Welcome to the 4Chan /g usenet group Thread!>What is /usenet/?Open standard protocols still exist and are what the internet was built on(http, irc, rss, ftp, etc). TNot owned by corpos, not undergovt control, and are accessible to anyone with an internet connection.They simply exist to be built upon and enjoyedby all.Some, like FTP are outdated and insecure. Others, like rss, irc, http,usenet are still glorious and wonderful open standards . Join us and discuss such topics on one such protocol:NNTP, aka usenet.>WTF IS USENETLiterally it means the Users Network. It’s an openprotocol for posting and reading messages, organized by newsgroups. It's entirely decentralized, no single server, mpossible to take down.Today it is split between, binaries and text. Thebinaries part is what it’s known for today: piracy. The text part is forgotten and abandoned, until now.>WHY POST ON USENETIts open protocol, you can use any client you want orbuild you own. No costs, no subscriptions, no money. You can sign up through your ISP, or through eternal-september.org. Then you just need to install a client.>THIS IS OLDER THAN MY DAD. WHY TF WOULD I DO THIS?Because its is comfy.Because it’s decentralized. Because instead of feeding some corpo aibullshit like discord or whatever, you can have a conversation with likeminded anons in an uncensored, decentralized, and fun hackerman way.>DO I HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING? No, you can use the aforementioned eternal-september.org with any client of your choice, or use the service of newsgrouper.org to access freely online (register to post)>OK I’M IN - WHERE DO I POST! Join us at alt.cyberpunk.techWHAT CLIENT SHOULD I USE?>Pan (gnome newsreader - Multiplat)>Seamonkey>Gnus for GNU Emacs>Mozilla Thunderbird>want to take a peek?Online Based service @ newsgrouper.org is free and allows to post when registered. Also it can be used in any browser, even on android!
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>>106900632so what are some /g/ approved clients?
These threads are based
>>106901798SeamonkeyBetterbird (better than Thunderbird)
>>106900632Might want to have a weekly FAQ posting. Also would be nice with a FTP server. I have several GB of stuff to contribute, as I did with the previius FTP servers we had.
>>106901965>only hearing about a better version of thunderbird nowmy mistake not browsing this board enough.
PSA bump: it's simple and easy to filter spammer articles from any groups you're viewing, pretty ample potential for rejuvenating any number of ghost-town groups with normal conversation.Can't help suspecting there's going to be much the same kinds of shilly and botty-posting *eventually*, but relative permanency and the bar for entry will mean less &c regardless.Good feel and relative permanency anyhow, necroposting feels like a standard so far
>>106900632Is this another cult of castration pretending to be 4chan/anonymous pushing the WEF ideology?
>>106901798on old windows the easiest is Outlook Express since it has built-in newsgroup support
>>106902100
>>106902195Welcome to the internet.
>>106900632doesnt this only exist for people to share illegal porn and shitwhy would I use it
>>106902259you can't share porn over text
>>106902266lmao you can share onion links and shit though
>>106902215Hope you're having an OK day there, sir or ma'am. I've got no inclination for deciphering your preferred reference key/buzz-words in >>106902100>>106902259>>106902271Pretty easy to filter those, too: if you can't trust yourself to not do illegal things, you've got bigger problems in life.
>>106902271no difference there from anywhere else
>>106902300None of those are very insider or 4chan specific, should be decipherable if you think about it anon. I could imagine the background for suspicion is hard to deduce, unless you've seen the discord tranny sagas on /r9k/.
>>106902043>>only hearing about a better version of thunderbird nowIts not much better, neither have minimize on close so its useless on tiling WM. There is no way to keep it running in the system tray unless you're a GNOME boomer or KDE retard. E-mail under Linux is pretty shit these days.
>>106902100they want to leave this site with fewer big brain anons so they can come in and take over.
>>106902330Didn't follow the discord side of that but so much, no, otherwise I'm familiar enough with a the background context of social engineering with relatively willing participants: I didn't have to lurk the threads involved to get some sideways exposure.I've practiced specific lack of interest for most internet drama, because it doesn't help anybody live in the world outside of the internet. I live outside of the internet, and I use the internet. If you think it's important that I understand, help me understand in a way that doesn't require me to gain your specific flavor of bias about it (and it's OK to be biased, you've got a right to that as much as anybody).Here, these posts are ephemeral and will disappear gently into external archives. There, posts are maybe slightly less ephemeral, but it's all the same internet.
>>106902405Basically it was discord tranny groups operating on /r9k/, trying to brainwash vulnerable incels into self castration, physical or chemical.
