 dollar headphone vs 500its jsut dumbass consumerism just like mech keyboards
>>106929370You can pass an A/B with two different units of the same headphone or the same headphone in different positions on your head. What you meant to say is $500 won't be better than $50. But it 100% will be different.
>>106929370>nobody would pass an A/B test with 50 dollar headphone vs 500You're thinking of DACsIt is quite trivial to hear differences between headphones
>>106929370You're thinking about DACs (or maybe amps).Actual headphones are trivially easy to differentiate between units.
>>106899950They have no bass and if you EQ it in they distort
>>106929397yeah point being no one could tell which is the more expensive pair
>>106899940Anyone with DCA noire x(o) could tell me if the earcups really are small? Or is it a non problem
>>106899940Because there isnt anything to talk about.BeyerDynamic DT770 with a wireless modmic(Antlion)End of story.
>>106929516They're medium/large.They're not massive so if you have huge ears they will touch the inside of the earcups.They're not tiny though, average ears should have no real problem with the earcup clearance.
>put headphones on>tinnitus intensifies
>>106929555thx
>>106929799The trick is to just use open backs so there's no pressure put on your eardrums.
>>106929799You can do TMDJ exercises, but it won't fix the problem.Similarly you can do Turkish orophagial exercises, but that also won't fix the problem.Why?Because your skull is fused, and the area around your ears are too compressed. Fixing the muscles will only make it more even, not better.
>>106927455They are literally the same fucking thing. Coke/Pepsi and RC Cola are just expensive vs cheap versions of the same product, but you don't see anyone claiming coke and pepsi aren't cola just because they're more expensive.>muh food analogyNeed something (You) can comprehend.
>>106931713You were literally told the difference and you still don't get it.
>>106931766There is no difference.>b-but this part sticks out f-furtherDoes that make the $5 EARBUDS I bought at a gas station 10 years ago "IEMs" because they used a rubber tip to fit in the ear canal?
>>106931880>Does that make the $5 EARBUDS I bought at a gas station 10 years ago "IEMs" because they used a rubber tip to fit in the ear canal?Yes.
So what are the /g/ approved headphone amps? Under 100 burger bucks preferably
>>106932113JDS Atom
>>106932113Apple dongle is all you need.
>>106932113apple donglejds atomjds element iv
>>106932113This remains the cheapest option with good stats.
>>106932216>>106932364>>106932474Are you guys memeing? I cant really tell...
>>106932824I didn't even realize, and I didnt specify, but my use case is the computer's headphone Jack. My computer has no usbc port
>>106932824For pure DAC capability the apple dongle is decent.If your headphones actually need to be amped to any great extent, it wont suffice.That's where things like the JDS Atom/Element, or Schitt Magni/Modi come into play.
>>106932834Most people suggest buying an amp/DAC combo, as your computer built-in DAC is mediocre at best generally.
>>106899940Picrel (Arya Stealth) is the best audio purchase I have ever made. I love my Arya Stealth headphones. >>106900757I am already balding and have a small dent, so I don't care at this point.