>THIS IS OLDER THAN MY DAD. WHY TF WOULD I DO THIS?>Because its is comfy.Ok i want. If is comfy, to me is same like easy and fun. And i think in one day create a IRC to me, but hasn't much text chats on my country.
>>106902419If you want to sit around worrying about the prospect of seeing some text that at all reminds you of that shit, please feel free. The rest of us who weren't involved in any of that shit can go on with normal lives.
>>106902447I'm not the original reply, OP
>>106902100Pink pill psyop? You did me think about that, because in the discord had a cult on this style.
So I discovered Chivanet does not allow posting. I was wondering why the fuck nobody was replying to me.I decided to switch over to eternal-september and it works fine. As an aside, watch out for using eternal-september in Thunderbird because it refuses to login and you get stuck with just the eternal september groups and not the wider usenet (which you can only access with an account while logged in).Fucking Thunderbird's newsgroup reader has so many problems. Pan seems superior with a tighter experience, though a bit spartan. At least I can FORCE IT TO USE A FUCKING LOGIN CREDENTIAL.
This is a zoomer recruitment thread for zoomies who want to experience nostalgia and cant use 4chan like a normal person.
>>106902452'preciate it, no need to insert yourself though
>>106902465>like a normal personWhat's a normal person? Do they use 4chan?
>>106902482The 4cha is so big, probably has normal persons here.
>>106902465Perhaps. It's a refreshing form of discussion and has an effort filter so dumbasses can't walk in so easier.>cant use 4chan like a normal person.This part I disagree with. 4chan's fine, but seeing actual discussion stagnate because of dead water repeating itself is tiring.
>>106902641Then fuck off?
>>106902463it allows posting, made the post about the UK being blocked in 60 days through it
>>106901798My favorite is XanaNews: https://github.com/graemeg/xananews
>>106900632wow, that was a bad experience.
>>106903538Looks neat, thanks.
>>106901983Thank you but we don't want your child porn.
>>106904690 (Me)Hahaha, just kidding. But seriously, what are you looking to share?
>>106904732The Group is to talk about technology not piracy. We genuinely don't want your child porn and would appreciate pedos getting the rope like they should.
>>106904732>>106904746Its not like there aren't thousands and thousands of torrent and nntp binaries sites available for pirate shit. Source code we have github (gitea install too if we're trying to escape centralisation), images and basically anything else we have catbox.I'm not really sure why we'd need an FTP server, unless someone knows anything different.
>>106905478He >>106901983 just wants to push CP. Which is why he is not welcome in the cool hangout.
>>106905649Proof?
>>106905699Their message. Doesn't matter though, there is no FTP.
>>106901930Not really. It's all kind of embarrassing. It doesn't need to be. But it is. Imagine trying to organize a meeting of retro train enthusiasts in a rowdy bar where everyone gets into fights. The person organizing it is obviously an idiot for trying. The futility of it all is further reflected by the posts made here "hurrr I don't want ur cp fuck off." Shit thread. Shit idea. Shit people. Oldfag cosplay.
If you think about it usenet in it's heyday was something of a "high trust" environment. This is why it failed. Even before the famous incidents, "eternal september" etc it had incidents of spam, trolling, and abuse. Likewise the environment of 4chan is like the bathroom wall of a dive bar. That's about as low trust as you can get. The staff are too lazy to remove things from the wall unless they are truly shocking or terrible. These two versions of internet community are incompatible with each other. You're asking a bunch of retards with no respect for each other to drop their anonymity and share a space with even less moderation than this one. You are framing this as a good idea. Lmao. People cry about censorship etc on the internet all the time but when it comes to the point that all that's left of what was once a community is ruins and nobody wants to go back places like this still remain.
path to .moe?
>>106906034Can not wait to experience the usenet for myself. Sounds good to me.
>>106905948Imagine coming on to a Mongolian Knitting forum and being this upset.
>>106906305What makes you think I'm upset? I'm just amused. It's the most predictable outcome. This is a thread for enthusiasts of a retro communications protocol and you're preparing to go on the offense and engage me in rhetorical combat. This is why this thread is a bad idea. You can't help yourself.
>>106906324>This is why this thread is a bad idea. You can't help yourselfThese Threads are great! The Group is growing every Day and no matter how much coping and seething you do, you just keep bumping the thread.
>>106906351Do you think that acting like a dick on /g/ is going to bring positive or negative attention to what you are doing? I know it's a reflex. But give it some serious thought.
>>>/tg/96765405lel
>>106901798Obviously some terminal client for maximum hackermans feel
>>106902100I believe this is intended to get ahead of the shitfit UK is pulling where they are going to attempt to block 4Chan. A cascade of events involving "internet ID" in the name of "think of the children" is anticipated.It is a supplement to and by no means a replacement of this board. It's not an image board and it's not even the same protocol. Which is the point. Because it is an open protocol it is what you make it. Even if it were populated by galli of Cybele they don't own it. Nobody does. Or everybody does.
>>106907083It's something that should not be underestimated. It'll turn into a push to block free speech and to funnel all conversation in less and less places allowing for an easier control of everything through AI.We already have a web that is 99% concentrated in a single place. There's a push to have the same for chat too.Soon they'll get at telegram, teleguard, signal, the few last forums, irc...And last will be freenet
OP posted outdated file+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Welcome to the 4Chan /g usenet group Thread!+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-================================================================================ >What is /usenet/?================================================================================Open standard protocols still exist and are what the internet was built on(http, irc, rss, ftp, etc). TNot owned by corpos, not under govt control, and are accessible to anyone with an internet connection.They simply exist to be built upon and enjoyed by all.Some, like FTP are outdated and insecure. Others, like rss, irc, http,usenet are still glorious and wonderful open standards. Join us and discuss such topics on one such protocol:NNTP, aka usenet.================================================================================ >WTF IS USENET================================================================================Literally it means the Users Network. It’s an open protocol for posting and reading messages, organized by newsgroups.It's entirely decentralized, no singleserver, mpossible to take down.Today it is split between, binaries and text. The binaries part is what it’swhat's known for today:piracy. The text part is forgotten and abandoned, until now.-- >WHY POST ON USENET --Its open protocol, you can use any client you want or build you own. No costs, no no subscriptions, no money. You can sign up through your ISP,or through eternal-september.org. Then you just need to install a client.-- >THIS IS OLDER THAN MY DAD. WHY TF WOULD I DO THIS? --Because its is comfy.Because it’s decentralized. Because instead of feeding some corpo aibullshit like discord or whatever, you can have a conversation with likeminded anons in an uncensored, decentralized, and fun hackerman way.Continues
>>106907630>DO I HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING? No, you can use eternal-september.org or Solani.org with any client of your choice, or use the service of newsgrouper.org to access freely online,(register to post).================================================================================ >OK I’M IN - WHERE DO I POST!================================================================================ Join us at alt.cyberpunk.techWHAT CLIENT SHOULD I USE?>Pan (gnome newsreader - Multiplat) >Gnus for GNU Emacs >Mozilla>Seamonkey >ThunderbirdWant to take a peek?====================Online Based service @ newsgrouper.org is free and allows to post when registered Also it can be used in any browser, even on android!Extra infos===========>This communication method is efficient and low on resourcesYou can literally use it on a Pentium processor and windows 95...It's pure unadultered technology.>Current UsersAbout 20 (you are welcome to spread the voice and help out!)Ask anything that goes in your mind!Everything just started, feel free to invite friends, and let's create a nice community!
>>106907083I hear your argument, but I am more suspicious that this is just another attempt to control narrative of the WEF dominant cultural zeigeist than anything else.
>>106907900You mean board raids? You could always look and decide for yourself.
>>106907900Sure but you can see some of his points
>>106907900To be honest, it's just usenet. The hurdle to get through already removes 95% of normistan, and the rest of the userbase is made up of people who know how to make a fake email.Hell, half the users of the group have a PGP key, so you can assume that they're more interested in privacy than most indian shitposters on /g/.
>>106908358usenet faded out of use for a reason, reasons. This is just discord lite attempt to control the narrative. You cant trust anything and anyone at the helm that have not shown their backbones and have been timetested
>>106908415>You cant trust anything and anyone at the helm that have not shown their backbones and have been timetestedI agree with you, and I would say that this is why usenet is different from Discord.Usenet is still here. It's just an open protocol. Discord is a private data collection company.Both are comparable, but that's like comparing the sun to the moon. Entirely different ballparks.At the end of the day, whether you decide to chill with the group or not is your prerogative. I simply see no harm in it. If you think that there's something nefarious going on behind the scenes... I would normally call you schizo, but considering all the things we know, I would instead ask you to point me to where nothing nefarious is going on, because am seriously getting tired of the new internet.
>>106905478an ftp server we can just drop shit in would be cool if not for the risk of illegal shit
>>106908302you can really see the age with "alt.i-hate.the-riaa" lol
>You can sign up through your ISP, or through eternal-september.org.Does this imply my ISP would run a usenet server? Which ISP's do this? Should I email my ISP and ask if I can't find anything about it?
>>106908358>The hurdle to get through already removes 95% of normistanthis>>106908415>You cant trust anything and anyone at the helm that have not shown their backbones and have been timetestedwhich is exactly the point of using a federated network. it reduces people being at the helm and removes the need for trust. if you think a usenet group is like anything like a discord guild then it is time to go read about how usenet groups work. >jannies>admin>hosting provider>ISP>governmentthis is who you are currently trusting to not control the narrative. you are far more trusting than people who opt for posting on federated networks.for someone who comes off as being so cynical and leery you are putting a lot of faith in this protocol and website.>>106909127https://youtu.be/gv3GihnduUw
>>106909364Yeah some internet providers allowed Usenet access and provided a way to sign in and post.Eternal September, Solana (sp?) offer free access, read and post.You may also check newsgrouper to read right away and check the b place. Registering in any of the three will allow you to post too
We're gonna do an IRC Channel next!
>>106904690While the folder has a rather unfortunate name (I just didn't think of such things) it is the /cyb/ library with mostly tech stuff, no pr0n at all.>>106904732Tech stuff, for /cyb/ and also /ham/ tech. The /ham/ FAQ originated in the /cyb/ general.>>106905649>just wants to push CPYou seem a bit posessed about this, when I have no such thing.
>>106910422It's not CP. Folder called CP. You can't make this shit up!Seriously though, make a /t/orrent out of it
>>106910473>make a /t/orrent out of itI live in a place where all torrents are monitored so that is a no go.
>>106910545All torrents are always monitored that's why use a VPN. I'm seeding TBs from Germany
>>106910422should probably rename that lmao
>>106901798i only use usenet for binaries so sabnzbd
>>106901983you know that usenet can be used to share binaries right? you don't need a FTP server. Upload to a binaries newsgroup using a yEnc client and create a .nzb to share.
>>106910898But only binary servers allow this and our group is not in the binary hierarchy. Besides torrents are a better solution.
>>106909077I love the chans but we all know the flaws and as soon as anyone opens an anonymous FTP server its going to be filled with loli and gore within minutes, either by someone doing it for lulz or by some entity maliciously trying to stop what we are doing.I mean, i'm not stopping anyone from trying, just don't think we a) need it or b) its worth the risk.
>>106911014>torrents are a better solution.why tf is that? usenet is faster and doesn't rely on shitty seeders.also it's encrypted e2e so nobody can snoop your seed pool or tracker.>not in the binary hierarchySo? If you're accessing a server that has access to the binaries, then wtf is the issue?
>>106911088>why tf is that? usenet is faster and doesn't rely on shitty seeders.Paying for Piracy is just sad. And you sure sound like someone whos never been in a private tracker. Almost all of them on my private tracker saturate my connection.
>>106910820Probably. The file collection is old and some files are more than 30 years old. I just prefer short abbreviations and had an insufficiently deranged mind.Anyway, there are many data hoarders out there; I also like to share.
>>106911103>as if private tracker hasn't been snoopedI've been on private trackers. They get removed or shut down or whatever and you're back to begging for an invite code>paying for piracy$9 a year is hardly going to break the bank and the tradeoff is clearly in my favor
>>106911137>I've been on private trackers. They get removed or shut down or whatever and you're back to begging for an invite codeMy General Private Tracker has been around for like 20 Years already. I'm sorry that you had such bad luck but it's not been my experience at all>$9 a year is hardly going to break the bank and the tradeoff is clearly in my favorTo be fair, one still has to pay for VPN&Hardware&Electricity. So for me it's also a sense of community and being a true pirate not just a consoomer. But you do you, in truth it's not that much different.
>>106901983It could be a nice extra but maybe we should make it so Anons can't upload anything directly but only DL.Files to be uploaded should be sent to host that would check on them for safety content.Easy peasy
>>106911203just make a seperate server where things can be freely uploaded and then be moved to another server with uploads disabled after they've been verified to not be spam/viruses/illegal shit
>>106911180Why would I have to pay for VPN? There's a fully encrypted usenet protocol. I don't pay for any extra hardware or electricity. What are you on about?
>>106911220I do not want the job to filter through all the illegal stuff.
>>106911736Did anyone ask you to?
>>106911736that's the big issue, actually finding someone willing to do it
>>106912178Simple, pay an indian. They'll be used to seeing all that heinous shit IRL
We had FTP servers in the past, no issues with dodgy images but tons of books and technical files.
>>106900632google news killed newsgroups for me. not because I used google news, but because they published posts from many usenet subs.fuck google.
why do people say retro when referring to old protocols and software? it would be one thing if it was a rewrite, but it's the same protocol it always was. call it vintage at least.>>106913175>EEE
>>106900632>WHAT CLIENT SHOULD I USE?add alpine to the list of clients>>106913175I meant to say google groups, not google news>>106913285>>EEEyeah
>>106910898do you think it's possible to find lostmedia like old lost j2me games in usenet? or is it a paid circlejerk?
>>106913367>j2meRetention would be the issue. You are better off contacting Retro gaming enthusiast and search the internet archive.
>>106913367the problem there is newsgroups they were posted in likely don't still have the posts up
the only reason to have a FTP is to share warez and books, porn stuff is everywhere nowadays unless its CP shit
Are there other interesting usenet groups?
For those that might be unaware, we are starting to revive other newsgroups as well>>>/tg/96765405
Absolute badassery goin on on the usenet - get in here anons
>>106914924The invation ... is underway!
>>106914924It's amazing what we are managing to start over again
Let's post some Cyberpunk Memes while we are at it.
>>106916830Oh yeah? If am in a cyberpunk dystopia, where aremy shiny toys and augs then?
Nice. I used to be active on sci.math while I was in highschool and college. Unfortunately I checked in a few years after graduating and it had become a wasteland, just spam and one crazy guy talking to himself, then eventually the crazy guy left too.
>>106916882Go to the ukraine front and you can win new arms and legs in the color of your choice.
>>106914161oh I see, it suffers linkrot as the rest of internet
>>106918009storage isn't infinite
if i join will that hack my computer?
>>106918009There's usually up to 20+ years retention of file and posts...
I dunno about the ftp thing, but posting quality content and reading it is S tier
>inviting retards from 4chan to usenetcongrats, you found a good way to destroy whatever it's left in it
>>106919937the place is a fucking ghost town, and the people that shit up here can't pass the barrier to entry
>>106919937Retards are unable to join. Filtered.
>>106918321Yes>>106918593Fact!>>106919937You'd be surprised, the opposite is true! Not only are we revitalizing alt.cyberpunk.tech, we are revitalizing other newsgroups too and the content quality is actually rising.I know it's intuitive but if you look into it you'll find it's true!
>>106919937I can still remember when AOL was let lose on Usenet News, that was the beginning of the end. And I can assure you that the sum total of the intellect of te AOL users will not approach even 1 percent of the average 4ch poster.
>>106918321Not if you're behind seven proxies
>>106900632>Gnus for GNU Emacsfantastic
>all the people in the usenet group posting kino posts about tech and shit>I have no idea what to sayThe eternal lurker strikes again!
>>106923780We are happy to have you with us just reading and you can also just say henlo!
Using another provider, would like some help.>>https://support.newshosting.com/
>>106923780Take your time with it anon. The beauty of usenet is its not timed - the thread wont disappear on you. Write in complete sentences and practice expressing yourself.
>>106924328 You are up for reading and writing, no need to pay. The ones posted are free services
>>106905948You stupid fucking kid
>>106920693trvke
Bumping for reasons.We need to collect more active groups.
>>106928388The ham radio goups under alt.* might be a low hanging fruit. Also see >>>/diy/ham
>>106929339very nice
>>106928388Well, so far it's been only posted in here. I'm sure other chans like LAINCHAN and other small sheltered communities my get interested in joining up and expand the place
>>106931621I hope this will not reach mainstream news, a new influx of AOL grade idiots will be worse than last time.
>>106933284I doubt it there's no shiny blinking app for it so people get bored by it if they are used to tiktok levels of entertainment.I think the opposite is actually happening all of this is self selecting people how prefer higher erffort long form content with minimal flashyness.
>>106933284>be me in high school>setting up a shitty daisychained network in an elementary school library>little kid asks me what ISP I have>tell him I just have aol>little shit goes PFFT. aol is for babies and turns back to his computer monitor
>>106933510pan is pretty shiny and blinky wahoo app, dunno what you're talking about
>>106933980He wasn't wrong.
>>106935307He's talking about the contents. Text. It needs focus and a bit of time. Requires your brain to read, understand and digest.Younguns aren't exactly used to this excersize, and v there's no shiny avatars, silly music and hearts to give around.
